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cmashiel...@hotmail.com

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May 23, 2006, 4:34:03 AM5/23/06
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With my LaCie DVD +-RW 16x4x16x Double Layer Firewire Drive connected
to my Mac G4 and eventual goal of making a bunch of CDs and DVDs, my
questions now are:

1. Can I have someone else burn a CD on a Lightscribe-enabled disk,
then send me the disk to label, or must it ABSOLUTELY ALWAYS be done at
the same time on the same machine?

The thing is, I plan to burn the DVDs myself, but as for the CDs, I'm
having one friend do the photo CDs and another the music CDs, as both
are professionals with the proper expertise and equipment for these
things, and I'd much rather pay them to do these and waste my own time
and effort hitting my head against the wall tearing my hair out
attempting to make DVDs only rather than throwing in negative and photo
scanning and music. So can I go ahead and either buy blank CDs and
supply them to my friends, or instruct them what sort to buy, then burn
professional-looking labels using Lightscribe after the fact when the
CDs are finished? Same question with if I burn a DVD in my player's
burner, can I then turn around and make a label using my Lightscribe
burner?

2. As for the DVDs. I was instructed by those in the know online to
buy Taiyo-Yuden as the most reliable brand, in DVD-R, and ONLY DVD-R
format. Trouble is, I didn't know at the time I asked about DVDs that
for Lightscribe labeling to work required a disk enabled for such
labeling. (I haven't actually MADE a label yet--but I have learned
THAT much!) So anyhow, I went online and can't find that Taiyo-Yuden
manufactures ANY Lightscribe-enabled disks. Please inform me if this
is incorrect. I went to several stores, and could find
Lightscribe-enabled DVDs ONLY in +R format. Finally, at Best Buy,
which I figured had the best selection and price and most knowledgeable
staff, I asked why this was. The only brand they had featuring
Lightscribe had CDs in +R and -R but DVDs only in +R. The Best Buy
guys told me +R was the "new standard," and -R wouldn't be made any
more by that company if by anyone. My friend doing the music says
they're full of it. Are the Best Buy boys full of it, or not? If they
are, what awful thing will happen as a result of having bought +R
rather than -R? (I found only one DVD -R Lightscribe-enabled disk
anywhere, made by HP.)

If what I bought at Best Buy works, I've more than half a mind to keep
getting disks that way, as those sold in bulk online don't include
jewel cases. So by the time I bought a stack of disks at one place, an
equal number of jewel cases at the same or a different place, then add
shipping for all of the above, I'm probably spending as much or more
than to buy them together all at once at Best Buy. IF they work, and
IF something awful does not happen due to me having bought DVD +R
rather than DVD -R. If something awful does happen, watch this space!

I appreciate your knowledge, consideration, and effort, thanks.

Cori

cmashiel...@hotmail.com

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May 23, 2006, 5:19:57 AM5/23/06
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P. S. And must Lightscribe labeling be done IMMEDIATELY after a burn?
What if you want to do an elaborate label that takes time, such as
selecting, lining up, and placing a picture, or fitting on a bunch of
titles? Is there any way to set it up before or afterwards or must it
ALL be done RIGHT THEN as the burn is finished?

Cori

Kimba W. Lion

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May 23, 2006, 6:59:01 AM5/23/06
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cmashiel...@hotmail.com wrote:

I can't answer your questions about LightScribe, so I will move on to this
part...


> I was instructed by those in the know online to
>buy Taiyo-Yuden as the most reliable brand, in DVD-R, and ONLY DVD-R
>format.

The cult of Taiyo-Yuden seems to me to be run by people with marginal
burners or perhaps who scoured the bottom of the blank disk food chain
before seeing the light (so to speak). I've used many different brands,
avoiding unbranded and store brand discs, and made discs for many people,
and I've had only 3 complaints: one about TDK, one about Memorex (both from
the same person, so it may be a flaky player at fault) and another about
Memorex (that may have been a +R/-R compatibility issue). Currently I'm
using Fuji and Maxell with no complaints.

But what of that flaky player issue? Were the discs off spec or was the
player? I won't suggest that burned DVDs are perfect, no matter what the
brand, but players age quickly and the first symptom is finickyness about
discs. My sample is too small to scientifically call a fault on either disc
or player. But you'll note that I have switched brands and I'm still taking
notes.

I've used many different players and never had a successful burn that didn't
play properly.

>The only brand they had featuring
>Lightscribe had CDs in +R and -R but DVDs only in +R.

There is no such thing as CD+R.

>The Best Buy
>guys told me +R was the "new standard," and -R wouldn't be made any
>more by that company if by anyone. My friend doing the music says
>they're full of it. Are the Best Buy boys full of it, or not?

Overflowing.

>If they
>are, what awful thing will happen as a result of having bought +R
>rather than -R?

From the POV of the person receiving the burned DVD, the issue is
compatibility. Claims are made that +R is compatible with more players, and
similar claims are made for -R. The fact is, older players do not all play
BOTH +R and -R, and which one they will play is a crap shoot. Choose either
+R or -R as your standard, and have a smaller supply of the other format,
then be prepared to handle any complaints of "unplayable" discs with
replacements of the other format.

Ralph E Lindberg

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May 23, 2006, 8:40:01 AM5/23/06
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cmashiel...@hotmail.com wrote:

No, you can wait, and wait and wait....

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May 23, 2006, 8:41:15 AM5/23/06
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cmashiel...@hotmail.com wrote:

....


> 2. As for the DVDs. I was instructed by those in the know online to
> buy Taiyo-Yuden as the most reliable brand, in DVD-R, and ONLY DVD-R
> format. Trouble is, I didn't know at the time I asked about DVDs that
> for Lightscribe labeling to work required a disk enabled for such
> labeling. (I haven't actually MADE a label yet--but I have learned
> THAT much!) So anyhow, I went online and can't find that Taiyo-Yuden
> manufactures ANY Lightscribe-enabled disks.

So don't buy any. I have had one (1) failure in Verbatium (out of 30+
DVDs)

Tonester

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May 23, 2006, 3:49:46 PM5/23/06
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<cmashiel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> With my LaCie DVD +-RW 16x4x16x Double Layer Firewire Drive connected
> to my Mac G4 and eventual goal of making a bunch of CDs and DVDs, my
> questions now are:
>
> 1. Can I have someone else burn a CD on a Lightscribe-enabled disk,
> then send me the disk to label, or must it ABSOLUTELY ALWAYS be done at
> the same time on the same machine?

1) Have you actually seen a Lightscribe label? I suspect after you see how
crappy it actually is you'll think twice about spending 20+ minutes PER DISC
to do a label.

2) Yes, Best Buy is full of crap. That's probably the worst place to go to
ask for advice.

3) Taiyo Yuden is good, but no better than Ritek, which I actually prefer.

My suggestion? Invest $100 in an Epson CD/DVD printer and printable Ritek
media. Their printable surface looks far better than TY's.


cmashiel...@hotmail.com

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May 23, 2006, 4:27:48 PM5/23/06
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Kimba W. Lion wrote:

Hey, Kimba, I like your name!

> The cult of Taiyo-Yuden seems to me to be run by people with marginal
> burners or perhaps who scoured the bottom of the blank disk food chain
> before seeing the light (so to speak). I've used many different brands,
> avoiding unbranded and store brand discs, and made discs for many people,
> and I've had only 3 complaints: one about TDK, one about Memorex (both from
> the same person, so it may be a flaky player at fault) and another about
> Memorex (that may have been a +R/-R compatibility issue). Currently I'm
> using Fuji and Maxell with no complaints.

Oh, dear, I bought Memorex DVD +R so it seems I may have the wrong
thing on TWO counts!

> There is no such thing as CD+R.

It that's true it answers one of my next questions. Perhaps by then I
was so tired I looked at RW disks and thought they were +R or
something.

> >The Best Buy
> >guys told me +R was the "new standard," and -R wouldn't be made any
> >more by that company if by anyone. My friend doing the music says
> >they're full of it. Are the Best Buy boys full of it, or not?
>
> Overflowing.

I rather suspected that but was too tired to argue by then.

As far as format and compatibility issues, I'll go more into that in my
next post. Thanks for the answers so far.

Cori

cmashiel...@hotmail.com

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May 23, 2006, 4:39:44 PM5/23/06
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Tonester wrote

> 1) Have you actually seen a Lightscribe label? I suspect after you see how
> crappy it actually is you'll think twice about spending 20+ minutes PER DISC
> to do a label.

Yes, the guy at Best Buy showed me one. I was disappointed it wasn't
in color, but what do you expect without ink? I've also seen labels
handscrawled with Sharpies, even by people with good writing, which I
don't have. I'll stick with Lightscribe till something better comes
along.

> 2) Yes, Best Buy is full of crap. That's probably the worst place to go to
> ask for advice.

As I suspected, but it was that or Fred Meyer, by which I mean...I'd
just visited a major city known for its recording industry and was
EXTREMELY disappointed! I'd go into a store supposedly DEVOTED to
music media and find them selling ONE brand (TDK) and not at all at
competitive prices. What is THAT? My friend was a little disgusted I
refused to buy anything under such conditions, but I thought it was out
of line for the specialists to have such a setup--I mean, I'd do
better just ordering online, not even walking into a store, and having
choices of different media at good prices than going into a store which
sells ONE thing for more than I'd pay for the SAME crappy thing at a
Wal-Mart, which they also don't have. The only good going to a store
did was that I was delighted to learn that there even was such a thing
as a Lightscribe-enabled disk and to find one--and that was at Fred
Meyer, but all they had was DVD +R--as did Best Buy.

> 3) Taiyo Yuden is good, but no better than Ritek, which I actually prefer.
>
> My suggestion? Invest $100 in an Epson CD/DVD printer and printable Ritek
> media. Their printable surface looks far better than TY's.

Yeah, I've seen "inkjet printer" format disks I KNOW aren't going in my
printer (which barely prints PAPER) and I didn't want to mess with
"peel and stick" labels for each disk, so it looks like, go with
Lightscribe or buy another printer JUST for printing labels!

Cori

cmashiel...@hotmail.com

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May 23, 2006, 4:42:31 PM5/23/06
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Okay, the cheap so-and-sos who put Lightscribe on the LaCie burner put
the whole user's manual on disk and then expect the user to print it
out. I guess the reason I went online asking questions is I figured
anyone who had actually used the program might be more helpful than
such a manual! Anyhow, section 4., "Using LaCie LightScribe Labeler,"
on page 21 of the User's Manual says

"4.3. Printing A Label
Once you've gotten your label properly laid out with your images,
text and/or objects, you're ready to print the label. To launch the
Print Options/Drive Info window, simply click on the Print button. From
this window, you'll be able to modify your print options, view a
preview of the item about to be printed and view information about the
drive and media."

That sounds hopeful. It then proceeds to "Print Setup," "Contrast
Level," "Estimate Label Printing Time," and "Number Of Copies," which
sounds REAL hopeful, as some will be multiple copies and I sure don't
want to set them up again each time! I suppose there must also be some
way of storing label designs already created for later use. It then
proceeds to "Drive," "Preview," and then the next section about
actually printing.

As for the media questions, I suppose I can use the DVD +R disks to (at
worst) experiment and (at best) make my own master copies, and then
burn copies of those to DVD -R disks for others? Correct? I can
simply copy the master disk without having to reburn for each copy,
with no generational loss as there would be with a copy of a copy of a
VHS tape? And there is no compatibility issue of copying from +R to
-R, (or is there)? Then I can label it as above, regardless of how
many copies I choose to do at a time, as it sounds as if it does not
all have to be done at once?

I am ESPECIALLY grateful for the CD information as the CDs are being
done by other people who I want to inform as to what disks to use. Are
there +R or -R rules about still pictures and music? Because once
made, I'd like to copy those disks for a few people, too. I bought -R
as everyone so recommended -R on the DVDs, hope I didn't pull an
Epanimondas there! But then, since someone here says there is no such
thing as CD +R maybe I did the right thing by default!

I really appreciate clarification because going into this I was told
how it was all so "simple, easy" I assumed I knew how to do it, and
would know from following directions, and it's turned out to be nothing
but pitfall after pitfall to the point where I go in asking questions
although I have a user's manual! Thanks for all the help!

Cori

Gene E. Bloch

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May 23, 2006, 5:11:43 PM5/23/06
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On 5/23/2006, cmashiel...@hotmail.com posted this:

> Okay, the cheap so-and-sos who put Lightscribe on the LaCie burner put
> the whole user's manual on disk and then expect the user to print it
> out. I guess the reason I went online asking questions is I figured
> anyone who had actually used the program might be more helpful than
> such a manual! Anyhow, section 4., "Using LaCie LightScribe Labeler,"
> on page 21 of the User's Manual says

Try searching a printed manual for a word or phrase and you will see
one advantage of a PDF manual (which you can copy to your hard disk, of
course, for fast access). Also, try to find *anything* today that comes
with a printed manual. Some, but not many, products do (Adobe Photoshop
+ Premiere Elements comes to mind; there are others).

> As for the media questions, I suppose I can use the DVD +R disks to (at
> worst) experiment and (at best) make my own master copies, and then
> burn copies of those to DVD -R disks for others?

There is no real advantage to DVD+R vs DVD-R if both work on your
player. If only one works on your player, don't use the other. As
already stated in this thread, some of your recipients will be able to
play both, some only -, some only +, and some neither.

> Correct? I can
> simply copy the master disk without having to reburn for each copy,
> with no generational loss as there would be with a copy of a copy of a
> VHS tape? And there is no compatibility issue of copying from +R to
> -R, (or is there)? Then I can label it as above, regardless of how
> many copies I choose to do at a time, as it sounds as if it does not
> all have to be done at once?

The smart thing to do is to burn your show(s) as image files on the
hard drive and burn all your DVDs and CDs from the images. With the
right software, e.g. Nero, you also can play an image file like a real
disc to make sure you like the result. To learn more about that, you
will have to do some of your own work, because I won't. Others might,
though :-)

> I am ESPECIALLY grateful for the CD information as the CDs are being
> done by other people who I want to inform as to what disks to use. Are
> there +R or -R rules about still pictures and music?

*Repeat* There are no CD+R or CD+RW discs. For DVDs, see the remarks
above. DVD+ and - are for all practical purposes equivalent where they
work...

> Because once
> made, I'd like to copy those disks for a few people, too. I bought -R
> as everyone so recommended -R on the DVDs, hope I didn't pull an
> Epanimondas there! But then, since someone here says there is no such
> thing as CD +R maybe I did the right thing by default!

*Everyone* here (except you) says there is no such thing as CD+.

> I really appreciate clarification because going into this I was told
> how it was all so "simple, easy" I assumed I knew how to do it, and
> would know from following directions, and it's turned out to be nothing
> but pitfall after pitfall to the point where I go in asking questions
> although I have a user's manual!

Yes.

> Thanks for all the help!
>
> Cori

--
Gene E. Bloch (Gino)
letters617blochg3251
(replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom")


Kimba W. Lion

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May 23, 2006, 6:18:57 PM5/23/06
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cmashiel...@hotmail.com wrote:

>Oh, dear, I bought Memorex DVD +R so it seems I may have the wrong
>thing on TWO counts!

I personally wouldn't be that concerned about it, but if you are, you can
use them for test burns and other in-house uses. I can't say for certain
that the two complaints I had were due to bad discs.

Kimba W. Lion

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May 23, 2006, 6:30:42 PM5/23/06
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cmashiel...@hotmail.com wrote:

>As for the media questions, I suppose I can use the DVD +R disks to (at
>worst) experiment and (at best) make my own master copies, and then
>burn copies of those to DVD -R disks for others? Correct? I can
>simply copy the master disk without having to reburn for each copy,
>with no generational loss as there would be with a copy of a copy of a
>VHS tape?

As someone else said, you'd be better off creating your DVD as a folder on
your computers hard drive, and then copying it from there to blank DVDs. It
would probably even go faster that way, since most burning programs will
tell you to make an image on your hard drive during the disc-to-disc copy
anyway.

>And there is no compatibility issue of copying from +R to
>-R, (or is there)?

No, format differences are handled without your input.

>I am ESPECIALLY grateful for the CD information as the CDs are being
>done by other people who I want to inform as to what disks to use. Are
>there +R or -R rules about still pictures and music?

An audio CD is an audio CD. Burn away.

As for pictures, you'll want to consider how they will be viewed. JPG (or
JPEG) is just about a universal format for the image files; many set-top DVD
players can show them. Myself, I really, really hate when I have to install
ANOTHER piece of software from a disc just to view some pictures. If you are
aiming for PC use, consider setting up HTML files, like a web site on disc.

>I really appreciate clarification because going into this I was told
>how it was all so "simple, easy" I assumed I knew how to do it, and
>would know from following directions, and it's turned out to be nothing
>but pitfall after pitfall to the point where I go in asking questions
>although I have a user's manual! Thanks for all the help!

Wait til you get to the actual DVD authoring. There's a learning curve
there, too. For example, each menu I produce is far better than the previous
one.

Martin Heffels

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May 23, 2006, 7:59:39 PM5/23/06
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On Tue, 23 May 2006 18:18:57 -0400, Kimba W. Lion <Kimba...@noemail.com>
wrote:

>I personally wouldn't be that concerned about it,

Uhm, you're dealing with Cori here ;-)

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Bill Anderson

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May 23, 2006, 8:07:38 PM5/23/06
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cmashiel...@hotmail.com wrote:

>
> Yeah, I've seen "inkjet printer" format disks I KNOW aren't going in my
> printer (which barely prints PAPER) and I didn't want to mess with
> "peel and stick" labels for each disk, so it looks like, go with
> Lightscribe or buy another printer JUST for printing labels!
>
>

I have printed and stuck hundreds of paper labels, they look pretty
good, and they're really not much trouble. Certainly easier to deal
with than the hoops you're jumping through with that Lightscribe.

There's a problem, though. The paper may unbalance the disk or add
enough mass to the disk to cause some DVD players to choke. My DVD
player (Denon) handles my labeled disks just fine, but when I lend them
to friends, they sometimes report the disks unplayable.

So I considered Lightscribe technology and decided a) the output looked
crappy; b) the Lightscribe-enabled disks cost too much; and c) the whole
thing looked like a lot of trouble.

So I bought this:

http://tinylink.com/?8mjaAoXsia

And to tide me over for a while, 200 of these:

http://tinylink.com/?wLvmvF7IFD

I don't need jewel cases, but Meritline has them too:

http://www.meritline.com/cd-jewel-case-white-tray.html

Ritek Ridata is the most dependable brand I've found. I have had no
luck whatsoever with anything else. Memorex fails half the time for me.
I bought some el cheapo Be-All disks once and found they'd record just
fine, but after about a month all the files evaporated.

The disks I'm printing on the Epson RX700 work in everybody's players
and they look super. I'm very happy with my new setup so far.

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog

J. Clarke

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May 23, 2006, 9:05:28 PM5/23/06
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cmashiel...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Tonester wrote
>
>> 1) Have you actually seen a Lightscribe label? I suspect after you see
>> how crappy it actually is you'll think twice about spending 20+ minutes
>> PER DISC to do a label.
>
> Yes, the guy at Best Buy showed me one. I was disappointed it wasn't
> in color, but what do you expect without ink? I've also seen labels
> handscrawled with Sharpies, even by people with good writing, which I
> don't have. I'll stick with Lightscribe till something better comes
> along.

Something better came along long ago. You used to be able to buy adapters
that let you run a CD through an inkjet. Now that's a standard feature on
many Epson models. An R-220 for under 100 bucks does fine, or you can go
to an R-1800 which they recommend over some of their more expensive models
for color use, or any of several models in between. Several manufacturers
produce media that is compatible with such printers, i.e. has a white
inkjet-compatible surface on the label side.

--
--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

sbt

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May 23, 2006, 10:31:20 PM5/23/06
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In article <e50cv...@news4.newsguy.com>, J. Clarke
<jclarke...@snet.net.invalid> wrote:

> cmashiel...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > Tonester wrote
> >
> >> 1) Have you actually seen a Lightscribe label? I suspect after you see
> >> how crappy it actually is you'll think twice about spending 20+ minutes
> >> PER DISC to do a label.
> >
> > Yes, the guy at Best Buy showed me one. I was disappointed it wasn't
> > in color, but what do you expect without ink? I've also seen labels
> > handscrawled with Sharpies, even by people with good writing, which I
> > don't have. I'll stick with Lightscribe till something better comes
> > along.
>
> Something better came along long ago. You used to be able to buy adapters
> that let you run a CD through an inkjet. Now that's a standard feature on
> many Epson models. An R-220 for under 100 bucks does fine, or you can go
> to an R-1800 which they recommend over some of their more expensive models
> for color use, or any of several models in between. Several manufacturers
> produce media that is compatible with such printers, i.e. has a white
> inkjet-compatible surface on the label side.
>

I have the Epson R340 and it works like a champ printing on CDs and
DVDs -- well over 600 (probably close to 800) since I received it at
Christmas. I've used Taiyo Yuden, Ritek Ridata, and TDK DVD-Rs with the
white printable surface and TDK CD-Rs with the silver printable surface
(these give a really cool 3D effect with appropriate artwork).

My LaCie external burner does LightScribe, but I tried a couple of
those discs and they have absolutely nothing to recommend them in my
opinion...they're expensive, take a l-o-n-g time to inscribe, and they
don't provide very attractive results.

--
Spenser

Gene E. Bloch

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May 23, 2006, 11:22:23 PM5/23/06
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On 5/23/2006, Martin Heffels posted this:

:-)

sgo...@changethisparttohardbat.com

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May 24, 2006, 2:06:56 AM5/24/06
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In rec.video.desktop Tonester <no...@nospam.com> wrote:
: 1) Have you actually seen a Lightscribe label? I suspect after you see how
: crappy it actually is you'll think twice about spending 20+ minutes PER DISC
: to do a label.

I actually really like the look of Lightscribe and am a happy user.

Scott

cmashiel...@hotmail.com

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May 24, 2006, 3:50:23 AM5/24/06
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Bill Anderson wrote:

> I bought some el cheapo Be-All disks once and found they'd record just
> fine, but after about a month all the files evaporated.

Now, that's just SCARY!

> The disks I'm printing on the Epson RX700 work in everybody's players
> and they look super. I'm very happy with my new setup so far.
>
> --
> Bill Anderson
>
> I am the Mighty Favog

And they are easy to do? I have an Epson Stylus Photo RX500 with not
that much wear on it yet.

Cori

cmashiel...@hotmail.com

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May 24, 2006, 3:56:57 AM5/24/06
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I'd like to at least try it before giving up, but if it proves to be
way more trouble than it's worth am open to purchasing a printer for
disk labeling if I can be reasonably sure it would easily produce
spectacular results without a lot of work and expense.

Cori

cmashiel...@hotmail.com

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May 24, 2006, 4:11:46 AM5/24/06
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J. Clarke wrote:

> Something better came along long ago. You used to be able to buy adapters
> that let you run a CD through an inkjet. Now that's a standard feature on
> many Epson models. An R-220 for under 100 bucks does fine, or you can go
> to an R-1800 which they recommend over some of their more expensive models
> for color use, or any of several models in between.

Do they still sell such adaptors? I already have an Epson Stylus Photo
RX500, so to use these color inkjet printable disks I'd be looking at
$100.00 rock bottom (another machine just to print disks, and getting
even more creative with already limited desk space) or several hundred
or more for something better, and that's not even discussing the
frighteningly short lifespan and high price of Epson ink cartridges,
when I already have the Lightscribe, but if I could just plug something
into the Epson printer I already have, I might consider it.

Cori

sgo...@changethisparttohardbat.com

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May 24, 2006, 4:53:20 AM5/24/06
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I use Nero, which includes support for Lightscribe.
The software isn't great, but after fiddling with it for a while,
I got the results I wanted.

You can experiment on the same disk over and over (in different places).
That saves money while you try different things.

I only use the highest-quality setting. It's slower, but lower quality
settings are simply worthless.

Scott


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: I'd like to at least try it before giving up, but if it proves to be

Oldus Fartus

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cmashiel...@hotmail.com wrote:

>>
>> I actually really like the look of Lightscribe and am a happy user.
>>
>> Scott
>
> I'd like to at least try it before giving up, but if it proves to be
> way more trouble than it's worth am open to purchasing a printer for
> disk labeling if I can be reasonably sure it would easily produce
> spectacular results without a lot of work and expense.
>

Results will be as spectacular as your design Cori.

I use both the Epson 210 and Epson 310 printers, and the Canon ip3000
for CD/DVD printing and they all give excellent quality. (I believe
the Canon is not sold in the US with disc printing ability.)

With the amount of money you have already spent on your project, I would
at least try the Lightscribe system before considering going to
something else.


--
Cheers
Oldus Fartus

Bill Anderson

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cmashiel...@hotmail.com wrote:
RY!
>
>> The disks I'm printing on the Epson RX700 work in everybody's players
>> and they look super. I'm very happy with my new setup so far.
>>

>

> And they are easy to do? I have an Epson Stylus Photo RX500 with not
> that much wear on it yet.
>

Very easy.

Mr. Tapeguy

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cmashiel...@hotmail.com wrote:
> With my LaCie DVD +-RW 16x4x16x Double Layer Firewire Drive connected
> to my Mac G4 and eventual goal of making a bunch of CDs and DVDs, my
> questions now are:
>
> 1. Can I have someone else burn a CD on a Lightscribe-enabled disk,
> then send me the disk to label, or must it ABSOLUTELY ALWAYS be done at
> the same time on the same machine?

As far as I am aware, Lighscribe has nothing to do with the actual
recording. It concerns the top side which is not part of the
recording process so it is irrelevant, so long as there are no
incompatibilities between Lightscribe burners and others and I'm not
aware of any. Other than that, you might look at a disc printer rather
than labels, especially for DVDs. Labeling a DVD is not only
cosmetcially less appealing but is also more likely to cause playback
problems.

> The thing is, I plan to burn the DVDs myself, but as for the CDs, I'm
> having one friend do the photo CDs and another the music CDs, as both
> are professionals with the proper expertise and equipment for these
> things, and I'd much rather pay them to do these and waste my own time
> and effort hitting my head against the wall tearing my hair out
> attempting to make DVDs only rather than throwing in negative and photo
> scanning and music. So can I go ahead and either buy blank CDs and
> supply them to my friends, or instruct them what sort to buy, then burn
> professional-looking labels using Lightscribe after the fact when the
> CDs are finished? Same question with if I burn a DVD in my player's
> burner, can I then turn around and make a label using my Lightscribe
> burner?

Lightscribe does not do professional-looking labels. It is much more
limited than a nice inkjet printer or thermal printer. I don't
reocmmend the cheap ones as they are slow and their duty cycle is short
(if you're doing any volume you're lucky if they last two months) but
some of those options can give you 4-color professional looking discs.


>
> 2. As for the DVDs. I was instructed by those in the know online to
> buy Taiyo-Yuden as the most reliable brand, in DVD-R, and ONLY DVD-R
> format. Trouble is, I didn't know at the time I asked about DVDs that
> for Lightscribe labeling to work required a disk enabled for such
> labeling. (I haven't actually MADE a label yet--but I have learned
> THAT much!) So anyhow, I went online and can't find that Taiyo-Yuden
> manufactures ANY Lightscribe-enabled disks. Please inform me if this
> is incorrect. I went to several stores, and could find
> Lightscribe-enabled DVDs ONLY in +R format. Finally, at Best Buy,
> which I figured had the best selection and price and most knowledgeable
> staff, I asked why this was. The only brand they had featuring
> Lightscribe had CDs in +R and -R but DVDs only in +R. The Best Buy
> guys told me +R was the "new standard," and -R wouldn't be made any
> more by that company if by anyone. My friend doing the music says
> they're full of it. Are the Best Buy boys full of it, or not? If they
> are, what awful thing will happen as a result of having bought +R
> rather than -R? (I found only one DVD -R Lightscribe-enabled disk
> anywhere, made by HP.)

Taiyo Yuden does make a good disc but the last time I checked
Ritek/Ridata and Verbatim had a slight edge in compatibility. TY is
still a good brand; unfortunately you have to be careful because a very
high percentage of "TY" discs are counterfeit. Be sure to by them from
a reputable source. If you use Lightscribe your choices will be
limited because there aren't that many Lightscribe burners out there so
the availability will be slim and that seems to be what you're finding.


I would suggest looking at a Rimage or Prmera printer which uses inkjet
or thermal printing if you can afford to. Then you will be able to use
commonly available inkjet or thermal printable discs, available in bulk
at a good price.

The guy at Best Buy is full of baloney. While most burners now do
either +R or -R, +R is by no means the "new standard" and if anything
has dramatically shrunk in use here in the U.S. I'm sure those "HP"
branded discs from Best Buy are also sold at a premium. Even if you
have to buy a more expensive printer you'll save money in the long run
using standard discs.


>
> If what I bought at Best Buy works, I've more than half a mind to keep
> getting disks that way, as those sold in bulk online don't include
> jewel cases. So by the time I bought a stack of disks at one place, an
> equal number of jewel cases at the same or a different place, then add
> shipping for all of the above, I'm probably spending as much or more
> than to buy them together all at once at Best Buy. IF they work, and
> IF something awful does not happen due to me having bought DVD +R
> rather than DVD -R. If something awful does happen, watch this space!

You can buy jewel cases online to go with your bulk discs. Then you
assemble them afterward and you don't have to un-shrink wrap them
beforehand, a big time waster. You should be able to buy them all at
one source (we carry both) and maybe you won't save big money but
you'll save time and have a better looking product if you get a
printer. If not, the only concern would be that your customers have
players that work with DVD+R which has been less popular here in the
states. They SHOULD work, but won't always. "New standard" - again,
complete blarney.

Hope that helps.

Craig

http://www.pro-tape.com

Fuji - MAM-A - Maxell - Panasonic - Primera - Rimage - Ritek - Sony -
TY - Verbatim

Mr. Tapeguy

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Again, they should work in most players and they will work in your
burner but older US players will get kinda iffy. You are paying a
premium though and you yourself noticed the Lightscribe doesn't looka
so good

Craig

Fuji - JVC - MAM-A - Maxell - Primera - Rimage - Ridata/Ritek - Sony -
TDK

Mr. Tapeguy

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Again, they should work in most players and they will work in your


burner but older US players will get kinda iffy. You are paying a
premium though and you yourself noticed the Lightscribe doesn't looka
so good

Craig

http://www.pro-tape.com

Tonester

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<cmashiel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Tonester wrote
>

>
> Yeah, I've seen "inkjet printer" format disks I KNOW aren't going in my
> printer (which barely prints PAPER) and I didn't want to mess with
> "peel and stick" labels for each disk, so it looks like, go with
> Lightscribe or buy another printer JUST for printing labels!

But why? You are correct about the labels as they will destroy your disc,
but why are you so against getting a nice $100 printer and doing it right?
You'll spend that much trying to get good lightscribe media that still looks
like crap. Get a printer and do it right.


Tonester

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<cmashiel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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If you can print on paper, you can print on a disc. Is your printer designed
for printing onto discs?


Tonester

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<cmashiel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I get about 500 discs from a cartridge..it's still cheaper than lightscribe
and unlike lightscribe..it looks good. It also only takes like 1 minute to
print a disc as opposed to over TWENTY for a lightscribe.


cmashiel...@hotmail.com

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Tonester wrote:

> If you can print on paper, you can print on a disc. Is your printer designed
> for printing onto discs?

No, as I stated, I have an Epson Stylus Photo RX500 and it's the Epson
Stylus Photo RX700 that's designed for printing to disks, unless
someone knows of some attachment that would enable it to. I wrote to
Epson and they wrote back saying there might be software to help design
disk labels, but no help as to how to print labels directly using that
machine.

I'm having a hard time justifying getting rid of a still-good printer
which cost several hundred $ new unless I could get some sort of money
back or trade in for it.

Cori

cmashiel...@hotmail.com

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I need help deciding what to do here! If I get a printer just to print
labels and later decide to replace my Epson Stylus Photo RX500 with an
Epson Stylus Photo RX700, (or anything else as good or better--I'm not
stuck on Epson--it's just that it hasn't given me serious
problems--YET) I'll be stuck with two printers that do the same thing.
If I were going to buy the Epson Stylus Photo RX700 anyway I'd just do
that and be done with, but the Epson Stylus Photo RX500 still has life
left in it (I think--famous last words--I haven't killed it by using
the wrong paper and ink as I did with the HP, but I haven't put much
wear on it, being frightened by the price of the ink, so after several
years it is like a near-new machine.) If I could just buy an adaptor
to enable the Epson Stylus Photo RX500 to print disks without spending
too much I'd probably do that. But if the adaptor doesn't exist or is
too much, I still have to decide between spending $100.00 just to print
disks, or spending a couple hundred $ more for a machine that will do
much more (but maybe even more than I need).

Also, I obviously need some label-designing program or software to do
this, as Lightscribe comes with the ability to place pictures with
titles, fit things within the confines of the disk, and etc., and if I
wasn't using it I'd need some way to set that up before printing.

OH, THE DECISIONS!!!

Cori

sbt

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In article <1148669109....@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
<cmashiel...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Cori,

The Epson 220, 320, and 340 all do an excellent job of printing on
discs. I often see the 220 or 320 advertised at well under $100 (often
$29 or $49 after a mail-in rebate). I have an R340 that is a workhorse
for printing photos and discs (was the Macworld Editors Choice in its
category), but also picked up a 320 on a rebate offer for $49 and the
only thing I use it for is to print discs. To give you an idea of the
volume I print, I print well over 100 CDs and DVDs per month (closer to
200 than 100).

The Epson software that comes with the printer does a pretty good job
of letting you design/print on the discs, doing all the things you want
(placing pictures, text, fitting within the boundaries, etc), but I
tend to use Discus for the printing, etc. after designing my labels in
Photoshop -- creating a template for discs is easy as you just create a
circle of about 118mm diameter and a center hole of 15mm, 22mm, 35mm,
or 41mm, depending upon what hub conditions prevail on the discs you're
printing.

--
Spenser

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sbt wrote:

> The Epson 220, 320, and 340 all do an excellent job of printing on
> discs. I often see the 220 or 320 advertised at well under $100 (often
> $29 or $49 after a mail-in rebate). I have an R340 that is a workhorse
> for printing photos and discs (was the Macworld Editors Choice in its
> category), but also picked up a 320 on a rebate offer for $49 and the
> only thing I use it for is to print discs. To give you an idea of the
> volume I print, I print well over 100 CDs and DVDs per month (closer to
> 200 than 100).
>
> The Epson software that comes with the printer does a pretty good job
> of letting you design/print on the discs, doing all the things you want
> (placing pictures, text, fitting within the boundaries, etc), but I
> tend to use Discus for the printing, etc. after designing my labels in
> Photoshop -- creating a template for discs is easy as you just create a
> circle of about 118mm diameter and a center hole of 15mm, 22mm, 35mm,
> or 41mm, depending upon what hub conditions prevail on the discs you're
> printing.
>
> --
> Spenser

You are probably right. There is a far greater number of options of
DVD -R printable disks available than DVD -R Lightscribe disks and the
prices are about half as much. Where besides the Epson site should I
look for sales of these printers? I tried Macmall.com,
Supermediastore.com, and meritline.com, and their prices for what
printers they did have were way more than just buying directly from
Epson.

Cori

cmashiel...@hotmail.com

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Has anyone here used both an Epson All-in-One and an Epson printer to
print CD or DVD labels only? How do you feel ink prices and amount of
ink used stacks up? (That is, do they use the same or different
cartridges, and are they more or less expensive and long-lasting?) I
have an Epson All-in-One (Stylus Photo RX500) with which I am happy
except for ink price and how quickly ink runs out. The only All-in-One
currently sold which will do all the Stylus Photo RX500 will AND print
disk labels is the Stylus Photo RX700 which is like $400.00. So it
looks as if I want to to all this I need to be prepared to use two
machines.

Cori

sbt

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May 26, 2006, 6:53:10 PM5/26/06
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In article <1148680765.1...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
<cmashiel...@hotmail.com> wrote:

As noted in my previous responses, I print a LOT of discs (and other
photo/photo-quality material). Essentially, I go through a set of
cartridges per month -- yellow tends to go fastest, cyan least, with
the other four (light cyan, magenta, light magenta, and black) almost
al going out about the same time for me. With Epson, you need to get
the right cartridges for the printer model you're using, and there are
a lot of options -- the R200, R300, and RX500 series use the same
cartridges (so does the RX600 series), but the RX700 uses a different
set.

Although the printer "warns" you when you use a "compatible" cartridge,
I have not found any visible difference between the Epson cartridge
results and the "MMC" compatibles that I've tried from InkMore.com --
there is a significant price differential, though.

--
Spenser

Steve King

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Listen to this man. I agree with everything above. My needs may be
different from yours, but I believe that no single printer will solve all my
problems. I have an inexpensive Samsung laser printer for black and white
printing on paper (very fast), an Epson R220, which may have cost $75 or so,
and a higher cost Epson photo printer (don't know the model # off hand) for
printing photos on photo paper. I can see if you were restricted for space
having a single printer would be desirable. But, as another poster said,
you will spend more money on Light Scribe Disks than you will on an ink-jet
printer that prints on CDs. Pay now. Or pay later and forever.

Steve King


Bill Anderson

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Currently there's a $100 rebate on the RX700. So you can get one for
about $250 plus shipping at http://tinylink.com/?oiJ9NZhgvR

cmashiel...@hotmail.com

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Bill Anderson wrote:

> Currently there's a $100 rebate on the RX700. So you can get one for
> about $250 plus shipping at http://tinylink.com/?oiJ9NZhgvR
>
> --
> Bill Anderson

That's good to know. I'm not desperate for space, but I am pressed,
and don't like the idea of having to disconnect one printer from the
computer to use another.

Cori

Bill Anderson

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May 26, 2006, 11:48:31 PM5/26/06
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The RX700 is a USB device. No need to disconnect something else to use
it, as long as you have a spare USB socket. And if you don't have a
spare, get a hub.

cmashiel...@hotmail.com

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Bill Anderson wrote:

> The RX700 is a USB device. No need to disconnect something else to use
> it, as long as you have a spare USB socket. And if you don't have a
> spare, get a hub.
>
> --
> Bill Anderson

Then it would be an option to connect both and continue using the RX500
for everything else indefinitely till it gives out, then let the RX700
just take over.

Cori

Ian Oliver

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There's been much mention here of Epson printers, but suggestions on the
web suggest it's a bit expensive to run. I have a Canon i865 that seems
to do the job very well, and the cartridges are quite cheap.

Cheers,

Ol.

cmashiel...@hotmail.com

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May 27, 2006, 4:34:28 PM5/27/06
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Thanks. I haven't committed to anything yet and was thinking Epson
only because I got one last time, because it was recommended as a good
brand after my HP choked on me. I am open and eager to hearing about
alternatives.

Cori

Art

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"sbt" <dogb...@chaseabone.com.invalid> wrote in message
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Since you've printed alot, hopefully I can pick your brain. I have an R200
(I know, old) and print on Ritek discs. I love the results but the only
problem is if the printed side gets any kind of moisture on it there is a
smear. I am using Epson ink. Have you encountered this? Is there another
type of ink I should use? Is there a coating that I can put on to protect
the printed side?

I've had to burn about 3 discs with the soccer video of last year because my
daughter or her friends have touched them with wet fingers.

TIA,
Art


Claude V. Lucas

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In article <hw_gg.133236$k%3.64599@dukeread12>,

Go to your friendly local craft store and get a spray can of clear
acrylic sealer. Set your discs printed side up on a scrap of cardboard
and spray a couple of thin coats of sealer on the discs and viola, no runs.

Claude

sbt

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In article <hw_gg.133236$k%3.64599@dukeread12>, Art
<art.no.spa...@cox.i.mean.it.com> wrote:

I haven't run into any smearing problems, so I can't really be much
help here. Even the youngest grandson (four last week) has been taught
that you only touch the disc at the edge or the hub, so I don't know
what "wet fingers" would do. I use Taiyo Yuden, TDK, and Ritek Ridata
blanks.

An acrylic spray would probably provide a protective shield, though.

--
Spenser

Rick Jones

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In comp.sys.mac.apps sbt <dogb...@chaseabone.com.invalid> wrote:
> An acrylic spray would probably provide a protective shield, though.

I suspect one would want to be sure the disc was down on a flat
surface to avoid any of the spray wafting around to the "data" side?
Not knowing any better about the chemistry I might also worry about
the solvents in the spray.

rick jones
networking guy
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The real question is "Can it be patched?"
these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)
feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH...

Hebee Jeebes

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I don't think the cost for inkjet printable CDs and ink is any worse than
labels and ink. What I don't care for when it comes to printing right on the
discs is that it can take a good amount of time for it to dry. I have the
Epson R200 and often times it can take 12 hours or more to completely dry. I
have more than a few discs that have smudged labels because of this. I don't
know if it is the Epson ink that is the problem or the special coating on
the disc.

I have also had problems with printing the labels and then burning. Nothing
is really said about which you should do first, but printing first can but
no always cause a problem when burning.

I went back to labels and gave the printer to my mom. The print quality is
very nice, but just too much trouble.

R


Bill Anderson

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I have an Epson RX700. Whenever I print a disk for which I want to have
a small inner diameter, the print software warns me that I need to allow
12 hours or so for the disk to dry. I just ignore all that and I've
never seen a smudge, not even a tiny one. I get no similar warning with
large inner diameter print jobs.

And the more I print disks, the more impressed I become. This printer
does a fantastic job printing disks. As time goes along, I may become
disillusioned because of the cost of ink cartridges, but so far I'm
doing OK. And my disks look incredibly good -- almost like originals.

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