Knipchen
geo...@ankerstein.org
out of control temper tantrum. The origin is unknown, but "knipchen"
(or knipschen) indicates to me that the word has Germanic origins. I
would guess northern German. Any thoughts?
GFH
Einde O'Callaghan
finds only 2 references. However, there's a hill called Knipchen in a
German-speaking part of Belgium.
Gruß, Einde O'Callaghan
Andy
<5c973be2-0263-442e...@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
geo...@ankerstein.org wrote
>In English there is an expression "knipchen fit" -- meaning a totally
>out of control temper tantrum.
If you say so ;{
Google produces only two hits, one from "Shana Ting Lipton" and one from
"Sally" on Myspace - which crashed my browser. The former seemed to be
written in a language akin to American English, conveying mood rather
than information.
Google did ask if I had wanted "kanipchen" but I didn't look.
It's not in the Longer Oxford.
--
Andy Taylor [Editor, Austrian Philatelic Society].
Visit <URL:http://www.austrianphilately.com>
Robert Watson & Mary-Ann Parisi
news:5c973be2-0263-442e...@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
rage, hysteria, or alarm <went into conniptions>
Robert.
Einde O'Callaghan
use) and that the origin is unknown. But I doubt if "conniption fit" is
really the proper phrase since a "conniption" is a fit.
I have heard the phrase "having conniptions" from people of my parents'
generation, i.e. born during the first few decades of the 20th century.
I think I also remember hearing the term being used in (Western ?)
movies - usually by the sort of ornery oldtimer played by somebody like
Walter Brennan.
Gruß, einde O'Callaghan
Christian Weisgerber
> Google did ask if I had wanted "kanipchen" but I didn't look.
Virtually all of these refer to the band Kanipchen Fit.
--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de
Stephen Hust
> Robert Watson & Mary-Ann Parisi wrote:
>> <geo...@ankerstein.org> wrote [...]:
>>> In English there is an expression "knipchen fit" -- meaning a
>>> totally out of control temper tantrum. [...]
>> The English word is conniption, not knipchen. From Miram
>> Webster: a fit of rage, hysteria, or alarm <went into
>> conniptions>
> It also says taht it dates from 1833 (or at least the first
> recorded use) and that the origin is unknown. But I doubt if
> "conniption fit" is really the proper phrase since a
> "conniption" is a fit.
Webster's New World Dictionary (2002) says under "conniption":
"also *conniption fit*."
--
Steve
My e-mail address works as is.
geo...@ankerstein.org
interkom.de> wrote:
> Robert Watson & Mary-Ann Parisi wrote:> <geor...@ankerstein.org> wrote in message
> >news:5c973be2-0263-442e...@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >> In English there is an expression "knipchen fit" -- meaning a totally
> >> out of control temper tantrum. The origin is unknown, but "knipchen"
> >> (or knipschen) indicates to me that the word has Germanic origins. I
> >> would guess northern German. Any thoughts?
>
> > The English word is conniption, not knipchen. From Miram Webster: a fit of
> > rage, hysteria, or alarm <went into conniptions>
>
> use) and that the origin is unknown. But I doubt if "conniption fit" is
> really the proper phrase since a "conniption" is a fit.
That is modern usage. I am old enough to know that no one ever used
knipschen as a noun. And it was rarely written; more an accusation by
a mother that the child was throwing a knipschen fit.
GFH
Einde O'Callaghan
have conniptions" (always plural) and I also remember hearing it in
movies. The Wiktionary suggests that it's predominantly American
(Southern states) usage - which probably explains why I've never come
across "conniption fit" - at least as far as I can recall.
Gruß, Einde O'Callaghan
Lothar Frings
Never heard the word. The German word coming closest
would be "Knaeppchen" but that is so far from the
"knipchen fit" meaning that we can rule it out.
geo...@ankerstein.org
I did not expect there would be any easy or quick answers. American
lexicographers have been searching for its origin for decades.
I am not surprised at the spelling variants. Consider that knight is
pronounced nite (German pronunciation: neit). If a word begins with
"kn", the "k" is silent; the "gh" in the middle of a word is also
silent.
GFH
Lothar Frings
> I did not expect there would be any easy or quick answers. American
> lexicographers have been searching for its origin for decades.
>
> I am not surprised at the spelling variants. Consider that knight is
> pronounced nite (German pronunciation: neit). If a word begins with
> "kn", the "k" is silent; the "gh" in the middle of a word is also
> silent.
Oh, sorry. I'm thinking too "German".
Is the "knip" in "knipchen" pronounced like
the "nipe" in "snipe"?
geo...@ankerstein.org
No, like the "Kn" in Knecht. Germans have no trouble with that
sound, but English speakers seem to feel that a vowel must go
between the "k" and "n". And, when written, it must or the "k"
will be silent (not voiced).
GFH
Matthias Bobzien
The German word 'Knippchen' is quite common in the Rhineland and
Sauerland for 'small kitchen knife'.
Matthias
Andy
Arning <rha...@t-online.de> wrote
[
>"Conniption" could be an alterate spelling. It seems to be correct
>because it looks very Latin. But since there is no Latin or French
>equivalent, the idea of a misspelling is more reasonable.
>(BTW: Google books often misreads "corruption" as "conniption".)
>
Oxford English Dictionary...
U.S. vulgar.
Hysteria, hysterical excitement; pl. hysterics. Also in combination, as
conniption-fit.
1833 SEBA SMITH Major J. Downing 209 Ant Keziah fell down in a
conniption fit. 1844 ‘JON. SLICK’ High Life N.Y. II. 171 By Golly!
it was enough to drive any human critter into a conniption-fit! 1848 in
Dict. Amer. Eng., Conniption, fainting-fit. 1859 Harper's Weekly 19 Nov.
747/1 She.. went into a conniption at the sight of poor Snap. 1860
BARTLETT Dict. Amer. s.v. ‘George, if you keep coming home so late to
dinner, I shall have a conniption.’ 1888 Daily Times (Troy, N.Y.) 25
Aug., Here the bard is supposed to have gone into ‘conniptions’ and
collapsed. 1889 New York Tribune 31 Mar. 19/6 The first [ovation] was
the silly conniption over Alvary. 1911 H. QUICK Yellowstone N. xi. 290
One of the lawyers.. threw a conniption fit every block. 1948 Sat. Rev.
19 June 4/3 The idea sounded fine on paper and gave story editors of
rival studios conniption fits, but did not work out in practice. 1963 M.
MCCARTHY Group i. 14 Conny Storey's fiancé.. was working as an office
boy.. and her family, instead of having conniptions, was taking it very
calmly.
katha...@gmail.com
Stephen Hust
> On Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:36:39 PM UTC+1, GFH wrote:
>> In English there is an expression "knipchen fit" -- meaning a totally
>> out of control temper tantrum. The origin is unknown, but "knipchen"
>> (or knipschen) indicates to me that the word has Germanic origins. I
>> would guess northern German. Any thoughts?
The word is "conniption," origin unknown.
<http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conniption>
<http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=conniption&searchmode=phrase>
Andy
<shno...@a1.net> wrote
as 'Hysteria, hysterical excitement', and gives quotations beginning in
1833 (and ending in 1963)
Dallman Ross
<an...@kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk> spake thusly:
> >The word is "conniption," origin unknown.
> >
> ><http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conniption>
> >
> ><http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=conniption&searchmode=phrase>
> >
> The Oxford English Dictionary describes it as "U.S. vulgar",
> defines it as 'Hysteria, hysterical excitement', and gives
> quotations beginning in 1833 (and ending in 1963)
D
Robert Watson
[...]
>
> > >
>
> > ><http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conniption>
>
> > >
>
> > ><http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=conniption&searchmode=phrase>
>
> > >
>
> > The Oxford English Dictionary describes it as "U.S. vulgar",
>
> > defines it as 'Hysteria, hysterical excitement', and gives
>
> > quotations beginning in 1833 (and ending in 1963)
>
>
>
> It's in my active vocabulary. Surprised there is no later citation.
tiny...@gmail.com
Brian M. Scott
<tiny...@gmail.com> wrote in
<news:d929aed2-6e5d-42c6...@googlegroups.com>
in alt.usage.german:
> On Sunday, 17 August 2008 13:36:39 UTC+1, GFH wrote:
>> In English there is an expression "knipchen fit" --
>> meaning a totally out of control temper tantrum. The
>> origin is unknown, but "knipchen" (or knipschen)
>> indicates to me that the word has Germanic origins. I
>> would guess northern German. Any thoughts?
> shit "he's having a shit knipschen"
seen <conniption>, the spelling that you’ll find in any
decent English dictionary. I’ve been familiar with it in
this form for most of my 66 years, always in such
expressions as ‘He’s having conniptions’ and ‘He’s having a
conniption fit’.
Brian
--
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.