Prolonged human lifespan and existance of vampires... note B
SeekerSA
Prolonged human life and existence of vampires... note B.
Several weeks ago I posted a report on the first airing of a national news
report which described a genetic/cellular "mistake" which results in ageing.
The scientists responsible stated that finding this "mistake" is a major step
toward correcting this mistake and thus extending the human lifespan. This was
the first official airing of information which is included on my site.
Information which I have stated that real doctors would release as they became
ready to do so.
And now there is another small element which has been released, today
January 1, 1998. The national TV show INNOVATION has covered several methods
of making it safe for the elderly to live longer lives. Everything from
special pads to protect the elderly from broken hip bones to electrodes
implanted in the brains of humans to control and lessen the symptoms of palsy.
At the end of this show they stated that due to these and other discoveries
the normal, average human life span is expected to reach 100 years in our life
times.
Just another small release of information, a trickle in the torrent that is
to come within the next three years.
Oh, I fully realize that this post will be jumped on and I shall be called a
liar by one of the 'clickish' 25 who founded this board. As always, after
all I was called a liar just to report my site hit over 2 million visits. (This
site IS listed with 35 of the major, popular search engines and 2 international
search engines) I expect this kind of abuse of anything I post. I continue to
do so, even though I was asked and then ordered not to post here, in the hope
some of the more silent readers have more open minds and at least will read and
perhaps remember where you heard it first. In the end they shall all have the
proof they say does not exist and when presented with such proof from other
authorities they will still insist it is all lies.
In time even the 25 here will know the truth, as will we all.
Catherene
Jarno Uurainen
SeekerSA <seek...@aol.com> wrote:
: And now there is another small element which has been released, today
: January 1, 1998. The national TV show INNOVATION has covered several
Blah blah. Again you try to credit your lies by something which
has nothing to do with a virus which causes vampirism.
: I expect this kind of abuse of anything I post.
Yes. Nobody is picking on you. It is your own posts, unproven
claims, which are causing people to reply the way they do.
: some of the more silent readers have more open minds
Being open-minded does not mean blind belief.
You made claims. You were asked to provide some evidence.
You failed to do this and made up excuses. Why do you think
you should be taken seriously now?
: proof they say does not exist and when presented with such
: proof from other authorities they will still insist it is all lies.
Oh, which proof, from which authorities? I've seen no such proof.
Could you mail it to me or at least provide some references?
-Jake
Chooch
SeekerSA wrote:
>
> Prolonged human life and existence of vampires... note B.
> Several weeks ago I posted a report on the first airing of a national news
> report which described a genetic/cellular "mistake" which results in ageing.
> The scientists responsible stated that finding this "mistake" is a major step
> toward correcting this mistake and thus extending the human lifespan. This was
> the first official airing of information which is included on my site.
> Information which I have stated that real doctors would release as they became
> ready to do so.
>
at the time:
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Try not to depend too much on TV news for your scientific information.
To quote from an newspaper article written by Richard A. Knox of the
Boston "Globe":
"...The findings, published in the journal "Cell", stems from work on a
rare human disorder called Werner's syndrome. Because of a gene
mutation, affected individuals appear normal until their teen years,
then develop signs of accelerated aging and die in their 30s.
Guarente and Sinclair have been deciphering the mechanisms
behind an
analogous gene defect in yeast that causes the single-celled organism to
become infertile, show signs of aging, and die after a lifespan half
that of normal yeast cells."
Don't confuse Werner's syndrome with the normal aging process.
One question: Are David A. Sinclair and Leonard Guarente the "two
medical doctors" you have been refering to?
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BTW, you never did answer that question. Also, your original post on
this was on 12/26/97, this latest one on 1/1/98. How does 6 days become
"several weeks"?
>
> And now there is another small element which has been released, today
> January 1, 1998. The national TV show INNOVATION has covered several methods
> of making it safe for the elderly to live longer lives. Everything from
> special pads to protect the elderly from broken hip bones to electrodes
> implanted in the brains of humans to control and lessen the symptoms of palsy.
> At the end of this show they stated that due to these and other discoveries
> the normal, average human life span is expected to reach 100 years in our life
> times.
Do you have _any_ sources of information other than television?
> Just another small release of information, a trickle in the torrent that is
> to come within the next three years.
> Oh, I fully realize that this post will be jumped on and I shall be called a
> liar by one of the 'clickish' 25 who founded this board. As always, after
> all I was called a liar just to report my site hit over 2 million visits. (This
> site IS listed with 35 of the major, popular search engines and 2 international
> search engines) I expect this kind of abuse of anything I post. I continue to
> do so, even though I was asked and then ordered not to post here, in the hope
> some of the more silent readers have more open minds and at least will read and
> perhaps remember where you heard it first. In the end they shall all have the
> proof they say does not exist and when presented with such proof from other
> authorities they will still insist it is all lies.
> In time even the 25 here will know the truth, as will we all.
> Catherene
"Ordered" not to post here? By whom? When?
You were told that your site counter was in error. You continued to
insist that it was accurate, and said that any of the GeoCities
community leaders would back you up yet managed to ignore the posting
from Lucadra, who is not only an Area 51 community leader (where your
site is), but who is also the person who set your site up on GeoCities
in the first place. In plain, simple English she said your counter was
bogus and told you why.
Yet here you are, still insisting on a count that is demonstrably false.
Catherene, I call you a liar. (And I am not one of the "25" who founded
this newsgroup.) Your willingness to twist information and ignore facts
that contradict you mark you as a liar and a charlatan.
Catherene, you get called a liar in this newsgroup for the simple reason
that you post lies here. Whining when you get caught at it doesn't add
any validity to your garbage. If you want people to stop calling you a
liar, try posting accurate, verifiable information for a change.
Richard Morrison
Trickster
seek...@aol.com (SeekerSA) wrote:
> Oh, I fully realize that this post will be jumped on and I shall be called a
>liar by one of the 'clickish' 25 who founded this board.
It's not a board. And I dunno how many of the people who
founded the group are even still around.
>As always, after
>all I was called a liar just to report my site hit over 2 million visits. (This
>site IS listed with 35 of the major, popular search engines and 2 international
>search engines)
* yadda yadda, snipping the rest*
It IS like talking to a brick wall.
You were NOT called a liar for reporting only that.
We're simply trying to tell you that you are mistaken
and that the geocities counters WERE SCREWED
UP and you need to reset them. This is a known
fact, whatever geocities may be telling you at the
moment.
sheesh.
And i didn't know that there even WERE 35 "major,
popular" search engines. I can think of a small
handful of the more popular ones.
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Little Ninja
Trickster wrote:
> It IS like talking to a brick wall.
Unlike a brick wall, which is by far MUCH more fun,
we can't scribble, write, defecate, spray paint, make
pretty or gum-wad her. What a pity :>
-Eliza,
oh so many people, so few spit balls...
Chiller
SeekerSA wrote:
> Prolonged human life and existence of vampires... note B.
> Several weeks ago I posted a report on the first airing
> of a national news
> report which described a genetic/cellular "mistake" which
> results in ageing.
> The scientists responsible stated that finding this
> "mistake" is a major step
> toward correcting this mistake and thus extending the
> human lifespan. This was
> the first official airing of information which is included
> on my site.
> Information which I have stated that real doctors would
> release as they became
> ready to do so.
I meant to pick this up when I saw your original post, but
I've been out of the country for a short while, so I'm going
to pick it up now.
Actually the fact that genes reproduce themselves less and
less reliably has been known among geneticists and
gerontologists for a long while. Even I heard about it a
couple of years ago, and I'm only a lay-person with no
knowledge in this area at all. This discovery is not "news"
in itself, unless someone has come up with a specific reason
why this disintegration starts to occur.
Check out http://www.arclab.org/ ... I'll quote you a wedge
of it, with particular reference to the function of genes in
the ageing process ...
"Genetic regulation of aging. /Osiewacz HD
".... In particular, the genetic information located in
the mitochondria has been identified as a major genetic
component. Instabilities of the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA)
lead to mitochondrial dysfunction and increased oxidative
stress. In
some cases mtDNA instabilities are related to the activity
of mobile genetic elements. In addition, nuclear genes
appear to be crucially involved in mtDNA maintenance.
Furthermore, the initial analysis of a few cloned nuclear
genes affecting life span suggests a cellular machinery
dealing with various stress situations as a major component
involved in the genetic control of aging. This conclusion
may hold true for all biological systems and be related to a
unified mechanism of aging. "
> And now there is another small element which has been
> released, today
> January 1, 1998. The national TV show INNOVATION has
> covered several methods
> of making it safe for the elderly to live longer lives.
> Everything from
> special pads to protect the elderly from broken hip bones
What a breakthrough. In fact if your scientists were
anywhere close to cracking the genetic "key" to ageing, they
wouldn't be focussing on hip-pads to protect brittle and
low-density bones, but would in fact be more interested in
discovering the cause of post-menopausal osteoporosis, which
is the largest factor (to my knowledge) involved when
looking at broken hips in the elderly. I am sure if one
wished to wrap the elderly in cotton wool and prevent them
from moving, they'd live a bit longer. Doesn't sound like a
terribly constructive thing to me, though.
> to electrodes
> implanted in the brains of humans to control and lessen
> the symptoms of palsy.
Once again, this is a symptom-treatment and has nothing
whatsoever to do with knowledge of the genes which control
the ageing system in human beings. Electrodes which emit
pulses to counteract the well known shaking caused by
diseases such as Parkinson's are simply making the lives of
the elderly more bearable, they are not in any way
preventing the next generation of wrinklies (or indeed,
younger people) from developing the condition themselves.
Having said that, I sincerely hope the electrode therapy
works, as the drug therapies available for those with severe
Parkinson's disease are pretty wretched, from what I've
heard.
> At the end of this show they stated that due to these
> and other discoveries
> the normal, average human life span is expected to reach
> 100 years in our life
> times.
The average human lifespan keeps increasing as our knowledge
about what can and cannot kill us expands, leading us to eat
better food (hence people have also got taller...), take
fewer physical risks (ie wearing seatbelts etc) and
generally preserve ourselves reasonably well. From my
experience most people seem to be popping their clogs in
their late 80s or early 90s these days anyway (I can't back
that up with any demographic information as that is not
really a field I have any interest in). So of course the
average human lifespan will reach 100 in our lifetime. So
what? Will we have electrodes in our heads and padded
arses? Is this a good thing?
Based on my experience, if one is going to slough this
mortal coil through old age, a longer lifespan is not
necessarily a good thing. I'd rather look and feel
reasonably healthy until I hit 75, then get knocked off by a
massive heart attack, then sit in my own rotting body at 85
or 90 and watch it collapse around me in my last 15 years or
so, as I stagger dessicatedly towards 100.
> Just another small release of information, a trickle in
> the torrent that is
> to come within the next three years.
I don't think hip pads qualify as even a trickle.
> Oh, I fully realize that this post will be jumped on
> and I shall be called a
> liar by one of the 'clickish' 25 who founded this board.
I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that I was
not one of the "25" and still am not. I just don't think
this "news" is new.
> I continue to
> do so, even though I was asked and then ordered not to
> post here,
I don't remember you being ordered off the newsgroup.
> in the hope
> some of the more silent readers have more open minds and
> at least will read and
> perhaps remember where you heard it first. In the end
> they shall all have the
> proof they say does not exist and when presented with such
> proof from other
> authorities they will still insist it is all lies.
> In time even the 25 here will know the truth, as will
> we all.
> Catherene
While the prospect of gene therapy for ageing is certainly
not without the realms of possibility, we are nowhere close
to yet achieving this. You claim that vampirism is linked
to /being used in gerontological/genetic research, but it
seems to me that the research being conducted in this area
has nothing to do with vampirism in *any* form I am familiar
with. It is simply research into ageing, and the cellular,
environmental and genetic mechanisms which cause or
facilitate this process. Those scientists are more likely
to be using lichen as an example of mindblowing longevity
than they are vampires.
Quite apart from anything else, if one were foolish enough
to grant a human being a long lifespan, or worse,
immortality - what the hell would they *do* with it?
I shudder to think.
Chiller
May your Dreams be Merry and Bright.
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