Grecian Formula
MC
What's the difference between "Greek" and "Grecian"?
Are there any equivalents in for other nations?
Arcadian Rises
>What's the difference between "Greek" and "Grecian"?
I believe "Grecian" is an obsolete word for "Greek".
>Are there any equivalents in for other nations?
>
I don't know about equivalent, but here are some examples of two words for the
same nationality/ethnicity adjective:
Italic and Italian
Slavic and Slav
rzed
French and Freedom.
--
rzed
Arcadian Rises
>>> Are there any equivalents in for other nations?
>> Italic and Italian
>>
>> Slavic and Slav
>
>French and Freedom.
That's a good one.
I just remember, is there a difference between the adjectives "German" and
"Germanic"?
Mark Browne
wrote:
>I just remember, is there a difference between the adjectives "German" and
>"Germanic"?
I would use "Germanic" to mean "Having the characteristics of
something German", rather than actually being German.
--
Mark Browne
Don Aitken
wrote:
>>From: MC copeS...@ca.inter.net
I don't think this one qualifies. I have only ever seen "Italic" used
as a name for the language family which includes Latin (and for a type
of handwriting), not as an equivalent for "Italian".
--
Don Aitken
Arcadian Rises
>I don't think this one qualifies. I have only ever seen "Italic" used
>as a name for the language family which includes Latin (and for a type
>of handwriting), not as an equivalent for "Italian".
Isn't the 'boot" called the Italic Peninsula?
Oliver Cromm
>>From: "rzed"
>
>>>> Are there any equivalents in for other nations?
>
>>> Slavic and Slav
>>
>>French and Freedom.
>
> That's a good one.
>
> I just remember, is there a difference between the adjectives
> "German" and "Germanic"?
Well, English is a Germanic language, but not a German one. Just one
example.
How do you use Arab, Arabic, Arabian?
--
Oliver Cromm
In time of war the laws are silent. - Cicero
Arcadian Rises
>How do you use Arab, Arabic, Arabian?
Crossing the Arabian Desert on an Arabian camel, an Arab was wistling the
Arabesque of Schumman while chewing Arabic gum.
(I know it's impossible for an Arab to whistle the Arabesque and chew Arabic
gum in the same time, but this is just an exampli gratia).
Raymond S. Wise
*Merriam-Webster's Collegiate* says of "Italic":
From
www.m-w.com
[quote]
2 _capitalized_ : of or relating to ancient Italy, its peoples, or
their Indo-European languages
[end quote]
This would appear to be a pretty close match for "Grecian/Greek,"
where "Grecian" is rarely used when referring to something associated
with modern Greece. (I would guess that the product name "Grecian
Formula" is an exception to this general rule.)
--
Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com
Oliver Cromm
>>From: Oliver Cromm o...@c.de
>
>>How do you use Arab, Arabic, Arabian?
>
> Crossing the Arabian Desert on an Arabian camel, an Arab was
> wistling the Arabesque of Schumman while chewing Arabic gum.
[whistling, Schumann]
Nice one. I hoped for Arab as an adjective, though.
Arab world, Arab Americans come to mind, but are there examples outside
of compounds?
Tony Cooper
wrote:
>>From: MC copeS...@ca.inter.net
>
>>What's the difference between "Greek" and "Grecian"?
>
>I believe "Grecian" is an obsolete word for "Greek".
>
I, for one, urn to see it return.
--
Tony Cooper aka: tony_co...@yahoo.com
Provider of Jots, Tittles, and Oy!s
Yusuf B Gursey
> Quoth Arcadian Rises:
>
> >>From: "rzed"
>
> >>>> Are there any equivalents in for other nations?
>
> >>> Slavic and Slav
> >>
> >>French and Freedom.
> >
> > That's a good one.
> >
> > I just remember, is there a difference between the adjectives
> > "German" and "Germanic"?
>
> Well, English is a Germanic language, but not a German one. Just one
> example.
>
> How do you use Arab, Arabic, Arabian?
Arab refers to the ethnic group, Arabic to what pertains to the ethnic
group, especially in regards to language and script, else use Arab as
an adjective. Arabian is what pertains to the geographical region of
Arabia.
this would be the logical usage, though I am sure there are many
expressions contrary to this.
Steve Hayes
>Just curious:
>
>What's the difference between "Greek" and "Grecian"?
Greek applies to language and people. Grecian applies to urns.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Skitt
> MC wrote:
>> Just curious:
>>
>> What's the difference between "Greek" and "Grecian"?
>
> Greek applies to language and people. Grecian applies to urns.
And Grecian Formula comes in liquid, cream, and foam.
--
Skitt (in SF Bay Area) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/
I speak English well -- I learn it from a book!
-- Manuel (Fawlty Towers)
CyberCypher
news:3e83c23d....@news.saix.net:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:04:18 -0500, MC <copeS...@ca.inter.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Just curious:
>>
>>What's the difference between "Greek" and "Grecian"?
>
> Greek applies to language and people. Grecian applies to urns.
And to the hair dye by Jovan, Grecian Formula 9.
Mike Oliver
> And to the hair dye by Jovan, Grecian Formula 9.
I think you're getting interference from Love Potion #9.
mb
...
> Greek applies to language and people. Grecian applies to urns.
Urns aren't alone anymore. It now applies to cosmetics, "diners" and
some otherwise innominable, inedible items served at said diners. None
of them Greek, of course, strictly US of A.
david56
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:04:18 -0500, MC <copeS...@ca.inter.net> wrote:
>
>>Just curious:
>>
>>What's the difference between "Greek" and "Grecian"?
>
> Greek applies to language and people. Grecian applies to urns.
I'm surprised that nobody's asked the question:
What's a Grecian urn?
About £50 a week.
(it used to be ten bob, but that's inflation for you)
--
David
I say what it occurs to me to say.
=====
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spammers.
CyberCypher
news:3E83DB48...@math.ucla.edu:
> CyberCypher wrote:
>
>> And to the hair dye by Jovan, Grecian Formula 9.
>
> I think you're getting interference from Love Potion #9.
>
You're right. It's just Grecian Formula for Men, and it contains lead
acetate, a carcinogen that is absorbed through the skin.
MC
CyberCypher <fra...@seed.net.tw> wrote:
> > I think you're getting interference from Love Potion #9.
> >
>
> You're right. It's just Grecian Formula for Men, and it contains lead
> acetate, a carcinogen that is absorbed through the skin.
To say nothing of looking marginally less convincing than a combover or
a toupé.
If you really want to cover up your tonsure, I say go for that aerosol
paint spray Ron Popeil sells.
That'll fool everyone, and only a little bit will come off on your
pillow.
Mike Lyle
Grecian used, of course, to be applied to Greek people too, and I wish
it still was: much more elegant. It also used to refer to one who
studied Greek -- perhaps in some places it still does, I don't know.
OED1 says "Greek" didn't generally supplant "Greekish" till the 17th
C.
Mike.
R H Draney
news:copeSPAMZAP-7D2C...@mail.inter.net:
Somehow the point of Grecian Formula has been misinterpreted...it's to
disguise gray hair, not baldness....r
John Hall
wrote:
>Somehow the point of Grecian Formula has been misinterpreted...it's to
>disguise gray hair, not baldness....r
The Greeks had a earlier formula: "Greek Fire", which was used to set
fire to enemy ships. According to this:
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0821705.html
it was a burning chemical mix, but I read somewhere, long ago, that it
was not actually burning when launched, but contained finely-divided
platinum (which is a common chemical catalyst) in a liquid, which
caught fire when the liquid dried on their sails.
NB it probably would have cured both grey hair AND baldness.
--
John W Hall <wweexxss...@telusplanet.net>
Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
"Helping People Prosper in the Information Age"
Gary Vellenzer
> Quoth Arcadian Rises:
>
> >>From: Oliver Cromm o...@c.de
> >
> >>How do you use Arab, Arabic, Arabian?
> >
> > Crossing the Arabian Desert on an Arabian camel, an Arab was
> > wistling the Arabesque of Schumman while chewing Arabic gum.
>
> [whistling, Schumann]
>
> Nice one. I hoped for Arab as an adjective, though.
>
> Arab world, Arab Americans come to mind, but are there examples outside
> of compounds?
>
desert.
Gary
Arcadian Rises
mike_l...@yahoo.co.uk (Mike Lyle) writes:
>Grecian used, of course, to be applied to Greek people too, and I wish
>it still was: much more elegant. It also used to refer to one who
>studied Greek -- perhaps in some places it still does, I don't know.
>
Nah, it wouldn't rhyme:
Beware Grecians bearing...bribes?
Arcadian Rises
<tony_co...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>I believe "Grecian" is an obsolete word for "Greek".
>>
>
>I, for one, urn to see it return.
>
I was trying very hard to resist the temptation of trite sang samovar that came
to mind when I read the title of this thread.
Frances Kemmish
Or along the Arab Street?
Mike Lyle
> Steve Hayes wrote:
> > On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:04:18 -0500, MC <copeS...@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Just curious:
> >>
> >>What's the difference between "Greek" and "Grecian"?
> >
> > Greek applies to language and people. Grecian applies to urns.
>
> I'm surprised that nobody's asked the question:
>
> What's a Grecian urn?
>
> About £50 a week.
>
> (it used to be ten bob, but that's inflation for you)
That would make a Maltese cross.
Mike.
Don Aitken
<wweexxss...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>On 28 Mar 2003 15:33:01 GMT, R H Draney <dado...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Somehow the point of Grecian Formula has been misinterpreted...it's to
>>disguise gray hair, not baldness....r
>
>
>The Greeks had a earlier formula: "Greek Fire", which was used to set
>fire to enemy ships. According to this:
>http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0821705.html
>
>it was a burning chemical mix, but I read somewhere, long ago, that it
>was not actually burning when launched, but contained finely-divided
>platinum (which is a common chemical catalyst) in a liquid, which
>caught fire when the liquid dried on their sails.
>
>NB it probably would have cured both grey hair AND baldness.
The version I have seen (from McEvedy's "Atlas of Ancient History") is
that the igniter was calcium phosphide, prepared by heating a mixture
of lime and bones with urine.
--
Don Aitken
John Hall
wrote:
>The version I have seen (from McEvedy's "Atlas of Ancient History") is
>that the igniter was calcium phosphide, prepared by heating a mixture
>of lime and bones with urine.
I reckon we'll need to run some tests, Don.
Jacqui
> david56 wrote
>> Steve Hayes wrote:
>> > Greek applies to language and people. Grecian applies to urns.
>>
>> I'm surprised that nobody's asked the question:
>>
>> What's a Grecian urn?
>>
>> About £50 a week.
>>
>> (it used to be ten bob, but that's inflation for you)
>
> That would make a Maltese cross.
But the Swiss roll in money.
Jac
Mike Oliver
I think that at some point it was Grecian Formula #5, not #9. I
wouldn't swear to it, though.
John Dean
Poke your fingers in his eyes ....
--
John Dean
Oxford
De-frag to reply
CyberCypher
news:3E84CD40...@math.ucla.edu:
I should know this because my 2nd wife's father used to sell it back in
the mid-1970s and earlier. I think you might be right about #5. I put
that number there for some reason.
Skitt
> Mike Oliver burbled:
>> CyberCypher wrote:
>>> Mike Oliver burbled:
>>>> CyberCypher wrote:
>>>>> And to the hair dye by Jovan, Grecian Formula 9.
>>>>
>>>> I think you're getting interference from Love Potion #9.
>>>
>>> You're right. It's just Grecian Formula for Men, and it contains
>>> lead acetate, a carcinogen that is absorbed through the skin.
>>
>> I think that at some point it was Grecian Formula #5, not #9. I
>> wouldn't swear to it, though.
>
> I should know this because my 2nd wife's father used to sell it back
> in the mid-1970s and earlier. I think you might be right about #5. I
> put that number there for some reason.
There is a Grecian 5 (no "Formula" in the name). That is a different
product from Grecian Formula (with no number).
http://www.combe.com/productGrecian.shtml
R H Draney
news:3E84CD40...@math.ucla.edu:
Have we all lost the ability to Google?...I finally managed to conjure
up the announcer's voice in my mind's ear, and the gestalt of the
product name as recited came flooding back:
It's "Grecian Formula 16"...still being sold, further information at
http://www.folica.com/haircolor/gf16_htfor.htm ....
(This stuff is a clear liquid; Love Potion #9, you will recall,
"smelled like turpentine and looked like India ink"...there is mention
at the end of the song of "Love Potion #10", but its physical
properties are not described)....r
CyberCypher
news:Xns934CCE104...@129.250.170.82:
> Mike Oliver <oli...@math.ucla.edu> wrote in
> news:3E84CD40...@math.ucla.edu:
>
>> CyberCypher wrote:
>>> Mike Oliver <oli...@math.ucla.edu> burbled
>>> news:3E83DB48...@math.ucla.edu:
>>>> CyberCypher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And to the hair dye by Jovan, Grecian Formula 9.
>>>>
>>>> I think you're getting interference from Love Potion #9.
>>>
>>> You're right. It's just Grecian Formula for Men, and it contains
>>> lead acetate, a carcinogen that is absorbed through the skin.
>>
>> I think that at some point it was Grecian Formula #5, not #9. I
>> wouldn't swear to it, though.
>
> Have we all lost the ability to Google?...I finally managed to
> conjure up the announcer's voice in my mind's ear, and the gestalt
> of the product name as recited came flooding back:
>
> It's "Grecian Formula 16"...still being sold, further information
> at http://www.folica.com/haircolor/gf16_htfor.htm ....
I'm talking about the stuff that was sold 30+ years ago, not the stuff
on the market today. I can't ask my #2-ex, because I don't where she
is, and her father has passed on to a place where the color of one's
hair is of zero consequence.
Larry Phillips
The breed is Arabian, not Arab.
Larry
---
There are 10 kinds of people --
those who understand binary, and those who don't.
-- Uncle Phil
Oliver Cromm
> You're right. It's just Grecian Formula for Men, and it contains
> lead acetate, a carcinogen that is absorbed through the skin.
And I thought formula was for babies.
--
Oliver Cromm
On the green grass before the tent his chair,
Where Rollant stood and that bold Oliver
Raymond S. Wise
news:j0ea8v0rsstdgaieh...@4ax.com...
> The Gary Vellenzer entity posted thusly:
>
> >In article <Xns934BC6307C8...@206.167.113.5>, o...@c.de says...
> >> Quoth Arcadian Rises:
> >>
> >> >>From: Oliver Cromm o...@c.de
> >> >
> >> >>How do you use Arab, Arabic, Arabian?
> >> >
> >> > Crossing the Arabian Desert on an Arabian camel, an Arab was
> >> > wistling the Arabesque of Schumman while chewing Arabic gum.
> >>
> >> [whistling, Schumann]
> >>
> >> Nice one. I hoped for Arab as an adjective, though.
> >>
> >> Arab world, Arab Americans come to mind, but are there examples outside
> >> of compounds?
> >>
> >Some of them ride Arab horses, not Arabian camels, across the Arabian
> >desert.
>
> The breed is Arabian, not Arab.
Everyone who does crossword puzzles knows that the Arabian horse is also
called an "Arab." Just to make sure, however, I checked with four online
dictionaries. *Merriam-Webster's Collegiate,* the AHD4, and the dictionary
at www.infoplease.com gave the horse for one of the meanings of "Arab." Only
the *Encarta* failed to do so, although it noted that "Arab" is used
attributively, which could in principle account for "Arab horse." It would
be a short step from that to "Arab" (as "Arabian" is a short step from
"Arabian horse").
--
Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com
Paul Rooney
<illinoi...@mninter.net> wrote:
>"Larry Phillips" <sa...@non.com> wrote in message
>news:j0ea8v0rsstdgaieh...@4ax.com...
>> The Gary Vellenzer entity posted thusly:
>>
>> >In article <Xns934BC6307C8...@206.167.113.5>, o...@c.de says...
>> >> Quoth Arcadian Rises:
>> >>
>> >> >>From: Oliver Cromm o...@c.de
>> >> >
>> >> >>How do you use Arab, Arabic, Arabian?
>> >> >
>> >> > Crossing the Arabian Desert on an Arabian camel, an Arab was
>> >> > wistling the Arabesque of Schumman while chewing Arabic gum.
>> >>
>> >> [whistling, Schumann]
>> >>
>> >> Nice one. I hoped for Arab as an adjective, though.
>> >>
>> >> Arab world, Arab Americans come to mind, but are there examples outside
>> >> of compounds?
>> >>
>> >Some of them ride Arab horses, not Arabian camels, across the Arabian
>> >desert.
>>
>> The breed is Arabian, not Arab.
>
>
>Everyone who does crossword puzzles knows that the Arabian horse is also
>called an "Arab."
I've never heard it referred to as anything other than 'Arab'.
--
Paul
http://www.paulrooney.connectfree.co.uk/myweb/index.htm
(Under construction)
mickwick
>R H Draney <dado...@earthlink.net> burbled
>> Have we all lost the ability to Google?...I finally managed to
>> conjure up the announcer's voice in my mind's ear, and the gestalt
>> of the product name as recited came flooding back:
>>
>> It's "Grecian Formula 16"...still being sold, further information
>> at http://www.folica.com/haircolor/gf16_htfor.htm ....
>
>I'm talking about the stuff that was sold 30+ years ago, not the stuff
>on the market today. I can't ask my #2-ex, because I don't where she
>is, and her father has passed on to a place where the color of one's
>hair is of zero consequence.
It's called 'Grecian 2000' over here. There's also a 'Lady Grecian
2000'. The TV ads used to be famous for the stilted delivery of the
voice-overs.
Here's a testimonial from Mr. Desmond Swayne, MP for New Forest, West:
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199900/cmhansrd/v
o000211/debtext/00211-12.htm
===
Mr. Maclean: If that highly vigilant publican had been uncertain 15
years ago about my hon. Friend's age, is my hon. Friend not concerned
about the enormous difficulties that would face young girls and young
men at check-out points who themselves might be only 17 or 18? They
serve customers, but they might not have all the necessary cognitive
skills to identify the age of the person passing through the check-out
with a load of alcohol.
Mr. Swayne: That is, of course, true. However, I must point out to my
right hon. Friend that, 15 years ago, I used Grecian 2000. That might
have led to the mistake that the publican made.
===
--
Mickwick
MC
mickwick <mick...@use.reply.to> wrote:
> It's called 'Grecian 2000' over here.
Strange how the same product can have eslightly different names in
different markets -- Oil of Olay/Oil of Ulay comes to mind, and I'm sure
there are others.
Then there are the products that are different, but share the same name:
Mars bars contain hazelnuts in the US, but don't in Canada and the UK.
david56
> In article <VyIrsdA3...@shropshire.plus.com>,
> mickwick <mick...@use.reply.to> wrote:
>
>>It's called 'Grecian 2000' over here.
>
> Strange how the same product can have eslightly different names in
> different markets -- Oil of Olay/Oil of Ulay comes to mind, and I'm sure
> there are others.
So strange that the Oil people have renamed it Olay in the UK, after
decades of Ulay. The same goes for Marathon/Snickers, Opel
Fruits/Sunburst (is this right?), Jif/Cif.
> Then there are the products that are different, but share the same name:
> Mars bars contain hazelnuts in the US, but don't in Canada and the UK.
That's not my experience. I've expounded on this here in the past, but
AFAIK:
UK Mars = US Three Musketeers
US Mars = UK Milky Way
There is also an Almond Mars Bar, seen rarely the UK, delicious though
it is. For some reason it appears on cross channel ferries.
--
David
I say what it occurs to me to say.
=====
The address is valid today, but I will change it to keep ahead of the
spammers.
MC
david56 <bass.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > Strange how the same product can have eslightly different names in
> > different markets -- Oil of Olay/Oil of Ulay comes to mind, and I'm sure
> > there are others.
>
> So strange that the Oil people have renamed it Olay in the UK, after
> decades of Ulay.
Referred to as "Oil of Ollie" chez moi, in honour of our cat Ollie.
Dena Jo
> I'm talking about the stuff that was sold 30+ years ago, not the
> stuff on the market today.
I keep thinking it was Grecian Formula 44.
--
Dena Jo
(Email: Replace TPUBGTH with denajo2)
CyberCypher
news:Xns934D5E1A...@130.133.1.4:
> On 28 Mar 2003, CyberCypher posted thus:
>
>> I'm talking about the stuff that was sold 30+ years ago, not the
>> stuff on the market today.
>
> I keep thinking it was Grecian Formula 44.
That might have been the version they sold in Texas:
"Grecian Formula .44"
Skitt
> CyberCypher wrote:
>> You're right. It's just Grecian Formula for Men, and it contains
>> lead acetate, a carcinogen that is absorbed through the skin.
>
> And I thought formula was for babies.
No, racing, actually.
Ray Heindl
That's the version I remember, too (without the decimal point). But a
Google search shows only 26 out of 3000+ hits on "Grecian Formula" are
for "Grecian Formula 44", so it must not be a very common version of
the name. "Grecian Formula 16" gets 242.
--
Ray Heindl
(remove the X to reply)
R H Draney
news:Xns934DB217...@216.168.3.44:
>> Dena Jo <TPUBGTH.don't.use.this...@yahoo.com> burbled
>> news:Xns934D5E1A...@130.133.1.4:
>>
>>> I keep thinking it was Grecian Formula 44.
>>
> But a Google search shows only 26 out of 3000+ hits on "Grecian
> Formula" are for "Grecian Formula 44", so it must not be a very
> common version of the name. "Grecian Formula 16" gets 242.
And "Vicks formula 44" gets 752...obviously interference from another
aisle of the drugstore....r
Dena Jo
> And "Vicks formula 44"
I'll betcha that's what I was thinking of!
Ray Heindl
> On 29 Mar 2003, R H Draney posted thus:
>
>> And "Vicks formula 44"
>
> I'll betcha that's what I was thinking of!
But what about "Grecian Formula 409"? It not only darkens your hair,
but cleans spots out of it at the same time.
Larry Phillips
It's a misuse of the term. It is functionally equivalent to calling
the 'Canada Goose' a 'Canadian Goose'.
Larry Phillips
It's a misuse. Arabian is the breed, regardless of 'what most people
call it'.
Larry Phillips
>In article <VyIrsdA3...@shropshire.plus.com>,
> mickwick <mick...@use.reply.to> wrote:
>
>> It's called 'Grecian 2000' over here.
>
>Strange how the same product can have eslightly different names in
>different markets -- Oil of Olay/Oil of Ulay comes to mind, and I'm sure
>there are others.
Every time I hear that, I think of 'made from deceased matadors'.
>Then there are the products that are different, but share the same name:
>Mars bars contain hazelnuts in the US, but don't in Canada and the UK.
Do they contain filberts in Canada or the UK? I don't eat them, so
I've never noticed.
Raymond S. Wise
The example of the "Canada/Canadian Goose" appears to be a non sequitur.
Whatever name people give to a species or breed is the name of the species
or breed and cannot by any stretch of the imagination be considered a
"misuse."
Or are you making some assertion such as "The American buffalo is not really
a buffalo, it's a bison"? If so, I'm happy to grant that biologists and
animal breeders have a right to determine the official name *they* give to a
given group of animals.That has no bearing whatsoever on the popular name of
an animal, which is that name by which people actually refer to it.
Paul Rooney
wrote:
>>>
>>>Everyone who does crossword puzzles knows that the Arabian horse is also
>>>called an "Arab."
>>
>>I've never heard it referred to as anything other than 'Arab'.
>
>It's a misuse. Arabian is the breed, regardless of 'what most people
>call it'.
>
Not according to Chambers, COD and your analogy with the Canada goose.
Linz
"david56" <bass.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:3E85B27...@ntlworld.com...
> MC wrote:
> > Then there are the products that are different, but share the same name:
> > Mars bars contain hazelnuts in the US, but don't in Canada and the UK.
>
> That's not my experience. I've expounded on this here in the past, but
> AFAIK:
>
> UK Mars = US Three Musketeers
> US Mars = UK Milky Way
Maybe I'm a bit thick, this being a Monday, but aren't you agreeing with MC?
We have two products that share a name - Mars - but are different.
We did a tasting at one AUE boink, many years ago. Very nice it was too!
Linz
> The MC entity posted thusly:
> >Then there are the products that are different, but share the same name:
> >Mars bars contain hazelnuts in the US, but don't in Canada and the UK.
>
> Do they contain filberts in Canada or the UK? I don't eat them, so
> I've never noticed.
There are no nuts at all in UK Mars bars.
david56
The unseasonable big yellow thing in the sky above Manchester may have
addled your wits - worry not, it will soon be gone.
To me, an American Mars Bar is what you and I would think is a Milky
Way, which contains no hazelnuts. It was the nuts I was disagreeing with.
John Hall
wrote:
>
>"Larry Phillips" <sa...@non.com> wrote in message
>news:o6hf8vsd28o7ug90p...@4ax.com...
>> The MC entity posted thusly:
>
>> >Then there are the products that are different, but share the same name:
>> >Mars bars contain hazelnuts in the US, but don't in Canada and the UK.
I had a jolting experience with Noxema (IIRC). In Britain this was an
antiseptic skin cream for (or against) zits. Reasonable effective and
harmless. Having been conscripted into the RAF, I found myself in
Ceylon (now Sri Lanka). Zits happened. Found some Noxema in the NAAFI
store. Noted that is was from Australia, and the instructions said "if
you have not used this before, dilute with petroleum jelly the first
few days". I had used Noxema before, so I just slapped it on. A few
minutes later it felt like a blowtorch was blasting my face. It did
fix the zits though - they probably came off with those three layers
of skin.
>There are no nuts at all in UK Mars bars.
I noticed that some bars which have no nuts, do have a warning that
they were processed in a plant that also produces products containing
nuts, possibly including peanuts. Those folks with peanut allergies
have to be eternally watchful.
--
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MC
david56 <bass.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> It was the nuts I was disagreeing with.
That's newsgroups for you!
MC
Larry Phillips <sa...@non.com> wrote:
> >Then there are the products that are different, but share the same name:
> >Mars bars contain hazelnuts in the US, but don't in Canada and the UK.
>
> Do they contain filberts in Canada or the UK? I don't eat them, so
> I've never noticed.
Canadian Mars bars are filbert-free, just as God intended.
MC
"Raymond S. Wise" <illinoi...@mninter.net> wrote:
> Or are you making some assertion such as "The American buffalo is not really
> a buffalo, it's a bison"?
Well there is a significant difference between them.
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You can't wash your hands in a buffalo.
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I thank you very much. Kindly leave the stage.
Linz
> Linz wrote:
> > "david56" <bass.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:3E85B27...@ntlworld.com...
> >
> >> MC wrote:
> >
> >>> Then there are the products that are different, but share the
> >>> same name: Mars bars contain hazelnuts in the US, but don't in
> >>> Canada and the UK.
> >>
> >> That's not my experience. I've expounded on this here in the past,
> >> but AFAIK:
> >>
> >> UK Mars = US Three Musketeers
> >> US Mars = UK Milky Way
> >
> > Maybe I'm a bit thick, this being a Monday, but aren't you agreeing
> > with MC? We have two products that share a name - Mars - but are
> > different.
> >
> > We did a tasting at one AUE boink, many years ago. Very nice it was
> > too!
>
> The unseasonable big yellow thing in the sky above Manchester may have
> addled your wits - worry not, it will soon be gone.
Taking my wits with it, I suspect.
> To me, an American Mars Bar is what you and I would think is a Milky
> Way, which contains no hazelnuts. It was the nuts I was disagreeing with.
Yes, but if I saw a thing in a shop called Mars Bar I would think, "oh, a
Mars bar", not "oh, a Mily Way". Two different products with the same name.
We all seem to be agreeing.
Mike Lyle
> In article <3fa4d950.03032...@posting.google.com>,
> mike_l...@yahoo.co.uk (Mike Lyle) writes:
>
> >Grecian used, of course, to be applied to Greek people too, and I wish
> >it still was: much more elegant. It also used to refer to one who
> >studied Greek -- perhaps in some places it still does, I don't know.
> >
>
> Nah, it wouldn't rhyme:
> Beware Grecians bearing...bribes?
Rhyme?
Mike.
david56
One last try, then I will conclude my powers of explanation have fled.
amongst other things, MC said:
> Mars bars contain hazelnuts in the US
I doubted this on the grounds that I have not encountered a US Mars bar
which contains nuts.
Arcadian Rises
mike_l...@yahoo.co.uk (Mike Lyle) writes:
>> Nah, it wouldn't rhyme:
>> Beware Grecians bearing...bribes?
>
>Rhyme?
>
I was alluding to yet another cliche regarding the Greecks: "Beware Greeks
bearing gifts" where "Greeks" somehow rhyme with "gifts".
Dena Jo
> To me, an American Mars Bar is what you and I would think is a
> Milky Way, which contains no hazelnuts. It was the nuts I was
> disagreeing with.
Then what do you call the American Milky Way bar?
Dena Jo
>
>> Mars bars contain hazelnuts in the US
I thought Mars bars in the U.S. contained almonds.
MC
Dena Jo <TPUBGTH.don't.use.this...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It was the nuts I was disagreeing with.
I'm always disagreeong with nuts.
>
> Then what do you call the American Milky Way bar?
"That American muck" is, I believe, the usual expression.
Ray Heindl
>> amongst other things, MC said:
>>
>>> Mars bars contain hazelnuts in the US
>
> I thought Mars bars in the U.S. contained almonds.
Back in my candy-bar-eating days they were called Mars Almond Bars, or
MABs for short. I don't recall anything called just Mars Bars, but
logically they might have been the almondless version of the MAB.
Here's what appears to be the definitive (and possibly obsessive)
comparison: <http://totl.net/VisibleMars/>. The USan one is labeled
"Mars chocolate almond bar creamy caramel and nougat" and the UKan one
"Mars milk chocolate with soft nougat and caramel centre".
Evan Kirshenbaum
> You can't wash your hands in a buffalo.
Are you sure about that? The OED says
1 f. An amphibious tank.
Is there a particular reason that ablutions are impossible in one?
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david56
> On 31 Mar 2003, david56 posted thus:
>
>>To me, an American Mars Bar is what you and I would think is a
>>Milky Way, which contains no hazelnuts. It was the nuts I was
>>disagreeing with.
>
> Then what do you call the American Milky Way bar?
That depends where I am. Should I be in Leftpondia, I call it a Milky
Way (not that I've ever asked for one over there).
The UK Milky Way could be described as "Milk Chocolate with a Light
Whipped White Centre" (as it is on one web site). The US Milky Way is
described by Mars as "made of chocolate malt-flavored nougat and caramel
covered with milk chocolate".
I'm beginning to wonder now whether I've misremembered the differences.
I have to admit that it's over 20 years since I experimented with
these comestibles. The description above of a US Milky Way sounds more
like a UK Mars Bar. I will take a note to trawl US supermarkets for
chocolate bars on my next visit (July, I believe), and report back.
Dena Jo
> I will take a note to trawl US supermarkets for
> chocolate bars on my next visit (July, I believe), and report back.
Where in the U.S. will you be visiting?
david56
> On 31 Mar 2003, david56 posted thus:
>
>>I will take a note to trawl US supermarkets for
>>chocolate bars on my next visit (July, I believe), and report back.
>
> Where in the U.S. will you be visiting?
Las Vegas, if all goes to plan. Dreadful place, but a week in Las Vegas
is better than no trip at all.
MC
Evan Kirshenbaum <kirsh...@hpl.hp.com> wrote:
> > You can't wash your hands in a buffalo.
>
> Are you sure about that? The OED says
>
> 1 f. An amphibious tank.
>
> Is there a particular reason that ablutions are impossible in one?
Damn!
I could have slipped that one by any other news group...
John Hall
<bass.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>Las Vegas, if all goes to plan. Dreadful place, but a week in Las Vegas
>is better than no trip at all.
Lucky you didn't win second prize: two weeks in Las Vegas.
R J Valentine
...
} You can't wash your hands in a buffalo.
How about if it's a water buffalo?
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MC
R J Valentine <r...@smart.net> wrote:
> } You can't wash your hands in a buffalo.
>
> How about if it's a water buffalo?
>
OK. I surrender.
MC
> } You can't wash your hands in a buffalo.
>
> How about if it's a water buffalo?
>
Aaaaargh!
Dena Jo
> The USan one is labeled
> "Mars chocolate almond bar creamy caramel and nougat"
That's the one I know and love. I always buy a bag of Mars bars to
give out on Halloween but save that bag to open last, just in case...
R H Draney
news:copeSPAMZAP-D1B1...@mail.inter.net:
> You can't wash your hands in a buffalo.
But you can be happy if you've a mind to....r
Larry Phillips
>On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 22:50:35 -0600, Larry Phillips <sa...@non.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>>>>
>>>>Everyone who does crossword puzzles knows that the Arabian horse is also
>>>>called an "Arab."
>>>
>>>I've never heard it referred to as anything other than 'Arab'.
>>
>>It's a misuse. Arabian is the breed, regardless of 'what most people
>>call it'.
>>
>
>Not according to Chambers, COD and your analogy with the Canada goose.
I'll take the word of the IAHA (and many other Arabian Horse
associations), in calling them 'Arabians'. That IS the name of the
breed, and they should know. If a dictionary says it's 'Arab', it
should be clearly marked as non-standard or slang.
A lot of folks say "Appy" when they are referring to the Appaloosa,
but It's still an Appaloosa.
Calling a sheep a dog won't make it bark.
Larry
---
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Larry Phillips
>The example of the "Canada/Canadian Goose" appears to be a non sequitur.
Not really. The name of the species is /Canada Goose/, and calling it
a /Canadian Goose/ is a misuse of the term Canadian.
>Whatever name people give to a species or breed is the name of the species
>or breed and cannot by any stretch of the imagination be considered a
>"misuse."
>
>Or are you making some assertion such as "The American buffalo is not really
>a buffalo, it's a bison"?
No, I'm asserting that the name "Arab" when applied to a horse that is
actually an 'Arabian', is incorrect [1]. The breed is called the
"Arabian", by all bodies specifying the characteristics of the breed.
If so, I'm happy to grant that biologists and
>animal breeders have a right to determine the official name *they* give to a
>given group of animals.That has no bearing whatsoever on the popular name of
>an animal, which is that name by which people actually refer to it.
[1] Incorrect in this case means that the name of the breed is
established by the governing bodies of various countries(and
international ones) that define not only the characteristics of the
breed, but what the breed is called.
If you want to call an Arabian and Arab, that's fine with me, but it's
(to offer another example) equivalent to calling a 'Newfoundland' dog
a 'Newfie'.
Larry Phillips
Only in the same way that 'chair' rhymes with 'ottoman'.
Beware of geeks bearing GIFs.
R J Valentine
Oh, man! STS! "Chug-a-lug! Chug-a-lug!" back at you.
Paul Rooney
wrote:
>>>
>>
>>Not according to Chambers, COD and your analogy with the Canada goose.
>
>I'll take the word of the IAHA (and many other Arabian Horse
>associations), in calling them 'Arabians'. That IS the name of the
>breed, and they should know.
They should know - it sounds like they're being posh. There are plenty
of 'Arab horse' associations too!
> If a dictionary says it's 'Arab', it
>should be clearly marked as non-standard or slang.
>
It would be so marked, but it's not slang or non-standard. It's the
real, proper English, as spoken by the English.
>A lot of folks say "Appy" when they are referring to the Appaloosa,
>but It's still an Appaloosa.
>
>Calling a sheep a dog won't make it bark.
>
What do you do when someone disagrees, other than check the
dictionary? All mine give it as 'Arab'. Do we get into a dictionary
war? I suspect it's an American thing.
--
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http://www.paulrooney.connectfree.co.uk/myweb/index.htm
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R J Valentine
} The Arcadian Rises entity posted thusly:
}
}>In article <3fa4d950.03033...@posting.google.com>,
}>mike_l...@yahoo.co.uk (Mike Lyle) writes:
}>
}>>> Nah, it wouldn't rhyme:
}>>> Beware Grecians bearing...bribes?
}>>
}>>Rhyme?
}>>
}>
}>I was alluding to yet another cliche regarding the Greecks: "Beware Greeks
}>bearing gifts" where "Greeks" somehow rhyme with "gifts".
}
} Only in the same way that 'chair' rhymes with 'ottoman'.
...
Well, maybe in the way that "chair" rhymes with "chiaro". It was forty
some years ago for me, but wasn't it "Timeo Danao et dona ferentes", give
or take a little?
Raymond S. Wise
news:arbi8voif744pjbid...@4ax.com...
You are simply wrong on this point, flatly wrong. Usage is king. Breeders
determine only the term used by breeders. They do *not* determine the
standard term in American English for the breed in question: That is
determined by the usage of educated speakers.
The US Federal government requires that material which is flammable, when
required to carry a warning, must use the term "flammable" and not
"inflammable." This does not in the slightest change the fact that
"inflammable" continues to be a standard variant of "flammable" among
Americans.
Similarly, until recent years, candy manufacturers in the US were not
allowed to call "white chocolate" the substance which in Europe was called
"white chocolate." This requirement affected not at all the status of "white
chocolate" as a standard term used by educated speakers of American English.
And if the European Union has succeeded or if they in the future succeed in
disallowing the labeling of traditional British sausage as "sausage," that
will have no bearing whatsover on the standard term for that item in British
English. Whatever the EU decides, it will continue to be "sausage."
--
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E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com
Raymond S. Wise
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"Timeo Danaos et Dona Ferentes" were two people referred to by name by a
character in one of the Asterix books, in the original French, of course. I
have no idea what the translators did when it came to translating that bit
of dialog into English.
Paul Rooney
<illinoi...@mninter.net> wrote:
>You are simply wrong on this point, flatly wrong.
Indeed. They've been known as 'Arabs' since long before any of these
associations came into being. It's not a short form, and it's not
slang.
Simon R. Hughes
> You are simply wrong on this point, flatly wrong. Usage is king. Breeders
> determine only the term used by breeders. They do *not* determine the
> standard term in American English for the breed in question: That is
> determined by the usage of educated speakers.
That's rather heterophobic, don't you think?
But seriously, the "educated speakers" bit kills me every time.
--
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War is Peace!
Raymond S. Wise
news:MPG.18f398946...@news.online.no...
?
There are no standard dialects except in those languages which have writing.
Educated speakers know how to write and so are the ones whose usage
determines what is acceptable in the standard dialect, including in that
dialect's informal register.
Mike Lyle
> "Larry Phillips" <sa...@non.com> wrote in message
> news:arbi8voif744pjbid...@4ax.com...
> > The Raymond S. Wise entity posted thusly:
> >
> > >The example of the "Canada/Canadian Goose" appears to be a non sequitur.
> >
> > Not really. The name of the species is /Canada Goose/, and calling it
> > a /Canadian Goose/ is a misuse of the term Canadian.
And calling an Arab who doesn't come from Arabia an Arabian would be
an analogous misuse.
I know you're talking only about horses, Larry, but "Arab" isn't
actually an abbreviation of "Arabian": "Arabia/n" is the derivative
word here, from Latin *Arabs* or *Arabus*, from Greek *Araps*.
The usual term for the horse in British (and Aus, though my late
father is a sample of only one) horsey circles known to me is "Arab",
whether as noun or adjective, though "Arabian" has been parallel from
early times (but an authority as late as OED1 doesn't mention it,
which may perhaps be significant). The Br organisation is called The
Arab Horse Society or Association (can't remember which). I can't
speak for America, but see below.
(In any case the term is loose, as at least one of the original
English Arabs, the Godolphin, was actually a Barb from Morocco; and I
think Barbs were or are a separate line. Another was Syrian. I think
it unlikely that any of the original three or so came from Arabia in
the narrow sense, but I'm happy to be corrected. One was called "The
[forgotten] Turk", but that isn't evidence, given the way people used
the word at the time.)
> >
[...]
> >
> > No, I'm asserting that the name "Arab" when applied to a horse that is
> > actually an 'Arabian', is incorrect [1]. The breed is called the
> > "Arabian", by all bodies specifying the characteristics of the breed.
> >
> > If so, I'm happy to grant that biologists and
> > >animal breeders have a right to determine the official name *they* give
> to a
> > >given group of animals.That has no bearing whatsoever on the popular name
> of
> > >an animal, which is that name by which people actually refer to it.
[...]
> >
> > If you want to call an Arabian and Arab, that's fine with me, but it's
> > (to offer another example) equivalent to calling a 'Newfoundland' dog
> > a 'Newfie'.
This may be true in America: you know more than I do. But I suggest
that for a change the British usage actually may have some bearing on
what's "correct" in the US, since it's such a narrow specialist area
and the British invented it. Bloodstock exports from England to the
Americas started very early on, so I imagine the words accompanied the
animals; if this is true, then "Arab" isn't an abbreviation, even in
US, and even if deprecated by enthusiasts, but an alternative. In that
case, perhaps we could split the difference and agree that "Arabian"
is the *formal* term in the US?
>
>
> Usage is king.[...]
>
> The US Federal government requires that material which is flammable, when
> required to carry a warning, must use the term "flammable" and not
> "inflammable." This does not in the slightest change the fact that
> "inflammable" continues to be a standard variant of "flammable" among
> Americans.
I agree, except that of course "flammable" is probably the variant,
even though quite an early one. And "inflammable" is certainly dying
out in Br: in the mid-'70s I asked a group of Br teenagers the
opposite of "flammable" and got "inflammable" from, ISTR, all of them.
>
> Similarly, until recent years, candy manufacturers in the US were not
> allowed to call "white chocolate" the substance which in Europe was called
> "white chocolate." This requirement affected not at all the status of "white
> chocolate" as a standard term used by educated speakers of American English.
>
> And if the European Union has succeeded or if they in the future succeed in
> disallowing the labeling of traditional British sausage as "sausage," that
> will have no bearing whatsover on the standard term for that item in British
> English. Whatever the EU decides, it will continue to be "sausage."
"Yes, Minister!" But I think official usage can change popular usage:
it may take a long time, but if generations are perpetually shown only
one expression it must in some cases supplant the earlier one.
"Flammable" seems to me a clear example of a quick change brought
about in this way, though admittedly the shift was helped by the
apparent ambiguity of the prefix *in-*. Very long-term examples would
be "beef" and "mutton".
Mike.
Evan Kirshenbaum
> They should know - it sounds like they're being posh. There are plenty
> of 'Arab horse' associations too!
There are about ten mentioned on 15 pages by a Google search for "arab
horse association". There are 6,020 hits for "arabian horse
association". "Arabian horse registry" similarly beats "arab horse
registry" 3,010 to 13. "Society" is closer: 1,450:773, nearly all
refering to one organization in the UK.
> > If a dictionary says it's 'Arab', it should be clearly marked as
> >non-standard or slang.
>
> It would be so marked, but it's not slang or non-standard. It's the
> real, proper English, as spoken by the English.
Like those who run the "UK Arabian Horse Breeders Directory" at
http://www.arabian.demon.co.uk/
(Yes, I know that they have a link to the "Arab Horse Society" on the
page, but they're a member of the "Arabian Web Ring".)
> What do you do when someone disagrees, other than check the
> dictionary? All mine give it as 'Arab'. Do we get into a dictionary
> war? I suspect it's an American thing.
The OED gives it as "Arab" and "Arabian horse", with the definition
under "Arab". The quotes for "Arabian horse" are
1737 S. BERINGTON _Mem. G. di Lucca_ 47 The Arabian Horses are the
best in the World, tho' not very large.
1807 'CERVANTES HOGG' _Rising Sun_ III. xvi. 166 The
prince,..mounted on an Arabian horse as fleet as the wind,
followed with the utmost eagerness.
for "Arab", only given as a noun
a1666 EVELYN _Diary_ 25 Oct. an. 1644 (1955) II. 195 A stable of
incomparable Horses of all Countries, Arabs, Turks, Barbs,
[etc.].
1844 DISRAELI _Coningsby_ III. iii. 274 'A fine Arab, the finest
in the world!' said the Duke, who was very fond of horses.
1880 G. A. MACKAY _21 Days in India_ 114 Next morning sees the
entire party..mounted on Arabs.
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Evan Kirshenbaum
> "Simon R. Hughes" <shu...@tromso.online.no> wrote in message
> news:MPG.18f398946...@news.online.no...
> > Thus Spake Raymond S. Wise:
> >
> > > You are simply wrong on this point, flatly wrong. Usage is
> > > king. Breeders determine only the term used by breeders. They do
> > > *not* determine the standard term in American English for the
> > > breed in question: That is determined by the usage of educated
> > > speakers.
> >
> > That's rather heterophobic, don't you think?
>
> ?
I have to agree with Simon, here. I don't see any reason why gays
aren't just as bound by the defnitions straights use than straights
are. Unless the terminology specifically has to do with sexual
orientation or something having to do with gay culture, of course.
(We still don't do smileys here, right?)
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Evan Kirshenbaum
> The OED gives it as "Arab" and "Arabian horse", with the definition
> under "Arab". The quotes for "Arabian horse" are
>
> 1737 S. BERINGTON _Mem. G. di Lucca_ 47 The Arabian Horses are the
> best in the World, tho' not very large.
> 1807 'CERVANTES HOGG' _Rising Sun_ III. xvi. 166 The
> prince,..mounted on an Arabian horse as fleet as the wind,
> followed with the utmost eagerness.
>
> for "Arab", only given as a noun
>
> a1666 EVELYN _Diary_ 25 Oct. an. 1644 (1955) II. 195 A stable of
> incomparable Horses of all Countries, Arabs, Turks, Barbs,
> [etc.].
> 1844 DISRAELI _Coningsby_ III. iii. 274 'A fine Arab, the finest
> in the world!' said the Duke, who was very fond of horses.
> 1880 G. A. MACKAY _21 Days in India_ 114 Next morning sees the
> entire party..mounted on Arabs.
Following up on it myself, I forgot that they also give it as
"Arabian" as a noun:
1770 H. BROOKE _Fool of Qual._ V. 299 Her six spotted Arabians.
1792 A. YOUNG _Trav. in France_ 16 There are all kinds of horses,
but chiefly Arabian, Turkish and English. Three years ago
four Arabians were imported.
1824 M. R. MITFORD _Our Village I_. 101 That gay, gallant boy, on
the gallant white Arabian.
1966 R. STOUT _Death of Doxy_ (1967) ix. 94 She liked horses and
had four Arabians.
The first (1770) quote is from an Irish author who studied law in
London. The second (1774) quote is from an Englishman. The third
(1824) is an English poet. I suspect that "Arabian" is not an
Americanism.
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Jacqui
> (In any case the term is loose, as at least one of the original
> English Arabs, the Godolphin, was actually a Barb from Morocco;
> and I think Barbs were or are a separate line. Another was Syrian.
> I think it unlikely that any of the original three or so came from
> Arabia in the narrow sense, but I'm happy to be corrected. One was
> called "The [forgotten] Turk", but that isn't evidence, given the
> way people used the word at the time.)
The Byerley Turk, the Godolphin Barb or Arabian (sources differ) and
the Darley Arabian are the three stallions that all English racehorses
are (supposedly) descended from. http://www.derbypost.com/history2.html
gives Arabian for Godolphin but my books say Barb.
The Arab Horse Society is the organization you were thinking of. They
have a very irritating website at http://www.arabhorsesoc-uk.com/
http://www.angloarab.com/ is a US site, which uses both Arab and
Arabian. Almost all the horses I've known (where appropriate) were
described as Arab rather than Arabian.
Jac