26 27 o 30
Jaime
Lani J. Covey escribió en mensaje <3926B214...@worldnet.att.net>...
>Todos:
>
>Hace unos años cuando enseñé Castellano en el nivel secundario había
>treinta letras al alfabeto castellano. La 26 más la ch, elle, eñe y la
>erre.
>En mi opinión todavía existen las treinta letras.
>Recientemente he leído en libros por Berlitz y mi esposo ha visto en el
>"software" castellano que hoydía hay veintisiete. Se reconocen
>solamente la eñe de las arriba mencionadas.
>Así...mi pregunta es ¿Cuántas letras hay en el alfabeto castellano?
>Especificamente cuáles de las cuatro todavía existen?
>Lani Covey
Por si te sirve de orientación, en una gramática de lengua española que
tengo ahora mismo en la mano, editada en 1998, constan exactamente las 30
letras.
Saludos
Jaime
PANG
digrafos por pedido especial).
Comentabamos algo de esto de la desaparicion de la ch y los otros
digrafos con un amigo hace un tiempo y algo que el dijo medio en chiste
fue lo siguiente: Ah, por eso es entonces que uno no dice abecechedario,
sino abecedario...y que tal si mas bien no decimos alfabeto?
PANG
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Angelico
<ANGE...@teleline.kp> respiró profundamente y nos dijo en
alt.usage.spanish:
] El día Sat, 20 May 2000 09:09:20 -0700, "Sleepless in
] Seattle"<Spamless....@USA.net> respiró profundamente y nos dijo
] en alt.usage.spanish:
]
] ] We kicked this very question around in this newsgroup a long time
] ] back. I bet the messages still exist in the archive at deja.com
] ] if you have the patience to try to dig them out (I know I don't).
] ]
] ] I seem to recall that there was considerable difference of
] ] opinion about what consititutes a "letter" in the Spanish
] ] alphabet. And that there seemed to be a high correlation between
] ] one's age (as a Spanish speaker) and the number of letters one
] ] posited. That is to say, the longer ago one learned one's
] ] Spanish, the more letters one thought there were in the alphabet.
] ]
] ] I started learning Spanish in the mid sixties from a book that
] ] came out in the fifties: "The Magic Key to Spanish" by Margarita
] ] Madrigal. I seem to remember her listing the Spanish alphabet on
] ] the inside front cover and she included "ch," "rr," and "ll" as
] ] letters of the alphabet.
] ]
] ] But nowadays it would appear that the double letters have been
] ] dropped from the "official" Spanish alphabet. One can't help
] ] wondering how much the world dominance of English and the
] ] proliferation of computers and the internet had to do with it.
] ] Most computer programs in the early days of computing would sort
] ] a list based on the English alphabet so that may have been an
] ] impetus.
] ]
] ] I would find it interesting to learn more about the history of
] ] this truncating of the Spanish alphabet.
] ]
] The 1992 edition of DRAE still uses ch and ll, but they disappeared in
] 1993 or 1994. I learnt rr when I was a kid (first '70s) but it wasn't
] there in the first '80s.
Where I wrote "first" it should read "early". Those damned keys are so
close one another ;)
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Alexander Deubelbeiss
Angelico schrieb in Nachricht ...
>El día Mon, 22 May 2000 00:39:25 +0200, Angelico
><ANGE...@teleline.kp> respiró profundamente y nos dijo en
>alt.usage.spanish:
>
>] The 1992 edition of DRAE still uses ch and ll, but they disappeared in
>] 1993 or 1994. I learnt rr when I was a kid (first '70s) but it wasn't
>] there in the first '80s.
>
>Where I wrote "first" it should read "early". Those damned keys are so
>close one another ;)
Dime, ¿dónde compraste tu teclado? :-)))
Sleepless in Seattle
PANG wrote:
>
> En realidad la Ch, ll, rr, nn (ñ) no son letras sino dígrafos (perdon
> digrafos por pedido especial).
How do you say "hair-splitting" in Spanish?
--Sleepless in Seattle
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Frank
Seattle"<Spamless....@USA.net> wrote:
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>
>PANG wrote:
>>
>> En realidad la Ch, ll, rr, nn (ñ) no son letras sino dígrafos (perdon
>> digrafos por pedido especial).
>
>How do you say "hair-splitting" in Spanish?
>
> --Sleepless in Seattle
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eso es hilar muy fino- that's splitting hairs.
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ancient format as "nn" (another double one)... ;O)=
Could the "ñ" not go to "ny" ?
I have seen the sound written like this before (catalan?)
PANG
It all depends who's pushing for what, and how forcefully...
PANG
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VernonH
writes:
>Certainly (anyo); or anio, agno, a~o, a~no, an~o, a#o, etc.
>It all depends who's pushing for what, and how forcefully...
>
>PANG
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Italian uses "gn" ex; "signore"
Vern
McAllen & LaJoya, TX