Psychic Vampyres
Moksha Na-Q'allitauk
I am looking for any information concerning psychic vampyres. I have already
read through the alt.vampyres.FAQ as well as using Yahoo and didn't find
any information that I didn't already know which is not all that much.
Can one be born a psychic vampyre? Does a psychic vampire have a mortal life
span? Can a psychic vampyre turn a normal human into a psyhic vampyre?
If someone can please point me in the right direction it would be greatly
appreciated.
- Moksha Na-Q'allitauk
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Cliff Goodman
Moksha Na-Q'allitauk (cr...@nova.dreamscape.com) writes:
> I am looking for any information concerning psychic vampyres. I have already
> read through the alt.vampyres.FAQ as well as using Yahoo and didn't find
> any information that I didn't already know which is not all that much.
There's not a whole lot of info on them, on the web. Nor off for that
matter. You'll find that many here define them differently, and that
there's as much agreement as disagreement.
> Can one be born a psychic vampyre? Does a psychic vampire have a mortal life
> span? Can a psychic vampyre turn a normal human into a psyhic vampyre?
In order: yes, yes (so far as has been seen, perhaps a titch longer) and
no (not really, well... that's a tricky question).
> If someone can please point me in the right direction it would be greatly
> appreciated.
Th' elf points both inward and outward.
Seek and ye shall find, or so it's said.
Asking questions is a good place to start.
Th' Elf
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Euronymous
In article <4m5ooq$h...@newsfeed.dreamscape.com>, cr...@nova.dreamscape.com (Moksha Na-Q'allitauk) writes:
>
>I am looking for any information concerning psychic vampyres. I have already
>read through the alt.vampyres.FAQ as well as using Yahoo and didn't find
>any information that I didn't already know which is not all that much.
>
>span? Can a psychic vampyre turn a normal human into a psyhic vampyre?
>
>appreciated.
>
You might want to check with (groan) Temple Of The Vampire, or possibly some of
Aleister Crowley's writings. There seems to be a lot of psychic vampirism in both.
Good to see more interest in psychic vampires, I find that aspect more interesting.
I wouldn't know if one can be born a psychic vampire or if all of them or mortal or
not, but I hold everything with a pretty open minded outlook these days, so...you
never know. I think all of your questions can be answered with a yes and no.
Anyways...
Euronymous
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Chris McMullen aka Dr Fooms
Moksha Na-Q'allitauk wrote:
>
> I am looking for any information concerning psychic vampyres. I have already
> read through the alt.vampyres.FAQ as well as using Yahoo and didn't find
> any information that I didn't already know which is not all that much.
>
> Can one be born a psychic vampyre? Does a psychic vampire have a mortal life
> span? Can a psychic vampyre turn a normal human into a psyhic vampyre?
>
> If someone can please point me in the right direction it would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
Wandering slightly off topic, does anyone remember a movie called
'LifeForce' ? It was a top fillum, and had these Psychic vamps
(aliens, I think), who went around draining the vitae from people...
their victims then became sort of demi vampires...
Well worth watching....
--
The Abominable Dr Fooms... sccm...@ucsalf.ac.uk
Mr C Newman
In article <318897FF...@ucsalf.ac.uk>,
Chris McMullen aka Dr Fooms <sccm...@ucsalf.ac.uk> writes:
>
>Wandering slightly off topic, does anyone remember a movie called
>'LifeForce' ? It was a top fillum, and had these Psychic vamps
>(aliens, I think), who went around draining the vitae from people...
>their victims then became sort of demi vampires...
>
>Well worth watching....
....if only for the fact the main alien never wore anything, right? :)
Awooga, awooga, there's a spoiler coming up.
Awooga, awooga, it's a spoiler and it's still coming up.
You have been warned.
If you don't like spoilers, press "n"
They were an alien race found on a spaceship in a comet by a shuttle.
They'd cannibalised themselves down to three and gone into suspended
animation (or maybe they'd drained the prey they took along, we may
never know) when the shuttle crew found them. They took their forms
from the shuttle crews' minds. One (with the womanly form) woke up on
the shuttle and nabbed a crewmember with lovely lightning effect from
mouth and eyes, and left only a charred corpse, suggesting `she''d
drained his chemical energy too.
The hero ejects and blows the shuttle apart, or somesuch, but the aliens
make it down and start draining ppl, who then reanimate and start acting
as conduits to funnel energy to the `woman', who passes it back up to
their ship. Meanwhile the hero is having an affair with her in ongoing
dreams, until he finally finds her, finds out he's one of them too (!)
and kills the two of them while making love in the middle of the energy
upflow, and they then flow up it themselves in a horrendously cheesy
ascent-into-heaven-in-each-others'-arms effect.
Overall, not too bad.
Sableagle
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cr...@nova.dreamscape.com (Moksha Na-Q'allitauk) wrote:
}I am looking for any information concerning psychic vampyres. I have already
}read through the alt.vampyres.FAQ as well as using Yahoo and didn't find
}any information that I didn't already know which is not all that much.
}Can one be born a psychic vampyre?
Yes, but it is probably may be more of a learned or aquired talent.
} Does a psychic vampire have a mortal life span?
More or less, Yes, I think so.
}Can a psychic vampyre turn a normal human into a psyhic vampyre?
It depends on the people involved. It can be something that can be teached to
another, but in someone else it can just click on, or even always be there.
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Sean Wilde u
There has been some discussion as to what a psychic vampyre is. I would
like to try to explain that if I may. Firstly, just because a person is
emotional, empathic or in tune with another's feelings doesn't make them
a psi-vamp (PV). A PV is something that actually drains the lifeforce or
psychic energy or emotional/mental energy or another being. There are
two main types of PVs: human and inhuman.
Inhuman: these creatures/entities exist on the astral plane and drain
the energy of living beings. A vampyre who astral travels could also
fall under this category. These creatures may or may not need the energy
to survive.
Human: Two main types: Those born with the ability and those who have
trained the ability. Those born with it need the energy to survive.
Without it they become ill, depressed and suicidal.
Those who trained the ability may or may not be addicted to the
energy but for whatever reason have developed a taste for it and want it
for some personal reason.
This is what I'm talking about whenever I discuss PVs. When I talk about
possible cures I'm refering to human PVs who have been born with the
ability to drain others.
Hope this clears up any misconceptions!
Sean
Enigmatist
I think that we all agree with this description. I personally continue to
bring the human element into the argument because (and I TRULY hate to be
so redundant) the charactaristics of PV are specifically charactaristics
of general human emotion that are magnified to uncommon (and perhaps
immeasurable) states. However, I agree with the "clinical" definintion
you offer.
Thomas
Enigmatist
Sean Wilde u
I just had a thought! (Rare I know), if human beings in general need to
interact between each other (especially babies) in order to function, a
form of as some people said psychic vampyrism; then this would insinuate
(again as someone already said) we are all "psi-vamps" to a certain
extent. While I don't know if I agree with the last part, it made me
think of something. Could people who are born psi-vamps actually have a
chemical imbalance which affects their need for human
energy/emotion/lifeforce? Many psi-vamps tend to be depressive or manic
depressive, could this be the cause? Are all natural(born) psi-vamps
depressive or manic depressive? Or do they all share some other
imbalance in brain chemistry? If so, the cure would be simple
(relatively), find what the imbalance is and balance it!
Sean
(who thinks he might be onto something...)
Barbara Jean Kuehl
From wild...@mach1.wlu.ca (Sean Wilde u):
> I just had a thought! (Rare I know), if human beings in general need to
> interact between each other (especially babies) in order to function, a
> form of as some people said psychic vampyrism; then this would insinuate
> (again as someone already said) we are all "psi-vamps" to a certain
> extent. While I don't know if I agree with the last part, it made me
> think of something. Could people who are born psi-vamps actually have a
> chemical imbalance which affects their need for human
> simple (relatively), find what the imbalance is and balance it!
I have often wondered that myself. It certainly seems to be proving
true with a lot of the traditional mental illnesses, such as
schizophrenia, manic-depression, even the 'winter blahs'.
Unfortunately, we're back to the unanswered question about what
'energy' is it that psivamps are actually consuming and, until we
can identify and measure that energy, we don't stand much of a
chance of finding the chemical (or chemicals) which function in
the process.
Vampire researchers, unite! There is work to be done.
^V^ Baby Jinx ^V^
Enigmatist
> > chemical imbalance which affects their need for human
> > energy/emotion/lifeforce? ...[snip] If so, the cure would be
> > simple (relatively), find what the imbalance is and balance it!
>
> I have often wondered that myself. It certainly seems to be proving
> true with a lot of the traditional mental illnesses, such as
> schizophrenia, manic-depression, even the 'winter blahs'.
This is taking an odd turn. Am I backing down from the "Crayola 64
color pack" version of understanding to the "16 pack" by reading that
psychic vampirism might be a form of mental illness? :)
> Unfortunately, we're back to the unanswered question about what
> 'energy' is it that psivamps are actually consuming and, until we
> can identify and measure that energy, we don't stand much of a
> chance of finding the chemical (or chemicals) which function in
> the process.
I've never considered for a moment that vampirism in any form is the
result of an endocrinological imbalance. Wow. If it were for some
form(s) of vampirism, well, Sean, we may have a cure for you. (Of
course, if we discover what that imbalance is, there still wouldn't
be a Nobel in it for us, as "Vampires Don't Exist"! <big grin>)
Back to our show... Might we speculate as to the form or type of
energy that is consumed? In observing the practice, and in reading
of it (I'll bring a nice title tomorrow for review), the material
consumed by vampires of any sort always seems to involve the "vitae"
or actual life bearing force (be it blood or otherwise) from a victim.
(for my benefit, as I need some clarity, let's eliminate the "Astral
Vampire" from this argument, and stick to the "Magnetic Vampire")
A reference case to begin this discussion:
Mollie Flancher, a clairvoyant, cited in Scott Rogo's _In-Depth
Analysis of the Vampire Legend (sept. 1968), was kept under observation
for many years do to some condition unrelated to this point. The case
history notes that pets she attempted to keep would decline and soon
die, with no physical evidence that might serve to idnetify the reason
(fueling the speculation that they were sapped of psychic energy).
>
> Vampire researchers, unite! There is work to be done.
I'm working! I'm working! <<<slave driver grmblgrmbl>>> :)
Thomas
Enigmatist
Barbara Jean Kuehl
From Enigmatist <TGr...@NWlink.com>:
> Barbara Jean Kuehl wrote:
>>
>> From wild...@mach1.wlu.ca (Sean Wilde u):
>> > Could people who are born psi-vamps actually have a
>> > chemical imbalance which affects their need for human
>> > energy/emotion/lifeforce? ...[snip] If so, the cure would be
>> > simple (relatively), find what the imbalance is and balance it!
>>
>> I have often wondered that myself. It certainly seems to be proving
>> true with a lot of the traditional mental illnesses, such as
>> schizophrenia, manic-depression, even the 'winter blahs'.
>
> This is taking an odd turn. Am I backing down from the "Crayola 64
> color pack" version of understanding to the "16 pack" by reading that
> psychic vampirism might be a form of mental illness? :)
Well, think about it a litte more. We have so far hypothesized
that all human beings (except maybe for the mad bomber) need to
exchange energy with other human beings in order to thrive, and
then we went ahead to ask what might some humans to require this
energy in excess of the norm? We've wondered how such a supposedly
innate human trait could become magnified and result in the
condition we're calling psivampism.
Compare this to another analogous human condition...let's say
paranoia. A certain amount of paranoia is, I believe, part of
every human makeup. Paranoia helps humans to survive by causing
them to size up strangers and/or unknown situations for possible
danger. Too much paranoia, however, and you have a paranoid
schizophrenic. Similarly, mood swings are a normal part of
of being human, but if the highs are too high and the lows are
too low, the mood swings become known as bipolar or manic
depression. Put the manic depressive on lithium, however, and
the mood swings level out.
Without going into too much neurobiology here, look at what we've
discovered just in the past 20 years about how the various
neurotransmitters (serotonin, endorphin, norepinephrine, dopamine,
etc) function to control human behaviors and how an imbalance in
one of them can lead to psychophysical problems?
Is it really so far fetched to wonder whether a chemical imbalance
might be related to psivampism?
> Back to our show... Might we speculate as to the form or type of
> energy that is consumed? In observing the practice, and in reading
> of it (I'll bring a nice title tomorrow for review), the material
> consumed by vampires of any sort always seems to involve the "vitae"
> or actual life bearing force (be it blood or otherwise) from a victim.
> (for my benefit, as I need some clarity, let's eliminate the "Astral
> Vampire" from this argument, and stick to the "Magnetic Vampire")
> A reference case to begin this discussion:
> Mollie Flancher, a clairvoyant, cited in Scott Rogo's _In-Depth
> Analysis of the Vampire Legend (sept. 1968), was kept under observation
> for many years do to some condition unrelated to this point. The case
> history notes that pets she attempted to keep would decline and soon
> die, with no physical evidence that might serve to idnetify the reason
> (fueling the speculation that they were sapped of psychic energy).
We keep coming back to that same unanswered question, don't we?
What is it that psivamps are taking too much of? We've got
a zickety zillion names for it...psychic energy, psienergy,
lifeforce, vitae...but we still cannot describe it, locate it,
or measure it. Until we can do that, how do we know that
our concept of 'psychic energy' isn't like the old concept of
'malaria' in that it isn't something inherent in the miasma but
in the tsetse fly?
^V^ Baby Jinx ^V^
Killer Angel
And what makes you a spokesperson for something even Psi's do not
understand themselves? I don't know what I am and cannot explain what
I do, but it happens... Don't treat me like a damned scientific
specimen.
Sean Wilde u wrote:
>
> There has been some discussion as to what a psychic vampyre is. I would
> like to try to explain that if I may. Firstly, just because a person is
> emotional, empathic or in tune with another's feelings doesn't make them
> a psi-vamp (PV). A PV is something that actually drains the lifeforce or
> psychic energy or emotional/mental energy or another being. There are
> two main types of PVs: human and inhuman.
>
> Inhuman: these creatures/entities exist on the astral plane and drain
> the energy of living beings. A vampyre who astral travels could also
> fall under this category. These creatures may or may not need the energy
> to survive.
>
> Human: Two main types: Those born with the ability and those who have
> trained the ability. Those born with it need the energy to survive.
> Without it they become ill, depressed and suicidal.
> Those who trained the ability may or may not be addicted to the
> energy but for whatever reason have developed a taste for it and want it
> for some personal reason.
>
> This is what I'm talking about whenever I discuss PVs. When I talk about
> possible cures I'm refering to human PVs who have been born with the
> ability to drain others.
>
> Hope this clears up any misconceptions!
>
> Sean
Sean Wilde u
Killer Angel (duk...@nether.net) wrote:
: And what makes you a spokesperson for something even Psi's do not
: I do, but it happens... Don't treat me like a damned scientific
: specimen.
various newsgroups and my own EMAIL as well as a recent late night visit,
you wouldn't have posted this. *sigh* But you didn't know, and you
posted it and now I'm going to freak on you! *gleeful cackle*
1. I never said I was a spokeperson for psi-vamps. Don't put words in
my mouth, you might not like what comes out in return.
2. Some psi-vamps do understand what they are. Too bad you fall under
the ignorant category. Try doing a little research yourself and maybe
you'll start to understand.
3. As for treating YOU like a scientific speiciman, I don't recall EVER
talking to YOU about psi-vamps. Now that you mention it though...NOTE:
fallen angel: first psi-vamp to exhibit strong paranoid feelings and
possibly dillusional. Thank-you for your participation.
4. Any information I've collected about psi-vamps has been FROM
psi-vamps either voluntarily telling me or due to psi-vamps trying to
drain me.
5. You have no clue WHAT I am or WHO I am. Nor do you know my
motivations for research. Until you do I suggest you stop with snap
judgements.
6. I've always freely offered any information I have on psi-vamps to
other psi-vamps so that they may better understand themselves.
7. If you'd bothered to read the other posts, you'd find we're currently
trying to come up with a cure for psychic-vampyrism which is why I posted
that particular article in the first place.
*puff* *puff* Thank-you. End freak. I feel much better. :)
Sean
Enigmatist
Killer Angel responded to Sean Wilde u with:
>
> Sean Wilde u wrote:
> >
> > There has been some discussion as to what a psychic vampyre is. I would
> > like to try to explain that if I may. Firstly, just because a person is
> > emotional, empathic or in tune with another's feelings doesn't make them
> > a psi-vamp (PV). A PV is something that actually drains the lifeforce or
> > psychic energy or emotional/mental energy or another being. There are
> > two main types of PVs: human and inhuman.
> And what makes you a spokesperson for something even Psi's do not
> understand themselves? I don't know what I am and cannot explain what
> I do, but it happens... Don't treat me like a damned scientific
> specimen.
Take a deep breath, Angel. Sean wasn't dissecting you. If you'll take
a peek around, there are a couple of pretty in-depth threads regarding
the specifics of psivampirism. While we may not fully understand the
intricacies of psivamps, there are some who understand a good deal more
about facets of it (either through education or experience). Don't
discount the knowledge of others offhand. That you don't have a clear
understanding of your situation doesn't mean that others don't through
theirs.
Thomas
Enigmatist
Sean Wilde u
Sean Wilde u (wild...@mach1.wlu.ca) wrote:
: Killer Angel (duk...@nether.net) wrote:
: : And what makes you a spokesperson for something even Psi's do not
: : I do, but it happens... Don't treat me like a damned scientific
: : specimen.
: Pal, if you knew how many times I've been flamed and harrassed lately on
Errr...#3 should read "killer angel" not "fallen angel".
Sean
kons...@unix.asb.com
My new book _Vampires: The Occult Truth_ has several chapters on psychic
vampirism. Hope it helps this debate.
It can be ordered or found at most bookstores, ordered from Llewellyn at
1-800-THE-MOON, or ordered online at http://www.amazon.com.
Konstantinos
Barbara Jean Kuehl
From kons...@unix.asb.com:
Thank you for sharing. Llewellyn has some wonderful publications
of which I myself own several. I recommend them highly, which is
why I left your advertizement in this reply.
However, for this debate, it would be much more appreciated if you
would enter your opinion directly rather than expect us to pay
X-dollars before we can hear what you have to say.
^V^ Baby JInx ^V^
Moksha Na-Q'allitauk
Barbara Jean Kuehl (b...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: Thank you for sharing. Llewellyn has some wonderful publications
: of which I myself own several. I recommend them highly, which is
: why I left your advertizement in this reply.
: However, for this debate, it would be much more appreciated if you
: would enter your opinion directly rather than expect us to pay
: X-dollars before we can hear what you have to say.
: ^V^ Baby JInx ^V^
Ahhhh, but what kind of marketing ploy would it be if he actually told us
the info w/o getting us to buy the book? ;)
- moksha
--
Barbara Jean Kuehl
From cr...@nova.dreamscape.com (Moksha Na-Q'allitauk):
> : Thank you for sharing. Llewellyn has some wonderful publications
> : of which I myself own several. I recommend them highly, which is
> : why I left your advertizement in this reply.
> : However, for this debate, it would be much more appreciated if you
> : would enter your opinion directly rather than expect us to pay
> : X-dollars before we can hear what you have to say.
>
> the info w/o getting us to buy the book? ;)
Possibly a good one, especially if his comments revealed that
he was someone of intelligence aforethought and that he had
interesting insights to add to this discussion which would raise
the level of sharing even higher than it is now. Under those
circumstances, anyone interested in this discussion might very
much want to take a look at what he has to say.
Of course, there's the possibility that his only motivation for
lurking on alt.vamps is to 1) sell us his books, or 2) take our
musings and make money off them as though he thought of them
himself.
^V^ Baby Jinx ^V^