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As the Web Turns 30, Its Inventor Explains 3 Ways It Went Wrong—and How to Fix It

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Mr. Man-wai Chang

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Mar 12, 2019, 8:06:47 AM3/12/19
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As the Web Turns 30, Its Inventor Explains 3 Ways It Went Wrong—and How
to Fix It
Full story:
<http://fortune.com/2019/03/11/internet-web-birtday-inventor-tim-berners-lee/>

Happy Birthday, World Wide Web. It was 30 years ago that British
engineer Sir Tim Berners-Lee effectively created the medium that has
made communication instantaneous and cheap, spawned a generation of
content surfers, launched many a billion-dollar business, and upended
nearly every industry.

To celebrate, Berners-Lee wrote a somber reflection on where the
web—which along the way lost its early capitalization—is today. “The web
has become a public square, a library, a doctor’s office, a shop, a
school, a design studio, an office, a cinema, a bank, and so much more,”
he wrote, but it is also rife with “dysfunction.” He then called on
governments, companies, and users alike to unite in combatting those
problems before they get worse.

“While the web has created opportunity, given marginalized groups a
voice, and made our daily lives easier, it has also created opportunity
for scammers, given a voice to those who spread hatred, and made all
kinds of crime easier to commit,” Berners-Lee wrote, before outlining
each of the three areas of dysfunctions in more detail:

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Kenny McCormack

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Mar 12, 2019, 8:12:48 AM3/12/19
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In article <q687cl$pvs$1...@toylet.eternal-september.org>,
Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>As the Web Turns 30, Its Inventor Explains 3 Ways It Went Wrong—and How
>to Fix It
>Full story:
><http://fortune.com/2019/03/11/internet-web-birtday-inventor-tim-berners-lee/>
>
>Happy Birthday, World Wide Web. It was 30 years ago that British
>engineer Sir Tim Berners-Lee effectively created the medium that has
>made communication instantaneous and cheap, spawned a generation of
>content surfers, launched many a billion-dollar business, and upended
>nearly every industry.
>
>To celebrate, Berners-Lee wrote a somber reflection on where the
>web went wrong...

It is universally true that capitalism ruins everything.

In order for it to make money, they had to ruin it.

--
Rich people pay Fox people to convince middle class people to blame poor people.

(John Fugelsang)

Mr. Man-wai Chang

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Mar 12, 2019, 8:25:44 AM3/12/19
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On 3/12/2019 8:12 PM, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>
> It is universally true that capitalism ruins everything.
>
> In order for it to make money, they had to ruin it.
>

It's consumerism. We have to consume things to survive. The problems are
what we are consuming and consequences.

Martin Edwards

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Mar 13, 2019, 3:13:57 AM3/13/19
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On 3/12/2019 12:25 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 3/12/2019 8:12 PM, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>>
>> It is universally true that capitalism ruins everything.
>>
>> In order for it to make money, they had to ruin it.
>>
>
> It's consumerism. We have to consume things to survive. The problems are
> what we are consuming and consequences.
>
"Limits to Growth" was published in 1972. Nobody took a blind bit of
notice.

Mr. Man-wai Chang

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Mar 13, 2019, 8:28:19 AM3/13/19
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HAL 9000: "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE>

An excerpt from the 1968 film "2001: A Space Odyssey" directed by
Stanley Kubrick.

Wolf K

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Mar 13, 2019, 10:59:16 AM3/13/19
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Like Malthus's essay, this treatise assumed that technology would remain
the same. It didn't. In fact, our technology has increased consumption.
But the fundamental thesis, that exponential growth cannot be sustained,
is still valid. We've bought some time by reducing energy and material
prices of essentials like food and transport. We've done this by pricing
externals at $0, as well as by direct and indirect subsidies for fossil
fuels, which has disguised the cost of our food and transport.

Cost = sum of energy and materials used to produce a good or supply a
service.

Price = the number used in bookkeeping.

Another way of putting it: Fossil fuel technology has not only reduced
the human labour input, it has multiplied human labour. Hence the
apparent cheapening of production. Think of a fossil fuel deposit as
saved energy, like a savings account. Instead of using the interest,
we've been using up the principal.

This will not end well.

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Wolf K
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A black cat crossing your path signifies that the animal is going
somewhere. (Groucho Marx)

Martin Edwards

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Mar 14, 2019, 3:18:13 AM3/14/19
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I don't think we disagree.

Martin Edwards

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Mar 14, 2019, 3:19:11 AM3/14/19
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On 3/13/2019 12:28 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>
> HAL 9000: "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE>
>
> An excerpt from the 1968 film "2001: A Space Odyssey" directed by
> Stanley Kubrick.
>
I know the one you mean, but I can't see you point.

Mr. Man-wai Chang

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Mar 14, 2019, 10:30:51 AM3/14/19
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The collective can become one HAL 9000! ;)

Kenny McCormack

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Mar 14, 2019, 10:32:35 AM3/14/19
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In article <q6doiq$ssm$2...@toylet.eternal-september.org>,
Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 3/14/2019 3:19 PM, Martin Edwards wrote:
>> On 3/13/2019 12:28 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>>
>>> HAL 9000: "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE>
>>>
>>> An excerpt from the 1968 film "2001: A Space Odyssey" directed by
>>> Stanley Kubrick.
>>>
>> I know the one you mean, but I can't see you point.
>>
>
>The collective can become one HAL 9000! ;)

Whatever that means...

Incidentally, I thought the famous quote was:

"I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't let you do that"

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Mr. Man-wai Chang

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Mar 14, 2019, 12:16:34 PM3/14/19
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On 3/14/2019 10:32 PM, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <q6doiq$ssm$2...@toylet.eternal-september.org>,
> Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>> I know the one you mean, but I can't see you point.
>>>
>>
>>The collective can become one HAL 9000! ;)
>
> Whatever that means...
>
> Incidentally, I thought the famous quote was:
>
> "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't let you do that"

The firmware of Boeing 737 Max 8? Anyway....
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