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Andrew Hall
>NO, DSS is NOT MPEG 2!!! It is MPEG 1 99% of the time and ONLY uses MPEG
>2 when it absolutly HAS to to encode a very difficult scene.
>
I thought MPEG 2 was actually MPEG 1.5, with room to grow? ;-)
Andy
t...@delphi.com
>INCORRECT!!!! DSS is MPEG2 now that the third satellite is up and
>running. It has been since late last year.
Yet it still looks like digital shit. Your point was?
Steve Mccartney
everybody crying about? Pioneer is coming out with a combi player, so
that tells me that LD's will still be around.Isn't DSS mpeg 2? i think so,
i also think that DSS has a excellent picture, i have not heard of the
millions of DSS owners returning there stuff, so if you dont like DVD(
and the majority of us have not even seen it in action yet)dont buy
it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Duggerman
PUTZ!
Stereo Boy
2 when it absolutly HAS to to encode a very difficult scene.
Also, I have SEEN DVD up close. Honestly, I would choose SVHS over DVD.
Its artifacts are much less annoying and easier to forget about. DVD's
artifacts are obvious and irritating. And in no way does it even approach
LD in quality.
DVD is going to fail like no product before it.
Ty Chamberlain
DiscoVision - THE WORLD ON A SILVER PLATTER!!
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AlenSmithe
Stop it! You're scaring me! They can't take that honor away from my
beloved CED!
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AlenSmithe
millions of DSS owners returning there stuff,
That's because retailers WON'T take DSS stuff back once you buy it! I
went to the Good Guys and thought about trying to test one out at home for
30 days so I can see how bad it really is on my set, but they had a sign
saying "Our 30-day satisfaction guarantee does not apply to digital
satellite systems." This is probably why I get flamed every time I
criticize the system, because the people who bought it have to hang on to
it, so they'll at least keep telling themselves it's the greatest thing
since sliced bread!
c. whiting
running. It has been since late last year.
Claude
Stereo Boy
implimenting MPEG 2 for a few moments here and there for particularly
difficult scenes.
Check with Hughes or Direct TV. They will tell you the truth. 99% of the
time, DSS is using MPEG 1.
Barry Chalmers
>
> "c. whiting" <cwhi...@melpar.esys.com> writes:
>
> >INCORRECT!!!! DSS is MPEG2 now that the third satellite is up and
> >running. It has been since late last year.
>
>
>
I just cannot understand why professionals in the communications
industry tend to avoid a.v.l
1. If we want to communicate a higher expectation of quality to the
manufacturers and potential buyers of both Laserdisc and DVD then it
will help to avoid swearing and shallow hip shots on a.v.l
2. My kids read this forum too. Its public. You belittle your own
argument by dropping down to rotten language.
You make it seem like you're not really interested in facts.
Regards
Barry Chalmers (bar...@strata3d.com)
AlenSmithe
> Yet it still looks like digital shit. Your point was?
Well, how else would you describe it? It's like when I got a message
taken off an AOL forum because I called VHS "Crap-Vision", I mean what
ELSE would you call it when that's what it is???
t...@delphi.com
>> Your reply is so intelligent and full of carefully prepared info. that
>I just cannot understand why professionals in the communications
>industry tend to avoid a.v.l
that aren't reading avl, no doubt because their prepackaged hype isn't
going over too well.
>1. If we want to communicate a higher expectation of quality to the
>manufacturers and potential buyers of both Laserdisc and DVD then it
>will help to avoid swearing and shallow hip shots on a.v.l
industry, yet they proceed with DVD anyway. Your point was?
>2. My kids read this forum too. Its public. You belittle your own
>argument by dropping down to rotten language.
well?
>You make it seem like you're not really interested in facts.
interested in facts ("Don't worry about the facts, Bill. No one else
here does. Facts can't alter this case" -=- "Bill the Galactic Hero",
Harry Harrison).
mi...@cellbio.wustl
(AlenSmithe) wrote:
> Someone objected to this comment about DSS's "upgrade" to MPEG2:
>
It would help if parents would not allow their adolescent children access
to their computers.
The poster knows nothing about DSS, and yet feels no shame making totally
ignorant comments about it. Why is it that I can positively identify you
as a Generation Xer?
Why don't you tell us about your scientific comparisons between LDs and
DVD or DSS? How long have you had DSS? What sort of video equipment do
you view it on? What sort of test equipment do you own?
Only a child would fail to recognize the responsibility of posting honest
and reliable information to millions of potential listeners on the
internet. This juvenile crap is why no one takes these newsgroups
seriously.
Gavin Adams
>Someone objected to this comment about DSS's "upgrade" to MPEG2:
>
>> Yet it still looks like digital shit. Your point was?
>
>Well, how else would you describe it? It's like when I got a message
>taken off an AOL forum because I called VHS "Crap-Vision", I mean what
>ELSE would you call it when that's what it is???
Dunno. The local pub I frequent just got a DSS system (30" dish), and
the quality of the picture on both a 50" RP and 27" XBR looked better
then anything I've seen on any cable system anywhere. In fact, barring
color differences, it comes as close to 1" tape that I've seen yet.
MPEG-1, 1.5, 2? Who cares. The end-result picture is what I'm looking
for.
--- Gavin
Gavin Adams 1 Beaming Hill Road
g...@hopi.com Southampton, SN02
Bermuda
steve
>>i also think that DSS has a excellent picture, i have not heard of the
>millions of DSS owners returning there stuff,
>That's because retailers WON'T take DSS stuff back once you buy it! I
>went to the Good Guys and thought about trying to test one out at home for
>30 days so I can see how bad it really is on my set,
I was in Fry's Electronics today in So. Cal. and spent 20 minutes
looking at DSS on 20 different TV's. What I saw was grainy
(digitally) and artifacts, especially on fades to black in and out.
Not what I would call acceptable, to me anyways.
Steve
mi...@cellbio.wustl.edu
>
> Dunno. The local pub I frequent just got a DSS system (30" dish), and
> the quality of the picture on both a 50" RP and 27" XBR looked better
> then anything I've seen on any cable system anywhere. In fact, barring
> color differences, it comes as close to 1" tape that I've seen yet.
>
This is the same reaction everyone has who has actually observed updated
DSS under halfway decent conditions.
t...@delphi.com
>This is the same reaction everyone has who has actually observed updated
>DSS under halfway decent conditions.
DSS in stores, and invariably see those annoying rectangular blocks. Am
I supposed to take it on faith that the picture will miraculously
improve after I've brought it home?
As I said, it still looks like digital shit.
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> NO, DSS is NOT MPEG 2!!! It is MPEG 1 99% of the time and ONLY uses MPEG
> 2 when it absolutly HAS to to encode a very difficult scene.
>
> Also, I have SEEN DVD up close. Honestly, I would choose SVHS over DVD.
> Its artifacts are much less annoying and easier to forget about. DVD's
> artifacts are obvious and irritating. And in no way does it even
approach
> LD in quality.
>
>
>
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> Patrick T.Chamberlain
My understanding is that different programs are encoded at different data
rates. I was in a uplink facility last week testing my companies MPEG
encoders. The data going to the bird is encoded MPEG2.
Note that MPEG2 allows for varying screen resolutions and data rates. BUT,
I've never heard of an encoder that can switch between mpeg1/mpeg2 or
varying resolutions depending on content at any given time. These
parameters are set up ahead of time.
Many of the systems are using unconstrained bit rate where the encoders
output bit rate varies depending on scene complexity. Many channels are
statistically multiplexed together (share one big bandwidth). There isn't
enough bandwidth for all channels to go to hi bit rate at any one time but
the varying scene complexity across multiple channels limits this. There
is a buffer that handles any excess and if the buffer starts to get full,
it can slow down the encoders.
MPEG1.5 is really part of the mpeg2 spec. (it's covered under it). It
handles 320x480 resolution.
DSS quality will vary depending upon the target bitrate for the channel and
program being encoded.
Hope this helps,
Jack W. Lix, FutureTel
c. whiting
newsgroup who is having a good time getting reactions from DSS
proponents by calling DSS "digital shit". He knows the picture
quality of DSS is excellent...just ignore him...maybe he will
go away.
Gordon Mulcaster
Sorry, DSS's image is full of "digital shit". Watched it for 3 minutes and
saw tons of digital artifacts. Not good.
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