$1350.00 Laserdisc?!?!?!?!?!?!
Bernie Woodham
price/attention?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18847&item=3300520293
&rd=1
Moviezzz
>price/attention?
Yikes!!! Is this what SONG OF THE SOUTH has been going for lately? I might
sell it for that. Although I think I must have the Japanese version. Is that
any more rare?
john...@comcast.net
I dont understand bidders like this. Been a member for almost 2 years
and 1 feedback.
Dave Garrett
movi...@aol.com says...
Nope. It's the other way around - copies of the Japanese LD are
available regularly on eBay, and typically sell for $200-250. Copies of
the Hong Kong LD are very hard to come by, so they sell for a lot more
when one does show up.
Dave
Hugh Candlin
<john...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:u27a0v4vt7l92ocee...@4ax.com...
For completing this payment, apparently
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3300266565
Bernie Woodham
> For completing this payment, apparently
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3300266565
>
Nope. The feedback was for a transaction that happened in July. The
auction you cite just ended.
I checked his recent activity and the auction you cite and the HK LD auction
are the only ones he has bid in lately.
Steve
<Birnh...@insightbb.com> wrote:
To answer the question. The "Hollywood" box set went for $1000 or so
in 1999. The last time it was offered it ended at $250, which is a
pity since I would have paid much more for it, but missed it.
The Vitaphone Shorts 70th fetched $1420 then $1500 when a couple of
libraries were bidding on it at the beginning of this year. lately
it's more like $200 to $400. The Lubitsch box set is $450 and
increasing in value, though one title from the set is coming to DVD.
A couple of Judy Garland MGM musicals (Ziegfeld Girl and Babes in
Arms) fetched over $200 each. I've since won them for less than $50
each.
The Universal 10" Laserdisc preview including naughty footage from
"Roger Rabbit" that didn't make it to the theatrical cut or home video
has fetched almost $1000.
As for the Hong Kong SOTS, it is one of the smallest printing runs of
any Laserdisc, since it was not for sale, only for rental, it is the
only optical format version without annoying Japanese subtitles, and
it has always been one of the most sought-after titles in any format.
.. Steve ...
..
>
Julien WILK
Winning bidder first put a bid at $900 and later rose it to $1350.
The highest counter-bid was $810 so final price should be $820.
What happened? Bidding proxy failed and judged that howelcat was overbidding
anonymously on himself?
Rgds,
Julien
Miles Wood
"Capn Queeg" <PQu...@dmscaine.org> wrote in message
news:kqdb0vgk0rpktj0md...@4ax.com...
> The winning bidder used the "buy it now" option. It would seem the winner
> was afraid of being outbid by snipers so opted for the guaranteed sale
> instead.
This is the second time I've seen someone seemingly use BIN on an item that
has bids. The BIN option should disappear as soon as a bid has been placed.
Anyone understand this???
Miles
Joshua Zyber
news:au4pjo$ql...@imsp212.netvigator.com...
> This is the second time I've seen someone seemingly use BIN on an item
that
> has bids. The BIN option should disappear as soon as a bid has been
placed.
> Anyone understand this???
If there is also a reserve price on the auction, the BIN does not
disappear until the reserve is met.
- Josh
Matthew L. Martin
AIUI, BIN disappears on the first bid when there is no reserve. It
disappears on reserve auctions once the reserve is met.
Matthew
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Brian Ross
Japanese version of the LD with the annoying sub-titles for $60 new at a
laserdisc store when they were on clearance. Song of the South is really not
that controversial, and Disney will probably release the movie unedited on
DVD soon anyway. I have never read or heard anyone ever have any serious
complaints about the film, other than maybe some perceived corporate image
issues???
----B
"Bernie Woodham" <Birnh...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:7Z7N9.253859$pN3.20787@sccrnsc03...
Joshua Zyber
news:gzoN9.9891$B31.1...@twister.socal.rr.com...
> Song of the South is really not
> that controversial, and Disney will probably release the movie
unedited on
> DVD soon anyway.
No, they have stated that they will never release it in this country.
> I have never read or heard anyone ever have any serious
> complaints about the film, other than maybe some perceived corporate
image
> issues???
Disney's stock in trade is their perceived corporate image. Their whole
business is based on it.
- Josh
Richard C
"Brian Ross" <nospam...@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:gzoN9.9891$B31.1...@twister.socal.rr.com...
: Japanese version of the LD with the annoying sub-titles for $60 new at a
: laserdisc store when they were on clearance. Song of the South is really not
: that controversial,
====================
Where have YOU been hiding? It should NOT be controversial, but in reality it is VERY much so!
====================
: and Disney will probably release the movie unedited on
: DVD soon anyway
=======================
Not according to most of the facts.
Chances are about 10 to 1 that it will NEVER be released.
Brian Ross
"Joshua Zyber" <jzy...@SPAM-SPAM-GO-AWAY.mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:au5ag1$tvt$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...
> "Brian Ross" <nospam...@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:gzoN9.9891$B31.1...@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > Song of the South is really not
> > that controversial, and Disney will probably release the movie
> unedited on
> > DVD soon anyway.
>
> No, they have stated that they will never release it in this country.
Even if they don't release this in the US on DVD, it just means it will be
available as an import on DVD just like the laserdisc was. And I would not
be surprised if some idiot on ebay would be willing to pay some hugely
overpriced amount for the first few mass produced copies of Song of the
South DVD import.
> > I have never read or heard anyone ever have any serious
> > complaints about the film, other than maybe some perceived corporate
> image
> > issues???
>
> Disney's stock in trade is their perceived corporate image. Their whole
> business is based on it.
>
> - Josh
>
>
That's not entirely true, Disney, like any other corporation is beholden to
their corporate leader's salaries and bonuses primarily, and secondly to
their share holders (once in a long while), and finally they might give a
shit what you think (corporate image), as long as you don't get in the way
of the bottom line.
With a classic like Song of the South, there is some money to be made here,
so don't be too surprised if there is a mass DVD release fairly soon, at
least an overseas one and eventually a domestic DVD release as well.
---B
Miles Wood
Miles
Bernie Woodham
> available as an import on DVD just like the laserdisc was.
Not likely. The fact that Americans were importing the PAL video from the
UK is the reason Disney pulled it off the shelves around the world. They
did that this time last year. They will not make the same mistake with the
DVD. Rumor has it that they are trying to find a way to ban the sale of the
PAL video off of eBay.
Dave Garrett
jazzh...@collector.org says...
> To answer the question. The "Hollywood" box set went for $1000 or so
> in 1999. The last time it was offered it ended at $250, which is a
> pity since I would have paid much more for it, but missed it.
That $1000 copy is an anomaly. Most copies used to sell for $300-400,
but I remember one earlier this year that went for about $200. They
don't seem to pop up on eBay as frequently as they used to, but keep
your eyes open and use Jeff's Used LD/DVD Finder and you'll eventually
snag one if you're willing to pay $300 or a bit more.
> The Vitaphone Shorts 70th fetched $1420 then $1500 when a couple of
> libraries were bidding on it at the beginning of this year. lately
> it's more like $200 to $400.
I was awfully tempted to sell my copy when that $1500 one sold, but it
took me long enough to find a copy at a reasonable price in the first
place, and I don't expect it to appear on DVD any time soon, so I opted
to keep it.
> The Lubitsch box set is $450 and
> increasing in value, though one title from the set is coming to DVD.
One of my friends recently sold a mint copy of the Lubitsch box for much
less than $450 on eBay - I can't remember the exact closing price, but I
think it was in the neighborhood of $250. I was surprised as I expected
it to go for a lot more.
Dave
Moviezzz
>complaints about the film, other than maybe some perceived corporate image
>issues???
Disney was set to release it again in the 90s, but due to some threatened
protests, they held off. They had filmed some segments with James Earl Jones
to give it the historical perspective it needed, but didn't go ahead with it.
Steve
wrote:
>In article <o6qa0v8urbh9cpfkm...@4ax.com>,
>jazzh...@collector.org says...
>
>> To answer the question. The "Hollywood" box set went for $1000 or so
>> in 1999. The last time it was offered it ended at $250, which is a
>> pity since I would have paid much more for it, but missed it.
>
>That $1000 copy is an anomaly. Most copies used to sell for $300-400,
>but I remember one earlier this year that went for about $200. They
>don't seem to pop up on eBay as frequently as they used to, but keep
>your eyes open and use Jeff's Used LD/DVD Finder and you'll eventually
>snag one if you're willing to pay $300 or a bit more.
Yup, I check ol' Jeff's every day.
>
>> The Vitaphone Shorts 70th fetched $1420 then $1500 when a couple of
>> libraries were bidding on it at the beginning of this year. lately
>> it's more like $200 to $400.
>
>I was awfully tempted to sell my copy when that $1500 one sold, but it
>took me long enough to find a copy at a reasonable price in the first
>place, and I don't expect it to appear on DVD any time soon, so I opted
>to keep it.
I bought mine for $89 (sealed) by online retail in 2000, when I'd lost
it several times already on ebay for three times that. I ordered it
months before initial release (1996?) but it just never appeared, then
the market died, and I STILL could not find it anywhere until it
started appearing on Ebay. The trouble is that Warner lasers can not
be officially sold in Canada, since warner's Canada is a different
entity than the Turner-controlled American Warner.
I wouldn't sell mine at any price, it's just such a wonderful piece of
talking picture history, one of the very best home video releases ever
produced. Unique.
>
>> The Lubitsch box set is $450 and
>> increasing in value, though one title from the set is coming to DVD.
>
>One of my friends recently sold a mint copy of the Lubitsch box for much
>less than $450 on eBay - I can't remember the exact closing price, but I
>think it was in the neighborhood of $250. I was surprised as I expected
>it to go for a lot more.
I paid $329 US for my Lubitsch box almost two years ago. Then the
Lubitsch box with "To Be or Not To Be"' and three other Lubitsch
singles went for $500. I would have bid on that just for the rare
Jack Benny item, if I didn't' already have the box.
Yes (heheh) it's just so unpredictable. "Merry widow"
(Chevalier-Macdonal) went for $92, then $101. each time I bid a max
of $59. It came up again, I put in my usual $59, and won it for $46!
A few days later it appeared again, and went for $110! The vendor for
the "Widow" that I won, who's probably a nice enough guy, is, to be
honest, not particularly friendly in his Emails. He obviously knows
about the other lisitngs. He'll get my best positive feedback however
because this disc was #1 on my want list. And I included a tip in the
payment.
I lost "Hollywood" because the minimum bid was $350, Buy it now $500.
No takers. the fellow relisted and placed a $250 "Buy it now" Despite
the fact that I was on the case within an hour of listing, someone had
already used the Buy option. The vendor didn't do things very well. A
$200 first bid might have had several fellows bidding up the price,
with the "Buy it Now" kept at $500.
.. Steve ..
>
>Dave
Nicolas Santini
> Miles Wood wrote:
> > "Capn Queeg" <PQu...@dmscaine.org> wrote in message
> > news:kqdb0vgk0rpktj0md...@4ax.com...
> >
> >>The winning bidder used the "buy it now" option. It would seem the winner
> >>was afraid of being outbid by snipers so opted for the guaranteed sale
> >>instead.
> >
> >
> > This is the second time I've seen someone seemingly use BIN on an item that
> > has bids. The BIN option should disappear as soon as a bid has been placed.
> > Anyone understand this???
>
> AIUI, BIN disappears on the first bid when there is no reserve. It
> disappears on reserve auctions once the reserve is met.
>
> Matthew
And to be complete, BIN reappears if all bids are cancelled or retracted.
Nicolas Santini
> Strange (apart the fact that the winner is a (1)):
>
> Winning bidder first put a bid at $900 and later rose it to $1350.
>
> The highest counter-bid was $810 so final price should be $820.
>
> What happened? Bidding proxy failed and judged that howelcat was overbidding
> anonymously on himself?
>
> Rgds,
> Julien
>
Julien, answer is obvious: there was a reserve at $1350, which the
winner did not hit with his first $900 bid, but hit with his second,
equal to or greater than $1350 bid.
I am always amused when people write about "ridiculous" LD prices.
There are many things on Earth which are priced more ridiculously than
a $1350 rare LD. It all depends on your perspective and your wealth.
Jerome Marot
[...]
> I am always amused when people write about "ridiculous" LD prices.
> There are many things on Earth which are priced more ridiculously than
> a $1350 rare LD. It all depends on your perspective and your wealth.
I do not know of any other consumer goods who see their price
multiplied by 10 in a few years, actually. Would you have an example?
Mattias Karlsson
Well, for example, Vinyl LP's. I have many LP's that I got new for
around 10$ 3-6 years ago and they are now worth around 100$-250$.
Mattias Karlsson
Julien WILK
Standard cartriges can jump high:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4315&item=1945743848
Some Neo Geo original paperboxed cartridges can fetch between $4.000 and
$10.000!
Rgds,
Julien
Julien WILK
I got a Spawn DTS for $2.
The winner (that sold in the past 8 months) was 'Mulholland Falls' for $159
(retail: $39.98). Most often sold: DAYLIGHT DTS, 28 times.
Average qty is about 100 discs/month (which find a new owner).
Still not as good as SOTS ^_^;
Rgds,
Julien
Dave Garrett
jazzh...@collector.org says...
[HOLLYWOOD box set]
> >That $1000 copy is an anomaly. Most copies used to sell for $300-400,
> >but I remember one earlier this year that went for about $200. They
> >don't seem to pop up on eBay as frequently as they used to, but keep
> >your eyes open and use Jeff's Used LD/DVD Finder and you'll eventually
> >snag one if you're willing to pay $300 or a bit more.
>
> Yup, I check ol' Jeff's every day.
As do I, but the problem with the HOLLYWOOD box is that there are a lot
of movies with "Hollywood" in the title; combine that with eBay sellers
who occasionally mangle titles or descriptions just enough to throw off
a search engine, and you'll quickly realize that the only foolproof way
to find certain titles is to scan every single new laserdisc listing on
eBay on a daily (or even intraday) basis. But most people don't have the
time or the patience to do that.
[Vitaphone Shorts 70th box]
> I bought mine for $89 (sealed) by online retail in 2000, when I'd lost
> it several times already on ebay for three times that. I ordered it
> months before initial release (1996?) but it just never appeared, then
> the market died, and I STILL could not find it anywhere until it
> started appearing on Ebay.
Laser Exchange had it briefly listed in their sale list when they first
started having those big MGM blowout sales several years ago, but I
can't remember how much it was - I think it was at least $50. But I
don't know anyone that picked one up for that, and there were so many
titles to pick from that I decided to wait on it until I placed a later
order. Of course, it was one of the sets that presumably sold out almost
immediately. I finally found a new copy at a retailer for $120 or so.
> I paid $329 US for my Lubitsch box almost two years ago. Then the
> Lubitsch box with "To Be or Not To Be"' and three other Lubitsch
> singles went for $500. I would have bid on that just for the rare
> Jack Benny item, if I didn't' already have the box.
Which Lubitsch box with TO BE OR NOT TO BE are you referring to? Is this
a Japanese release, by any chance? I've never heard of it before, let
alone seen it. What other films are contained in the box?
> Yes (heheh) it's just so unpredictable. "Merry widow"
> (Chevalier-Macdonal) went for $92, then $101. each time I bid a max
> of $59. It came up again, I put in my usual $59, and won it for $46!
> A few days later it appeared again, and went for $110! The vendor for
> the "Widow" that I won, who's probably a nice enough guy, is, to be
> honest, not particularly friendly in his Emails. He obviously knows
> about the other lisitngs. He'll get my best positive feedback however
> because this disc was #1 on my want list. And I included a tip in the
> payment.
MERRY WIDOW was yet another of the $10 sale titles from Laser Exchange.
They are pretty much the reason I have as many of the great MGM
laserdiscs as I do. I'm still missing a few, though, that I continue to
look for.
> I lost "Hollywood" because the minimum bid was $350, Buy it now $500.
> No takers. the fellow relisted and placed a $250 "Buy it now" Despite
> the fact that I was on the case within an hour of listing, someone had
> already used the Buy option. The vendor didn't do things very well. A
> $200 first bid might have had several fellows bidding up the price,
> with the "Buy it Now" kept at $500.
Yep. The price probably isn't going to drop too much on this one any
time soon, as the consensus among silent film cognoscenti is that it
will never appear on DVD, due to rights issues concerning the hundreds
of clips used in it from other films. Such issues are certainly not
unresolvable given enough cash, but the cost would be too great in light
of the limited market such a set has.
Dave
Ronald Cole
> Julien, answer is obvious: there was a reserve at $1350, which the
> winner did not hit with his first $900 bid, but hit with his second,
> equal to or greater than $1350 bid.
>
> I am always amused when people write about "ridiculous" LD prices.
> There are many things on Earth which are priced more ridiculously than
> a $1350 rare LD. It all depends on your perspective and your wealth.
Maybe it's Disney buying up all the copies that might be used to make
good bootleg DVDs... ;)
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"Brian Ross" <nospam...@san.rr.com> wrote:
> The $1350 price is a bit ridiculous. I remember a few years ago I bought the
> Japanese version of the LD with the annoying sub-titles for $60 new at a
> laserdisc store when they were on clearance. Song of the South is really not
> that controversial, and Disney will probably release the movie unedited on
> DVD soon anyway. I have never read or heard anyone ever have any serious
> complaints about the film, other than maybe some perceived corporate image
> issues???
>
> ----B
>
>
No, as a longtime buyer of Disney opticals, i think I can safely say
that Disney will NEVER release SOTS in this country... these are the
guys who pulled "The Best Of Roger Rabbit (LD)" from the shelves its
first day for 3 frames with a BG poster of a bikini-clad girl straddling
a Bow Saw in an ad for Rigid Tools (a LEGIT tool mfg. name, I might
ad)and then lied about color issues (on a THX-certified disc?!?!?)...
they also cut nearly a minute from the DVD release of the so-called
RESTORED (BULL-F*CKING SH*T!) "Melody Time" to avoid showing Pecos Bill
rolling a cigarette!... wise up... do some homework on these guys...
they play dirty, and they bastardize their own classic material to
protect their "image".
Steve
wrote:
>In article <s75d0v842fsacsg9g...@4ax.com>,
>jazzh...@collector.org says...
>> On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:14:26 -0600, Dave Garrett <da...@compassnet.com>
>> wrote:
>
>[HOLLYWOOD box set]
>
snip
>
>[Vitaphone Shorts 70th box]
>
>> I bought mine for $89 (sealed) by online retail in 2000, when I'd lost
>> it several times already on ebay for three times that. I ordered it
>> months before initial release (1996?) but it just never appeared, then
>> the market died, and I STILL could not find it anywhere until it
>> started appearing on Ebay.
>
>Laser Exchange had it briefly listed in their sale list when they first
>started having those big MGM blowout sales several years ago, but I
>can't remember how much it was - I think it was at least $50. But I
>don't know anyone that picked one up for that, and there were so many
>titles to pick from that I decided to wait on it until I placed a later
>order. Of course, it was one of the sets that presumably sold out almost
>immediately. I finally found a new copy at a retailer for $120 or so.
THAT'S where I got the 70th, Laser Exchange, and it was $89, I checked
the invoice.
>
>> I paid $329 US for my Lubitsch box almost two years ago. Then the
>> Lubitsch box with "To Be or Not To Be"' and three other Lubitsch
>> singles went for $500. I would have bid on that just for the rare
>> Jack Benny item, if I didn't' already have the box.
>
>Which Lubitsch box with TO BE OR NOT TO BE are you referring to? Is this
>a Japanese release, by any chance? I've never heard of it before, let
>alone seen it. What other films are contained in the box?
No no. It was a Lot of the Lubitsch box plus four individuals,
including the Benny, Shop around the Corner, and two others.
>
>> Yes (heheh) it's just so unpredictable. "Merry widow"
>> (Chevalier-Macdonal) went for $92, then $101. each time I bid a max
>> of $59. It came up again, I put in my usual $59, and won it for $46!
>> A few days later it appeared again, and went for $110! The vendor for
>> the "Widow" that I won, who's probably a nice enough guy, is, to be
>> honest, not particularly friendly in his Emails. He obviously knows
>> about the other lisitngs. He'll get my best positive feedback however
>> because this disc was #1 on my want list. And I included a tip in the
>> payment.
>
>MERRY WIDOW was yet another of the $10 sale titles from Laser Exchange.
>They are pretty much the reason I have as many of the great MGM
>laserdiscs as I do. I'm still missing a few, though, that I continue to
>look for.
I never saw "Merry Widow," and I have been looking a LONG time for
this title. It's just timing I guess. I bought just about all the
MGM and Warner classic titles I wanted when they were released, nearly
always as a pre-order. Somehow I missed "Ziegfeld Girl" which I've
recently acquired, and though I ordered "Babes in Arms" at release, it
never arrived. I still need that one.
>
>> I lost "Hollywood" because the minimum bid was $350, Buy it now $500.
>> No takers. the fellow relisted and placed a $250 "Buy it now" Despite
>> the fact that I was on the case within an hour of listing, someone had
>> already used the Buy option. The vendor didn't do things very well. A
>> $200 first bid might have had several fellows bidding up the price,
>> with the "Buy it Now" kept at $500.
>
>Yep. The price probably isn't going to drop too much on this one any
>time soon, as the consensus among silent film cognoscenti is that it
>will never appear on DVD, due to rights issues concerning the hundreds
>of clips used in it from other films. Such issues are certainly not
>unresolvable given enough cash, but the cost would be too great in light
>of the limited market such a set has.
Too bad, in light of the great "Cinema Europe" DVD and the Harold
Lloyd and Buster Keaton reissues. Is rights the reason "Unknown
Chaplin" hasn't been reissued? At least that one's still cheap, and I
treasure mine. As for "Hollywood," I saw the box in a retail store
at time of release, almost bought it but decided to get some singles
instead at that time, went back a couple of weeks later for
"Hollywood," they were all gone, and no more were ever available.
Considering how much I loved that series and my interest in silent
film that is still a mistake I regret. I just can't bring myself to
get the VHS set of that. Each time I'd watch it I'd be reminded of
how the superior optical format version was chucked due to my
stupidity.
. Steve ..
>
>Dave
Steve
<mail.no...@verizon.net> wrote:
>In article <gzoN9.9891$B31.1...@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "Brian Ross" <nospam...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> The $1350 price is a bit ridiculous. I remember a few years ago I bought the
>> Japanese version of the LD with the annoying sub-titles for $60 new at a
>> laserdisc store when they were on clearance. Song of the South is really not
>> that controversial, and Disney will probably release the movie unedited on
>> DVD soon anyway. I have never read or heard anyone ever have any serious
>> complaints about the film, other than maybe some perceived corporate image
>> issues???
>>
>> ----B
>>
>>
>No, as a longtime buyer of Disney opticals, i think I can safely say
>that Disney will NEVER release SOTS in this country... these are the
>guys who pulled "The Best Of Roger Rabbit (LD)" from the shelves its
>first day for 3 frames with a BG poster of a bikini-clad girl straddling
>a Bow Saw in an ad for Rigid Tools (a LEGIT tool mfg. name, I might
>ad)and then lied about color issues (on a THX-certified disc?!?!?)...
>they also cut nearly a minute from the DVD release of the so-called
>RESTORED (BULL-F*CKING SH*T!) "Melody Time" to avoid showing Pecos Bill
>rolling a cigarette!... wise up... do some homework on these guys...
>they play dirty, and they bastardize their own classic material to
>protect their "image".
At least Mickey Mouse still smokes in "The Black and White Years."
. Steve ..
Nicolas Santini
Multiplied by 2 or 3 in a matter of minutes, examples abound (limited
editions that get sold out the first day - whatever product it may
be). But it is not the rise of this specific item i was referring to,
rather the absolute level. Paying $1350 to see a movie is not insane
in itself. One could spend the same amount on a lot of other stuff
that would seem as much overpriced as this one. Some would say that
spending over $1000 on a good bottle of wine is mad, but about every
hour if not every minute, somebody does. And the list is long of stuff
that seems overpriced to some, but that others can afford without
second thoughts.
Bluesboy
And that segment may never see the light of day on DVD or any other format.
I haven't done a thorough search, but does anyone know if any of the shorts
on the Micky or Silly Symphonies DVD's have been sanitized for our
protection?
Steve
wrote:
Not that I can see, as I say Mickey smokes in one short on the new DVD
and in another there's a reallly racist bit of humour, a play on Al
Jolson. Before each of the shorts that have politically incorrect
content Leonard Maltin gives an onscreen aplogy. I haven't watched
the DVD in full yet, but Leonard makes a point of stating that the
films WOULDN'T be sanitized because they are "historically important."
. Steve ...
domesi
bigD
Richard C
"Jerome Marot" <gzoo...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:cc38b740.02122...@posting.google.com...
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Anything that is collectible.
Dave Garrett
jazzh...@collector.org says...
> On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:19:24 -0600, Dave Garrett <da...@compassnet.com>
> wrote:
> >In article <s75d0v842fsacsg9g...@4ax.com>,
> >jazzh...@collector.org says...
> >> On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:14:26 -0600, Dave Garrett <da...@compassnet.com>
> >> wrote:
> >[Vitaphone Shorts 70th box]
> >Laser Exchange had it briefly listed in their sale list when they first
> >started having those big MGM blowout sales several years ago, but I
> >can't remember how much it was - I think it was at least $50. But I
> >don't know anyone that picked one up for that, and there were so many
> >titles to pick from that I decided to wait on it until I placed a later
> >order. Of course, it was one of the sets that presumably sold out almost
> >immediately. I finally found a new copy at a retailer for $120 or so.
>
> THAT'S where I got the 70th, Laser Exchange, and it was $89, I checked
> the invoice.
That sounds about right - as I recall, Laser Exchange started the MGM
sales off with discounts of 30% or so, then 40%, then 50%, and
eventually all the way down to $10 each, but by that time pretty much
all the box sets were long gone. Ironically enough, I opted for both of
THE MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E boxes and the Bond special edition boxes of
THUNDERBALL and GOLDFINGER when I placed my initial order, all of which
subsequently turned out to be far easier to find copies of later (and
much cheaper to boot) than the Vitaphone sets. Hindsight is 20/20, of
course.
> >> I paid $329 US for my Lubitsch box almost two years ago. Then the
> >> Lubitsch box with "To Be or Not To Be"' and three other Lubitsch
> >> singles went for $500. I would have bid on that just for the rare
> >> Jack Benny item, if I didn't' already have the box.
> >
> >Which Lubitsch box with TO BE OR NOT TO BE are you referring to? Is this
> >a Japanese release, by any chance? I've never heard of it before, let
> >alone seen it. What other films are contained in the box?
>
> No no. It was a Lot of the Lubitsch box plus four individuals,
> including the Benny, Shop around the Corner, and two others.
Ah, right, I misunderstood. Which Benny disc was it, the double feature
of THE HORN BLOWS AT MIDNIGHT and GEORGE WASHINGTON SLEPT HERE? I'm
starting to sound like a broken record, but that was yet another title I
got from Laser Exchange.
> >MERRY WIDOW was yet another of the $10 sale titles from Laser Exchange.
> >They are pretty much the reason I have as many of the great MGM
> >laserdiscs as I do. I'm still missing a few, though, that I continue to
> >look for.
>
> I never saw "Merry Widow," and I have been looking a LONG time for
> this title. It's just timing I guess. I bought just about all the
> MGM and Warner classic titles I wanted when they were released, nearly
> always as a pre-order. Somehow I missed "Ziegfeld Girl" which I've
> recently acquired, and though I ordered "Babes in Arms" at release, it
> never arrived. I still need that one.
Well, I didn't even acquire my first LD player until early 1997, so I
got into the game too late to preorder many titles. In retrospect, that
was probably a good thing, as I was able to pick up hundreds of titles
for a fraction of what they'd originally retailed for. Of the titles I
did preorder, many were pressed in very low numbers and have
subsequently skyrocketed in value, like the double feature of THE LAST
MAN ON EARTH and PANIC IN YEAR ZERO.
> >> I lost "Hollywood" because the minimum bid was $350, Buy it now $500.
> >> No takers. the fellow relisted and placed a $250 "Buy it now" Despite
> >> the fact that I was on the case within an hour of listing, someone had
> >> already used the Buy option. The vendor didn't do things very well. A
> >> $200 first bid might have had several fellows bidding up the price,
> >> with the "Buy it Now" kept at $500.
> >
> >Yep. The price probably isn't going to drop too much on this one any
> >time soon, as the consensus among silent film cognoscenti is that it
> >will never appear on DVD, due to rights issues concerning the hundreds
> >of clips used in it from other films. Such issues are certainly not
> >unresolvable given enough cash, but the cost would be too great in light
> >of the limited market such a set has.
>
> Too bad, in light of the great "Cinema Europe" DVD and the Harold
> Lloyd and Buster Keaton reissues.
The three Keaton box sets were among the first LDs I ever got. Actually,
the first LD I ever bought was the Keaton docu A HARD ACT TO FOLLOW, and
I got that one before I even had an LD player. The exclusive
availability of many silent and Asian films on laserdisc was what
convinced me to get a player in the first place.
> Is rights the reason "Unknown
> Chaplin" hasn't been reissued? At least that one's still cheap, and I
> treasure mine.
I don't know the rights situation for UNKNOWN CHAPLIN, but given its
unavailability on DVD I'm surprised to hear that it's become cheap. I
paid $120 for my copy several years ago, and later I picked up a second,
sealed copy for $40 and resold it on eBay for over $200. It is
absolutely essential viewing for anyone with even a passing interest in
Chaplin or his films.
> As for "Hollywood," I saw the box in a retail store
> at time of release, almost bought it but decided to get some singles
> instead at that time, went back a couple of weeks later for
> "Hollywood," they were all gone, and no more were ever available.
> Considering how much I loved that series and my interest in silent
> film that is still a mistake I regret. I just can't bring myself to
> get the VHS set of that. Each time I'd watch it I'd be reminded of
> how the superior optical format version was chucked due to my
> stupidity.
The VHS set isn't bad at all - I bought it when it was rereleased about
ten years ago after being out of print since its initial release, and
it's certainly quite watchable. I finally picked up a copy of the
laserdisc set much later; as it's an older pressing, the lasers aren't
completely up to the high mastering standards of the late 90s that
resulted in such spectacular-looking discs in the dying days of the
format. Plus some of the source material, particularly the interviews,
isn't nearly as good-looking as the similar interviews on CINEMA EUROPE,
which is almost to be expected since many of the interviews were filmed
years before HOLLYWOOD was compiled.
Of course, I love the LD set and haven't watched the tapes once since I
got it. Since it's so heavy, it's hard to find copies that don't have at
least a minimal amount of shelf wear or even seam splits on the box.
I've seen comments by at least one person that copies didn't move off
the shelves at Ken Crane's even when they'd been marked down to $99 - I
don't know many fans of the series that wouldn't jump at the chance to
pick up a copy at that price now.
Dave
Steve
wrote:
>In article <k0qf0vog0k5td8m7k...@4ax.com>,
>jazzh...@collector.org says...
>> On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:19:24 -0600, Dave Garrett <da...@compassnet.com>
>> wrote:
>> >In article <s75d0v842fsacsg9g...@4ax.com>,
>> >jazzh...@collector.org says...
>> >> On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:14:26 -0600, Dave Garrett <da...@compassnet.com>
>> >> wrote:
>
>> >[Vitaphone Shorts 70th box]
>
>> >Laser Exchange had it briefly listed in their sale list when they first
>> >started having those big MGM blowout sales several years ago, but I
>> >can't remember how much it was - I think it was at least $50.
>>
>> THAT'S where I got the 70th, Laser Exchange, and it was $89, I checked
>> the invoice.
>
>That sounds about right - as I recall, Laser Exchange started the MGM
>sales off with discounts of 30% or so, then 40%, then 50%, and
>eventually all the way down to $10 each, but by that time pretty much
>all the box sets were long gone. Ironically enough, I opted for both of
>THE MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E boxes and the Bond special edition boxes of
>THUNDERBALL and GOLDFINGER when I placed my initial order, all of which
>subsequently turned out to be far easier to find copies of later (and
>much cheaper to boot) than the Vitaphone sets. Hindsight is 20/20, of
>course.
Yes, since I always looked for the unusual and early actually I've
ended up with a good selection of Laserdisc rareties. I must say I'm
delighted with what Image and Kino (and even Something Weird Video)
have been coming up with on DVD lately. But some of my favs, such as
the Greta Garbo silent box (with "Love" etc.) and the "First American
Features" set and the British GPO shorts box don't look like they'll
be fully represented on DVD any time soon.
>
>> >> I paid $329 US for my Lubitsch box almost two years ago.
>> >
>> >Which Lubitsch box with TO BE OR NOT TO BE are you referring to?
>> No no. It was a Lot of the Lubitsch box plus four individuals,
>> including the Benny, Shop around the Corner, and two others.
>
>Ah, right, I misunderstood. Which Benny disc was it, the double feature
>of THE HORN BLOWS AT MIDNIGHT and GEORGE WASHINGTON SLEPT HERE?
No, "To Be or Not to Be," on Landmark Laservision I believe. My
contact within the industry (don't ask, but he's reliable) has
suggested that this film is wending its way to DVD. That Benny twofer
is one I didn't know about at all until just last week, I may try
getting it through Ebay.
> I'm
>starting to sound like a broken record, but that was yet another title I
>got from Laser Exchange.
>
>> >MERRY WIDOW was yet another of the $10 sale titles from Laser Exchange.
>> >
>>
>> I never saw "Merry Widow," and I have been looking a LONG time for
>> this title. It's just timing I guess. I bought just about all the
>> MGM and Warner classic titles I wanted when they were released, nearly
>> always as a pre-order. Somehow I missed "Ziegfeld Girl" which I've
>> recently acquired, and though I ordered "Babes in Arms" at release, it
>> never arrived. I still need that one.
>
>Well, I didn't even acquire my first LD player until early 1997, so I
>got into the game too late to preorder many titles. In retrospect, that
>was probably a good thing, as I was able to pick up hundreds of titles
>for a fraction of what they'd originally retailed for. Of the titles I
>did preorder, many were pressed in very low numbers and have
>subsequently skyrocketed in value, like the double feature of THE LAST
>MAN ON EARTH and PANIC IN YEAR ZERO.
Yes, production quantities went down during the dying days. Quite a
few titles were released in 1997 that have not yet come to DVD.
I began buying Laserdiscs in 1980 and used a borrowed player until I
bought a VH8000 in 1981. I still have that player in working
condition. My next machine was the pioneer CLD 660, still the best
player for Discovision. I've had about 15 other machines over the
years. It's a good bet that my original Laserdisc collection has been
completely turned over with post-1986 pressings, except for the
Discovisions and the one or two Technidiscs that still have some
picture left. The others, which mostly split, were given to a rifle
shooting range. Also I never parted with my Japanese Pioneer nudie
test discs such as "Oriental Dreams," "Tropical Hi-Noon," "Catalina
Dreams" "Scandinavian Adventure," and one or two others, or any of the
Porn discs like "Candy," "Candy goes to Hollywood," "The Ecstasy
Girls," "Deep Throat," "Debbie does Dallas," "Bad Girls," etc. (about
ten in all.)
>
>> >> I lost "Hollywood" because the minimum bid was $350,
>>
>> Too bad, in light of the great "Cinema Europe" DVD and the Harold
>> Lloyd and Buster Keaton reissues.
>
>The three Keaton box sets were among the first LDs I ever got. Actually,
>the first LD I ever bought was the Keaton docu A HARD ACT TO FOLLOW, and
>I got that one before I even had an LD player. The exclusive
>availability of many silent and Asian films on laserdisc was what
>convinced me to get a player in the first place.
My friend the Laserdisc/DVD dealer has that Keaton set plus Harold
Lloyd and whosit, the other silent comedian (not Chaplin) for about
$120 CDN each.
>
>> Is rights the reason "Unknown
>> Chaplin" hasn't been reissued? At least that one's still cheap, and I
>> treasure mine.
>
>I don't know the rights situation for UNKNOWN CHAPLIN, but given its
>unavailability on DVD I'm surprised to hear that it's become cheap. I
>paid $120 for my copy several years ago, and later I picked up a second,
>sealed copy for $40 and resold it on eBay for over $200. It is
>absolutely essential viewing for anyone with even a passing interest in
>Chaplin or his films.
The only times I've seen it it either was $49 at online retail, such
as BigEmma's, sealed, or went for less than $60 on Ebay. But yes,
it's pretty priceless.
>
>> As for "Hollywood," I saw the box in a retail store
>> at time of release, almost bought it but decided to get some singles
>> instead at that time, went back a couple of weeks later for
>> I just can't bring myself to
>> get the VHS set of that. Each time I'd watch it I'd be reminded of
>> how the superior optical format version was chucked due to my
>> stupidity.
>
>The VHS set isn't bad at all - I bought it when it was rereleased about
>ten years ago after being out of print since its initial release, and
>it's certainly quite watchable. I finally picked up a copy of the
>laserdisc set much later; as it's an older pressing, the lasers aren't
>completely up to the high mastering standards of the late 90s that
>resulted in such spectacular-looking discs in the dying days of the
>format. Plus some of the source material, particularly the interviews,
>isn't nearly as good-looking as the similar interviews on CINEMA EUROPE,
>which is almost to be expected since many of the interviews were filmed
>years before HOLLYWOOD was compiled.
>
I have the off-air tapes when CBC ran it, but the reception wasn't
great, though the SuperBeta format had the potential of good quality.
A couple of the interviews in "Hollywood" are in Black and white....
Thank God they even talked to those people!
>Of course, I love the LD set and haven't watched the tapes once since I
>got it. Since it's so heavy, it's hard to find copies that don't have at
>least a minimal amount of shelf wear or even seam splits on the box.
>I've seen comments by at least one person that copies didn't move off
>the shelves at Ken Crane's even when they'd been marked down to $99 - I
>don't know many fans of the series that wouldn't jump at the chance to
>pick up a copy at that price now.
It's also a fact that I was unemployed and going through a bad time in
general 1996 to 1998/99, so I was mostly out of the loop during the
great optical format wars. I knew about the Laser exchange and Ken
Cranes blowouts, but couldn't afford much..
. Steve ..
>
>Dave
Nicolas Santini
You may want to check for some answers in this website:
Jerome Marot
This website does not answer the question asked. This one does:
http://www.teemings.com/shorts/disney/
BTW: Disney DVDs and the last LDs were also sanitized in Japan.
Nicolas Santini
It does, partialy. Take the example of the Mother Goose Goes Hollywood
short, part of the Silly Symphonies. The website i linked to, explains
that this short is uncensored on the Japanese LD WD078L-10024 "MORE
SILLY SYMPHONIES". The site you linked to, just says that this short
has been censored, and does not mention the existence of an LD with
it. Well, of the two info, the most useful is the former. For a full
picture, both have to be cross-checked, which is why i link to both
within my own Disney page:
http://home.catv.ne.jp/nn/nsa/DisneyLDs.htm
>
> BTW: Disney DVDs and the last LDs were also sanitized in Japan.
Yes, though on LD there is not much cases of such censorship, what
happens is mainly that later LDs just did not include shorts that
"need" to be censored. Collectors worldwide are chasing the older
Disney Japanese LDs for that precise reason. Any cares, please feel
free to e-mail me.
Nicolas
Mark Beals
Years."
>>>
>>> And that segment may never see the light of day on DVD or any
other format.
>>> I haven't done a thorough search, but does anyone know if any of
the shorts
>>> on the Micky or Silly Symphonies DVD's have been sanitized for our
>>> protection?
>>
>> You may want to check for some answers in this website:
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/disney_laserdiscs/
>
> This website does not answer the question asked. This one does:
> http://www.teemings.com/shorts/disney/
>
> BTW: Disney DVDs and the last LDs were also sanitized in Japan.
There is only 1 laserdisc, "Mickey's Family Album" PILA-3014 from 1998
with a censored short.
unclejr
> Has anyone ever known any other laserdisc to ever command this kind of
> price/attention?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18847&item=3300520293
> &rd=1
So, Bernie, did "howelcat" actually pay you the $1,350.00 for your HK
SOTS LD auction yet? The auction ended nearly 10 days ago, and I
noticed that you haven't given him feedback yet.
Am I correct in sensing a THIRD attempt to sell your HK SOTS LD on
eBay in the near future?
-Junior
R.J. van Es
Japanese Disney LD's like Bambi and Cinderella? Are they hard to get? I
don't see them on Ebay. Are they of any value?
RJ
"Bernie Woodham" <Birnh...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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Nicolas Santini
> What about other Disney Hong Kong LD releases, like the Little Mermaid or
> Japanese Disney LD's like Bambi and Cinderella? Are they hard to get? I
> don't see them on Ebay. Are they of any value?
>
> RJ
It all depends on the contents. The Japanese titles you listed have
not been subsequently censored and are available in other formats or
in other markets (such as on a USA LD), there is little demand for
them on Japanese LD, they are not worth much.
Nicolas
Bernie Woodham
is being shipped out tomorrow.
There is another person from the Netherlands who is about to post another HK
SOTS though in the near future.
BW
"unclejr" <wat...@kenyon.edu> wrote in message
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Jeremy Bond Shepherd
Steve <jazzh...@collector.org> wrote:
>
> I never saw "Merry Widow," and I have been looking a LONG time for
> this title. It's just timing I guess. I bought just about all the
> MGM and Warner classic titles I wanted when they were released, nearly
> always as a pre-order. Somehow I missed "Ziegfeld Girl" which I've
> recently acquired, and though I ordered "Babes in Arms" at release, it
> never arrived. I still need that one.
My copy of BABES IN ARMS is an older analog-sound MGM/UA pressing. Is
this the only one that was released? It's still in my pile of unwatched,
sealed discs that I'll get around to some day...
-Jeremy
Steve
I don't know Jeremy. I think it's an early release that didn't see
rerelease, whereas "Babes on Broadway" was reissued with PCM sound.
I just got "Presenting Lilly Mars" so now "Babes in Arms" is the ONLY
Judy Garland disc ever issued in North America that I have not got.
In fact it's the only Judy Garland FILM I don't have... Open for
offers? I'll make a nice DVD-r of it, Properly mastered in full-res
DVcam, written to Mpeg2 with Cinemacraft 4-pass. - no charge.... My
Email is good.
.. Steve ..
>-Jeremy