I need a DVDR with tuner and harddrive. Can you suggest makes and models?
mm
models?
My Philips DVDR3576H broke after only 3 years. The remote and the
universal remote work but it won't respond. I think the IR in the box
itself is broken.
Is there another DVDR with a digital tuner and a hard drive and DVD
writer for sale now new? Or used?
I found one of my model on EBay but it cost almost as much as my
broken one was new, and which also has several logical flaws.
But if you only know where I can buy new or used the same Philips
DVDR3576H, I would appreciate that too.
Or a more on-topic ng or ugh, webforum.
Thanks.
P.S. Right now I can only watch the show last recorded, or the
channel it was recorded on, and only until it records something else.
Eventually the hardddrive will be filled, but I have no way to tell
how close that is!!!
Patty Winter
In article <jqdq07pubm3594p5r...@4ax.com>,
mm <NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>I need a DVDR with tuner and harddrive. Can you suggest makes and
>models?
Check here for suggestions:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=106
I just bought a Magnavox 513 after seeing them highly recommended
on that forum.
>My Philips DVDR3576H broke after only 3 years.
As you can see, there's discussion of that model on that forum.
Patty
UCLAN
> Or a more on-topic ng or ugh, webforum.
Have you lurked at:
Peter
free shipping to your nearest Walmart store. You can check it out on
the web.
I can't comment on that model, but I'm very satisfied with the Magnavox
H2160MW9 A HDD/DVD Recorder with digital tuner I've been using since 10/09.
mm
Hey, this is pretty good. I hate webforums compared to newsgroups,
but on this one it says they'll email you when someone replies! I
think you still have to go to webpage to reply to that, but still.
(It's also 1000 times harder to follow 10 threads on a webforum
compared to newsgroups where it's simple.
Thanks a lot.
mm
>On 6/30/2011 11:03 PM, mm wrote:
>> I need a DVDR with tuner and harddrive. Can you suggest makes and
>> models?
>>
>> My Philips DVDR3576H broke after only 3 years. The remote and the
>> universal remote work but it won't respond. I think the IR in the box
>> itself is broken.
>>
>> Is there another DVDR with a digital tuner and a hard drive and DVD
>> writer for sale now new? Or used?
>>
>> I found one of my model on EBay but it cost almost as much as my
>> broken one was new, and which also has several logical flaws.
>>
>> But if you only know where I can buy new or used the same Philips
>> DVDR3576H, I would appreciate that too.
>>
>> Or a more on-topic ng or ugh, webforum.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> P.S. Right now I can only watch the show last recorded, or the
>> channel it was recorded on, and only until it records something else.
>> Eventually the hardddrive will be filled, but I have no way to tell
>> how close that is!!!
>Walmart.com is selling the Magnavox Model#: MDR515H/F7 for $219 with
>free shipping to your nearest Walmart store. You can check it out on
>the web.
Tbanks a lot.
Short answer first. While I was in Ebay, I searched for the current
model and found two ads, both Buy it Now. One had ten of them
reburbished for 200 dollars free shipping, and one had ten of them
new for $275, 55 dollars more than Walmart. Why woudl anyone pay more
than retail to buy from a private party! And then if it's bad have to
mail it back instead of take it to the store. I guess because they
don't know.
Last year I saw a Kodak digital camera refurbished at a local odd lots
store for 50 dollars, but found the same thing, same color, on the web
for from 50 to 200 dollars, when they were selling new ones for 100!!!
>I can't comment on that model, but I'm very satisfied with the Magnavox
>H2160MW9 A HDD/DVD Recorder with digital tuner I've been using since 10/09.
Very good to know. I'm close to buying it.
It also has 9 buttons on the box instead of just 5 so if the IR ever
breaks, maybe I can change stations and do something else with the
other two.
It doesn't have a USB input like the Philips does, but I think on the
phikips that only works for music/sound. I have no use for that, and
I only tried it once to see if it worked. It would be nice some day
to play videos off a USB hard drive, but I doubt I'd actually do that.
It doesn't have an optical jack or HDMI either, and that's fine. I'm
glad when the things it doesn't have are things I don't want.
Sal M. Onella
You didn't mention it: Unplug, wait, plug in. I have two DVDRs and
they both go brain dead on me and that power routine fixes them. One
is a Lite-on and the other is a Protron.
micky
[Out of order)
>Walmart.com is selling the Magnavox Model#: MDR515H/F7 for $219 with
>free shipping to your nearest Walmart store. You can check it out on
>the web.
I'm glad I checked this out. The online photo of the rear looked very
much like the Philips I have (except no optical port, which I would
never use)
The front has 9 buttons instead of 5 to change channels and go from
HDD to DVD.
The MANUAL reads just like mine, even some of the drawings and screen
images are the same. IOW I'm sure it is made by the same people who
make the Philips. That's good and bad.
>I can't comment on that model, but I'm very satisfied with the Magnavox
>H2160MW9 A HDD/DVD Recorder with digital tuner I've been using since 10/09.
---end out of order--
>On 6/30/2011 11:03 PM, mm wrote:
>> I need a DVDR with tuner and harddrive. Can you suggest makes and
>> models?
Thanks again Peter, UCLAN, and Patty.
>> My Philips DVDR3576H broke after only 3 years. The remote and the
I paid 300 for my Philips, and the new model Magnavox above was 300
and marked down to 219, and the Philips 3576H on ebay sold today for
220, used, several years old!! Several bidders.
>> universal remote work but it won't respond. I think the IR in the box
>> itself is broken.
Well, this IS embarrassing. For simplicity, I didn't mention that
I've been using Powermid pyramids to control the DVDR from other
rooms.
I haven't changed anything about them, haven't moved the receiver or
any of the transmitters (one per room) around, yet somehow something
was transmitting to the receiver, which was then, via a wire,
constantly shining IR into the IR window of the DVDR. Overwhelming
whatever my remote controls could add to that.
There is a dim redlight in the pyramid-shaped receiver, but in the
bright daylight I didn't notice it and at night it was no brighter
than it has been for a couple weeks. Right now, it seems like the
transmitter in the bathroom is picking up IR from a CFL, maybe, and
ev.
IOW, the DVDR is st ill working fine,
But I"m still glad I spent the time checking out the other model.
micky
computer.
Not only did my DVDR "break" a week ago, my computer broke serously
Friday night, and when I went to the basement to use another one, and
fix the old one, the TV in the basement had stopped working.
On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 04:49:17 -0400, micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com>
wrote:
>
>There is a dim redlight in the pyramid-shaped receiver, but in the
>bright daylight I didn't notice it and at night it was no brighter
>than it has been for a couple weeks. Right now, it seems like the
>transmitter in the bathroom is picking up IR from a CFL, maybe, and
>ev.
and even when I turn the light off in the bathroom, the red light on
the transmitter in there stays on for quite a while. I guess that
transmitter is broken.
I came close to buying a new DVDR, and if you hadn't told me about
the magnavox still sold new, when I want to buy one, I might have
spent 250 for the Philips on Ebay.
Thanks to all ag ain.
Patty Winter
In article <khv2175d3qpvvpmcj...@4ax.com>,
micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 14:43:48 -0400, Peter <pk...@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>>Walmart.com is selling the Magnavox Model#: MDR515H/F7 for $219 with
>>free shipping to your nearest Walmart store.
>
>images are the same. IOW I'm sure it is made by the same people who
>make the Philips. That's good and bad.
"MAGNAVOX is a registered trademark of Philips Electronics North America
Corporation and is used by Funai Electric Co. Ltd. and Funai Corporation,
Inc. under license from Philips Electronics North America Corporation."
This is also discussed in the Magnavox/Phillips thread on AVS Forum
I mentioned to you.
Patty
micky
wrote:
>
>In article <khv2175d3qpvvpmcj...@4ax.com>,
>micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 14:43:48 -0400, Peter <pk...@netzero.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Walmart.com is selling the Magnavox Model#: MDR515H/F7 for $219 with
>>>free shipping to your nearest Walmart store.
>>
>>The MANUAL reads just like mine, even some of the drawings and screen
>>images are the same. IOW I'm sure it is made by the same people who
>>make the Philips. That's good and bad.
>
>"MAGNAVOX is a registered trademark of Philips Electronics North America
>Corporation and is used by Funai Electric Co. Ltd. and Funai Corporation,
>Inc. under license from Philips Electronics North America Corporation."
Well I guess this accounts for why they're so much alike. :)
It's good because I don't have to bemoan that Philips doesn't make
them anymore.
It's bad because that means that any flaw in the Philips design was
part of the starting point for Magnavox, and they'd have to make an
effort to fix it. If Magnavox had started from scratch, I doubt very
much they would make all of these mistakes.
Bad also because they rearranged the remote control and I'd have to
learn a whole new arrangement while getting not much of a change or
improvement from the previous one.
>This is also discussed in the Magnavox/Phillips thread on AVS Forum
>I mentioned to you.
Yeah, I meant to thank you for that.
And thanks, Sal, too.
No rush now but I'll see it within the next week or so.
>
>Patty
micky
The later model you name i dl'd the manual and it talks about
recording starting every time one turns the machine on. Does your
model do that and is it easy to override. There is a page that
discusses override info, but I didnt' understand it.
Thanks.
TJ
> Bad also because they rearranged the remote control and I'd have to
> learn a whole new arrangement while getting not much of a change or
> improvement from the previous one.
>
Pure speculation on my part, but it's possible, *possible* mind you,
that the remote from your old unit will work with a newer one from the
same manufacturer. The button arrangement is unimportant - the codes it
transmits are.
But in any case, if you are considering the Magnavox MDR515H/F7 you
might want to watch this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hls0bubpRdk
Be sure to read the entire description. His experience might not the
unit's fault, but is worth looking at, anyway.
TJ
micky
>On 07/05/2011 04:34 AM, micky wrote:
>
>> Bad also because they rearranged the remote control and I'd have to
>> learn a whole new arrangement while getting not much of a change or
>> improvement from the previous one.
>>
>Pure speculation on my part, but it's possible, *possible* mind you,
>that the remote from your old unit will work with a newer one from the
>same manufacturer. The button arrangement is unimportant - the codes it
>transmits are.
Good point, and I bought a spare at the time, because with so few
buttons on the unit, the remote is especially important.
>
>But in any case, if you are considering the Magnavox MDR515H/F7 you
>might want to watch this video...
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hls0bubpRdk
>
>Be sure to read the entire description. His experience might not the
>unit's fault, but is worth looking at, anyway.
Thanks a lot. LIstening to a live radio show now, Diane Rehm, but I
will do that.
>TJ
Peter
On the H2160MW9 A, that features is called "autostart recording". The
machine starts to record whenever the machine is turned from standby to
on; it won't automatically save the recording for later viewing,
although you can manually do that with great ease if you desire. There
is no setup option to disable this feature but it has never bothered me.
I don't use the DVR's tuner to watch broadcasts real-time, so the only
time my machine is on is when I am programming the timed recorder,
recording a program, or watching something that I have previously
recorded. The amount of wear and tear on the hard drive, and extra
electricity consumed by the unit when it is autostart recording while I
am programming timed recordings is negligible compared with the use I
give it recording programs and watching them.
According to my manual, "by using this function, you can pause or go
back for the TV program you are currently watching [I assume they mean
if you are watching via the DVR's built-in tuner], and you can also
start recording the whole program even at the middle of the TV program
[I think what they mean is that if in the middle of the program you
decide that wish you had recorded it from the beginning, the machine has
already done that for you]. The temporary recording can be made up to 6
hours of time range."
One other thing, this unit is incredibly quiet and distraction-free.
When it is on, the only way to tell (if there is any ambient noise or
sound at all) is to observe the digital display on the front. If you
listen very carefully, you will hear an occasional soft whir or click,
but almost nothing. The unit must generate very little heat because
there does not seem to be a cooling fan and both the top plate and back
seem sealed (except for the connector penetrations on the back). All
the better to keep out dust.
I know that occasionally lemons come off even the best production lines,
and you can find highly negative comments from some users on some blogs,
but I'm very pleased and wouldn't hesitate to buy another Magnavox DVR
(I think that they are made by Funai). P.S. Neither I nor any member of
my family have any personal or business relationships with the companies
involved.
Gene E. Bloch
This is the way most Cable and Satellite set-top boxes do it.
Actually, all of them, AFAICT.
--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
Patty Winter
In article <iuvbgs$edf$1...@news.albasani.net>, Peter <pk...@netzero.com> wrote:
>On 7/5/2011 4:35 AM, micky wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 14:43:48 -0400, Peter<pk...@netzero.com> wrote:
>>
>> The later model you name i dl'd the manual and it talks about
>> recording starting every time one turns the machine on. Does your
>> model do that and is it easy to override. There is a page that
>> discusses override info, but I didnt' understand it.
>
That's also what it's called on my Magnavox 513.
>According to my manual, "by using this function, you can pause or go
>back for the TV program you are currently watching [I assume they mean
>if you are watching via the DVR's built-in tuner],
I doubt that restriction applies to your unit; it doesn't to the
Magnavox. It autorecords whatever input it's tuned to.
>and you can also
>start recording the whole program even at the middle of the TV program
>[I think what they mean is that if in the middle of the program you
>decide that wish you had recorded it from the beginning, the machine has
>already done that for you].
The machine has made a temporary recording. You have to go back to the
beginning of the program and press REC in order to make a permanent
recording. Otherwise, that show will be written over in a few hours.
Patty
micky
<not...@other.invalid> wrote:
>On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 11:44:26 -0400, Peter wrote:
>
>> On 7/5/2011 4:35 AM, micky wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 14:43:48 -0400, Peter<pk...@netzero.com> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> I can't comment on that model, but I'm very satisfied with the Magnavox
>>>> H2160MW9 A HDD/DVD Recorder with digital tuner I've been using since 10/09.
>>>
>>> The later model you name i dl'd the manual and it talks about
>>> recording starting every time one turns the machine on. Does your
>>> model do that and is it easy to override. There is a page that
>>> discusses override info, but I didnt' understand it.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> On the H2160MW9 A, that features is called "autostart recording". The
>> machine starts to record whenever the machine is turned from standby to
>> on; it won't automatically save the recording for later viewing,
>> although you can manually do that with great ease if you desire. There
>> is no setup option to disable this feature but it has never bothered me.
If it doesnt' bother you, that's very important to me. It still
might bother me, but I can live iwth it. (In fact, on balance, it
still pleases me that I noticed this in advance.)
>> I don't use the DVR's tuner to watch broadcasts real-time, so the only
I do that a lot, because it's in the central place, connected to the
attic antenna. I have a settop box there too (with an A-B switch, so
I can record one station and still watch another live) and I have a
set-top box in another room on the second floor. On the first floor I
think reception will be worse. .
>> time my machine is on is when I am programming the timed recorder,
>> recording a program, or watching something that I have previously
>> recorded. The amount of wear and tear on the hard drive, and extra
>> electricity consumed by the unit when it is autostart recording while I
>> am programming timed recordings is negligible compared with the use I
>> give it recording programs and watching them.
Okay. I've taken more and more to watching the recorded version,
even if I'm only 5 seconds behind live. For one thing., I can stop
and read text that is embedded in movies, like signs and postal
letters that are part of the plot, or crime scenes. Or see things I
missed when I was not paying attention or getting something from the
stove.
For another, one of my tvs seems to have bad sound -- only notice it
rarely -- and my ear seems to be giving me a problem too, so I rewind
15 seconds and play it again. Only rarely does that help, but making
the sound louder often lets me hear more detail. Going upstairs to a
better tv helps a lot more. (I'll replace the tv in the kitchen but
the one in the basement just failed entirely, about 6 years after I
found it on the curb, and I have to replace that first.)
It has to do with digital I'm sure. I'm sure that whole syllables
are missing, even when I play it three times and loudly. I still have
some videotape movies I bought at the library for a dollar, and once I
connect my mult-room remote to the VCR too, I'm going to run tests on
the sound quality of videotape. Pretty sure it will be higher and
without humanly audible flaws.
And my digital sound is recorded over the air, which I'm told has no
compression and is the best kind of digital sound (and picture) when
the reception is not below par.
Back to the paragraph I'm replying to, Sort of as Gene points out,
thhe auotrcording is I think an example of ether dvdr design moving
closer to cable dvdr design, or actual DVDR production starting with a
cable dvdr.
I don't have cable but I think this somehow has to with not having to
syncrhonize two timers. Do cable boxes have timers that switch
channels, and do they have a way to turn on the tunerless DVDR?. If
the recording starts automatically when the dvdr box is turned on,
that's one thing the cable box doesn't have to do.
>> According to my manual, "by using this function, you can pause or go
>> back for the TV program you are currently watching [I assume they mean
>> if you are watching via the DVR's built-in tuner], and you can also
>> start recording the whole program even at the middle of the TV program
>> [I think what they mean is that if in the middle of the program you
>> decide that wish you had recorded it from the beginning, the machine has
>> already done that for you]. The temporary recording can be made up to 6
>> hours of time range."
>>
>> One other thing, this unit is incredibly quiet and distraction-free.
>> When it is on, the only way to tell (if there is any ambient noise or
>> sound at all) is to observe the digital display on the front. If you
>> listen very carefully, you will hear an occasional soft whir or click,
>> but almost nothing. The unit must generate very little heat because
>> there does not seem to be a cooling fan and both the top plate and back
>> seem sealed (except for the connector penetrations on the back). All
>> the better to keep out dust.
Quiet is good. I don't hear my Philips fan, but my Philips and the
515 magnavox do show a little fan, only 2 inches x 2, on the back
The two bumps on the top left and bottom left of it were big clues to
me that they were made by the same company.
>> I know that occasionally lemons come off even the best production lines,
>> and you can find highly negative comments from some users on some blogs,
>> but I'm very pleased and wouldn't hesitate to buy another Magnavox DVR
>> (I think that they are made by Funai). P.S. Neither I nor any member of
>> my family have any personal or business relationships with the companies
>> involved.
So you say, but I have in my hand a list of Board members and your
sister-in-law's name is on it.
>
>This is the way most Cable and Satellite set-top boxes do it.
>
>Actually, all of them, AFAICT.
Thanks to both of you.
Gordon Burditt
> rarely -- and my ear seems to be giving me a problem too, so I rewind
> 15 seconds and play it again. Only rarely does that help, but making
> the sound louder often lets me hear more detail. Going upstairs to a
> better tv helps a lot more. (I'll replace the tv in the kitchen but
> the one in the basement just failed entirely, about 6 years after I
> found it on the curb, and I have to replace that first.)
>
> It has to do with digital I'm sure. I'm sure that whole syllables
> are missing, even when I play it three times and loudly. I still have
One of the first artifacts you notice with OTA digital TV when
there's a storm approaching is brief audio dropouts. It is most
noticible when there is background music and that goes briefly quiet
along with any voices. As reception gets worse, you may see blocking
and brief freezeups. It can get bad enough to not detect a signal
at all.
> some videotape movies I bought at the library for a dollar, and once I
> connect my mult-room remote to the VCR too, I'm going to run tests on
> the sound quality of videotape. Pretty sure it will be higher and
> without humanly audible flaws.
>
> And my digital sound is recorded over the air, which I'm told has no
> compression and is the best kind of digital sound (and picture) when
> the reception is not below par.
The quality of videotape won't help if the audio glitches happen before
the signal gets to your house.
micky
Burditt) wrote:
>> For another, one of my tvs seems to have bad sound -- only notice it
>> rarely -- and my ear seems to be giving me a problem too, so I rewind
>> 15 seconds and play it again. Only rarely does that help, but making
>> the sound louder often lets me hear more detail. Going upstairs to a
>> better tv helps a lot more. (I'll replace the tv in the kitchen but
>> the one in the basement just failed entirely, about 6 years after I
>> found it on the curb, and I have to replace that first.)
>>
>> It has to do with digital I'm sure. I'm sure that whole syllables
>> are missing, even when I play it three times and loudly. I still have
>
>One of the first artifacts you notice with OTA digital TV when
>there's a storm approaching is brief audio dropouts. It is most
>noticible when there is background music and that goes briefly quiet
>along with any voices. As reception gets worse, you may see blocking
>and brief freezeups. It can get bad enough to not detect a signal
>at all.
That happens too, and that I can allow for. What gets me, and sorry,
I wasn't clear, are times when there is no silence in the middle of
the word but a syllable is still skipped. Sometimes it's easy to
figure out what the word is and sometimes the word is so mangled I
can't do it. And it happens in good weather too, both here and
everywhere between here and the station. Day and night maybe but I
havent' kept track of that. (I will.)
>> some videotape movies I bought at the library for a dollar, and once I
>> connect my mult-room remote to the VCR too, I'm going to run tests on
>> the sound quality of videotape. Pretty sure it will be higher and
>> without humanly audible flaws.
>>
>> And my digital sound is recorded over the air, which I'm told has no
>> compression and is the best kind of digital sound (and picture) when
>> the reception is not below par.
>
>The quality of videotape won't help if the audio glitches happen before
>the signal gets to your house.
Right. I'm going to compare it with commercial movie tapes I bought
from the library, and I have a couple I bought retail. This is mostly
to calibrate my hearing, since I have some noise in one ear now. and I
need to get straight if and how much that affects my hearing. It
doesn't bother me when I llisten to the radio, or just now when I
played a 50's sitcom on Hulu. But I also want to do this with TV,
and replayable, so I can check it out on every tv I use, 5 of them in
practice.
Another interesting thing is that whenever I turn on a lamp or ceiling
light and probalby other things, there is a drop out of the sound for
about a second, even on playback. Even when the lights are 20 feet
from the DVDR and the tv. Unless I have it backwards, when I turn
the light off, the sound doesn't show this. I asked in an
electronics ng and no one knew of such a thing!
Peter
>> On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 11:44:26 -0400, Peter wrote:
>>> I don't use the DVR's tuner to watch broadcasts real-time, so the only
>
> I do that a lot, because it's in the central place, connected to the
> attic antenna. I have a settop box there too (with an A-B switch, so
> I can record one station and still watch another live) and I have a
> set-top box in another room on the second floor. On the first floor I
> think reception will be worse. .
>
Micky, I've deleted most of your recent post to address the 1 statement
you made (above) about recording 1 show while watching another live.
I too do not have cable/satellite/FIOS and receive over-the-air signals.
In addition, I too have a set top box (Roku). There is no need for
A/B switching to watch 1 station while recording another simultaneously.
(In fact, you can watch something you previously recorded on the DVR
while recording something else at the same time! You can also watch the
playback of a recording while the recording is still being made.)
The Magnavox DVR has an RF cable input and output jack. Plug your
antenna wire into the DVR input and run a short cable from the DVR
output jack to the antenna input jack on the back of your TV. In
addition, you should connect the DVR's audio and video outputs to an
auxiliary input of your TV using the highest quality connection common
to both (HDMI>Component>S-Video>Composite). When the the DVR is off,
the cable signal is passed through the DVR to the TV with a gentle
amplification to compensate for internal circuity signal strength
losses. When the DVR is on, you can either watch "live" broadcasts by
setting the TV's input to the TV's built in tuner, or monitor the output
of the DVR (playback from the HDD or a DVD, or from the DVR's tuner) by
setting the TV's input selection to the auxiliary input to which you
have connected the DVR's output. This type of wiring setup is not
unique to DVRs. I used to set up my VCRs the same way more than a
decade ago.
The audio and video outputs of the set top box are connected to a second
auxiliary input on the TV (makes no sense to me to want to record
something off the Roku as everything there is available on demand).
However, if I did want to have the option of recording something from
the set top box, I could plug the outputs of the set top box into one of
the auxiliary inputs on the DVR instead of the TV. (When you program
the DVR to record, one of the setting choices is the source to be
recorded. Of course this wouldn't work for unattended timer recording
with a Roku because no one would be there to command the Roku to start
streaming.)
Lots of flexibility available. Hope this helps.
Gene E. Bloch
It might be worth noting that the live recording buffer is finite (well,
of course - we don't have infinite time!). Joking aside, what I really
mean is that it's short. My cable box has a 30 minute maximum recording
buffer, so even when I do what you suggest, I miss everything from
before the last half hour of programming. There are other surprises, but
I've only been "surprised" a couple of times, and I never figured out
what went wrong.
Also the buffer is reset and starts form zero when you switch channels,
although in a dual tuner box like mine, when you switch tuners, the
separate recording streams are not lost. I believe this is true of many,
if not most, dual-tuner DVRs.
Patty Winter
In article <1vn62y6hpv3pq$.dlg@stumbler1907.invalid>,
Gene E. Bloch <not...@other.invalid> wrote:
>
[unneeded quotage deleted]
>> In article <iuvbgs$edf$1...@news.albasani.net>, Peter <pk...@netzero.com> wrote:
>>
>>>and you can also
>>>start recording the whole program even at the middle of the TV program
>>>[I think what they mean is that if in the middle of the program you
>>>decide that wish you had recorded it from the beginning, the machine has
>>>already done that for you].
>>
>> The machine has made a temporary recording. You have to go back to the
>> beginning of the program and press REC in order to make a permanent
>> recording. Otherwise, that show will be written over in a few hours.
>
>It might be worth noting that the live recording buffer is finite (well,
>of course - we don't have infinite time!). Joking aside, what I really
>mean is that it's short. My cable box has a 30 minute maximum recording
>buffer, so even when I do what you suggest, I miss everything from
>before the last half hour of programming.
Oh, okay. As I mentioned, the buffer on my DVDR is several hours, I
think six.
Patty
Gene E. Bloch
I'm jealous.
Yeah, 30 minutes is way too short, but since this is a high-def
recorder, six hours would use up a lot of space.
I was looking at some docs yesterday, and if I recall correctly, the
hard drive will only hold about ten hours of HD. If I recall
incorrectly, it's not much more.
Good thing I just checked the docs - I did not remember correctly, not
even close.
My DVR has a 500GB drive, good for 160 to 300 hours of SD and 40 to 60
hours of HD. The HD numbers are doubled if MPEG-4 recording is used.
The 500GB figure comes from a maintenance/setup screen, but the PDF I
got from Motorola only tabulates capacity for 160, 250, and 320 GB. I
doubled the 250, and I am *assuming* that the whole 500GB can be used
:-)
So, what's their excuse for limiting the recording buffer to a half
hour? Possibly it's just grandfathered in from the older machinery.
Gordon Burditt
> got from Motorola only tabulates capacity for 160, 250, and 320 GB. I
> doubled the 250, and I am *assuming* that the whole 500GB can be used
> :-)
If the OS [*] takes up 80GB, then the video capacity for 320GB might
be *four times* the video capacity for 160GB. If you've got capacity
for 3 sizes, you can tell if it's going up linearly. I would hope
that if Motorola advertises a 500GB drive, all of it can be used
for something, without running into some BIOS, hd controller, or
driver limitation.
[*] in addition to the OS, there might be guide information and
indexes for it that takes up a lot of space, if your DVDR supports
that. I would not expect the OS or guide data to be nearly 80GB,
though. The OS might not even be on the disk at all - it might
all be in flash.
> So, what's their excuse for limiting the recording buffer to a half
> hour? Possibly it's just grandfathered in from the older machinery.
If you can record 40-60 hours of HD, and your buffer is 24 hours,
then you have room for 16-36 hours of permanent recordings. If you
have 24 hours for *each tuner* with two tuners, you have 0-12 hours
of permanent recording space. Some people might consider this a
poor tradeoff. I think on such a machine that a 2-hour buffer would
be worthwhile (lots of movies last two hours), but much over 4 hours
is wasting disk space. On most machines, you lose the buffer every
time you change live tv channels. Also, remember that the buffer buffers
only one channel, and that flips around depending on what recordings
you schedule.
Gene E. Bloch
>> The 500GB figure comes from a maintenance/setup screen, but the PDF I
>> got from Motorola only tabulates capacity for 160, 250, and 320 GB. I
>> doubled the 250, and I am *assuming* that the whole 500GB can be used
>> :-)
>
> If the OS [*] takes up 80GB, then the video capacity for 320GB might
> be *four times* the video capacity for 160GB. If you've got capacity
> for 3 sizes, you can tell if it's going up linearly.
It's pretty linear or I wouldn't have said what I said.
> I would hope
> that if Motorola advertises a 500GB drive, all of it can be used
> for something, without running into some BIOS, hd controller, or
> driver limitation.
Motorola doesn't *advertise* a 500 GB drive. As I already said, I found
the capacity in a maintenance menu. Moreover, Motorola is the OEM, not
the provider of the box to the end user.
BTW, the Motorola data sheet that I downloaded doesn't even mention a
hard drive.
> [*] in addition to the OS, there might be guide information and
> indexes for it that takes up a lot of space, if your DVDR supports
> that. I would not expect the OS or guide data to be nearly 80GB,
> though. The OS might not even be on the disk at all - it might
> all be in flash.
As I said in this reply, it's reasonably linear.
>> So, what's their excuse for limiting the recording buffer to a half
>> hour? Possibly it's just grandfathered in from the older machinery.
>
> If you can record 40-60 hours of HD, and your buffer is 24 hours,
> then you have room for 16-36 hours of permanent recordings. If you
> have 24 hours for *each tuner* with two tuners, you have 0-12 hours
> of permanent recording space. Some people might consider this a
> poor tradeoff. I think on such a machine that a 2-hour buffer would
> be worthwhile (lots of movies last two hours), but much over 4 hours
> is wasting disk space. On most machines, you lose the buffer every
> time you change live tv channels. Also, remember that the buffer buffers
> only one channel, and that flips around depending on what recordings
> you schedule.
As I already said, my buffer is 30 minutes. And believe it or not, I
have no control over that. Also, I was saying it in the context of the
poster I replied to (Patty Winter), who believes their machine has a six
hour buffer.
As I already said, my device loses the old buffer when you change
channels. And as I already implied by reporting the effect of swapping
tuners, the machine records on both channels simultaneously.
micky
wrote:
>I need a DVDR with tuner and harddrive. Can you suggest makes and
>models?
I just got an email about one that is not Philips or Magnavox afaik
It's Brite View, whatever that is.
brite View BV980H Digital Antenna HD DVR with 320GB (BV-980H)
View other products
Model: BV980H
Availability: In Stock
Everything you need for watching and recording HD with the
over-the-air digital broadcasts.(MPEG-2 and MPEG-4). More >
? Supports Real-time, EPG / Scheduled Recording and
Time-Shifting Function
? Records Analog Video Contents from Other STB, Blu-ray or DVD
Player
? ATSC & Clear OAM Digital TV Reception
? Terrestrial 8VSB & 64/256 QAM Demodulation
? Dolby Digital (AC-3) Audio Decoding
Our Price: $199.99
MSRP: $299.99 You Saved $100.00
It doesn't use the term Over the air, or OTA, only antenna, and it
doesn't use the term Hard Drive or HDD (and when it says HD it means
High Def.)
So googling for this would not be very successful.
But I'm not recommending it for someone like me or you. It's jack
panel in back is too simple. No S-video that I need for my S-video
balun, that I use to connect to the computer 70 feet away, 100 feet if
I go by way of the attic.
I get email ads from Solidsignal.com and unlike most ads, i like
theirs. They sell a lot of antennas, so it's not surprising they sell
at least one ota dvdr.
They aslso sell Channel Master CM7000PAL I don't know what PAL
means here, if it only works in Europe. I don't think it means that.
Peter
> On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 23:03:48 -0400, mm<NOPSAM...@bigfoot.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I need a DVDR with tuner and harddrive. Can you suggest makes and
>> models?
>
> I just got an email about one that is not Philips or Magnavox afaik
>
> It's Brite View, whatever that is.
>
> http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=BV980H&d=brite-View-BV980H-Digital-Antenna-HD-DVR-with-320GB-%28BV980H%29&c=HD%20DVR&sku=
>
> brite View BV980H Digital Antenna HD DVR with 320GB (BV-980H)
> View other products
> Model: BV980H
> Availability: In Stock
> Everything you need for watching and recording HD with the
> over-the-air digital broadcasts.(MPEG-2 and MPEG-4). More>
> ? Supports Real-time, EPG / Scheduled Recording and
> Time-Shifting Function
> ? Records Analog Video Contents from Other STB, Blu-ray or DVD
> Player
> ? Terrestrial 8VSB& 64/256 QAM Demodulation
> ? Dolby Digital (AC-3) Audio Decoding
> Our Price: $199.99
> MSRP: $299.99 You Saved $100.00
>
> It doesn't use the term Over the air, or OTA, only antenna, and it
> doesn't use the term Hard Drive or HDD (and when it says HD it means
> High Def.)
>
> So googling for this would not be very successful.
>
> But I'm not recommending it for someone like me or you. It's jack
> panel in back is too simple. No S-video that I need for my S-video
> balun, that I use to connect to the computer 70 feet away, 100 feet if
> I go by way of the attic.
>
> I get email ads from Solidsignal.com and unlike most ads, i like
> theirs. They sell a lot of antennas, so it's not surprising they sell
> at least one ota dvdr.
>
>
> They aslso sell Channel Master CM7000PAL I don't know what PAL
> means here, if it only works in Europe. I don't think it means that.
Micky, It seems likely that English may not be your first language and
therefore, you might have missed the following additional information
about the Brite view unit that was clearly contained on the web page
from the link you included (above). Among the list of specifications
are the words: "2.5" 320GB HDD Built-in HDD Format Compatability: NTFS,
FAT 16/32". Also, at least in the U.S., over-the-air reception means
the same thing as using an antenna for reception. Additionally, if you
go to www.brite-view.com you can learn a little more about that company.
(I didn't know the web site but google provided it as the first "hit"
when I put the name into the search box.)
As far as the Channel Master CM7000PAL, it too is a HDD DVR and is
compared feature for feature in the chart on the Brite view web page
reference you provided. For further info about it, just put "CM7000PAL"
(without the quotation marks) into any of the popular search engines.
You will find many useful "hits" about it. Channel Master is based in
Mesa, Arizona, USA. One quick glance at the unit's owner's manual (see
the Channel Master web site for the link) makes it clear that the unit
is designed for use in the US. It seems to be a coincidence that the
model number includes the letters "PAL" which, I agree, at first thought
might have made someone wonder if the unit is intended for use where tvs
use the PAL instead of NTSC encoding.
Suggestion: Spend a little more time with search engine research and
you will commonly find answers to most of your technical questions. I
found all the information I've included (above) in less than 3 minutes
of searching and reading.
micky
I didn't notice that. I don't think it was in the first 10 lines.
>FAT 16/32". Also, at least in the U.S., over-the-air reception means
>the same thing as using an antenna for reception. Additionally, if you
I know they mean the same but I had only been googlling on OTA and "
over the air". Now I have to google on one more thing, and get more
false hits in the bargain.
>go to www.brite-view.com you can learn a little more about that company.
> (I didn't know the web site but google provided it as the first "hit"
>when I put the name into the search box.)
>
>As far as the Channel Master CM7000PAL, it too is a HDD DVR and is
>compared feature for feature in the chart on the Brite view web page
>reference you provided. For further info about it, just put "CM7000PAL"
>(without the quotation marks) into any of the popular search engines.
>You will find many useful "hits" about it. Channel Master is based in
>Mesa, Arizona, USA. One quick glance at the unit's owner's manual (see
>the Channel Master web site for the link) makes it clear that the unit
>is designed for use in the US. It seems to be a coincidence that the
>model number includes the letters "PAL" which, I agree, at first thought
>might have made someone wonder if the unit is intended for use where tvs
>use the PAL instead of NTSC encoding.
>
>Suggestion: Spend a little more time with search engine research and
>you will commonly find answers to most of your technical questions. I
Ah. The question marks at the start of several lines were some other
character before I copied and pasted. Sorry. I myself didn't have
any questions.
>found all the information I've included (above) in less than 3 minutes
>of searching and reading.
I only posted for the benefit of others who are reading or will google
this thread, to have all the makes and models in one thread.
Also not for me but for completeness, I found one more
http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=TCD746320&d=TiVo-TCD746320-Series4-Premiere-45-Hour-HD-DVR-%28TCD746320%29&c=HD%20DVR&sku=
It's by TIVO, only 100 dollars except you have to subscribe to TIVO,
but it also has over the air reception, which is good. Around here,
the cable company has local network stations but not the network
stations 45 miles away, which I can get with an antenna, and which
have different programs from the stations here when it's not prime
time, or when a local sports team is on tv.