Sun City Home problems
Mark and Gloria Hagwood
newsgroup about the Sun City areas of Las Vegas, I was a
little surprised to see that it was not all sunshine and
paradise in a Del Webb community. I don't even recall the
community cited, but if one is affected, I sure as heck
would be concerned that others were affected as well. Our
home is outside of any Sun City, but we follow their growth
closely.
In today's Review Journal, there was an article about a
possibly huge- make that incredibly huge- problem with many
of the Del Webb built homes. I attempted to find a URL to
today's article, but could not locate it, Perhaps David
Berman, who lives in a Del Webb community and frequently
cites pertinent articles here might be able to locate it and
comment. While it is not a vacation related issue, many
visitors to Las Vegas also consider purchasing homes in Las
Vegas and the nature of this reported possible construction
defect in the Sun City homes should be disclosed and made
known to anyone considering purchasing there. According to
the article, some residents have even had to leave because
of the alleged problems. It might all be trumped up, false
or sensationalistic, but I sure as heck would want to know
and understand what is going on before considering a
purchase in any Sun City community, now.
From my recollection of the article, the builder failed to
install a mesh weep that permits moisture behind stucco
walls to run out or evaporate. During this Spring's heavy
rains, the moisture instead accumulated behind the stucco,
causing cracking, interior water damage and resulting
mold/mildew. The article said that the cost to cure this
problem, which Del Webb denies exists, would be around
$50,000 per HOME as I recall, and that virtually all the Del
Webb homes were affected. The attorneys representing the
Sun City homeowners are now attempting to gain class action
status. Again, perhaps David Berman could explain how long
such a suit would take to get resolved and any remedial work
done, how this would affect future property values in Sun
City and if his own home was affected.
Mark
Everybody's Gonna Be Happy
"Mark and Gloria Hagwood" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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I know nothing about this particular situation, but it does meld well with
the many, many construction defect issues with Las Vegas homes built by
almost all builders.
The growth is so fast that the homes are built in an assembly line fashion.
The developers and builders (like Del Webb) are mostly just brand names
affixed to sales pitches. The homes are of course actually built by
subcontractors, who work for anybody and everybody. They employ everyone
from skilled carpenters to tens if not hundreds of thousands of illegal
aliens. Your home can have parts of it, like the framing, plumbing,
electrical etc, done by people who have no idea what they're doing. Its all
about speed, wrapping up, and getting to the next job. Volume, baby. There
is no way the local inspectors can keep up with such a huge volume of homes;
they inspect one on a street and ok the whole street.
You don't neccessarily get what you pay for either. Even high end homes can
be plagued with defects.
The stories and the lawsuits are endless. Buyer beware to anyone thinking
of buying a new home in Las Vegas. Many people choose resales 3-5 years
old, since any issues will have probably been uncovered and repaired in that
time.
EGBH
spenc...@attbi.com
you can find it. Hadn't heard of this but certainly makes me concerned
to find out more.
Del Webb has been building in the southwest for a long time so they
should be aware of what is needed to prevent the situation you outlined.
normzauchin
Calm down. I don't know if the article exists but you can pretty much
bet that it is not as bad as "Mark and Gloria Hagwood" suggest. Why not
check the header for this lovely couple before you give any credence to
Chuck's post. Oops gave away the secret. Need evidence?
1. Chuck is mercilessly attacked by David for not paying his property
taxes.
2. Chuck disappears.
3. Chuck is heard muttering "Must get revenge."
4. The Hagwoods appear as they only do to move Chuck's agenda.
5. A check of the header and a run of google shows 300,000 posts
attributed to the Hagwoods. Do you think this may be a service to
provide anon. posting? Nah.
6. David is running for office at his HOA.
7. If David finds an article with any reference to Chuck Hagwood's
accusation and puts it on the NG Chuck will try and tell David's HOA
that he is reducing property values by publicizing their problems. If
David does not respond his is not defending the honor of his community.
8. Bottom line is that somehow Chuck's taxes did not get paid and until
he figures out a way to spin that into he is still rich famous and
handsome Chuck will be using aliases for his wackiness.
billb
fashion.
> The developers and builders (like Del Webb) are mostly just brand names
> affixed to sales pitches.
that's what i've been told. been that way for years too, nationally too.
The homes are of course actually built by
> subcontractors, who work for anybody and everybody. They employ everyone
> from skilled carpenters to tens if not hundreds of thousands of illegal
> aliens.
well, they work cheap. if you were selling thousands of chipboard and pine
stick "homes" would you give a shit about who was assembling it? Garbage in
garbage out my boy.
> You don't neccessarily get what you pay for either. Even high end homes
can
> be plagued with defects.
>
all irrelevant, it's all about buying today for 400 so you can sell in six
months for 800. Musical chairs played with housing. And it works fine
until it hits that wall were suddenly no amount creative financing is
creative enough to get the thing sold no money down even with 30 years to
pay it off.
> The stories and the lawsuits are endless. Buyer beware to anyone thinking
> of buying a new home in Las Vegas. Many people choose resales 3-5 years
> old, since any issues will have probably been uncovered and repaired in
that
> time.
>
If the threat of lawsuits caused better houses, it would have worked by now.
Nope, not going to work.
--
billb
After all these years of "knowing better" people still make and eat
SALISBURY STEAK.
If a person was swallowed whole by a shark while scuba diving and suffered
no particular damage and had a tank of air and a knife, would he be able to
cut his way out?
"
billb
question?
FATHER: Sure son, what's the question?
SON: What is politics?
FATHER: Well, let's take our home for example. I am the wage earner, so
let's call me management. Your mother is the administrator of the money, so
we'll call her government. We take care of your needs, so let's call you the
people. We'll call the maid the working class and your baby brother we will
call the future. do you understand?
SON: I'm not really sure, dad. I'll have to think about it.
That night, awakened by his baby brother's crying, the boy went To see what
was wrong. Discovering the baby had seriously soiled his diaper, the boy
went to his parents' room and found his mother sound asleep. He then went to
the maid's room where, peeking through the key hole, he saw his father in
bed with the maid. The boy's knocking went totally unheard by his father and
the maid, so the boy returned to his room and went back to bed.
The next morning:
SON: Dad, now I think I understand politics.
FATHER: That's great son, explain it to me in your own words.
SON: Well, dad, while management is screwing the working class the
government is sound asleep. The people are being completely ignored and the
future is full of shit.
hehate...@hotmail.com
and nothing turned up about Sun City Anthem. If what you say is true
(probably is) then this is just another pathetic attempt at spin by the
PORK CHOP.
--EE--
jerry...@hotmail.com
> subcontractors, who work for anybody and everybody. They employ
everyone
> from skilled carpenters to tens if not hundreds of thousands of
illegal
> aliens.
Over here in AZ, they just had a "Day Without a Mexican" boycott day to
protest what they consider to be repressive laws restricting government
services and benefits available to undocumented aliens. Newspaper
articles quoted some roofing companies as saying that 90% of their
roofers didn't show up. No reprisals, though - the roofing companies
can't afford to fire anybody, they're looking to hire more. Can't
build those new homes fast enough.
As for me, you couldn't get me up on the roof of a 2-story house in 110
degree temperatures for $110 a day!
Jerry
Mark and Gloria Hagwood
I'm sorry you think I am Chuck, but I will state again that
I am a real, live, person who follows this newsgroup, but
seldom posts. Because of the stalking behavior of creeps
like Big Mikey and the weirdness of people like Strevel and
others, I prefer to keep my name, telephone number, address
and other personal data from the newsgroup.
The article appeared in the May 11 Review Journal, section D
(Business) and was by Jennifer Robison. The article was on
the right two columns entitled "Del Webb Hit With Lawsuit",
and the subtitle "Sun City Homeowners claim water damage as
result of defects." The article is continued on page 7d
under the subheading. "Residents move out because of mold."
The law firm representing 1400 present homes and asking for
class action status on all 7800 homes in Summerlin is Wolf,
Rifkin, Shapiro & Schulman.
What I notice is that the article speaks only about the
Summerlin Sun City development. However, if Del Webb was
involoved in other developments, such as the other Sun
Cities here in town, then my concern would be that they also
have similar problems to those alleged in Summerlin. Only
time and some inspections will reveal that.
My purpose was not to put David Berman on the spot in his
election, but to warn folks buying a Del Webb home that they
should determine for themselves whether it has any of the
alleged problems mentioned in the newpaper article and
lawsuit.
Mark
fx...@bellatlantic.net
Mark and Gloria Hagwood
appeared or that there are possibly big problems brewing for
the Del Webb homeowners in Sun City, here is a link to the
attorney handling the lawsuit. I will follow up for you on
this and will post more information as I learn of it.
http://www.wrslawyers.com/content/?pg=det&ID=2 You might
notice that he heads the litigation department of this AV
rated firm, and his specialty is construction defect
litigation. Again, the article speaks only of Summerlin,
but my personal concern would be that Del Webb has built
homes in other Sun Cities and if there is actually a defect
like this in Summerlin, then it might also be in Sun City
Anthem and the others. Perhaps David Berman could comment
on whether there has been any inspection work done to
determine if the alleged problem exists in Anthem homes as
well.
Having owned and sold homes in the past, I believe that
current real estate brokerage practices require that the
seller list any known or suspected construction defects.
This includes leaks, mold, mildew, moisture problems and
similar things that might "disappear" during dry weather.
The old days of Caveate Emptor are behind us. The most
immediate concern of an owner who might eventually want to
sell, would be how to disclose the alleged problem to a
potential purchaser. Failing to do so could possibly lead
to a liability on the part of the seller for failure to
disclose what might be a known but hidden defect. Tourists
visit LV all the time and look at houses. These people
should be made aware of the newspaper article and its
implications for home values in the affected area.
Would you like to have your home listed for sale, but have a
disclosure that might read like "Notice, the homes built
by Del Webb in Sun City are currently the subject of a
(class action?) lawsuit alledging that there are
construction defects that permit moisture to enter the home,
possibly creating mold, mildew and water damage. I suspect
that such a disclosure would have a chilling effect on home
values.
I have no idea why the RJ's web site doesn't repeat this
article, unless it might have been sent to the print people
at the last moment and not picked up by their online folks
for today's web site. I'll check again tomorrow. In the
meantime, I hope that David Berman will let us know how his
folks in Anthem are reacting to this and if they have the
same type of construction as that alleged in Summerlin.
Mark
Mark and Gloria Hagwood wrote:
Everybody's Gonna Be Happy
<fx...@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message news:Grvge.277$bO4.237@trndny02...
Oh sure, post a link to Chuck's homemade RJ.....................everybody
knows where the real one is. Quit defraudung this group with fake links!!!
EGBH
Mark and Gloria Hagwood
> Mark and Gloria Hagwood wrote:
>
>> Norm, you can believe I am whomever you choose to believe. I'm sorry
>> you think I am Chuck, but I will state again that I am a real, live,
>
Thank you for finding it.
Markj
Mark and Gloria Hagwood
>>
> Here it is:
> http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/May-11-Wed-2005/business/1555235.html
>
The last sentence of the article should send chills to the
other Sun City folks, such as Anthem here in Las Vegas.
(quote)
Mitidiere said Del Webb is also involved in weep-screed
lawsuits in California and Arizona.
Mark
thefoxke
Sun City homeowners claim water damage result of defects
By JENNIFER ROBISON
REVIEW-JOURNAL
Owners or representatives of more than 1,400 homes in Sun City
Summerlin have filed the state's largest-ever construction defect
lawsuit against the subdivision's developer, Del Webb Communities.
The lawsuit, which claims Del Webb Communities failed to install metal
strips designed to protect homes against water damage, dwarfs any
previous construction defect complaints in Nevada in both the number of
homes involved and the monetary damages sought.
Advertisement
The plaintiffs' attorney, Barry Mitidiere of local law firm Wolf,
Rifkin, Shapiro & Schulman, said the homeowners are seeking about $70
million in damages. Mitidiere said he'll seek certification at a fall
hearing to make the lawsuit a class action involving all 7,800 homes in
Sun City Summerlin. If the certification comes through, Mitidiere said
damages could total "several hundred million dollars."
"Experts tell us it will cost $50,000 a home to repair these damages,"
he said.
The lawsuit includes more than 670 individual homeowners, as well as
850 houses represented by homeowners associations. The plaintiffs filed
the action in Clark County District Court on April 27.
Mitidiere said nine home- owners initially filed a lawsuit in July
2003, but this winter's heavy rains "revealed the extent of the
problem" and ballooned the complaint to its current total. Mitidiere
said the firm continues to add homes to the action at the rate of six
or seven per week.
At issue are weep screeds, pieces of metal embedded at the base of a
stucco wall to funnel water onto the ground and away from the home,
thus preventing water from seeping into the building.
The lawsuit alleges that the lack of weep screeds has led to cracked
stucco, promoted the growth of mold and fungus and eroded the stability
and strength of walls and framing on the homes.
The lawsuit also accuses Del Webb of "concealing material and necessary
information" when it sought a building-code exemption from the city of
Las Vegas, which requires the installation of weep screeds on the
stucco system Del Webb used at Sun City Summerlin.
Mitidiere said none of the homes in the suit are structurally
uninhabitable, though several homeowners have moved out of their homes
because of health issues related to mold damage.
Mitidiere said his firm contacted Del Webb in 2003 and informed the
company of the problem, but the builder "denied there is any problem."
"In fact, they embarked on a letter-writing campaign to homeowners,
telling them there was nothing wrong with their homes," he said.
In a Tuesday statement about the lawsuit, Del Webb pointed to its
experience building homes in Southern Nevada.
"We have been building homes in Las Vegas for almost two decades,
during which time we've established a reputation for customer
satisfaction, quality and for standing behind the homes we build," the
company stated. "Our reputation is our proudest asset, and we will
always work with our homeowners to resolve any issues that arise."
Mitidiere noted that the state's "right to repair" law, which requires
homeowners to notify a builder of construction defects and allow the
builder to remedy the issue before a lawsuit, doesn't apply in this
case.
The initial lawsuit involving nine homeowners was filed the month
before the law went into effect on Aug. 1, 2003.
But Mitidiere said Del Webb "can fix the problem anytime. We'd welcome
that. They deny there is a problem."
Before this Del Webb action, Southern Nevada's largest construction
defect lawsuit involved about 200 houses at Beazer Homes' Craig Ranch
Village in North Las Vegas. Homeowners sought $23.7 million to repair
cracks in foundations, walls and driveways allegedly caused by
expansive soil.
Beazer countered that the homes would cost just $3.4 million to fix.
After a three-month trial and a day and a half of deliberations, a jury
awarded the homeowners $7.8 million in damages in February 2003.
Beazer last week argued before the state Supreme Court that the
judgment should be overturned because the case should not have been
granted class-action status.
billb
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billb
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Denny in Mass
tom ronson
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> I looked on lvrj.com and nothing turned up about Sun City Anthem.
Couldn't care less about this, but the story was on tv here last night,
channel 13. They showed the problems, the mold and how the side of an
affected house could be peeled back with little effort.
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"tom ronson" <madscr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "hehate...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> I looked on lvrj.com and nothing turned up about Sun City Anthem.
> Couldn't care less about this, but the story was on tv here last night,
> channel 13. They showed the problems, the mold and how the side of an
> affected house could be peeled back with little effort.
Typical Vegas home construction. They frame with cheap wood, hang a bunch
of chickenwire, then stucco it.
And people actually pay 400k for something like that.......................
EGBH
Mark and Gloria Hagwood
> "hehate...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>>I looked on lvrj.com and nothing turned up about Sun City Anthem.
>
Channel 3's news tonight, along with some really interesting
photos. What a mess! David, any comment yet about Sun City
Anthem and your homes there? I'm sure you and your board
members are following this with interest.
Mark
Marcia
Mark and Gloria Hagwood wrote:
I haven't followed this whole thread, but if the link to the R-J story
still hasn't been posted, it's here...
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/May-11-Wed-2005/business/1555235.html
and it's NOT about Anthem.
Don Strevel
ones spin. It seems there is mold behind a wall in a home. All things being
equal, it should exist within the walls of other homes in that specific area
as well. Del Webb, and all the names mentioned does not mean that every
home in the municipal area are having the problems, tho. Just the specific
homes mentioned do, the others are suspect.
Older people live in that area. It would be very sad to now that someone
became ill, or God forbid, died, due to mold related to construction.
Other issues were construction guffaws. Boards not coming together at
joints, stucco in new homes cracking, ...the like. Del Webb agreed to stand
by their work.
--
Many Thanks, :)
Don Strevel, Las Vegas, NV.
http://www.mysecretvegas.com
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David Berman
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> Having seen several references by contributers to the
> newsgroup about the Sun City areas of Las Vegas, I was a
> little surprised to see that it was not all sunshine and
> paradise in a Del Webb community. I don't even recall the
> community cited, but if one is affected, I sure as heck
> would be concerned that others were affected as well. Our
> home is outside of any Sun City, but we follow their growth
> closely.
I'm aware of the story, but don't know anything other than what I read in
the article and saw on TV. If I learn anything from sources here, I'll share
the information. There have been the usual, albeit only occasional problems
with settling on some of the lots here, but as far as I'm aware the
developer has made good in every case. Most of Sun City Anthem has been
built since Del Webb was acquired by Pulte Homes. Del Webb is being operated
by Pulte as a free-standing subsidiary, and Pulte and Del Webb rank 1 and 2,
respectively in the latest J.D. Power customer satisfaction survey. Since
acquiring Pulte, I know that Del Webb's construction techniques were
changed, but I don't know (at this time) whether the Sun City Anthem homes
are built with the same possible shortcoming as has been identified at
Summerlin. I'll see what I can find out.
Sun City Summerlin, which is about 30 miles from us, has lots of problems,
including financial ones that we'll never have because, unlike them, we
lease out our golf courses and restaurant.
Though home purchasers here have a number of customizing options, the fact
is that they are still tract homes, so one must take care that they are
built to acceptable standards. Our own home, which cost us about $272,000
after upgrades, was appraised at $550,000 AFTER the Del Webb price
reductions, and I'd hate to lose value due to fundamental construction
defects. So this definitely bears watching.
--Best from David in NV
MN
<spenc...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> Del Webb has been building in the southwest for a long time so they
> should be aware of what is needed to prevent the situation you outlined.
The LV construction frenzy of 2003/2005 has definetely affected
quality of home construction. The need to built more and faster
tempts many to cut corners. There are several ways builders
can speed up house construction on the cheap. You either decide
to cut corners across the board, that is, for example, you put two
nails where three are usually needed, or you do it more intelligently
and target a specific area of construction (usually some labor
intensive part) to be of lesser quality, leaving the rest top notch.
A good builder wanting to retain its reputation of quality and speed
up its building process (on the cheap) would definetely choose the
second alternative and target a specific area.
Perhaps Del Webb used its extensive familiarity with the Southwest
and its climate to bet that the recent drought would last a couple of
more years and as a builder it could get away without installing weep
screeds.
Well, the Spring of 2005 brought the end of the drought!
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/May-11-Wed-2005/business/1555235.html
MN
spenc...@attbi.com
normzauchin wrote:
> Calm down. I don't know if the article exists but you can pretty much
> bet that it is not as bad as "Mark and Gloria Hagwood" suggest. Why
not
> check the header for this lovely couple before you give any credence
to
> Chuck's post. Oops gave away the secret. Need evidence?
Imagine a lurker coming out of the background around the same time as
the person we won't name has tax problems. Gee why would they want to
take attention from the person we won't name. Hum. I wonder how many
posts they'll make now.
Imagine one of the largest builders being sued. What's the chances of
that happening?
And they can't find the link when it right on the main news headlines
page of links for Wednesday May 11. Of course maybe that's because it
was a story about Summerlin and how he make it about Anthem. So start
the story off and let it grow and keep asking Berman to comment, but
don't reveal for a while that it involved about 10 homeowners which
swelled when lawyers got involved and want a class action suit. Very
possible that other Del Weeb communities are not affected.
Of course the story Gives the person we won't name ammunition to jump
in on the story and talk about Del Webb poor quality and to try and
make Anthem the story.
Gee you don't think there's a connection between them do you.. Maybe
they loan the person we won't name enough to remove the tax lien.
And then the person we won't name posts about how SCA buyers paid $100K
more that the houses are selling for now. Of course that was well
documented here on avlv near the end of last year.
Due to the large number of investors (speculators) that were buying the
SCA homes there became a glut of brand new resales at SCA. These
investors were driving up the prices so that by the time they took
ownership they made 20-30% profit. Then what happened. Del Webb was not
selling many new homes./ They were competing against the "new" resales.
So they reduced prices by 25-30%. Many investors/speculators backed out
and left Del Webb with a glut of finished houses to sell. And at the
same time the resale market stalled and the high prices started
dropping all around the towns. But the real estate market still has
about a 30-40-50 percent increase over 2 years.
billb
> of chickenwire, then stucco it.
>
Isn't it just incredible!
> And people actually pay 400k for something like
that.......................
>
they're gambling it will go higher. otherwise they would not.
--
billb
After all these years of "knowing better" people still make and eat
SALISBURY STEAK.
If a person was swallowed whole by a shark while scuba diving and suffered
no particular damage and had a tank of air and a knife, would he be able to
cut his way out?
billb
> SUCKERS who bought last year and who NOW see the SAME home being sold
> NEW for up to $100k LESS than they paid.
I thought you told me property ownership was all upside???
No wonder you are bankrupt, you flip flop more than a politician.
--
billb
billb
> Anthem.
the rat lives at 8702 RUNNING WATERS CT , LAS VEGAS, NV 89123-4812
David Hannu
> However, you should REALLY ask Cliffy about the RAT problem up in
> Anthem. Now THAT one is pretty funny (and a LONG way from being
> fixed).
I didn't know that you moved to Anthem.
--
David Hannu dha...@centurytel.net
Mark and Gloria Hagwood
> "Mark and Gloria Hagwood" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:NGqge.14814$tQ.11109@fed1read06...
>
>>Having seen several references by contributers to the
>>newsgroup about the Sun City areas of Las Vegas, I was a
>
> I'm aware of the story, but don't know anything other than what I read in
> the article and saw on TV. If I learn anything from sources here, I'll share
> the information. There have been the usual, albeit only occasional problems
> with settling on some of the lots here, but as far as I'm aware the
Thanks for the information. We have a friend who purchased
in Anthem last year. His house was about 2-3 years old, as
I recall, and I wonder if it has the weep screed. He's been
very, very pleased with the house and neighborhood, so when
we go over to visit, I'll feel under the overhangs and see.
The article sure as heck had me outside checking our own
home.
One of the reasons I focused in on this type of alleged
problem is that we once built a home that had Quest
plumbing. Like so many others with polybutylene plumbing,
the plastic joints leaked. After 4 leaks were repaired, the
entire plumbing was removed by the Plumbing Recovery Center
in Plano TX, which was the corportation formed to remedy
Quest related problems. It didn't cost us a cent, but they
paid just over $14,000 to a firm that did the work. The
problme we had was the mess, They had to cut out areas of
drywall, but only repainted the single wall of a bedroom,
bathroom or laundy room where the drywall was removed. That
left the other three or so walls for us to repaint outselves
or face mismatched paint. It was worth it to get good,
copper, plumbing in the house, but what a mess. . .
For fun sometime, Google the Kinsilla settlement on
manufactured home siding and the Dryvit problems in northern
climates.
If my own home here was missing the weep screed, I sure as
heck know what I would be doing today and for how long it
took to remedy the problem. My technique might nott pass a
building inspection, I'm bet, but I bet it'd cure any
mositure problem.
By the way, I know that brick or block exterior walls all
must have weep holes where they meet the ledger or
foundation. The problem isn't so much from water getting in
from a rain in the northern climates, but from interior
water vapor from cooking, showering etc. migrating through
the wall and condensing on the inside of the brick or block
exterior wall.
I also hope that Norm and Spencerdogg follow up with a
similar zeal on what might happen to home prices in
Summerlin. This type of alleged problem surely must be
disclosed by a seller. My guess is that the sellers of
allegedly affected homes will not be happy campers over the
next few years untill this all settles out.
Mark
David Berman
"MN" <M...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> The LV construction frenzy of 2003/2005 has definetely affected
> quality of home construction.
>
> and its climate to bet that the recent drought would last a couple of
> more years and as a builder it could get away without installing weep
> screeds.
>
Del Webb completed construction of Sun City Summerlin in 1999.
normzauchin
> Norm is a purchaser of PPMasarsky's FAMOUS "Tracking System".
>
> That also explains his world famous stories about visiting Wynn as a
> COMPED player, yet not managing to EAT there, or take ANY pictures
> there, or even be able to describe a ROOM there.
>
> Norm is the third of the "3 Amigos"........ Doonie, PPMasarsky and
> NORM!
>
>
> Chuck
> Cliffy Berman... the most OFF TOPIC poster in avlv.
Chuck need I remind you that you claim to have me kill filed. Now the
way I understand kill filing is that you want nothing to do with that
person so that is why you block them. The fact that you can read my
posts in your aliases quotes is not reason to address me. Please
continue to pretend not to read me.
As to your moronic accusations:
1. I never take pictures. After years of carrying around a camera all
over the world I have found that it is better to view beautiful things
through your eye rather than through a lens. But that is just me.
2. I have no clue as to how you came to the conclusion that I did not
eat at the Wynn restaurants. Is it possible for you to open your
mouth(type) without lying?
3. As I wrote at least twice, I sent Hog a room description. Room 5750.
Again I ask you is it possible for you not to lie? You are truly a
pathological liar. Mikey lies for a reason. He wants to be respected.
You lie just to lie. That makes you the sick one.
No go back to pretending I am in your kill file.
Steve Harder-Kucera
wrote:
>1. I never take pictures. After years of carrying around a camera all
>over the world I have found that it is better to view beautiful things
>through your eye rather than through a lens. But that is just me.
Well see, now there's the problem. What I would do is continue viewing
things through your eye and just look through the lens when you are
taking a picture. I think you'll find that works out a whole lot
better.
Mutant Bluegrass That Rocks!
http://www.thepickadillos.com
normzauchin
No, it really doesn't. I know you were trying to be a wise ass but I
was really serious. When you are carrying expensive camera equipment
and a camcorder, you tend to view things as if you were framing a
photograph. Maybe if you were a snapshot person you could do what you
suggest. But being the compulsive obsessive that I am I wanted great
photos and Public TV quality video tape. I of course got neither and
was not able to appreciate to the fullest what I was seeing. Having
talked to a number of amateur photographers about this problem I know I
am not alone. Traveling unencumbered has become my preference. But as I
said that is just me.
Steve Harder-Kucera
wrote:
>No, it really doesn't. I know you were trying to be a wise ass but I
>was really serious. When you are carrying expensive camera equipment
>and a camcorder, you tend to view things as if you were framing a
>photograph. Maybe if you were a snapshot person you could do what you
>suggest. But being the compulsive obsessive that I am I wanted great
>photos and Public TV quality video tape. I of course got neither and
>was not able to appreciate to the fullest what I was seeing. Having
>talked to a number of amateur photographers about this problem I know I
>am not alone. Traveling unencumbered has become my preference. But as I
>said that is just me.
You're right... I was just making a little joke.
"Trying to be a wise ass"... My god man I gave up trying a long time
ago. I'm just homing my chops. :-)
billb
just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'
`The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many
different things.'
`The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master - - that's
all.'
Marcus Lycus
Macdonald Ranches, Sun City Anthem and Sun City Aliante, the newest one,
where I live. I checked and we do have the weep screeds that Summerlin is
suing over. Every development has some sort of problems so its not
surprising that this finally made the paers -- the original complaint, by a
few homeowners, was made over two years ago. BTW SC Summerlin is the oldest
one and has been aroound for 10 years or so.
"Mark and Gloria Hagwood" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:NGqge.14814$tQ.11109@fed1read06...
> Having seen several references by contributers to the newsgroup about the
> the community cited, but if one is affected, I sure as heck would be
> concerned that others were affected as well. Our home is outside of any
> Sun City, but we follow their growth closely.
>
> make that incredibly huge- problem with many of the Del Webb built homes.
> I attempted to find a URL to today's article, but could not locate it,
> Perhaps David Berman, who lives in a Del Webb community and frequently
> cites pertinent articles here might be able to locate it and comment.
> While it is not a vacation related issue, many visitors to Las Vegas also
> consider purchasing homes in Las Vegas and the nature of this reported
> possible construction defect in the Sun City homes should be disclosed and
> made known to anyone considering purchasing there. According to the
> article, some residents have even had to leave because of the alleged
> problems. It might all be trumped up, false or sensationalistic, but I
> sure as heck would want to know and understand what is going on before
> considering a purchase in any Sun City community, now.
>
> From my recollection of the article, the builder failed to install a mesh
> weep that permits moisture behind stucco walls to run out or evaporate.
> During this Spring's heavy rains, the moisture instead accumulated behind
> the stucco, causing cracking, interior water damage and resulting
> mold/mildew. The article said that the cost to cure this problem, which
> Del Webb denies exists, would be around $50,000 per HOME as I recall, and
> that virtually all the Del Webb homes were affected. The attorneys
> representing the Sun City homeowners are now attempting to gain class
> action status. Again, perhaps David Berman could explain how long such a
> suit would take to get resolved and any remedial work done, how this would
> affect future property values in Sun City and if his own home was
> affected.
>
> Mark
Ray
"Marcus Lycus" <com...@usaSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:I%Xge.13944$Fa1.9563@fed1read02...
> Sun City Summerlin is where the law suit is. There is also Sun City
> Macdonald Ranches, Sun City Anthem and Sun City Aliante, the newest one,
> where I live. I checked and we do have the weep screeds that Summerlin is
> suing over. Every development has some sort of problems so its not
> surprising that this finally made the paers -- the original complaint, by a
> few homeowners, was made over two years ago. BTW SC Summerlin is the oldest
> one and has been aroound for 10 years or so.
> "Mark and Gloria Hagwood" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:NGqge.14814$tQ.11109@fed1read06...
I have a friend who lives in Sun City McDonald Ranch. She was visited by
a lawyer who is in the process of doing a class action suit for the McDonald's
ranch home owners. She had 7 different inspectors through her house paid
for by the lawyer. So it appears that the suspected problems are beyond
Summerlin.
I have lived in a new house in McDonald Ranch from 2000 to 2002 and
in a new house in Anthem from 2002 to 2004. Both were rentals.
Both had problems such as leaking roofs, cracked tiles, etc. Del Webb
made repairs that if I were the owner I certainly would not have been
satisfied with. The property manager wasn't interested. The construction
appeared to be low end tract housing. As a renter I was quite happy to
be able to rent a $400,000 house for $995 a month.
spenc...@attbi.com
has owned.
anon
> "Marcus Lycus" <com...@usaSPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:I%Xge.13944$Fa1.9563@fed1read02...
>
>>Sun City Summerlin is where the law suit is. There is also Sun City
>>Macdonald Ranches, Sun City Anthem and Sun City Aliante, the newest one,
>>where I live. I checked and we do have the weep screeds that Summerlin is
>>suing over. Every development has some sort of problems so its not
>>surprising that this finally made the paers -- the original complaint, by a
>>few homeowners, was made over two years ago. BTW SC Summerlin is the oldest
>>one and has been aroound for 10 years or so.
>>"Mark and Gloria Hagwood" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>news:NGqge.14814$tQ.11109@fed1read06...
>
>
> I have a friend who lives in Sun City McDonald Ranch. She was visited by
> a lawyer who is in the process of doing a class action suit for the McDonald's
> ranch home owners. She had 7 different inspectors through her house paid
> for by the lawyer. So it appears that the suspected problems are beyond
> Summerlin.
>
There was something in the article, as I recall, where the
Sun City builder had tried either successfully or
unsuccessfully to get a waiver from the City over the
missing weep screeds. I don't remember exactly what it was
about or the timing.
The shame about all this is that the Sun Cities here in Las
Vegas are marketed to the elderly and with the implication
that the homes are very well constructed and would have low
maintenance or incidence of problems. These older people
are less able to fix things themselves than younger people.
We have a friend in SC Anthem and when we go over to his
place this weekend, I'll check on whether his house has the
weep screeds and will also look around for any moisture
problems for him. In the meantime, it'll be interesting to
see if the alleged problems are now requiring notices when
listing or selling the homes. The days of Caveate Emptor
are about gone, and if there's a problem the sellers must
either disclose it to a buyer or the buyer can later on come
back on the seller or Real Estate Agent for big bucks, I
understand.
By the way, I'm NOT Chuck or one of his sock puppets.
--
My name and address are
faked to avoid those dreaded
spammers and kooks
David Berman
--Best from David in NV
news:1116003521.8...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Maybe Dave Berman can relate his experience for the 5 or so years he
> has owned.
Nothing but the best, Don.
The company works hard to protect its very high customer-satisfaction
rating, at least as far as I'm concerned.
We had some very minor problems, none particularly unexpected, and no doubt
associated with the normal expectations of living in a newly built home:
1. Two cracked Spanish floor tiles.
2. One tile blown off the roof during high winds.
3. A minor crack across the ceiling inside the garage, along the line where
there is a seam.
All were repaired in five days or less.
spenc...@attbi.com
me) was the gate to the front courtyard was quite difficult to open. I
called after the pictures and it was working like a charm this past
weekend when I made a quick trip to get the plantation blinds
installed.
I have a list of about 5 items in the house. 3 of them are doors that
need minor adjustment. 1 is a panel on a kitchen cabinet draw that has
crack. And the last is a small missing piece of moulding (kickplate) at
bottom end of cabinet. They need to get into house for these so I'll
call before my week long trip and set up time for them to review.
As you mentioned the high satisfaction rate they have , I expect those
fixed quickly.
normzauchin
Jack Hunter wrote:
>
> I don't know how good your skills are at reading headers..
Wait a second. Weren't you the moron who claimed to be able to read AOL
headers? Or maybe that was your hero Chuck.K. Well same difference.
> The plus 300,000 are posts by others using the spamblocker alias
> no...@nohow.com,
> which BTW is a very common alias.
Another sign of the weak mind. Stating the obvious.
> The Hagwoods use Mozilla Thunderbird news reader,
> ChuckK uses Micro Planet Gravity.
And this proves what, how? So when I post from my laptop or my office
computer I have to use the same news reader?
>
> The Hagwoods use Cox news with a NNTP # out of Las Vegas
> ChuckK uses " easy.news" service
See above.
>
> ChuckK uses "No Archive=yes" (so after a week you wouldn't find his
> posts on Google at all )
Did you agree with Chuck when he posted on numerous occasions that
anyone who posts No Archive is a coward? Wait a second, you post no
archive. What are you trying to hide? What or who are you afraid of?Do
you post No Archive because Chuck does and he is your hero? Does Chuck
dictate other aspects of your life to you? Do you perform oral sex on
Chuck? Wait a second that last question was out of line. Feel free to
keep your sex life No Archive.
> And the other newgroups that the Hagwoods post to are alt.hvac,
> alt.home.repair and alt.mercedes these just don't strike me as being
> Chuck's stomping grounds..
And you have proven what by this...? Look I have no idea if Chuck is
Chuck Hagwood or not. But if someone reads an article that in no way
mentions Berman's particular housing development and then proceeds to
try to drag Berman into a potentially compromising position while not
posting a link to the original article, I start to think what is the
agenda. I am no particular fan of Berman.(although I think his faults
are much more benign than Chuck's) What pisses me off is when the
Anti-Berman or Anti Chuck forces think they are so clever as to try to
manipulate the agenda on AVLV. I take it as an insult that someone
would underestimate my intelligence that way. The direct attacks,
"Chuck K. The Tax Cheat" "Berman the Anal Retentive Ass hole" don't
bother me at all and are somewhat entertaining.
> Speaking of anon,
Well given your propensity for No Archive I think it might be
considered hypocritical to draw attention to my alias. But I really
don't mind. Like most people I lurked when I first found this News
Group. It did not take me long to realize that a sociopath had taken up
residence on AVLV. The only reason I adopted an alias to post here was
because Chuck.K. is one very sick individual. If I wanted to be totally
free to post what I wanted without some wacky stalker going off Usenet
to try and hurt me and my family I would have to give birth to
NormZauchin.(I thought that my alias would be subtle but obvious since
Norm was a real person) Interestingly enough I now have two reasons for
knowing I did the right thing. Big Mikey may be just as crazy as Chuck.
Can I ask you a question Jack? Why is it that the only time you crawl
out from under your rock is to kiss Chuck's ass in some way or
another?If you and Chuck have some sort of special relationship going
on don't you think that in fairness you should let the group know.
> Jack Hunter
normzauchin
Jack Hunter wrote:
> On 15 May 2005 07:53:55 -0700, "normzauchin" <normz...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I take it as an insult that someone would underestimate my
intelligence that way.
>
So you read everything I had to say and this what you came up with? Do
you have a clue as to how much you embarrass yourself every time you
put fingers to a keyboard?
> Jack Hunter
David Berman
news:aqpe811tosbklcmqa...@4ax.com...
that way.
>
>
> "Buy you for what your worth, sell for what you think your worth"
>
> Windfall profits....
>
>
> Jack Hunter
What does surprise me, Jack, is why you even bother to come back here. My
recollection is that at some time in the distant past, you departed,
ostensibly for good, with a declaration that you no longer wanted anything
to do with this newsgroup because of what it had devolved into.
What has changed in the interim? Not much, as far as I can see. Maybe a new
"personality" here and there, but in most cases they are rather
interchangeable.
CyBerHoG®
Maybe he just wanted to surprise you.
The Chuck Colonblow Foundation
> In article <Bb5he.25289$tQ.6076@fed1read06>, fa...@cox.net says...
>
> >
> > There was something in the article, as I recall, where the
> > Sun City builder had tried either successfully or
> > unsuccessfully to get a waiver from the City over the
> > missing weep screeds. I don't remember exactly what it was
> > about or the timing.
>
> And yet...... according to CLiffy, they have the BEST JD Powers
> rating in the state.....
>
> > The shame about all this is that the Sun Cities here in Las
> > Vegas are marketed to the elderly
>
> WAIT a minute...... Cliffy SAYS he's not "elderly".
>
> > and with the implication
> > that the homes are very well constructed and would have low
> > maintenance or incidence of problems. These older people
> > are less able to fix things themselves than younger people.
>
> THAT pretty much describes Cliffy.....
>
> > We have a friend in SC Anthem and when we go over to his
> > place this weekend, I'll check on whether his house has the
> > weep screeds and will also look around for any moisture
> > problems for him.
>
> No problem. Cliffy has already assured us that it does.
>
> > In the meantime, it'll be interesting to
> > see if the alleged problems are now requiring notices when
> > listing or selling the homes.
>
> ANY known defect in construction MUST be disclosed to a potential
> buyer.
>
> > The days of Caveate Emptor
> > are about gone, and if there's a problem the sellers must
> > either disclose it to a buyer or the buyer can later on come
> > back on the seller or Real Estate Agent for big bucks, I
> > understand.
> >
> > By the way, I'm NOT Chuck or one of his sock puppets.
>
> I don't USE "sock puppets". I leave that to 'Anti-Chucks', or as I
> tend to refer to them....the Chihuahuas
>
> --
> Chuck
> www.cliffyberman.com (coming again soon)
> www.davidinlv.com (coming again soon)
>
> Sometimes you gotta go, where every Claven is insane!
> Where every Cliffy post spawns flames
> You gotta be where you can see, that Berman is still inane
> You gotta be where Cliffy is still insane!
hehate...@hotmail.com
--EE--
hehate...@hotmail.com
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> I don't USE "sock puppets".
LOL! Lie of the YEAR!
--EE--
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Chuck. K wrote:
> Yeah....... Just like his partners in the "hole in the HEAD gang,
> Norm always seems to have problems being able to back up his wild
> CLAIMS.
Awwww, shucksie-poo. I thought you said that *I* was "Norm"? I
guess we can chalk that one up in the L column - for LIE.
--EE--
David Berman
news:MPG.1cf137061...@news.easynews.com...
> rating in the state.....
Putting aside the fact that you don't even know the correct name of J.D.
POWER, the ratings of Del Webb and Pulte for Nevada are not according to me,
but according to the facts, which you never let get in the way of a good
lie.
http://www.jdpower.com/cc/homes/jdpa_ratings/FindHomeBuilderResults.jsp?city=Las+Vegas
From the above link, anyone can click on the Las Vegas Press release link to
read the complete release, capsulized here in the words of J.D. Power:
"Las Vegas
Del Webb ranks highest in customer satisfaction among 22 Las Vegas-area home
builders. Pulte and KB Home follow Del Webb in the rankings, respectively.
Overall customer satisfaction in Las Vegas is up 7 index points over 2003.
Las Vegas builders achieve the highest overall customer satisfaction scores
among all 25 markets in the study. "
View the regional press release (PDF).
spenc...@attbi.com
Why do you always distort everything with the facts.
Don
BOB
It's called spin, true lies.
So tell me, Don, is SCA the hot bed of liberalism that Massachusetts
is?
BOB
David Berman
news:1116248051.1...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> It's called spin, true lies.
>
No, Bob, it's called real facts, not the spin that your hero man-child
indulges in.
IF you can handle real facts, Bob, you are welcome to try this:
http://www.jdpower.com/cc/homes/jdpa_ratings/FindHomeBuilderResults.jsp?city=Las+Vegas
Then click on the link where it says: For detailed ranking information, view
the Las Vegas press release.
Then scroll down to where it says Las Vegas, read the brief paragraph there
and click here to read the entire release: View the regional press release
(pdf).
Now I realize this is a lot to handle for your bigoted little mind, but if
you proceed slowly and carefully, you'll probably be able to manage it.
David Berman
additional steps.
Sorry to load up Bob's mind with additional instructions, so he may need to
pause and take a deep breath during this process.
"David Berman" <davi...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:sn2ie.10419$D91.7735@fed1read01...
> "BOB" <bob81...@wmconnect.com> wrote in message
> news:1116248051.1...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > It's called spin, true lies.
> >
>
> No, Bob, it's called real facts, not the spin that your hero man-child
> indulges in.
>
> IF you can handle real facts, Bob, you are welcome to try this:
>
http://www.jdpower.com/cc/homes/jdpa_ratings/FindHomeBuilderResults.jsp?city=Las+Vegas
Then click on the icon that says Homes.
Then click on Home Builders.
Then click on Las Vegas, NV on the map.
BOB
> "BOB" <bob81...@wmconnect.com> wrote in message
> news:1116248051.1...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > It's called spin, true lies.
> >
>
> No, Bob, it's called real facts, not the spin that your hero
man-child
> indulges in.
>
Statistics can lie and so does the vile Berman.
"Man-child," the vile Berman's tedious term for avlv's most respected
poster, is not my hero. This is one of Berman's classic deceptive
tactics. If you ain't fer em, your agin em. We've come full circle
with this concept, but still Berman cannot understand. Perhaps his boy
Andy can 'spain it his dum ass.
BOB
David Berman
>
> Statistics can lie and so does the vile Berman.
So you are saying that J.D. Power lied?
Maybe they knew about AVLV and felt they had to lie?
Come on, Bob, get real!! You've been supporting your obscene buddy man-child
for way too long.
salmo...@aol.com
Psst. David. Bob is yanking your chain a bit. I don't think anyone who
posts, ""Man-child," the vile Berman's tedious term for avlv's most
respected
poster," is trying to be taken seriously.
Everybody's Gonna Be Happy
<salmo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Sometimes I wonder if anyone here even has a Sarcasm Meter, much less leaves
it turned on.............
The Satire, Irony, and Chain Yanking Meters always seem to be in need of a
good tune-up and lube as well.
EGBH
who will now get a response from someone claiming "man-child" or "the vile
Berman" is the at the root of this series of electronic malfunctions, and
they won't be kidding.
BOB
;)
normzauchin
BOB, a very wise man once said "get over it and move on." Don't you
think its time you took his advice?
spenc...@attbi.com
I Hope not. Otherwise I'll have to start a movement to take over Sun
City Anthem's board with a slate of converatives like myself.
Actually, like I said in avlv I voted for Dave Berman, and his was the
only name I checked off. He has been extremely helpful to me at SCA and
I know he has assisted many others.
I know Dave is very vocal about being a Liberal. It will be very
interesting to see which way the board moves. I'm waiting to see. Maybe
the political leaning will not matter to a homeowners association. My
gut tells me it will matter and I'll vote in the future if I believe it
matters that much. Still will probably vote for Dave. It's always good
to know someone on the board.
BOB
>
> BOB, a very wise man once said "get over it and move on." Don't you
> think its time you took his advice?
I'm starting to like you Norm, but don't think I'm gonna be taken
Berman's advice any time soon. :) Hold on tight the ride is going to
get rough.
BOB
BOB
>
> Still will probably vote for Dave. It's always good
> to know someone on the board.
Oh, I'm sure you'll meet some good people in SCA or even some
conservatives.
BOB
BOB
CyBerHoG® wrote:
> Maybe he just wanted to surprise you.
Now that's funny. A lot of the old gang are coming back.
Berman fears a Lemming resurgence. He's flashing back to an era when
he was the most reviled man in avlv.
Yup, those were fun times.
BOB
normzauchin
Jack Hunter wrote:
> On 15 May 2005 08:33:08 -0700, "normzauchin" <normz...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> >I take it as an insult that someone would underestimate my
> >intelligence that way.
> >>
> >> Well consider yourself insulted.....
> >
> >So you read everything I had to say and this what you came up with?
>
> What did you want me to reply to? The childish name calling or the
> fact that you haven't got a clue to reading a header.
My God you really are semi-retarded aren't you? My guess is that it
comes from the lack of air when doing command performances for your
master Chuck. You remember Chuck don't you? He is the one who claims to
have me kill filed yet follows me around like a puppy dog and replies
to half of my posts. Anyway to answer your question as to what I want
you to reply to I will give you some help. Lets start with the original
post, OK?
Jack Hunter wrote:
>
> I don't know how good your skills are at reading headers.
>>Wait a second. Weren't you the moron who claimed to be able to read
AOL
>>headers? Or maybe that was your hero Chuck.K. Well same difference.
So wasn't it you who claimed to be able to read AOL headers when any
idiot knew that was impossible? I know Chuck made that claim but I
think you were also a graduate of the Chuck K. College Of Moronic
Header Readers.
> The plus 300,000 are posts by others using the spamblocker alias
> n...@nohow.com,
> which BTW is a very common alias.
>>Another sign of the weak mind. Stating the obvious.
What triggered that revelation, the fact that 300,000 people used it?
Brilliant.
> The Hagwoods use Mozilla Thunderbird news reader,
> ChuckK uses Micro Planet Gravity.
>>And this proves what, how? So when I post from my laptop or my office
computer I have to use the same news reader?
Again I will ask you what does it prove that the "Hagwoods" use a
different newsreader than Chuck when he posts as Chuck? Do you get it
yet Sherlock? You are just incredibly stupid.
>
> The Hagwoods use Cox news with a NNTP # out of Las Vegas
> ChuckK uses " easy.news" service
>>See above.
SEE ABOVE. Get it?
>
> ChuckK uses "No Archive=yes" (so after a week you wouldn't find his
> posts on Google at all )
>>Did you agree with Chuck when he posted on numerous occasions that
>>anyone who posts No Archive is a coward?
Well, do you?
>> Wait a second, you post no
>>archive.
Well, don't you?
>>What are you trying to hide?
WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO HIDE?
>> What or who are you afraid of?
WHAT OR ARE YOU AFRAID OF?
>>Do you post No Archive because Chuck does and he is your hero?
DO YOU POST NO ARCHIVE BECAUSE CHUCK DOES AND HE IS YOUR HERO?
>> Does Chuck
>>dictate other aspects of your life to you? Do you perform oral sex on
>>Chuck? Wait a second that last question was out of line. Feel free to
>>keep your sex life No Archive.
You can take the above as one question.
> And the other newgroups that the Hagwoods post to are alt.hvac,
> alt.home.repair and alt.mercedes these just don't strike me as being
> Chuck's stomping grounds..
>>And you have proven what by this...? Look I have no idea if Chuck is
>>Chuck Hagwood or not. But if someone reads an article that in no way
>>mentions Berman's particular housing development and then proceeds to
>>try to drag Berman into a potentially compromising position while not
>>posting a link to the original article, I start to think what is the
>>agenda. I am no particular fan of Berman.(although I think his faults
>>are much more benign than Chuck's) What pisses me off is when the
>>Anti-Berman or Anti Chuck forces think they are so clever as to try
to
>>manipulate the agenda on AVLV. I take it as an insult that someone
>>would underestimate my intelligence that way. The direct attacks,
>>"Chuck K. The Tax Cheat" "Berman the Anal Retentive Ass hole" don't
>>bother me at all and are somewhat entertaining.
AND YOU HAVE PROVEN WHAT BY THIS?
> Speaking of anon,
>>Well given your propensity for No Archive I think it might be
>>considered hypocritical to draw attention to my alias. But I really
>>don't mind. Like most people I lurked when I first found this News
>>Group. It did not take me long to realize that a sociopath had taken
>>up
>>residence on AVLV. The only reason I adopted an alias to post here
was
>>because Chuck.K. is one very sick individual. If I wanted to be
>>totally
>>free to post what I wanted without some wacky stalker going off
Usenet
>>to try and hurt me and my family I would have to give birth to
>>NormZauchin.(I thought that my alias would be subtle but obvious
since
>>Norm was a real person) Interestingly enough I now have two reasons
>>for
>>knowing I did the right thing. Big Mikey may be just as crazy as
>>Chuck.
Nothing there for you to answer above so don't worry your pretty little
head about any of the big words.
>>Can I ask you a question Jack? Why is it that the only time you crawl
>>out from under your rock is to kiss Chuck's ass in some way or
>>another? If you and Chuck have some sort of special relationship
going
>>on don't you think that in fairness you should let the group know.
What part of "Can I ask you a question Jack" did you not understand?
> Jack Hunter
Anyway Jack you would have to agree that your asking "What did you want
me to reply to" was really moronic,right?
BOB
BOB
David Hannu
> And yet...... Cliffy's home is PERFECT!
At least he knows how to pay his property taxes.
--
David Hannu dha...@centurytel.net
David Hannu
> The biggest problem is MOLD! Just think...... all that rain... no
> where to go...... sitting inside a now WARM, DARK, HUMID
> environment........ like inside the exterior walls at CLIFFY's house.
>
> Madame Curie would be SO PROUD!
Why, is it RADIOACTIVE mold??
Oh yeah, I forgot, Chuck doesn't have a college degree (and is generally
bitter at those that do).
--
David Hannu dha...@centurytel.net
BOB
> On Sun, 15 May 2005 09:38:00 -0700, "David Berman"
<davi...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >What does surprise me, Jack, is why you even bother to come back
here.
>
> Mr Berman I tired to call you 6 times before I started to post again.
> I wanted to request your permission since you think you now own the
> newsgroup.
> Well 5 times the line was busy and the 6th I got through to answering
> machine.
> It started giving me the boring speech on "Why I should vote for
> you"..
> Being as this old blue collar gentile don't live in SCA, I figured
> this wasn't meant for me, thus I fell asleep listening to you go off
> about yourself.
>
> So I never did get to ask your permission and I apologize for that.
>
> Next time I'll be sure to get your ok.....
>
>
>
> Jack Hunter
>
> http://tinyurl.com/nl45 My Auctions
> http://tinyurl.com/6ody8 Bike
Roz won't let him use the phone until he gets all his chores done.
It's best to call when She is out. Mondays are her Jewish Princesses
of the American Revolution meetings.
normzauchin
BOB wrote:
> Norm, you need to take a deep breath, get over it and move on.
>
> BOB
Thanks BOB. Your calming voice has convinced me to do just that. Let us
hope that the move on movement takes hold.
normzauchin
> Roz won't let him use the phone until he gets all his chores done.
> It's best to call when She is out. Mondays are her Jewish Princesses
> of the American Revolution meetings.
BOB, did you make that up?
BOB
Of course I did. I have no idea what day her meeting is.
BOB
Chuck KY
> In article <juUhe.33393$fI.30179@fed1read05>, davi...@cox.net
> says...
>
> > Putting aside the fact that you don't even know the correct name of
J.D.
> > POWER, the ratings of Del Webb and Pulte for Nevada are not
according to me,
> > but according to the facts, which you never let get in the way of a
good
> > lie.
> >
> >
http://www.jdpower.com/cc/homes/jdpa_ratings/FindHomeBuilderResults.jsp?city=Las+Vegas
> >
> > From the above link, anyone can click on the Las Vegas Press
release link to
> > read the complete release, capsulized here in the words of J.D.
Power:
> >
> > "Las Vegas
> > Del Webb ranks highest in customer satisfaction among 22 Las
Vegas-area home
> > builders. Pulte and KB Home follow Del Webb in the rankings,
respectively.
> > Overall customer satisfaction in Las Vegas is up 7 index points
over 2003.
> > Las Vegas builders achieve the highest overall customer
satisfaction scores
> > among all 25 markets in the study. "
> > View the regional press release (PDF).
> >
> > --Best from Cliffy at the OLD HOME
>
>
> BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
> Yeah...... like a survey taken between FOUR months and 18 months out
> from initial purchase is going to show MAJOR construction DEFECTS
> like those now showing up in THOUSANDS of homes built by Del Webb
> across the Southwest.
>
> JD Power ratings can at BEST be taken with a HUGE grain of salt....
> didn't BUICK recently win one?
>
> --
> Chuck
> www.cliffyberman.com (coming again soon)
> www.davidinlv.com (coming again soon)
>
> Sometimes you gotta go, where every Claven is insane!
> Where every Cliffy post spawns flames
> You gotta be where you can see, that Berman is still inane
> You gotta be where Cliffy is still insane!
>
> Cliffy Berman... the most OFF TOPIC poster in avlv.
David Berman
news:ntoh81hd9n4b0begq...@4ax.com...
> Mr Berman I tired to call you 6 times before I started to post again.
> I wanted to request your permission since you think you now own the
> newsgroup.
> Well 5 times the line was busy and the 6th I got through to answering
> machine.
> It started giving me the boring speech on "Why I should vote for
> you"..
> Being as this old blue collar gentile don't live in SCA, I figured
> this wasn't meant for me, thus I fell asleep listening to you go off
> about yourself.
I knew you were a crotchety old man, Jack, but never knew you to be an
ouit-and-out liar .....until now.
>
> So I never did get to ask your permission and I apologize for that.
>
> Next time I'll be sure to get your ok.....
Not a problem. But you are no less of a hypocrite than some of us are
accused of being when it comes to saying one thing and doing another. As
man-child would be prone to put it, your shit stinks just the same as
everyone else's.
David Berman
Oh, I realize that.
Occasionally I like to indulge him because without having me to rag on, he
has virtually nothing to say -and so does not post- on AVLV. This gives him
something to occasionally occupy his time.
I consider it a public service to him.
David Berman
>
> I'm starting to like you Norm, but don't think I'm gonna be taken
> Berman's advice any time soon. :) Hold on tight the ride is going to
> get rough.
As usual, Bob, you eventually reveal your true colors.
No wonder you and man-child are such fellow travelers.
MN
"David Hannu" <dha...@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:1gwnq5z.j55w49ppyo3eN%dha...@centurytel.net...
> Chuck.K <no...@nohow.com> wrote:
>
>> The biggest problem is MOLD! Just think...... all that rain... no
>> where to go...... sitting inside a now WARM, DARK, HUMID
>> environment........ like inside the exterior walls at CLIFFY's house.
>>
>> Madame Curie would be SO PROUD!
>
> Why, is it RADIOACTIVE mold??
Northwest Las Vegas is just 50 miles from the nuclear
test site.
The mid-eastern and north-eastern part of the test site has
seen some very big explosions and is heavily contaminated
with radiation.
Dust storms and high winds from the north, also north-west
(typical of LV winter) blow the dust from the test site all the
way to the Vegas valley!
I am sure Madam Curie would be delighted to investigate the
mold that grows both in Las Vegas dirt and the interior walls
of Cliffy guy's house.
MN
>
> --
> David Hannu dha...@centurytel.net