What does 'I make weal' mean?

[Dingbat]

What does 'I make weal' mean? To the common man, a weal is a bruise. The closest sounding in other Bibles is 'I make well-being'. Who uses 'weal' to mean 'well-being'?

Weal must have recently been in use with this meaning since the RSV and its successors have in Isaiah 45:7:

I form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe; I the Lord do all these things.

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Isaiah%2045%

[Peter T. Daniels]

It's clear from the context that it's an opposite of "woe." Cf. "commonweal."
Is there some other noun that would pair well with "woe" in both assonance and
syllable count?

[Dingbat]

syllable count?

Ah, assonance! But has anyone used weal recently?

[Horace LaBadie]

In article <ca6b41da-ad66-4a1b...@googlegroups.com>,

Commonwealth is used every day. Twice on Sundays.

[martin.ambuhl]

On 06/25/2016 09:27 PM, Dingbat wrote:
> What does 'I make weal' mean? To the common man, a weal is a bruise. The closest sounding in other Bibles is 'I make well-being'. Who uses 'weal' to mean 'well-being'?

I don't believe that "weal" means _anything_ to "the common man". And
"bruise" is an understatement: a whip leaves a bit more of a mark than
that (this meaning is related to words like "wale" and "welt").

> Weal must have recently been in use with this meaning since the RSV and its successors have in Isaiah 45:7:
>
> I form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe; I the Lord do all these things.

If you had read any historical political theory, you would have known
"commonweal" and its relative "commonwealth".

[1913 Webster]
1. A sound, healthy, or prosperous state of a person or
thing; prosperity; happiness; welfare.

God . . . grant you wele and prosperity. --Chaucer.

As we love the weal of our souls and bodies.

To him linked in weal or woe. --Milton.

Never was there a time when it more concerned the
public weal that the character of the Parliament
should stand high. --Macaulay.

2. The body politic; the state; common wealth. [Obs.]

The special watchmen of our English weal. --Shak.

[Ross]

Not me.

As of 1926, when OED passed by, the sense "welfare, well-being, happiness,
prosperity" had not been marked obsolete. But their most recent citation
was from Tennyson, 1859 -- a known serial archaizer. It doesn't seem to
have been used outside of "poetic" language since the 17th century.

On its own, it's dead, but in fixed expressions paired with "woe"
or "common" you can still hear it, though the obsolete lexis makes
it sound obscure.

The "mark on the skin" word is not related.

[Don Phillipson]

"Dingbat" <ranjit_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0a4aa792-10bb-45df...@googlegroups.com...

> What does 'I make weal' mean? To the common man, a weal is a bruise. The
> closest sounding in other Bibles is 'I make well-being'. Who uses 'weal'
> to
> mean 'well-being'?

Ans.= everyone who uses the word welfare. Its particle wel- is how
we spell weal nowadays.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

[Will Parsons]

Not me, but I notice the mines in the Poldark series have names like
"Weal Leisure", &c.

I would regard the word as literary, but I'm certainly familiar with it.

--
Will

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On 26 Jun 2016 18:51:58 GMT, Will Parsons <va...@nodomain.invalid>
wrote:

In that context it come from the Cornish language.

http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/149391/what-is-a-wheal

Question:

Indulging some idle curiosity about Cornish mining I noticed that
many of the mines are named wheal: Wheal Kitty, Wheal Jane and East
Wheal Rose, among others.

Answers:

OED has

wheal n.3
Etymology: < Cornish huel.
local.

A mine.

1830 Eng. & For. Mining Gloss.


Wheal is an Anglicisation of the Cornish word.

It's interesting that Wiktionary's earliest citation appears to
predate OED:

1829, Thomas Moore, The History of Devonshire, page 528,
The four last-mentioned mines, Wheal Crowndale, Wheal Crebor,
East Liscombe, and Wheal Tamar, are on the same lode, which
ranges as usual from east to west, and are included in a space
of about four miles in length.

although since it contains data for 1830, it cannot have been
published in 1829. The book contains a better citation in the
footnote on page 527:

Wheal (or rather huel) is said to be derived from the Cornish
language, and to signify a work or mine.


It's just the local name for a mine, as tor is for a hill. The OED
says it derives from Cornish huel, but I can find no such word in
modern Cornish (though admittedly all variants of Cornish now in use
were created some time after the mines closed down).


The modern variant is apparently hwel. According to Jago’s 1887
dictionary, the original meaning of the word (which he writes, whêl,
wheal, wheyl, wheil, whyl, wail, whela, wheela, huel, huêl, hwêl,
hweyl, and probably half a dozen other ways, too) is neither ‘mine’
nor ‘hole’, but work: a mine is ‘the workings’. A workman/worker is
given as dên huél (dên = person, man), too. My knowledge of Cornish
is far too limited to know if he’s right, though. – Janus Bahs
Jacquet Mar 22 '15 at 23:35


--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[Jerry Friedman]

On 6/26/16 6:14 AM, Don Phillipson wrote:
> "Dingbat" <ranjit_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:0a4aa792-10bb-45df...@googlegroups.com...
>
>> What does 'I make weal' mean? To the common man, a weal is a bruise. The
>> closest sounding in other Bibles is 'I make well-being'. Who uses 'weal'
>> to
>> mean 'well-being'?
>
> Ans.= everyone who uses the word welfare. Its particle wel- is how
> we spell weal nowadays.

No, that "wel-" is what we now spell "well". It's related to "weal",
though. All from etymonline.com and the OED.

--
Jerry Friedman
"No Trump" bridge-themed political shirts: cafepress.com/jerrysdesigns
Bumper stickers ditto: cafepress/jerrysstickers

[Robert Bannister]

I do see "common weal" from time to time.

--
Robert B. born England a long time ago;
Western Australia since 1972

[Robert Bannister]

It is suspiciously like the English word "well". I do, however, like the
way they have spelt it "hu" instead of like our own misleading "wh" system.

[Dingbat]

It's even more misleading than 'wh'; it could be pronounced 'hew'. How did this Australian mine get its name? The B word is from the name of a creek near the mine but how about the H word?


Huel Byjerkerno Mine, NSW

[Peter Moylan]

On 2016-Jun-27 15:05, Dingbat wrote:

[rewrapped for readability]

> How did this Australian mine get its name? The B word is from the
> name of a creek near the mine but how about the H word?
>
> Huel Byjerkerno Mine, NSW

It's out in the middle of nowhere so I know almost nothing about it.
Note, however, that it is also called Wheal Byjerkerno in some
documents, so both spellings were in use.

Note also that it's a tin mine. I suspect that most Australian tin
miners were migrants from Cornwall.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 15:20:46 +1000, Peter Moylan
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>On 2016-Jun-27 15:05, Dingbat wrote:
>
>[rewrapped for readability]
>
>> How did this Australian mine get its name? The B word is from the
>> name of a creek near the mine but how about the H word?
>>
>> Huel Byjerkerno Mine, NSW
>
>It's out in the middle of nowhere so I know almost nothing about it.
>Note, however, that it is also called Wheal Byjerkerno in some
>documents, so both spellings were in use.
>
>Note also that it's a tin mine. I suspect that most Australian tin
>miners were migrants from Cornwall.

Does anyone know how the creek got its name?

The "-kerno" ending is like the Cornish language name for Cornwall:
"Kernow".

[Peter Moylan]

Sorry, I have no idea. It could be a word in the language of the
Wiljakali people, but I wouldn't rule out a Cornish origin.

[After Burner]

It Can Mean What ever He who said it that way wants it to mean if ppl who live go through their Life and dont even Understand this as The Lord saying it YOU ANSWER TO ME, means then and dont live their life FEARING that they WILL ANSWER TO THE LORD one DAy HOW can you Expect those PPL to understand what ALLEGORY The Lord Meant when He Said it your Just trying to CONJURE UP a Description for what ever action the Lord would take reguarding the word WEAL for One it could Mean the opposite of WOE and in Short of that might be referring to WELL, I MAKE WELL and CREATE WOE, what would i make WELL for But when He was Here he HEALED ALOT and reminded ppl that there were ALOT that would Be PUNISHED which would include WOE, so when the Lord creates WOE upon You he does it bcos you SIN and deserve it as Punishment if you repent He Might HEAL YOU or MAKE WELL (YOU) and free you from that which he sent to punish you for SIN, Sin is The SICKNESS Making You WELL from it is a HOBBY OF HIS, You Opening your eyes is not an easy thing to achieve but another might consider a different approach disreguarding the Lords MAKING WELL of others and consider it WHEEL and think He MAKES EVERYTHING TURN HE MAKES ALL GO ROUND so to speak in any case thats a diffrent approach again but whaterver you want it to mean beleive Me HE CAN MAKE IT SO, MAKE IT HAPPEN, He is The LORD of LIGHT and DARKNESS He is telling You HOW SUPERIOR TO YOU HE IS How Insignificant under Him you Are and Are Experiencing Compare your self to Him You can NOT create the Heavens and the Earth you can Not RISE FROM THE DEAD WITHOUT HIM You ANT LIVE WITHOUT HIM He Gave You LIFE Not the Other WAY ROUND The Most BEAUTIFUL BLESSINGS BLESS YOU FACE OF THE EARTH, The Wheat are seperated from the CHAFF The Wheat KNOW They ANSWER TO ME The CHAFF DISMISS and REJECT ANSWERING TO ME BUT THE THEY CANT CHANGE THE TRUTH and ONE DAY WILL ANSWER FOR THEIR TRANSGRESSIONS AGAINST ME, That is WHAT HE MEANS LEARN IT WELL.