16th-century Mexican Indian map offers key to history
Jose
That sacred city and the original land of Aztlan would have been in
what is today the Southwestern US.
MC2 remained in Cuauhtinchan until 1933, the year it was sent to a
regional museum and later came into the possession of an architect.
In 2001, philanthropist Espinosa Yglesias acquired the map and shortly
afterwards contacted Harvard's Center of Latin American Studies to ask
who could analyse the map. Harvard chose Carrasco.
The result of five years of interdisciplinary studies was the
publication of the 479-page book 'Cave, City, and Eagle's Nest: An
Interpretive Journey Through the Map of Cuauhtinchan No. 2'.
Carrasco said that in 2010 the University of New Mexico, which
published the original version, will edit the version in Spanish.
'This map and the book we published to decipher it have changed our
understanding of the Mesoamerican codices and of the sacred lands of
that region,' Carrasco said.
That new understanding has political and social significance today.
'This map links the identity and politics of Mexican-Americans, that
is, the Chicano people, with the art, rituals and philosophical
practices of pre-Colombian Mexicans,' he said.
'The insistence of Mexican-American scholars and activists on using
Aztlan as their symbol is strengthened by the history recounted by
this map, since it places Mexicans in the US within a wider history of
migration, ethnic interactions, religions and rituals,' the academic
said.
MC2, according to Carrasco, links Chicanos 'with the lands where the
struggle for their freedom and rights took place before the
oppression'.
So great is the connection of this map with Chicanos that Colgate
University astronomy professor Anthony Aveni and journalist Laana
Carrasco -- David's daughter -- published a children's book telling
the story of 10-year-old Mexican-American twins who 'travel in time'
and go on pilgrimage with their ancestors 100 years before the
Spaniards arrived.
This book 'connects many of the concerns and hopes of the present-day
Chicano Movement with the cosmology and life of the ancient indigenous
Mexicans', David Carrasco said.
Together with his students and his interdisciplinary team, Carrasco
continues to study the sacred objects and numerous plants that appear
on the map.
'This map is a treasure for academics because it reveals with artistic
splendour and in detail the way of life of an Indian community that
told its own story in the midst of a serious social conflict,' he
said.
f.barnes
> Sify - Aug 25, 2009
>
> That sacred city and the original land of Aztlan would have been in
> what is today the Southwestern US.
>
> MC2 remained in Cuauhtinchan until 1933, the year it was sent to a
> regional museum and later came into the possession of an architect.
>
> In 2001, philanthropist Espinosa Yglesias acquired the map and shortly
> afterwards contacted Harvard's Center of Latin American Studies to ask
> who could analyse the map. Harvard chose Carrasco.
>
> The result of five years of interdisciplinary studies was the
> publication of the 479-page book 'Cave, City, and Eagle's Nest: An
> Interpretive Journey Through the Map of Cuauhtinchan No. 2'.
>
> Carrasco said that in 2010 the University of New Mexico, which
> published the original version, will edit the version in Spanish.
>
> 'This map and the book we published to decipher it have changed our
> understanding of the Mesoamerican codices and of the sacred lands of
> that region,' Carrasco said.
Why do other peoples have "sacred lands"? Where are the European
sacred lands? I've never heard of them.
> http://sify.com/news/international/fullstory.php?a=ji0jEbjjcdb&title=...
POTUSKY
> On Aug 26, 11:51 pm, Jose <pabl...@todito.com> wrote:
>> Sify - Aug 25, 2009
>>
>> That sacred city and the original land of Aztlan would have been in
>> what is today the Southwestern US.
>>
>> MC2 remained in Cuauhtinchan until 1933, the year it was sent to a
>> regional museum and later came into the possession of an architect.
>>
>> In 2001, philanthropist Espinosa Yglesias acquired the map and shortly
>> afterwards contacted Harvard's Center of Latin American Studies to ask
>> who could analyse the map. Harvard chose Carrasco.
>>
>> The result of five years of interdisciplinary studies was the
>> publication of the 479-page book 'Cave, City, and Eagle's Nest: An
>> Interpretive Journey Through the Map of Cuauhtinchan No. 2'.
>>
>> Carrasco said that in 2010 the University of New Mexico, which
>> published the original version, will edit the version in Spanish.
>>
>> 'This map and the book we published to decipher it have changed our
>> understanding of the Mesoamerican codices and of the sacred lands of
>> that region,' Carrasco said.
>
> Why do other peoples have "sacred lands"? Where are the European
> sacred lands? I've never heard of them.
European sacred lands are not in Europe.
repo
Yes it is a fact that Mexicans are indigenous to North America
especially the "Aztlan" region.
AndrewJH
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Its called a church. I get you as a "Christian" forgot, being as how
"Christianity" is nothing but a spiritual fraud.
Wetback Kenyan
Do you know why mexcrements still speak Spanish and pretend to be
Spanish Dons after their great-grandparents and grandparents fought and
died to kick the Spaniard conquistadores out of Mexico?
For example, the best music from Mexico are all about Spain, Spaniards
and the Spanish Court. "Blue Spanish eyes, prettiest eyes in all of
MEXICO....." How about the musical piece "Granada?" Jeez, the Alhambra
is in Spain, not in Mexico! And Mexicans are so proud of this musician
countryman of theirs who kissed Spaniard ass. What a fucking waste as a
nation and as a people!
pakistoteles
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Same way shitgringos speak English (or something similar)
Alboroto
Nah, ése no ve tres en un burro.
Wetback Kenyan
Thank you for your response proving my point. BWAHAHAHAHAHAWR!
Wetback Kenyan
skm...@msn.com
I don't care if ASSLAND was in my backyard. The territory that
includes 50 states belongs to the U.S. now. Take your reconquista
BS somewhere else or at least fight with bullets rather than babies to
take ASSLAND back, coward!
Alboroto
Un placer que te hayas dado cuenta de que cojeas de lo que acusas.
pakistoteles
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This skm1 is a MIA; Monolingual because just speaks a plain language;
Ignorant because he does not know from where he came, does not know
who were his ancestors and he "don't care"; thus, he clearly shows
that he is an American piece of rubish. He is a MIA.
Pakistoteles.
skm...@msn.com
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You can stick you insults where the sun don't shine. I am a female
not a male. There is nothing ignorant about only knowing one
language. If you don't use other languages you lose them. There is
no need for an American to learn another language unless they are
going to work in the tourist industry or plan on living or working
abroad. What the hell are you talking about that I don't know where
my ancestors are from? They were the Irish, Poles and Scots.
You are the American piece of rubbish for criticizing Americans for
learning things that help them earn a living rather than learning some
language they willl never use. No one should have any language
forced on them unless they migrate to a country who's national
language is not their won.
Alboroto
Ah, mira qué importante porque en vez de HE es SHE, coño, cómo cambia la
cosa, y encima tiene sangre rubia, para que tomes nota, Paco.
TJ
> On Aug 26, 11:51 pm, Jose <pabl...@todito.com> wrote:
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>
>
> Why do other peoples have "sacred lands"? Where are the European
> sacred lands? I've never heard of them.
Rome, for one example. Anyone Celtic on here? - sacred lands in the
UK.
pakistoteles
> skm1...@msn.com escribió:
Asi es Albo, parece que ser a SHE not a HE la protege de la
ignorancia. She does not care about culture, unless culture give her a
job. (esta en dos idiomas, linda Alboroto, para que skm1 pueda
entender algo). Touching!
Saludos,
Pakistoteles.
Wetback Kenyan
> This skm1 is a MIA; Monolingual because just speaks a plain language;
> Ignorant because he does not know from where he came, does not know
> who were his ancestors and he "don't care"; thus, he clearly shows
> that he is an American piece of rubish. He is a MIA.
>
> Pakistoteles.
You're happy being able to converse in English (language of Wetback
Country) and Spanish (language of your past masters)? BWAHAHAHAWR!
Don't you have a native language to call your own?
Dirty Sick Pig
masters)! Don't you have your own native language?
Dirty Sick Pig
>>
>>> On Sep 16, 3:40 pm, pakistoteles <ipa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> t -
>>
>>
>>
>>> You can stick you insults where the sun don't shine. I am a female
>>> not a male. There is nothing ignorant about only knowing one
>>> language. If you don't use other languages you lose them. There is
>>> no need for an American to learn another language unless they are
>>> going to work in the tourist industry or plan on living or working
>>> abroad. What the hell are you talking about that I don't know where
>>> my ancestors are from? They were the Irish, Poles and Scots.
>> cosa, y encima tiene sangre rubia, para que tomes nota, Paco.
>
> Asi es Albo, parece que ser a SHE not a HE la protege de la
> ignorancia. She does not care about culture, unless culture give her a
> job. (esta en dos idiomas, linda Alboroto, para que skm1 pueda
> entender algo). Touching!
>
> Saludos,
>
> Pakistoteles.
Doesn't any spic here speak their native language? Why are you all
speaking your former Spaniard masters' language? Are you proud of this?
DSP
Begoluna
>
>> This skm1 is a MIA; Monolingual because just speaks a plain language;
> You're happy being able to converse in English (language of Wetback
> Country) and Spanish (language of your past masters)? BWAHAHAHAWR!
> Don't you have a native language to call your own?
Spanglish!!! :-)
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Begomoon
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Begoluna
> Doesn't any spic here speak their native language? Why are you all
> speaking your former Spaniard masters' language? Are you proud of
> this?
Yes, no and maybe. (But not in that order...) :-)
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Begomoon
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Alboroto
No eres más tonto porque no se puede.
Dirty Sick Pig
Should we call you Don Alboroto of the Court of Juan Carlos, huh?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAWR! Or should you call yourself a coconut?
Alboroto
Quien con tontos se junta, tonterías acaba hablando.
¡Coño, José, no nos traigas estos impresentables, deja de crosputear!
pakistoteles
> Alboroto wrote:
> > Dirty Sick Pig escribió:
> >> Alboroto wrote:
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Shut up, piece of garbage! Come back to your mobil home and slow your
cheap beer.
Begoluna
> On Sep 24, 2:35�pm, Dirty Sick Pig <herd_boar@pigs_lodge_1.org> wrote:
>> Should we call you Don Alboroto of the Court of Juan Carlos, huh?
>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAWR! �Or should you call yourself a coconut?- Hide quoted
You confuse gender with sex, Miss Piggy! :-D Mistress Alboroto, get your
whip ready!!!
> Shut up, piece of garbage! Come back to your mobil home and slow your
> cheap beer.
Party??? I'll bring some donuts! :-)
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Begomoon
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