Tito / Tita
Viktoro
"Tito" and "Tita" mean "uncle" and "aunt" in Filipino. Are these also
Spanish words? Are they used anywhere in the Hispanic world? What are
the standard diminutives or affectionate forms for Spanish "Tio"
and "Tia?"
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Viktoro <vik...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
> "Tito" and "Tita" mean "uncle" and "aunt" in Filipino. Are these also
> Spanish words? Are they used anywhere in the Hispanic world? What are
> the standard diminutives or affectionate forms for Spanish "Tio"
> and "Tia?"
Nop, in Mexico "Tito" and "Tita are used to refer to the Grandfather and
the Grandmother.
Regards
Pedro luis
cariñoso de tío y tía.
Pedro luis
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D. Edward Gund v. Brighoff
Pedro luis <pedr...@urbanet.ch> wrote:
>En España, por lo menos en la que yo crecí, tito y tita es el diminutivo
>cariñoso de tío y tía.
Del diccionario Anaya (<http://www.diccionarios.com/>:
II) tito
1 m. Dim. fam. de tío, hermano del padre o de la madre de una persona.
I) tita
1 f. Dim. fam. de tía, hermana del padre o de la madre de una persona.
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(de...@midway.uchicago.edu) /__\ erhebt Euch
/____\ gegen die Kunst!
Stephen Houchen
of these diminutives?
tío-->tito
río-->riito
Steve
shou...@cisco.com
> En España, por lo menos en la que yo crecí, tito y tita es el diminutivo
> cariñoso de tío y tía.
>
Pedro luis
bien riachuelos o un rio muy chiquito = arroyo.
Pedro luis
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Paulo da Costa
Stephen Houchen <shou...@cisco.com> wrote:
> Kind of interesting. Why the difference in the formation
> of these diminutives?
>
> tío-->tito
> río-->riito
The first may be due to a different mechanism. Portuguese "tio/tia"
gives "titio/titia", which is comparable to "pai"->"papai",
"mãe"->"mamãe", and "avô/avó"->"vovô/vovó" (but not to regular
diminutives with endings like "-inho", "-ito", etc).
Paulo da Costa
Luis Casillas
Viktoro <vik...@my-deja.com> writes:
> "Tito" and "Tita" mean "uncle" and "aunt" in Filipino. Are these also
> Spanish words? Are they used anywhere in the Hispanic world? What are
> the standard diminutives or affectionate forms for Spanish "Tio"
> and "Tia?"
I'll add to what the other posters have contributed by pointing out
that in Puerto Rico (and perhaps Cuba?) "Tito" and "Tita" are
nicknames, not associated with any particular name. E.g., the most
famous "Titos" I can think of right now are Tito Puente (Ernesto
Puente hijo, who needs no presentation), and Tito Trinidad (Félix
Trinidad hijo), boxing champion. Examples can be easily multiplied,
with all sorts of first names. It has nothing to do with unclehood in
Puerto Rican usage-- children can be nicknamed "Tito".
My guess is that "Tito" is a conventionalized abbreviation of the
diminutive form of proper names.
Another interesting point is that in both of the examples I could
think of, the person nicknamed "Tito" was named after his father,
which, despite the fact that counterexamples are likely to be
abundant, it still kind of rings a bell-- I get the feeling I've seen
"Tito" used much in such a situation, to avoid (a) confusion between
the father and the son, (b) having to utter the full diminutive for
the child's name (Ernestito, Felicito, for the above examples).
Just a few thoughts.
--
Luis Casillas
Department of Linguistics
Stanford University
Stephen Houchen
> diminutive form of proper names.
>
> Another interesting point is that in both of the examples I could
> think of, the person nicknamed "Tito" was named after his father,
> which, despite the fact that counterexamples are likely to be
> abundant, it still kind of rings a bell-- I get the feeling I've seen
> "Tito" used much in such a situation, to avoid (a) confusion between
> the father and the son, (b) having to utter the full diminutive for
> the child's name (Ernestito, Felicito, for the above examples).
There's also a Biblical name "Tito", which comes from the Roman
name "Titus", and is not a dimunitive of anything.
Carlos Th
> Kind of interesting. Why the difference in the formation
> of these diminutives?
>
> tío-->tito
> río-->riito
Para mí, el diminutivo de "tío" y "tía" son respectivamente "tiito"
y "tiita", así como "riito", "diita", etc. Aunque la verdad, estos
diminutivos no son muy comunes en mi vocabulario.
Supongo que la razón por la cual se usa "tito" y "tita" es porque para
un niño son palabras más fáciles de pronunciar y más comunes que los
ríos chicos. Es decir, son palabras más familiares y por ello han
evolucionado diferente:
tío + ito -> tiito -> tito
Tal vez como yo nunca usé esos diminutivos, si he de usarlos me es más
natural usar la derivación regular:
tío + ito -> tiito
-- Carlos Th
> Steve
> shou...@cisco.com
>
> > En España, por lo menos en la que yo crecí, tito y tita es el
> > diminutivo cariñoso de tío y tía.
> >
> > > "Tito" and "Tita" mean "uncle" and "aunt" in Filipino. Are these
> > > also Spanish words? Are they used anywhere in the Hispanic
> > > world? What are the standard diminutives or affectionate forms
> > > for Spanish "Tio" and "Tia?"
Luis Casillas
> Kind of interesting. Why the difference in the formation
> of these diminutives?
>
> tío-->tito
> río-->riito
I think these would be key questions:
(a) Do "tito" and "tita" coexist with "tiíto" and "tiíta"? (I suspect
this will be the case, but I'd like to know for sure.)
(b) If they do, are they freely interchangeable in most, if not all,
contexts? E.g., from what has been said so far, I gather "tito"
and "tita" can be used to address one's uncles by the people who
use them, and possibly to refer to them. Can one say "Juan es el
tito de María?", or would one be forced to use "tiíto" in such a
case?
What I'm getting at, of course, is the possibility that "tito" is not
a productive diminutive of "tío" at all, but rather a lexicalized form
of address/reference to individuals within one's family.
An example: in Puerto Rican Spanish, there's a word "titi" ('aunt')
which is somewhat like that-- you can call aunt María "titi María", or
just "titi". But calling, say, Juan's aunt, "la titi de Juan", while
not quite unacceptable, is somewhat strange.
Stephen Houchen
> > of these diminutives?
> >
> > tío-->tito
> > río-->riito
>
> I think these would be key questions:
>
> (a) Do "tito" and "tita" coexist with "tiíto" and "tiíta"? (I suspect
> this will be the case, but I'd like to know for sure.)
I'm beginning to think "tito" is a contraction for "tiito", and
that the regular form should be "tiito". It's alot like "mijo"
instead of "mi hijo", where the back-to-back i's collapse into
a single one.
Steve
shou...@cisco.com
Martien
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> the standard diminutives or affectionate forms for Spanish "Tio"
> and "Tia?"
for more then thirty years with the help of some immigrants here in Holland.
An interesting variant to say "uncle" in some parts of Andalusia was
"chacho". It was used especially to address an uncle of more or less the
same age (something very common in families with a lot of children). In
Holland we would address an uncle of the same age with his first name but
the Spaniards I know explained to me that they wanted to show the kind of
relationship in addressing eachother.
Martien.
Paulo da Costa
Luis Casillas <casi...@stanford.edu> wrote:
[...]
> What I'm getting at, of course, is the possibility that "tito" is not
> a productive diminutive of "tío" at all, but rather a lexicalized form
> of address/reference to individuals within one's family.
>
> An example: in Puerto Rican Spanish, there's a word "titi" ('aunt')
> which is somewhat like that-- you can call aunt María "titi María", or
> just "titi". But calling, say, Juan's aunt, "la titi de Juan", while
> not quite unacceptable, is somewhat strange.
I agree with that, and I think it supports what I wrote in another
article (which went only to sci.lang): I think "tito" is formed by
duplication of the first syllable, like "papá" and "mamá". Portuguese
has "tio"->"titio" (plus a host of similar familiar forms like
"avô"->"vovô"). The Portuguese forms work just like the "titi" you
mention.
Noone commented on my mention of the French "tonton" either.
Paulo da Costa
Pedro luis
en Andalucía.
Pedro luis
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Jerry Friedman
"Pedro luis" <pedr...@urbanet.ch> wrote:
> Me imagino riito para no confundirlo con rito. Nunca he vistos riitos,
más
> bien riachuelos o un rio muy chiquito = arroyo.
>
> Pedro luis
>
> "Stephen Houchen" <shou...@cisco.com> a écrit dans le message news:
> 3A75A0EB...@cisco.com...
> > Kind of interesting. Why the difference in the formation
> > of these diminutives?
> >
> > tío-->tito
> > río-->riito
En Nuevo México tenemos "ritos" (ríos chicos), e incluso un pueblo que
se llama El Rito. "Arroyo" quiere decir "arroyo seco". Creo, sin
pruebas, que la mayor parte de los nuevomexicanos hispanoblantes se
extrañaría "muncho" si alguien le sugiriera que se puede decir "riíto".
In New Mexico we have "ritos" (little rivers), and even a town called El
Rito. "Arroyo" means "dry streambed", not "stream". I believe, without
evidence, that the majority of Spanish-speaking New Mexicans would look
very strangely at someone who suggested that one can say "riíto".
--
Jerry Friedman
jfri...@nnm.cc.nm.nos
Translate nos to us / Traduzca nos en us
and all the disclaimers
Como estudiante de español, les agradeceré me corrijan las
equivocaciones.
Luis Casillas
> In article <954acp$fetoo$1...@ID-20919.news.dfncis.de>,
> "Pedro luis" <pedr...@urbanet.ch> wrote:
> > Me imagino riito para no confundirlo con rito. Nunca he vistos riitos,
> más
> > bien riachuelos o un rio muy chiquito = arroyo.
> >
> > Pedro luis
> >
> > "Stephen Houchen" <shou...@cisco.com> a écrit dans le message news:
> > 3A75A0EB...@cisco.com...
> > > Kind of interesting. Why the difference in the formation
> > > of these diminutives?
> > >
> > > tío-->tito
> > > río-->riito
> ...
>
> En Nuevo México tenemos "ritos" (ríos chicos), e incluso un pueblo que
> se llama El Rito. "Arroyo" quiere decir "arroyo seco". Creo, sin
> pruebas, que la mayor parte de los nuevomexicanos hispanoblantes se
> extrañaría "muncho" si alguien le sugiriera que se puede decir "riíto".
>
> In New Mexico we have "ritos" (little rivers), and even a town called El
> Rito. "Arroyo" means "dry streambed", not "stream". I believe, without
> evidence, that the majority of Spanish-speaking New Mexicans would look
> very strangely at someone who suggested that one can say "riíto".
Hmmm... so, do you know of more examples of this? It would be very
relevant to some reasearch I'm hoping to do...
Luis Casillas
> "Viktoro" <vik...@my-deja.com> schreef in bericht
> news:952kgs$pi0$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> > the standard diminutives or affectionate forms for Spanish "Tio"
> > and "Tia?"
>
> Although I am not a native speaker of Spanish I have been studying
> Spanish for more then thirty years with the help of some immigrants
> here in Holland. An interesting variant to say "uncle" in some
> parts of Andalusia was "chacho". It was used especially to address
> an uncle of more or less the same age (something very common in
> families with a lot of children).
"Chacho" and "chacha" exist in Puerto Rican Spanish-- the folk
etymology for this would be that it's a contraction of "muchacho". It
doesn't mean "uncle" at all; it's just a vocative.
Jerry Friedman
Luis Casillas <casi...@stanford.edu> wrote:
> Jerry Friedman <jfried...@my-deja.com> writes:
...
> > In New Mexico we have "ritos" (little rivers), and even a town
called El
> > Rito. "Arroyo" means "dry streambed", not "stream". I believe,
without
> > evidence, that the majority of Spanish-speaking New Mexicans would
look
> > very strangely at someone who suggested that one can say "riíto".
>
> Hmmm... so, do you know of more examples of this? It would be very
> relevant to some reasearch I'm hoping to do...
Sorry, I don't think I do, but it depends on what you mean. I don't
know any other New Mexican diminutives of words in -ío or -ía (and I
don't even know what Spanish-speaking New Mexicans call their aunts and
uncles, though that one I could probably find out). If you just mean a
combination of two i's into one, the example of "m'hijo" or "m'hijito",
which Steve Houchen mentioned, is *extremely* common here, but I don't
know of others. But then elision of vowels, s's, d's, or any
inconvenient letter is common here.
But I'm far from being an expert. As far as I know, *the* source on the
dialect I'm talking about is the _Dictionary of Northern New Mexico and
Southern Colorado Spanish_, by Rubén Cobos. I read in the newspaper
that a revised version is due sometime soon. I don't remember anything
in the current version about -iíto.
Hope that helped somehow.
--
Jerry Friedman
jfri...@nnm.cc.nm.nos
Translate nos to us / Traduzca nos en us
and all the disclaimers
Paul L. Madarasz
<jfried...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>In article <954acp$fetoo$1...@ID-20919.news.dfncis.de>,
> "Pedro luis" <pedr...@urbanet.ch> wrote:
>> Me imagino riito para no confundirlo con rito. Nunca he vistos riitos,
>más
>> bien riachuelos o un rio muy chiquito = arroyo.
>>
>> Pedro luis
>>
>> "Stephen Houchen" <shou...@cisco.com> a écrit dans le message news:
>> 3A75A0EB...@cisco.com...
>> > Kind of interesting. Why the difference in the formation
>> > of these diminutives?
>> >
>> > tío-->tito
>> > río-->riito
>...
>
>En Nuevo México tenemos "ritos" (ríos chicos), e incluso un pueblo que
>se llama El Rito. "Arroyo" quiere decir "arroyo seco". Creo, sin
>pruebas, que la mayor parte de los nuevomexicanos hispanoblantes se
>extrañaría "muncho" si alguien le sugiriera que se puede decir "riíto".
>
>In New Mexico we have "ritos" (little rivers), and even a town called El
>Rito. "Arroyo" means "dry streambed", not "stream". I believe, without
>evidence, that the majority of Spanish-speaking New Mexicans would look
>very strangely at someone who suggested that one can say "riíto".
And here in Tucson we have the pleonastic "Rillito River," which runs
about every ten years.
Paul L. Madarasz
Martien
"Pedro luis" <pedr...@urbanet.ch> schreef in bericht
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> Y también está la expresión de "chache" que señala al hermano mayor,
también
> en Andalucía.
"tato" para el hermano mayor
Martien.
dov
Tito es un diminutivo que se usa para los llamados, por ejemplo:
Roberto - Robertito, quedando el nick Tito, aplicable a todos los nombres
que terminan en to.
Por lo menos, así se usa en Argentina.
chau
dov
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Chris S.
> Spanish words? Are they used anywhere in the Hispanic world? What
are
> the standard diminutives or affectionate forms for Spanish "Tio"
> and "Tia?"
Ay pare, dito ba rin ang hangout mo? :)
Anyway.. I asked this question in alt.usage.spanish. The forms are from
Tiíto and Tiíta.. The glottal stop, IIRC, isn't really pronounced in
spanish, so it becomes tito and tita.
--Chris
Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
>Anyway.. I asked this question in alt.usage.spanish. The forms are from
>Tiíto and Tiíta.. The glottal stop, IIRC, isn't really pronounced in
>spanish, so it becomes tito and tita.
There's no glottal stop at all. But there *is* a syllable boundary,
and the two vowels do not normally merge (in other words, it's
[tiíto], not [ti?íto], [tí:to] or [títo]). It is of course easy to
see how [tiíto] can become [títo] in casual or affectionate speech.
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Viktoro
Chris S. <van...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> Ay pare, dito ba rin ang hangout mo? :)
>
> Anyway.. I asked this question in alt.usage.spanish.
> The forms are from
> Tiíto and Tiíta.. The glottal stop, IIRC, isn't really pronounced in
> spanish, so it becomes tito and tita.
>
Walastik! Tunay na linguist ka pala, e. Iyan ba ang major mo? ;)
Apparently, "tito" and "tita" are in some Spanish dictionaries. But
they don't seem to be universally known in the Spanish-speaking world
from what I gather in this newsgroup.
--
Viktoro
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Carlos Th
m...@wxs.nl wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Feb 2001 01:14:03 GMT, Chris S. <van...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >Anyway.. I asked this question in alt.usage.spanish. The forms are
from
> >Tiíto and Tiíta.. The glottal stop, IIRC, isn't really pronounced in
> >spanish, so it becomes tito and tita.
>
> There's no glottal stop at all. But there *is* a syllable boundary,
> and the two vowels do not normally merge (in other words, it's
> [tiíto], not [ti?íto], [tí:to] or [títo]). It is of course easy to
> see how [tiíto] can become [títo] in casual or affectionate speech.
Indeed, this is the same than other doubled vowels in Spanish:
Saavedra /sa.a.be.dra/, not /sa?abedra/, /sa:bedra/ or /sabedra/
creer /kre.er/, not /kre?er/, /kre:r/ or /krer/
cooperar /ko.o.pe.rar/, not /ko?operar/, /ko:perar/ or /koperar/
Well, actually in fast pronunciation the vowels can merge, but in
careful pronunciation there is a syllable boundary: not a long vowel,
not a glotal stop, but reather an hiatus of two slightly different
qualities of the vowel with some small tone contrast.
Well, I just can't find a doubled {u}, except, perhaps, in some Latin
words like EQVVS which I normaly pronounce as "ecus" but could force
as "ecuus" if I want to point its non-Spanish origen.
-- Carlos Th
Pedro luis
En mi pueblo al hermano mayor se le llama o se le llamaba "chache" (las
costumbres cambian). O sea mi hermano mayor era mi chache.
Pedro luis
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Pedro luis
meaning as in southern Spain!
Me parece que in mi primer mensaje describí esta forma como diminutivo
cariñoso.
Pedro luis
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PANG
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Stephen Houchen
Steve
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Angelico
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] "Pedro luis" <pedr...@urbanet.ch> schreef in bericht
También es así en Aragón: tato y tata. En Cataluña y Valencia dicen
tete para el hermano. No recuerdo seguro cómo dicen en Cataluña a la
hermana, pero en Valencia dicen teta, lo que al principio de vivir
aquí me resultaba chocante.
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Chris S.
Viktoro <vik...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Walastik! Tunay na linguist ka pala, e. Iyan ba ang major mo? ;)
Major ko? 'Di pa... hopefully pagkabalik ko sa eskuwela itong fall na
darating.. pero nandito ako sa sci.lang mga 4 or 5 years..NOt sure if
what I say is worth anything, but hey.. I contribute what I can.. But I
learn a lot more here.
> Apparently, "tito" and "tita" are in some Spanish dictionaries. But
> they don't seem to be universally known in the Spanish-speaking world
> from what I gather in this newsgroup.
Yeah, true. In high school, friends from Mexico and the Caribbean never
heard of tito/a. They insisted that perhaps I was referring to the name
Tito.
--Chris
Mito
Angelico escribió en mensaje ...
>El día Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:32:29 +0100, "Martien" <mart...@xs4all.nl>
>dejó su taza de café sobre el escritorio, crujió sus dedos y tecleó
>para alt.usage.spanish:
>] "Pedro luis" <pedr...@urbanet.ch> schreef in bericht
>] news:959t9k$g71q2$1...@ID-20919.news.dfncis.de...
>] > Y también está la expresión de "chache" que señala al hermano
mayor,
>] también
>] > en Andalucía.
>] Si no me equivoco en Alhaurín el Grande y alrededores tenían la
expresión de
>] "tato" para el hermano mayor
>También es así en Aragón: tato y tata. En Cataluña y Valencia dicen
>tete para el hermano. No recuerdo seguro cómo dicen en Cataluña
¡Ep! Presente.
>a la hermana, pero en Valencia dicen teta,
En Catalunya igual: ''el tet'' y ''la teta'' . Supongo que es aféresis
de ''germanet'' y 'germaneta'' (hermanito - hermanita).
Para abuelo - abuela tenemos tres formas, que yo recuerde:
Avi - Avia
Babi - Baba
Yayo - Yaya
>lo que al principio de vivir
>aquí me resultaba chocante.
Saludos
Jaime
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Pedro luis
mensaje "sistema métrico" de Greybeard. Score actual:
Sistema métrico de Greybeard: 41
Tito / Tita de Viktoro : 34
Pedro luis
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Mito
PANG escribió en mensaje ...
>...Y en arabesco, a la abuelita los niños no le dicen 'Teta?"
>
>PANG===========
¿En árabe?
Lo siento, Pang, pero en la lengua de Mahoma no paso del Salam Aleikum
;-))
Saludos
Jaime
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>> Angelico escribió en mensaje ...
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