has just recently been (updated) or has been just recently (updated)

[hhgygy]

Hi native speakers.

I would like to know which word order you prefer for a sentence like this:

The satellite image has just recently been updated.
vs.
The satellite image has been just recently updated.

(As I google the two versions, one gives 19M hits and the other 18M hits.)

Thank you.

[Guy Barry]

"hhgygy" wrote in message
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>
>Hi native speakers.
>
>I would like to know which word order you prefer for a sentence like this:
>
>The satellite image has just recently been updated.
>vs.
>The satellite image has been just recently updated.

If I had to choose I'd go with the first, although I'd probably omit the
"just" and write "the satellite image has recently been updated".

--
Guy Barry

[hhgygy]

OK but "just recently" adds some emphasis to "recently", does not it? And it is colloquial it seems to me.

[Guy Barry]

"hhgygy" wrote in message
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>OK but "just recently" adds some emphasis to "recently", does not it?

What meaning does "just recently" convey that "recently" doesn't on its own?

--
Guy Barry

[CDB]

On 24/05/2014 6:00 AM, hhgygy wrote:
> Guy Barry wrote:

>> "hhgygy" wrote:

>>> I would like to know which word order you prefer for a sentence
>>> like this:

>>> The satellite image has just recently been updated.

>>> vs.

>>> The satellite image has been just recently updated.

>> If I had to choose I'd go with the first,

+1 (That means "I agree", hhgygy and Guy).

>> although I'd probably omit the

>> "just" and write "the satellite image has recently been updated".

> OK but "just recently" adds some emphasis to "recently", does not it?
> And it is colloquial it seems to me.

Yes (to both), in North American English. "Just" in your example is
used in the sense of "only": "[only] recently updated" emphasises the
shortness of the time elapsed since the update.

Matters are further complicated by the common use of "just" to mean
"only now": "The satellite image has just been updated."

(It should be "doesn't it?" or "does it not?", BTW. Jane Austen said it
your way, but people don't, much, these days.)

[hhgygy]

For instance I expected something to happen instantly but it did not happen then only recently. The I would say it happened just recently. But I'm not a native speaker of English.

[hhgygy]

OK. So 'just' meaning 'only' is Americanism.
And Doesn't it? should be written Does it not?
Two useful things to learn, thanks.

[CDB]

On 24/05/2014 8:21 AM, hhgygy wrote:

> CDB wrote:
>> hhgygy wrote:
>>> Guy Barry wrote:
>>>> "hhgygy" wrote:

>>>>> I would like to know which word order you prefer for a
>>>>> sentence like this:

>>>>> The satellite image has just recently been updated.

>>>>> vs.

>>>>> The satellite image has been just recently updated.

>>>> If I had to choose I'd go with the first,

>> +1 (That means "I agree", hhgygy and Guy).

>>>> although I'd probably omit the

>>>> "just" and write "the satellite image has recently been
>>>> updated".

>>> OK but "just recently" adds some emphasis to "recently", does not
>>> it? And it is colloquial it seems to me.

>> Yes (to both), in North American English. "Just" in your example
>> is used in the sense of "only": "[only] recently updated"
>> emphasises the shortness of the time elapsed since the update.

>> Matters are further complicated by the common use of "just" to
>> mean "only now": "The satellite image has just been updated."

>> (It should be "doesn't it?" or "does it not?", BTW. Jane Austen
>> said it your way, but people don't, much, these days.)

> OK. So 'just' meaning 'only' is Americanism.

I would say that the usage is more common in the US and Canada than in
Britain or the other English-speaking countries. Guy (a Brit) rejected
it above, and when I (a Canadian) use it in this group I feel that I'm
being somewhat distinctively North American.

> And Doesn't it? should be written Does it not? Two useful things to
> learn, thanks.

No, both of those are fine -- "does it not?" is more formal; "doesn't
it?" is more colloquial. But you should choose one of them instead of
what you wrote, which was "does not it?".

[Peter T. Daniels]

No, you've got the second one backwards, and you've misinterpreted
what CDB said about the first one. He, who is Canadian, was disavowing
knowledge of whether "just" can mean 'only' on other continents, even
as he was agreeing with Guy, who is English.

Your first version is correct, but it has nothing to do with the
meaning of "just"; it is because when adverbs occur within a compound
verb, they usually occur after the first in a series of auxiliary verbs.

[Don Phillipson]

"hhgygy" <hhg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0fedd152-6b3e-4e0a...@googlegroups.com...

> I would like to know which word order you prefer for a sentence like this:
>
> The satellite image has just recently been updated.
> vs.
> The satellite image has been just recently updated.
>
> (As I google the two versions, one gives 19M hits and the other 18M hits.)

Is this not strong evidence that the two are so nearly equally current
that 10 or 20 preferences voiced here are statistically irrelevant?
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

[Mike L]

It comes perfectly naturally to me, a dangerously anglicised
Australian. There's also a neat little Scoticism: "Goodbye just now"
used when the speaker expects to see the speakee again soon. My
equivalent would be "Goodbye for now".

>
>> And Doesn't it? should be written Does it not? Two useful things to
>> learn, thanks.
>
>No, both of those are fine -- "does it not?" is more formal; "doesn't
>it?" is more colloquial. But you should choose one of them instead of
>what you wrote, which was "does not it?".
>

Plus one.

--
Mike.

[David Kleinecke]

On Saturday, May 24, 2014 2:18:27 PM UTC-7, Don Phillipson wrote:
> "hhgygy" <hhg...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> > I would like to know which word order you prefer for a sentence like this:
> >
> > The satellite image has just recently been updated.
> > vs.
> > The satellite image has been just recently updated.

A temporal adjunct like "just recently" can go almost anywhere
in a sentence

Just recently the satellite image has been updated.
The satellite image just recently has been updated.

The satellite image has just recently been updated.

The satellite image has been just recently updated.

The satellite image has been updated just recently.

Individual speakers will use different orders and may claim
to see nuances in the meanings. But as far as I know all
five mean exactly the same thing.

PS: If the sentence had been transitive there is strong
resistance to putting a temporal between a verb and its
object.
They updated just recently the satellite image
sounds non-English to most people.

[Mark Brader]

We are asked about:

>> The satellite image has just recently been updated.

>> The satellite image has been just recently updated.

I'd say they're both correct, but the first is natural; the second,
not so much.

>> (As I google the two versions, one gives 19M hits and the other 18M hits.)

Don Phillipson:

> Is this not strong evidence that the two are so nearly equally current
> that 10 or 20 preferences voiced here are statistically irrelevant?

No, it's evidence that the original poster forgot to use quotation
marks to request a phrase search. Just searching on the 5 words, I get:

"has just recently been updated" 2,170,000
"has been just recently updated" 149,000

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[Guy Barry]

"Don Phillipson" wrote in message news:llr2o0$fm3$1...@news.albasani.net...

>
>"hhgygy" <hhg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:0fedd152-6b3e-4e0a...@googlegroups.com...
>
>> I would like to know which word order you prefer for a sentence like
>> this:
>>
>> The satellite image has just recently been updated.
>> vs.
>> The satellite image has been just recently updated.
>>
>> (As I google the two versions, one gives 19M hits and the other 18M
>> hits.)
>
>Is this not strong evidence that the two are so nearly equally current
>that 10 or 20 preferences voiced here are statistically irrelevant?

I thought it was generally agreed that Google hit numbers were meaningless
anyway.

--
Guy Barry

[hhgygy]

Just to make sure, I perfectly understood the problem with "doesn't it" and "does it not", I only/just/ did not express myself perfectly about it.

[CDB]

On 24/05/2014 5:48 PM, Mike L wrote:
> CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> hhgygy wrote:
>>>>>> "hhgygy" wrote:

>>>>>>> I would like to know which word order you prefer for a
>>>>>>> sentence like this:

>>>>>>> The satellite image has just recently been updated.

>>>>>>> vs.

>>>>>>> The satellite image has been just recently updated.

[discussion]

>>> OK. So 'just' meaning 'only' is Americanism.

>> I would say that the usage is more common in the US and Canada than
>> in Britain or the other English-speaking countries. Guy (a Brit)
>> rejected it above, and when I (a Canadian) use it in this group I
>> feel that I'm being somewhat distinctively North American.

> It comes perfectly naturally to me, a dangerously anglicised
> Australian. There's also a neat little Scoticism: "Goodbye just now"
> used when the speaker expects to see the speakee again soon. My
> equivalent would be "Goodbye for now".

Not even in my recognition vocabulary, but it makes perfect sense as
"only". Good-bye (for) [only] now." There were plenty of Canadians and
(I'm sure) a sufficiency of Australians who came straight out from Scotland.

[...]

[John Holmes]

I don't know that it is "generally agreed", but it is true that they are
meaningless.

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