What is a good UHF and VHF combiner to get?
Ant
What is a good UHF and VHF combiner to get to combine a Terk rabbit ear
and a DB2 bowtie antenna? I can confirm that both antennae are decent
separately on certain channels in sweet spots (in my room's closet,
high). It would be nice to combine instead of swapping when I need to
and buying a new antenna.
I have these local retail stores (hope it can be returned too): Best
Buy, Radio Shack (read that theirs is not a true combiner?), Costco,
Fry's Electronics, Wal-Mart, Sears, and Target.
Thank you in advance. :)
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Wes Newell
> What is a good UHF and VHF combiner to get to combine a Terk rabbit ear
> and a DB2 bowtie antenna?
Try a reversed rf splitter first. It will probably work fine. Keep the
feed lengths as close to the same as possible.
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wbertram
> Hello.
>
> What is a good UHF and VHF combiner to get to combine a Terk rabbit ear
> and a DB2 bowtie antenna? I can confirm that both antennae are decent
> separately on certain channels in sweet spots (in my room's closet,
> high). It would be nice to combine instead of swapping when I need to
> and buying a new antenna.
>
> I have these local retail stores (hope it can be returned too): Best
> Buy, Radio Shack (read that theirs is not a true combiner?), Costco,
> Fry's Electronics, Wal-Mart, Sears, and Target.
>
> Thank you in advance. :)
I recently purchased one from Radio Shack. They have two
models with different connectors (Type F vs. screw type). I
checked it out on a spectrum analyzer for in-band and
out-of-band attenuation, and in real use. It works quite well.
stra...@yahoo.com
This is a rare occasion when I disagree. With his 2 different types of
antennas mounted who knows where relative to each other will actually
lose / re-tramsmit signals. It's much better to use the UHF/VHF
splitter backwards as a diplexer / combiner.
In LA I checked ITC, Ametron, Signal Electronics (Torrance) and
Torrance Electronics besides Rat shack. Ametron had a Winegard in a
stamped aluminum box (not watertight) for $28. ITC, Signal and
Torrance had nothing. I bought the Rat Shack 15-2586 for $15.39 and
it's working very well combining a Winegard SquareShooter on the roof
and a Winegard all channel in the rafters of the garage. Since the
antennas don't share spectrum space, the lead length (45 ft from
garage and 20 ft from roof) is not an issue. Spectrrum analyzer and
DTV receivers all agree - it works well.
G²
Ant
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:40:58 -0700, Ant wrote:
>
>> What is a good UHF and VHF combiner to get to combine a Terk rabbit ear
>> and a DB2 bowtie antenna?
>
> Try a reversed rf splitter first. It will probably work fine. Keep the
> feed lengths as close to the same as possible.
How does that work coax cables for connections? I don't know what a
reversed rf splitter is. Please note that I am an AV newbie. :(
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Ant
> This is a rare occasion when I disagree. With his 2 different types of
> antennas mounted who knows where relative to each other will actually
> lose / re-tramsmit signals. It's much better to use the UHF/VHF
> splitter backwards as a diplexer / combiner.
>
> In LA I checked ITC, Ametron, Signal Electronics (Torrance) and
> Torrance Electronics besides Rat shack. Ametron had a Winegard in a
> stamped aluminum box (not watertight) for $28. ITC, Signal and
> Torrance had nothing. I bought the Rat Shack 15-2586 for $15.39 and
> it's working very well combining a Winegard SquareShooter on the roof
> and a Winegard all channel in the rafters of the garage. Since the
> antennas don't share spectrum space, the lead length (45 ft from
> garage and 20 ft from roof) is not an issue. Spectrrum analyzer and
> DTV receivers all agree - it works well.
According to http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1036829
forum thread, VHF/UHF Gold-Plated Splitter-Combiner (Model: 15-2586 |
Catalog #: 15-2586) is not a good one and the RS' description is
incorrect. :( So I am confused. Will this not work or avoid it? Or am I
misreading/misunderstanding it?
Thank you in advance. :)
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Ant
> I recently purchased one from Radio Shack. They have two models with
> different connectors (Type F vs. screw type). I checked it out on a
> spectrum analyzer for in-band and out-of-band attenuation, and in real
> use. It works quite well.
Is it this one?
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103923 ... What
is "Type F"?
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stra...@yahoo.com
> On 6/30/2009 12:09 PM PT, wbertram typed:
>
> > I recently purchased one from Radio Shack. They have two models with
> > different connectors (Type F vs. screw type). I checked it out on a
> > spectrum analyzer for in-band and out-of-band attenuation, and in real
> > use. It works quite well.
>
> is "Type F"?
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That splitter is the one I used in 90274. "Type F" refers to the rounf
75 ohm coaxial connector like on TVs. 2 screws side by side is for 300
ohm "twin lead". In theory it has lower loss but in practice it tends
to be troublesome which is why nearly everything uses the coax
connectors.
G²
Wes Newell
> According to http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1036829
> forum thread, VHF/UHF Gold-Plated Splitter-Combiner (Model: 15-2586 |
> Catalog #: 15-2586) is not a good one and the RS' description is
> incorrect. :( So I am confused. Will this not work or avoid it? Or am I
> misreading/misunderstanding it?
You can do what you want, but I used a standard $1 RF splitter backwards
for a year or more and it work well combining my UHF and VHF antenna with
the stations 40+ miles out. I later just removed the VHF antenna as the
UHF antenna (CM4228) received channels 7 and up just fine.
--
Wes Newell
> How does that work coax cables for connections? I don't know what a
> reversed rf splitter is. Please note that I am an AV newbie. :(
You've got to be kidding me.
http://www.broadwaywholesale.com/200-202.html
Ant
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:28:08 -0700, Ant wrote:
>
>> How does that work coax cables for connections? I don't know what a
>> reversed rf splitter is. Please note that I am an AV newbie. :(
>
> You've got to be kidding me.
>
> http://www.broadwaywholesale.com/200-202.html
Oh, I already tried those regular coax splitters ("RF" part confused me)
to split from an antenna into various devices (TV, VCRs, and TV tuners).
I also tried reversing the splitter to see what happened. I think I have
this one (not sure if it is the same exact model, but did buy it from a
local Radio Shack store):
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062051 ... I
don't think these can combine. From what I understand, I need a combiner.
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Ant
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:35:37 -0700, Ant wrote:
>
>> According to http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1036829
>> forum thread, VHF/UHF Gold-Plated Splitter-Combiner (Model: 15-2586 |
>> Catalog #: 15-2586) is not a good one and the RS' description is
>> incorrect. :( So I am confused. Will this not work or avoid it? Or am I
>> misreading/misunderstanding it?
>
> You can do what you want, but I used a standard $1 RF splitter backwards
> for a year or more and it work well combining my UHF and VHF antenna with
> the stations 40+ miles out. I later just removed the VHF antenna as the
> UHF antenna (CM4228) received channels 7 and up just fine.
So you used one of these
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062051 and
reversed it? Hmm, I wonder why it didn't work when I tried it last time.
I thought I needed a combiner, not a splitter (even in reversed).
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summer." --Proverbs 30:25 (Bible)
Wes Newell
> On 7/1/2009 12:17 AM PT, Wes Newell typed:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:28:08 -0700, Ant wrote:
>>
>>> How does that work coax cables for connections? I don't know what a
>>> reversed rf splitter is. Please note that I am an AV newbie. :(
>>
>> You've got to be kidding me.
>>
>> http://www.broadwaywholesale.com/200-202.html
>
> Oh, I already tried those regular coax splitters ("RF" part confused me)
> to split from an antenna into various devices (TV, VCRs, and TV tuners).
> I also tried reversing the splitter to see what happened. I think I have
> this one (not sure if it is the same exact model, but did buy it from a
> local Radio Shack store):
> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062051 ... I
> don't think these can combine. From what I understand, I need a
> combiner.
Well, I sure as heck wouldn't use a 4 way splitter to try and combine 2
antennas, but a 2 way splitter reversed to combine worked fine for me. Of
course I had real antennas, not rabbit ears and a single bow tie.
David
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> On 6/30/2009 12:09 PM PT, wbertram typed:
>
>> I recently purchased one from Radio Shack. They have two
>> models with different connectors (Type F vs. screw type).
>> I checked it out on a spectrum analyzer for in-band and
>> out-of-band attenuation, and in real use. It works quite
>> well.
>
> Is it this one?
> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103923
> ... What is "Type F"?
> --
That is just an all band RF splitter. What you really want
is usually called a band separator which has filters in them
and provide close to lossless splitting and combining.
David
stra...@yahoo.com
It LOOKS like a vanilla splitter in the photo but it is indeed a UHF /
VHF band separator. It has ports clearly marked UHF and VHF.
G²
Ant
>>>> How does that work coax cables for connections? I don't know what a
>>>> reversed rf splitter is. Please note that I am an AV newbie. :(
>>> You've got to be kidding me.
>>>
>>> http://www.broadwaywholesale.com/200-202.html
>> Oh, I already tried those regular coax splitters ("RF" part confused me)
>> to split from an antenna into various devices (TV, VCRs, and TV tuners).
>> I also tried reversing the splitter to see what happened. I think I have
>> this one (not sure if it is the same exact model, but did buy it from a
>> local Radio Shack store):
>> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062051 ... I
>> don't think these can combine. From what I understand, I need a
>> combiner.
>
> Well, I sure as heck wouldn't use a 4 way splitter to try and combine 2
> antennas, but a 2 way splitter reversed to combine worked fine for me. Of
> course I had real antennas, not rabbit ears and a single bow tie.
Hmmm, I will try a two splitter ones.
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endure much leisure." --Gerald Brenan
Ant
>>> I recently purchased one from Radio Shack. They have two models with
>>> different connectors (Type F vs. screw type). I checked it out on a
>>> spectrum analyzer for in-band and out-of-band attenuation, and in
>>> real use. It works quite well.
>>
>> Is it this one?
>> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103923 ... What
>> is "Type F"?
>
> That is just an all band RF splitter. What you really want is usually
> called a band separator which has filters in them and provide close to
> lossless splitting and combining.
Hmm OK. So the link I posted is not the one I want then. Thanks.
Know of any good one from local retail stores (e.g., Best Buy, Costco,
Fry's Electronics, Wal-Mart, Sears, Amazon.com [have gift cards])?
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being." --Norbert Wiener
Ant
How can you tell from that tiny photograph/photo. with UHF and VHF
connectors?
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wbertram
> On 6/30/2009 12:09 PM PT, wbertram typed:
>
>> I recently purchased one from Radio Shack. They have two models with
>> different connectors (Type F vs. screw type). I checked it out on a
>> spectrum analyzer for in-band and out-of-band attenuation, and in real
>> use. It works quite well.
>
> Is it this one?
> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103923 ... What
> is "Type F"?
No, I was referring to either the Radio Shack Model: 15-1296
or Model: 15-1297
UCLAN
>>> According to http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1036829
>>> forum thread, VHF/UHF Gold-Plated Splitter-Combiner (Model: 15-2586 |
>>> Catalog #: 15-2586) is not a good one and the RS' description is
>>> incorrect. :( So I am confused. Will this not work or avoid it? Or am I
>>> misreading/misunderstanding it?
>>
>> You can do what you want, but I used a standard $1 RF splitter
>> backwards for a year or more and it work well combining my UHF and VHF
>> antenna with the stations 40+ miles out. I later just removed the VHF
>> antenna as the UHF antenna (CM4228) received channels 7 and up just fine.
>
> So you used one of these
> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062051 and
> reversed it? Hmm, I wonder why it didn't work when I tried it last time.
> I thought I needed a combiner, not a splitter (even in reversed).
If you want to do it right, use one of these:
http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=UVSJ
Simple splitters used backwards will pass any VHF that the UHF antenna
receives, and any UHF that the VHF antenna receives. These signals
normally cause reception problems.
stra...@yahoo.com
On 7/1/2009 6:56 AM PT, stratu...@yahoo.com typed:
> > It LOOKS like a vanilla splitter in the photo but it is indeed a
UHF /
> > VHF band separator. It has ports clearly marked UHF and VHF.
>
> How can you tell from that tiny photograph/photo. with UHF and VHF
> connectors?
> --
When you hold it in your hands at the store, it's plainly visible. Now
unless they have a 2 port splitter for $15.39, I might have given you
the wrong stock number but I bought one 2 weeks ago.
G²
stra...@yahoo.com
>
> If you want to do it right, use one of these:
>
> http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=UVSJ
>
> Simple splitters used backwards will pass any VHF that the UHF
antenna
> receives, and any UHF that the VHF antenna receives. These signals
> normally cause reception problems.
I wish I had stumbled on to this site 2 weeks ago. That's the price
it's SUPPOSED to be. The only site I found that day offered 2 for $6
but the shipping was $10 so I grudgingly bit the bullet and bought the
Radio Shack spliitter and got it working.
G²
Techcom
as a combiner. Thing is, you lose 3.5 DB on both legs of the splitter. It
should pass all the VHF and UHF frequencies.
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at Signal about a year ago. And have already
lost one. Would like to buy a couple more.
Saw the same out on the web ... somewhere.
Seems to work.
Is there really anything in it different
than a simple splitter? I wonder.
J.
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stra...@yahoo.com
> I would say that a splitter with a passband of 5 to 1000MHZ would
work fine
> as a combiner. Thing is, you lose 3.5 DB on both legs of the
splitter. It
> should pass all the VHF and UHF frequencies.
The insertion loss is a problem especially with signals as low as from
rabbit ears. The real problem is the phase cancelation from the second
antenna. On a spectrum analyzer it's exactly the same a multipath -
because it's multipath. The UHF/VHF band separator running in reverse
will reduce the UHF in the VHF port and vice versa such that the phase
cancelations won't happen.
G²
UCLAN
> I bought a couple of $5 VHF/UHF converters
> at Signal about a year ago. And have already
> lost one. Would like to buy a couple more.
http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=UVSJ
> Saw the same out on the web ... somewhere.
>
> Seems to work.
>
> Is there really anything in it different
> than a simple splitter? I wonder.
Yes, a filter to remove VHF from the UHF side and UHF from the VHF side.
Out-of-phase signals can have negative effects on dual antenna systems.
Ant
> When you hold it in your hands at the store, it's plainly visible. Now
> unless they have a 2 port splitter for $15.39, I might have given you
> the wrong stock number but I bought one 2 weeks ago.
Thanks. I think I will pick one up this weekend.
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nature with a strength much greater than my size so I might cope with
the weight of a racism that crushes my spirit." --Miriam Makeba
Ant
Ah. How do I use those for my coax cables? They don't look like plugging
cables into them and screwing.
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thudded over the mossy floor. "These are of no more significance than
the scurryings of ants to the wide universe, and are unaffected by
planetary movements." --Harry Potter book
Ant
> If you want to do it right, use one of these:
>
> http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=UVSJ
>
> Simple splitters used backwards will pass any VHF that the UHF antenna
> receives, and any UHF that the VHF antenna receives. These signals
> normally cause reception problems.
Is this brand and model sold in any local retail stores like Best Buy,
Radio Shack (didn't see it), Costco, Sears, Fry's Electronics, etc.? Or
even Amazon (gift cards). I don't use credit cards.
--
"Did the ant fall off the toilet seat because she was pissed off?" --unknown
UCLAN
>> If you want to do it right, use one of these:
>>
>> http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=UVSJ
>>
>> Simple splitters used backwards will pass any VHF that the UHF antenna
>> receives, and any UHF that the VHF antenna receives. These signals
>> normally cause reception problems.
>
> Is this brand and model sold in any local retail stores like Best Buy,
> Radio Shack (didn't see it), Costco, Sears, Fry's Electronics, etc.? Or
> even Amazon (gift cards). I don't use credit cards.
Dunno. Try phoning a few places. Independent TV stores or antenna installers
might be your best bet. Not necessary to use the exact brand/model. I know
that Winegard, Channelmaster, etc., make similar products.
Online is easier. Curious as to why you shun credit cards.
UCLAN
> Oh, I already tried those regular coax splitters ("RF" part confused me)
> to split from an antenna into various devices (TV, VCRs, and TV tuners).
> I also tried reversing the splitter to see what happened. I think I have
> this one (not sure if it is the same exact model, but did buy it from a
> local Radio Shack store):
> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062051 ... I
> don't think these can combine. From what I understand, I need a combiner.
You might also consider:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062059
Ant
I see a coax connection on the top port, but the bottom two don't seem
to have coax connections? How does that work if all my connections are
coax-based?
--
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UCLAN
>> You might also consider:
>>
>> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062059
>
> I see a coax connection on the top port, but the bottom two don't seem
> to have coax connections? How does that work if all my connections are
> coax-based?
or similar. Not pretty, but it will do the conversion. Or, you can search for
the right part locally. Or, you can get the right part at the URL I previously
gave you, or at:
http://yhst-18278607509093.stores.yahoo.net/pico-0389.html
BTW, at the first URL, they *DO* accept a check, money order, phone orders,
Google payment, paypal, etc.
You've been given the info for *what* you need, and *how* to get it. Now
all you have to do is to actually *do* it.
Ant
> Ant wrote:
>
>>> You might also consider:
>>>
>>> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062059
>>
>> I see a coax connection on the top port, but the bottom two don't seem
>> to have coax connections? How does that work if all my connections are
>> coax-based?
>
> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103912&x=11&retainProdsInSession=1&y=3&numProdsPerPage=40
Thanks!
> or similar. Not pretty, but it will do the conversion. Or, you can
> search for
> the right part locally. Or, you can get the right part at the URL I
> previously
> gave you, or at:
>
> http://yhst-18278607509093.stores.yahoo.net/pico-0389.html
>
> BTW, at the first URL, they *DO* accept a check, money order, phone orders,
> Google payment, paypal, etc.
Oh! Where did you see the check one? I didn't see it listed. I even
e-mailed them about it, but not never got a reply. :(
> You've been given the info for *what* you need, and *how* to get it. Now
> all you have to do is to actually *do* it.
Yeah.
--
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in the pants?! Ants in the Pants?!! ..." --Eric Cartman in South Park's
Damien Episode (Season 1; Episode 8)
UCLAN
>> BTW, at the first URL, they *DO* accept a check, money order, phone
>> orders, Google payment, paypal, etc.
>
> Oh! Where did you see the check one? I didn't see it listed. I even
> e-mailed them about it, but not never got a reply. :(
http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=UVSJ
Check instructions at:
Ant
Thanks! I am not sure if I want to deal with this place if I still
haven't gotten a reply. What if something goes wrong with my order
(e.g., never got it) or something. :(
--
"Oh, good morning, my little worker ants! That's just a figure of
speech; I would NEVER compare you to insects. At least not after that
sensitivity training seminar those maggots at the network forced me to
attend!" --Kay, Murphy Brown
UCLAN
>> http://www.solidsignal.com/payment_terms.asp
>
> Thanks! I am not sure if I want to deal with this place if I still
> haven't gotten a reply. What if something goes wrong with my order
> (e.g., never got it) or something. :(
[sarcastic mode: ON]
Gee...no email reply over the Independence Day weekend? Those scoundrels.
You'd think the CEO himself would be around answering emails about $5 parts.
And to think, I first gave you the URL THREE WHOLE DAYS AGO! Scoundrels, I
tell you. Scoundrels.
[sarcastic mode: OFF]
If you ordered with a credit card, you'd just call the cc company and
have the charges removed.
Kalarama
> Thanks! I am not sure if I want to deal with this place if I still haven't
> gotten a reply. What if something goes wrong with my order (e.g., never
> got it) or something. :(
I bought a dish-pointing meter from solidsignal, they were okay.
I'm surprised they even have their own forum.
http://forums.solidsignal.com/index.php
Ant
> I'm surprised they even have their own forum.
>
> http://forums.solidsignal.com/index.php
Nice.
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would take about a million ants just to aim a gun at me, let alone fire
it. And you know what I'm doing while they're aiming it at me? I just
sort of slip off to the side, and then suddenly run up and kick the gun
out of their hands." --Jack Handy from Saturday Night Live
Ant
> If you ordered with a credit card, you'd just call the cc company and
> have the charges removed.
Yeah, if I had one. :P
--
"Even an ant can hurt an elephant." --Proverb
Ant
> > unless they have a 2 port splitter for $15.39, I might have given you
> > the wrong stock number but I bought one 2 weeks ago.
>
> Thanks. I think I will pick one up this weekend.
I think I forgot to mention this. It doesn't seem like I will need a
combiner since I was able to get all my important channels with an
upside down Terk rabbit ears antenna (not full lengths at 180 degrees
flat and pointing north [Mt. Wilson's transmitters in L.A. area] and
south) only in my closet. Funny how my rabbit ears does better than my
bowtie now. :/
Sal M. Onella
"Ant" <ant...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I think I forgot to mention this. It doesn't seem like I will need a
> combiner since I was able to get all my important channels with an
> upside down Terk rabbit ears antenna (not full lengths at 180 degrees
> flat and pointing north [Mt. Wilson's transmitters in L.A. area] and
> south) only in my closet. Funny how my rabbit ears does better than my
> bowtie now. :/
LA channels 7, 9 11 and 13 are back on those originally assigned channels.
Before the Transition, their digitals were all on temporary UHF freqs --
great for that ol' bowtie. It's physically too small for proper VHF
reception. Enter the rabbit ears.
That combiner might still be of value if you wish to receive certain
channels on UHF through the same cable (and you experience some trouble with
just the rabbit ears).
Here are a few of interest on UHF: KCBS-DT is on 43, KNBC-DT is on 36,
KTLA-DT is on 31, KCET-DT is on 28, KOCE is on 48.
Sal
Ant
> Here are a few of interest on UHF: KCBS-DT is on 43, KNBC-DT is on 36,
> KTLA-DT is on 31, KCET-DT is on 28, KOCE is on 48.
Terk rabbit ear antenna can pick up all those up which is amazing for
UHF channels to me. I thought it was only good for high VHF channels
(7-13)!
However, both antennae cannot get KLCS 58, but I don't need it that
badly (really rare that I watch PBS stations these days).
--
"Caution is not cowardice; even the ants march armed." --Ugandan Proverb
TJ
> On 7/13/2009 12:16 AM PT, Sal M. Onella typed:
>
>> Here are a few of interest on UHF: KCBS-DT is on 43, KNBC-DT is on 36,
>> KTLA-DT is on 31, KCET-DT is on 28, KOCE is on 48.
>
> Terk rabbit ear antenna can pick up all those up which is amazing for
> UHF channels to me. I thought it was only good for high VHF channels
> (7-13)!
>
> However, both antennae cannot get KLCS 58, but I don't need it that
> badly (really rare that I watch PBS stations these days).
I ran out of bowties before I could equip all of my TVs, so I used a set
of the rabbit ears that came with the set on one I don't watch so much.
That would be the simple ones with a peg-like base that just drops into
a little holder somewhere on the top of the cabinet.
All the digital stations in the Syracuse area are and will remain on
UHF. With the ears fully contracted (about 8 inches each) that antenna
pulls all but the weakest just fine most of the time, with just a few
glitches on the second-weakest - which happens to be on the highest
frequency.
TJ
Sal M. Onella
> On 7/13/2009 12:16 AM PT, Sal M. Onella typed:
>
> > Here are a few of interest on UHF: KCBS-DT is on 43, KNBC-DT is on 36,
> > KTLA-DT is on 31, KCET-DT is on 28, KOCE is on 48.
>
> Terk rabbit ear antenna can pick up all those up which is amazing for
> UHF channels to me. I thought it was only good for high VHF channels
> (7-13)!
< snip >
What you've discovered is that any ol' piece of wire is an antenna. (Top
performance comes with matching the size and shape of the antenna to a
particular frequency band.) I can get a half-dozen stations with a
foot-long hunk of insulated wire clipped to the center pin of the coaxial
cable.
I get some of the LA UHF digitals OK on my VHF-HIGH antenna. And, going far
back in time, I recall that our first TV set, in 1951, eventually got a nice
attic antenna, but for the first week, we had a piece of lampcord laying on
the floor behind the set, one end attached to one of the twinlead screws.
Worked well enough to watch TV.
Sal
Leonard Caillouet
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When in the field and want a quick tuner check, I often take a roll of
solder and unwind a bit, then stick the end in the antenna connector. I can
usually get something if there is any signal nearby.
Leonard
Sal M. Onella
"Leonard Caillouet" <nos...@noway.com> wrote in message
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> When in the field and want a quick tuner check, I often take a roll of
> solder and unwind a bit, then stick the end in the antenna connector. I
can
> usually get something if there is any signal nearby.
Ditto.
Sal