Las Lenguas en España
Michael Cracknell
Hoy, aprendé un poco de las lenguas en España y tengo una pregunta:
¿Qué es las differencias de Catalán, Vasco, Gallego y Español? ¿Estan todos
un forma de Español?
Lo siento para me Español muy mal, pero no hablo mucho Español buena.
Por Favor, Repuestas mas facíl por que no comprendo español muy dificil (lo
siento)
Miguel
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Tempo
border (also in Andorra [a small nation-state along that same border]) The Basque language
isn't related to any other language on earth (according to most linguists).
We had a previous thread dealing with whether Catalan (catalán) and Valencian (valencian)
were two different languages or just two different dialects. Linguists tend to agree that
valencian is a dialect (a different form of a language---and not as many people believe, a
substandard version of that language)
Galician (gallego) is spoken in the province of Galicia in Spain.
Some American English dictionaries have a language map in the appendix and
some charts of the Indo-European languages. These charts will help you see the
relationships between these languages.
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Alejandro Pareja
Tempo <elgran...@hotmail.com> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
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> Basque (vasco) is a language that is spoken along some parts of the
Spanish and French
> border (also in Andorra [a small nation-state along that same border])
The Basque language
> isn't related to any other language on earth (according to most
linguists).
Perdona, Tempo, pero la lengua oficial de Andorra no es el vasco sino el
catalán.
>
> Galician (gallego) is spoken in the province of Galicia in Spain.
El gallego (mi tercera lengua, después del español y el inglés) se habla en
la comunidad autonómica de Galicia, y se puede considerar que es un dialecto
del portugués, o que el gallego y el portugués son dialectos de una misma
lengua.
Pero, para responder en cierto modo a las dudas de Michael Cracknell,
podemos decir que el hecho de saber español te permite entender el gallego
en un 75%, el catalán y el valenciano en un 60% y el vasco en un 0%
(estimaciones mías). Saber gallego te permite entender portugués en un 85%
(cifra tomada de otra fuente, pero la corroboro por mi experiencia
personal).
You can try your hand at reading some WWW pages in each language. In Basque:
http://www.ueu.org/euskaraz.htm
In Gallego (Galician)
In Catalan
Regards,
A.P.
Tempo
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| Tempo <elgran...@hotmail.com> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
| VKBv5.6954$zC.3...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
| > Basque (vasco) is a language that is spoken along some parts of the
| Spanish and French
| > border (also in Andorra [a small nation-state along that same border])
| The Basque language
| > isn't related to any other language on earth (according to most
| linguists).
|
| Perdona, Tempo, pero la lengua oficial de Andorra no es el vasco sino el
| catalán.
No, perdoname a mí por el error :-).
|
| >
| > Galician (gallego) is spoken in the province of Galicia in Spain.
|
| El gallego (mi tercera lengua, después del español y el inglés) se habla en
| la comunidad autonómica de Galicia, y se puede considerar que es un dialecto
| del portugués, o que el gallego y el portugués son dialectos de una misma
| lengua.
|
| Pero, para responder en cierto modo a las dudas de Michael Cracknell,
| podemos decir que el hecho de saber español te permite entender el gallego
| en un 75%, el catalán y el valenciano en un 60% y el vasco en un 0%
| (estimaciones mías). Saber gallego te permite entender portugués en un 85%
| (cifra tomada de otra fuente, pero la corroboro por mi experiencia
It seems to me that portuguese is very similar to Spanish (to the point of almost
being a dialect---I was listening to some teach-yourself-type portuguese tapes a while
back and I couldn't believe the amount of words that were very (VERY) similar.
It almost seems that all that you have to do is learn some grammatical function
words (o = the, etc.....) and fine points in a very similar (to Spanish) grammar, some
false cognates (oficina [pg.] = workshop; oficina [sp.] = office), and you're there.
Of course this is a little bit too simplistic. The only thing that I've been having trouble
with are those darned nasal vowels--It drives me crazy not being able to reduplicate
the sounds [Without the nasal vowel sounds it sounds as if I'm pronouncing some
of these words in Spanish].
| personal).
|
|
| You can try your hand at reading some WWW pages in each language. In Basque:
|
| http://www.ueu.org/euskaraz.htm
|
| In Gallego (Galician)
|
| http://www.anosaterra.com/
|
| In Catalan
|
| http://www.pangea.org/ai-cat/
|
|
| Regards,
|
| A.P.
|
Great websites :-)
Derek Rogers
>It seems to me that portuguese is very similar to Spanish (to the point of almost
>being a dialect---I was listening to some teach-yourself-type portuguese tapes a while
>back and I couldn't believe the amount of words that were very (VERY) similar.
>It almost seems that all that you have to do is learn some grammatical function
>words (o = the, etc.....) and fine points in a very similar (to Spanish) grammar, some
>false cognates (oficina [pg.] = workshop; oficina [sp.] = office), and you're there.
>Of course this is a little bit too simplistic. The only thing that I've been having trouble
>with are those darned nasal vowels--It drives me crazy not being able to reduplicate
>the sounds [Without the nasal vowel sounds it sounds as if I'm pronouncing some
>of these words in Spanish].
It seems to me that the pronunciation -- at least of European
Portuguese -- is more different than you suggest. Portuguese has 9
vowels against the 5 of Spanish, 5 nasals, and different consonants
(/S/ and /Z/ like English 'sh' and 'zh', a French-type 'r'). The
intonation is very sing-song. But the most startling thing is the way
unstressed syllables disappear or change their vowels. So a word like
'destino' is pronounced /dStinu/ (first vowel disappears, 's' becomes
'sh', final 'o' becomes 'u'). Brazilian is less different from
Spanish, but still pretty weird.
Incidentally, I'm not sure about that word "dialect" -- what does it
mean? Would you say that American English is a dialect?
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Tempo
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| "Tempo" <elgran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| It seems to me that the pronunciation -- at least of European
| Portuguese -- is more different than you suggest.
Well, I know that it was a very gross generalization (but the
course was in Brazinlian Portuguese---it seemed way too
easy to follow for a Spanish speaker :-) )
| Portuguese has 9
| vowels against the 5 of Spanish, 5 nasals, and different consonants
| (/S/ and /Z/ like English 'sh' and 'zh', a French-type 'r'). The
| intonation is very sing-song. But the most startling thing is the way
| unstressed syllables disappear or change their vowels. So a word like
| 'destino' is pronounced /dStinu/ (first vowel disappears, 's' becomes
| 'sh', final 'o' becomes 'u'). Brazilian is less different from
| Spanish, but still pretty weird.
^^^^^
As I'm sure any other language might appear to a Portuguese
monolingual :-)
|
| Incidentally, I'm not sure about that word "dialect" -- what does it
| mean? Would you say that American English is a dialect?
|
Geez, I wish that I had my book (The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy) by
John DeFrancis) at hand. If I remember well, this is basically what these
words mean:
Dialects: The variations of a language as spoken from place to place or
from social group to social group that are basically mutually
intellegible.
The U.S has many dialects (and depending on categorization you may
divide them in large dialect groups [South Western U.S., Standard
American, etc....])
Pekinese (Beijing) and Nankinese (Nanjing) are dialects of Mandarin
Chinese (because although they're different, they're mutually intellegible).
Regionalects: This is how John DeFrancis categorized Mandarin Chinese and
Cantonese Chinese as. Spoken Mandarin and Spoken Cantonese
are not mutually intellegible, but are similar enough to be read
almost with no problem by a speaker of the other regionalect.
Iidolect: An idividual's manner of talking (very specific, as you can see)
Tempo
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| | "Tempo" <elgran...@hotmail.com> wrote:
<Poof>
|| Brazilian is less different from
| | Spanish, but still pretty weird.
| ^^^^^
| As I'm sure any other language might also appear to be weird to a Portuguese
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| monolingual :-)
<POOF>
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Dkcsac
>almost
>being a dialect
Yes, I read somewhere that about 5 or 6 centuries ago, the two were close
enough to be considered dialects of the same Iberian language, but subsequent
changes have moved them too far apart to be the same language, but I understand
there's a book that takes advantage of the strong similarity to help
Spanish-speakers learn Portuguese; I think the title is "From Spanish to
Portuguese" or something similar.
Tempo
Spanish Speakers" by Antonio R. Simones. It comes with a book and accompanying cassettes.
It seems to be pretty good (it's easily available from borders.com)
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dov
escritura,
no sólo contestando a tu pregunta, que los ángeles y los demás ibéricos
sabrán
contestar mejor... intercalo
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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 10:02 PM
Subject: Las Lenguas en España
¡Hola!
Hoy, aprendé un poco de las lenguas en España y tengo una pregunta:
aprendí de
¿Qué es las differencias de Catalán, Vasco, Gallego y Español? ¿Estan todos
¿ Cuales son las diferencias entre
Son
un forma de Español?
una
Lo siento para me Español muy mal, pero no hablo mucho Español buena.
por mi malo
un buen español
Por Favor, Repuestas (mas facíl) por que no comprendo español muy dificil
(lo
fáciles porque
siento)
Miguel
--
''Coche nuevo, Trabajo nuevo, Español muy buena''
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bueno
My Home Page: www.gilera-runner.co.uk
E-mail: mike.cr...@totalise.co.uk
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Miguel, tu español contiene muchos errores, pero no es malo, ya que es
perfectamente comprensible, sigue estudiando, pregunta, y verás
como mejora...
chau
dov
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