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David Berman

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Mar 14, 2001, 1:37:24 AM3/14/01
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Thanks to southern Nevada residents' continued unwillingness to support
pro sports teams in Las Vegas, another team announced tonight that it
has folded.

This time it is the Las Vegas Bandits of the International Basketball
League.

There are many areas of this country where minor-league franchises in
various sports receive a great deal of support from their communities,
but Las Vegas has never been one of them.

While the Las Vegas Outlaws of the XFL are attracting good crowds to
their games at Sam Boyd Stadium, it is way too early to tell what the
long-term local support would be, if in fact the new league even
survives its first two seasons. But on balance, the low level of
attendance/support for the local teams offers little incentive for
big-league owners to take a chance on relocating to Las Vegas.

--Best wishes from David in NV

Eric Simandl

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Mar 14, 2001, 2:53:06 AM3/14/01
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David Berman wrote:
>
> Thanks to southern Nevada residents' continued unwillingness to support
> pro sports teams in Las Vegas, another team announced tonight that it
> has folded.
>
> This time it is the Las Vegas Bandits of the International Basketball
> League.

David, southern Nevada residents support pro sports teams by betting on
them. Nice use of the apostrophe, though.

--
"Subduction leads to orogeny, if you know what I mean."
--John Kostohrys

VegasCabbie.com

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Mar 14, 2001, 5:09:41 AM3/14/01
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We had the same problem when I lived in Minneapolis. We had an Arena
League and IHL franchise. Both went bye-bye. However the expansion NHL
"Wild" are selling out the new arena in St. Paul. It all depends on the
quality of the league and quite frankly what other cities are involved. If
the XFL only had it's other teams in Sioux Falls, SD, Des Moines, IA or
Rochester, NY it or it's teams wouldn't survive. Las Vegas considers
itself a major league city.
--
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John "Hound Dawg" Shannon
http://www.vegascabbie.com

BOB

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Mar 14, 2001, 9:48:41 AM3/14/01
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>From: Eric Simandl

>Nice use of the apostrophe, though.

In the land of Caesars Palace, many posters are cavalier with their use of the
apostrophe. There's one in particular who should be told where to stick it.

BOB

Yomaax

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Mar 14, 2001, 10:25:25 AM3/14/01
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>In the land of Caesars Palace,

Actually, in Casselman's (sp ?) Las Vegas book he says that it was a conscious
decision to omit the apostrophe in Caesars. After considerable debate the
management decided to leave it out in order to convey the meaning that it was a
palace where everyone could feel like a Caesar (many Caesars) rather than one
that belonged to Caesar.

greatbrit

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Mar 14, 2001, 10:43:16 AM3/14/01
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I must need remedial grammar classes, the apostrophe looks right to me.

Eric Simandl wrote:

> David Berman wrote:
> >
> > Thanks to southern Nevada residents' continued unwillingness...
>
> ...Nice use of the apostrophe, though.

nice use of the comma though.

Jerry Trowbridge

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Mar 14, 2001, 12:26:17 PM3/14/01
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Which would suggest that it be Caesars' Palace, and that the Caesars
folks were far better at casino management than proofreading.

-
Jerry Trowbridge
--at Flying Pig Ranch

Jerry Trowbridge

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Mar 14, 2001, 12:26:53 PM3/14/01
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 07:43:16 -0800, greatbrit <pwes...@pacbell.net>
wrote:

>I must need remedial grammar classes, the apostrophe looks right to me.

It is absolutely correct, which I believe, was Eric's point.

Yomaax

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Mar 14, 2001, 2:27:18 PM3/14/01
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>Which would suggest that it be Caesars' Palace

No, because that still implies ownership, by several Caesars instead of just
one. The idea was that everyone who entered should feel like they were at home
in their palace, not in somebody else's. Just don't walk off with the towels
<GG>.

BOB

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Mar 14, 2001, 2:38:34 PM3/14/01
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>From: yom...@aol.com (Yomaax)

>Just don't walk off with the towels

Wouldn't those be Caesars' towels?

BOB

David Berman

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Mar 14, 2001, 4:54:28 PM3/14/01
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BOB wrote:

Right you are, Bob.

It's that ongoing "its" vs. "it's" thing.

But why should we expect that one so uneducated about social graces in general
would be educated about something like that?

David Berman

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Mar 14, 2001, 5:24:12 PM3/14/01
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Jerry Trowbridge wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 07:43:16 -0800, greatbrit <pwes...@pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> >I must need remedial grammar classes, the apostrophe looks right to me.
>
> It is absolutely correct, which I believe, was Eric's point.
>

I also am sure that was Eric's point, acknowledging the plural possessive,
so I took it as a compliment and didn't respond at the time.

I'm generally impressed with the writing skills of most AVLV contributors,
which certainly places even most of those I disagree with on a higher plane,
worthy of some respect, than the few who combine wretched social skills with
weak grammar.

--Best from David in NV

Bob G

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Mar 14, 2001, 11:20:38 PM3/14/01
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The Las Vegas Thunder hockey team folded from the IHL (International Hockey
League) as well.


Eric Simandl

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Mar 15, 2001, 12:31:23 AM3/15/01
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And they damn well should have. Their defensemen never got back in time
and were constantly losing 2-on-1s and 3-on-2s. They wouldn't clear the
crease and were always giving up easy goals on chippy little centering
passes to the bozo standing there.

Hockey is like beer. The further you get from Canada, the pissier it
gets.

Bob G wrote:
>
> The Las Vegas Thunder hockey team folded from the IHL (International Hockey
> League) as well.

--

Fry Guy

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Mar 15, 2001, 2:29:31 AM3/15/01
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On 14 Mar 2001 06:37:24 GMT, David Berman <dbe...@concentric.net>
wrote:


>
>There are many areas of this country where minor-league franchises in
>various sports receive a great deal of support from their communities,
>but Las Vegas has never been one of them.
>
>While the Las Vegas Outlaws of the XFL are attracting good crowds to
>their games at Sam Boyd Stadium, it is way too early to tell what the
>long-term local support would be, if in fact the new league even
>survives its first two seasons. But on balance, the low level of
>attendance/support for the local teams offers little incentive for
>big-league owners to take a chance on relocating to Las Vegas.
>
>--Best wishes from David in NV

Hmm Correct me if I am wrong but are not the attendance figures for
the Outlaws actually lower than that of the former Las vegas Posse of
the CFL, wich also folded

Fry Guy

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Mar 15, 2001, 2:24:02 AM3/15/01
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:31:23 GMT, Eric Simandl
<sim...@sprintmail.com> wrote:

>And they damn well should have. Their defensemen never got back in time
>and were constantly losing 2-on-1s and 3-on-2s. They wouldn't clear the
>crease and were always giving up easy goals on chippy little centering
>passes to the bozo standing there.
>
>Hockey is like beer. The further you get from Canada, the pissier it
>gets.
>
>Bob G wrote:
>>
>> The Las Vegas Thunder hockey team folded from the IHL (International Hockey
>> League) as well.

and thats not to mention the goaltending.. gotta do more than flop
like a fish outa water.

VegasCabbie.com

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Mar 15, 2001, 4:16:00 AM3/15/01
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The Outlaws have only had 2 home dates so far. The opener vs. NY/NJ drew
just over 30,000. The game vs. LA drew 26,000. I wasn't here in the days
of the Posse but those numbers aint bad.

--
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John "Hound Dawg" Shannon
http://www.vegascabbie.com

Chris Bindel

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Mar 15, 2001, 3:51:54 AM3/15/01
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I agree with another poster who made the point that LV considers itself
a major-league town.

Having been raised in Cleveland, I have seen my share of "bush-league"
teams fall by the wayside, as well. I think the mindset here, even if
the rest of the country disagreed with us, was that we already had a
couple of bonafide pro teams, a nucleus of very hard-earned civic pride,
and we just weren't going to settle for less. To prove it, we almost
lost the Indians--a charter member of the American League, no less--a
couple of times because we wouldn't support the AAA version which was
foisted upon us throughout the 70's and 80's.

Similarly, I think because Las Vegans are exposed to a growing list of
first-rate entertainment, shopping, and dining choices, they naturally
feel that their sports entertainment ought to match. I don't see
anything wrong with that.

CB

Greg Perry

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Mar 15, 2001, 6:46:47 AM3/15/01
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VegasCabbie.com wrote:

I was here during the days of the Posse, and I seem to recall games where
the announced crowds were below 1,000 people. Playing football during the
summer here just didn't fly, even with those wacky Canadian rules. Didn't
stop their offices at DI & Maryland from displaying a huge Posse helmet for
several years afterwards, though. A tribute to those dozens of Posse fans,
apparently.

David Berman

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Mar 15, 2001, 4:11:11 PM3/15/01
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Bob G wrote:

> The Las Vegas Thunder hockey team folded from the IHL (International Hockey
> League) as well.

Actually, the local press have published boxes listing all the minor league
franchises that have folded here in all sports put together. It adds up to
either 20 teams in 18 years or 18 teams in 20 years, I forget which. Either
way, though, it's a long trail of failures.

North Shore Mike

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Mar 15, 2001, 2:06:26 PM3/15/01
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 05:31:23 GMT, Eric Simandl
<sim...@sprintmail.com> wrote:

>And they damn well should have. Their defensemen never got back in time
>and were constantly losing 2-on-1s and 3-on-2s. They wouldn't clear the
>crease and were always giving up easy goals on chippy little centering
>passes to the bozo standing there.
>
>Hockey is like beer. The further you get from Canada, the pissier it
>gets.

Eric:

I just forwarded this message to my other beer swilling, hockey lovin'
Canadian friends. Made my day.


North Shore Mike

- Will Rogers never met Doogie

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