yeet

[Peter T. Daniels]

Who here knows the word "yeet"? After being named "Slang/Informal Word of the
Year" at the American Dialect Society's annual vote (they've been doing it since
1990, before the dictionary publishers and everyone else imitated it), narrowly
edging out "weird flex but OK" in a runoff, it received the largest number of
votes in the climactic Word of the Year competition (among 7 nominees), and
Ben Zimmer was about to name it the winner, but a popular uprising demanded a
runoff with the next most popular, "tender-age camp/shelter/facility," which
had already failed to be named Euphemism of the Year (that went to "racially
charged").

So, who knows "yeet"?

[Katy Jennison]

Never heard of it. I assume I'm in either the wrong continent or the
wrong age-group or both. I haven't heard it from my youthful American
relatives either, but having looked it up I imagine it's also possible
that we don't frequent the right contexts.

--
Katy Jennison

[Peter T. Daniels]

From the discussion, it seems to be an age-group thing. Whether it be
Pondian didn't come up.

The nominating session (except for Word of the Year), which I didn't go to,
was on Thursday evening, and Ben Zimmer mentioned that his 12-year-old son
Blake had been the one that suggested adding it to the list of candidates
for "Slang" word. At the final vote on Friday, he observed that Blake did
_not_ vote for it as WotY.

[CDB]

Yeet, son of Woot.

[Tony Cooper]

"Yeet yet?" asks if you've had dinner.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

[Katy Jennison]

I thought of that, having looked it up. But I'd have spelt that "w00t".

--
Katy Jennison

[Ken Blake]

I thought it was djeet yet.

[CDB]

On 1/5/2019 6:04 PM, Katy Jennison wrote:

I humbly concede. It's been a while since I saw the strip.

[Quinn C]

* Ken Blake:

Spelling isn't regulated.

<https://jeetyetphilly.podbean.com/>
<http://jeatjetbar.com/>
<https://www.opentable.com/djeet>

--
The need of a personal pronoun of the singular number and common
gender is so desperate, urgent, imperative, that ... it should long
since have grown on our speech -- The Atlantic Monthly (1878)

[Peter T. Daniels]

That's "Jeet yet?"

[Katy Jennison]

Strip? Now I'm baffled, or perhaps whooshed.

--
Katy Jennison

[Peter T. Daniels]

I don't know what Yeet, Woot, or w00t are, but I infer from CDB's last remark
that they were characters in a comic strip.

[Garrett Wollman]

In article <69409aaa-2232-4ff1...@googlegroups.com>,

Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>Who here knows the word "yeet"? After being named "Slang/Informal Word of the
>Year" at the American Dialect Society's annual vote (they've been doing
>it since
>1990, before the dictionary publishers and everyone else imitated it), narrowly
>edging out "weird flex but OK" in a runoff,

I attended both the nomination session and the main event, and I must
admit that the only ones I had ever heard of in this category were
"BDE" and "weird flex" (but without "but OK"), and I had come to a
very different (mis?)understanding of how "BDE" was being used.
"Yeet" is/was entirely unknown to me, but based on the comments I
heard, it comes from gamer (and Twitch) culture, which is something I
have never had any interest in. I voted for "weird flex but OK" in
the main vote and the runoff, but didn't feel very strongly.

It's worth pointing out that the ADS is one of eight scholarly
societies that have a joint annual meeting, organized by the
Linguistic Society of America, and which is apparently the biggest
linguistics conference in the world. Like most big academic
conferences, a large fraction (perhaps even a majority) of the
attendees are graduate students presenting the work that they are
currently doing as part of their Ph.D. research. Just in the poster
sessions alone there must have been nearly 200 students presenting.

>votes in the climactic Word of the Year competition (among 7 nominees), and
>Ben Zimmer was about to name it the winner, but a popular uprising demanded a
>runoff with the next most popular, "tender-age camp/shelter/facility," which
>had already failed to be named Euphemism of the Year (that went to "racially
>charged").

I felt a bit uncomfortable about that runoff: it felt like some people
really wanted to make it a political statement, and also like the vote
was basically "the youngs vs. the olds". Meanwhile, no one seems to
have noticed that the winning Emoji of the Year (chin-scratching face)
was actually nominated and lost last year -- there was a lot of
difficulty in the nominations meeting even coming up with a full set
of options. I suspect Emoji of the Year as a category is (or should
be) on its way out.

Undecided as to whether I'll make the trek to New Orleans next New
Year's Day. The whole meeting was quite interesting but not sure I
really want to travel that far this time of year for the sake of pure
curiosity.

-GAWollman

--
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wol...@bimajority.org| act to remove constraint from the future. This is
Opinions not shared by| a thing you can do, are able to do, to do together."
my employers. | - Graydon Saunders, _A Succession of Bad Days_ (2015)

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 12:41:49 AM UTC-5, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> In article <69409aaa-2232-4ff1...@googlegroups.com>,
> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:

> >Who here knows the word "yeet"? After being named "Slang/Informal Word of the
> >Year" at the American Dialect Society's annual vote (they've been doing
> >it since
> >1990, before the dictionary publishers and everyone else imitated it), narrowly
> >edging out "weird flex but OK" in a runoff,
>
> I attended both the nomination session and the main event, and I must

You could have come to my talk -- or at least dropped in and introduced yourself!

> admit that the only ones I had ever heard of in this category were
> "BDE" and "weird flex" (but without "but OK"), and I had come to a
> very different (mis?)understanding of how "BDE" was being used.

I don't want to go fetch the ballot (it's 1 am), but I hadn't heard of
almost any of the candidates. I abstained in most of the categories.

> "Yeet" is/was entirely unknown to me, but based on the comments I
> heard, it comes from gamer (and Twitch) culture, which is something I
> have never had any interest in. I voted for "weird flex but OK" in
> the main vote and the runoff, but didn't feel very strongly.
>
> It's worth pointing out that the ADS is one of eight scholarly
> societies that have a joint annual meeting, organized by the
> Linguistic Society of America, and which is apparently the biggest
> linguistics conference in the world. Like most big academic
> conferences, a large fraction (perhaps even a majority) of the
> attendees are graduate students presenting the work that they are
> currently doing as part of their Ph.D. research. Just in the poster
> sessions alone there must have been nearly 200 students presenting.

For quite a few years (I don't know when this started), the LSA met simul-
taneously with the MLA -- it did so in Boston in 2013 -- but not any more.
The Modern Language Association is so huge there's a very small number of
cities that can accommodate it, and it apparently also has linguistic papers.

> >votes in the climactic Word of the Year competition (among 7 nominees), and
> >Ben Zimmer was about to name it the winner, but a popular uprising demanded a
> >runoff with the next most popular, "tender-age camp/shelter/facility," which
> >had already failed to be named Euphemism of the Year (that went to "racially
> >charged").
>
> I felt a bit uncomfortable about that runoff: it felt like some people
> really wanted to make it a political statement, and also like the vote
> was basically "the youngs vs. the olds". Meanwhile, no one seems to
> have noticed that the winning Emoji of the Year (chin-scratching face)
> was actually nominated and lost last year -- there was a lot of
> difficulty in the nominations meeting even coming up with a full set
> of options. I suspect Emoji of the Year as a category is (or should
> be) on its way out.

The only other time I attended a WotY was D.C. in '16, and that one was
much more light-hearted (and raucous). But that was January 2016, nearly
a year before the Long National Nightmare began.

> Undecided as to whether I'll make the trek to New Orleans next New
> Year's Day. The whole meeting was quite interesting but not sure I
> really want to travel that far this time of year for the sake of pure
> curiosity.

I can pretty much guarantee that Brian Joseph's presidential address will
be a gem.

[CDB]

On 1/6/2019 3:24 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> Tony Cooper wrote:

>> CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:

>>>> Who here knows the word "yeet"? After being named
>>>> "Slang/Informal Word of the Year" at the American Dialect
>>>> Society's annual vote (they've been doing it since 1990, before
>>>> the dictionary publishers and everyone else imitated it),
>>>> narrowly edging out "weird flex but OK" in a runoff, it
>>>> received the largest number of votes in the climactic Word of
>>>> the Year competition (among 7 nominees), and Ben Zimmer was
>>>> about to name it the winner, but a popular uprising demanded a
>>>> runoff with the next most popular, "tender-age
>>>> camp/shelter/facility," which had already failed to be named
>>>> Euphemism of the Year (that went to "racially charged"). So,
>>>> who knows "yeet"?
>>> Yeet, son of Woot.

>> "Yeet yet?" asks if you've had dinner.

> That's "Jeet yet?"

Could be either: "You eat yet?" or "Did you eat yet?".

[CDB]

I have only come across it in "Dilbert". You mean there are other sources?

****
Belay that (I am still on the Akademik Whatsoff in the Ross Sea); I have
googled.

[CDB]

In Dilbert's office, "woot woot" (or "w00t w00t") seemed to be a cry of
joy or triumph. I had not seen "yeet" before, but the similarity was
tempting.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Most unusual without the "Did." More precisely, Jeetchét?

[Ken Blake]

On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 14:25:26 -0500, Quinn C
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:

>* Ken Blake:
>
>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 17:48:50 -0500, Tony Cooper
>> <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 5 Jan 2019 17:18:09 -0500, CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 1/5/2019 2:03 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Who here knows the word "yeet"? After being named "Slang/Informal
>>>>> Word of the Year" at the American Dialect Society's annual vote
>>>>> (they've been doing it since 1990, before the dictionary publishers
>>>>> and everyone else imitated it), narrowly edging out "weird flex but
>>>>> OK" in a runoff, it received the largest number of votes in the
>>>>> climactic Word of the Year competition (among 7 nominees), and Ben
>>>>> Zimmer was about to name it the winner, but a popular uprising
>>>>> demanded a runoff with the next most popular, "tender-age
>>>>> camp/shelter/facility," which had already failed to be named
>>>>> Euphemism of the Year (that went to "racially charged").
>>>>
>>>>> So, who knows "yeet"?
>>>>
>>>>Yeet, son of Woot.
>>>>
>>>
>>>"Yeet yet?" asks if you've had dinner.
>>
>> I thought it was djeet yet.
>
>Spelling isn't regulated.

No, but "yeet" and "djeet" aren't pronounced the same way.

[Jerry Friedman]

Not I, though I've seen the dance in commercials and Facebook video
snippets. (If someone indicates celebration by posting a short video
or animated gif of people or cartoon characters dancing, is that still
called a meme?)

--
Jerry Friedman

[Peter T. Daniels]

dance? what dance? no one said nothin' 'bout no stinkin' dances during the
discussion!

[Sam Plusnet]

Compare and contrast with "You'll have had your tea."

--
Sam Plusnet

[Quinn C]

* Ken Blake:

I assume "yeet" is short for "you eat" only. "You eat yet?" is an
informal variant of "Did you eat yet?", no?

--
Java is the SUV of programming tools.
A project done in Java will cost 5 times as much, take twice as
long, and be harder to maintain than a project done in a
scripting language such as PHP or Perl. - Philip Greenspun

[Jerry Friedman]

"Yeet is a choreographed dance stylized [sic] by dipping one's
shoulder in rhythmic steps with both hands out in front and knees
bent as if the performer is riding a bicycle. It became popular
in February 2014 after footage of people performing the dance were
uploaded to the video-sharing sites Vine and YouTube."

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/yeet

--
Jerry Friedman

[Tony Cooper]

Once again suggesting that this new-fangled "Google" tool can be
utilized:


https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/what-does-yeet-mean/

The term later gained popularity in February of 2014, thanks to a
stylized dance of the same name that first originated on Vine and
YouTube, which was characterized as “dipping one’s shoulder in

rhythmic steps with both hands out in front and knees bent as if the

performer is riding a bicycle,” according to Know Your Meme.

[Garrett Wollman]

In article <e76c24a3-943c-4b2e...@googlegroups.com>,

Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 12:41:49 AM UTC-5, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>> In article <69409aaa-2232-4ff1...@googlegroups.com>,
>> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> >Who here knows the word "yeet"? After being named "Slang/Informal
>Word of the
>> >Year" at the American Dialect Society's annual vote (they've been doing
>> >it since
>> >1990, before the dictionary publishers and everyone else imitated
>it), narrowly
>> >edging out "weird flex but OK" in a runoff,
>>
>> I attended both the nomination session and the main event, and I must
>
>You could have come to my talk -- or at least dropped in and introduced
>yourself!

I saw it on the agenda but I'm afraid there must have been something
more to my inclinations scheduled against it. (I was a bit irritated
that the sister society talks did not line up schedule-wise with the
main LSA talks, making it hard to switch from one track to the other
without losing half an hour in the gaps.) I probably spent most of my
time on the ADS side of the meeting, except for a few phonology and
documentation talks.

>> Undecided as to whether I'll make the trek to New Orleans next New
>> Year's Day. The whole meeting was quite interesting but not sure I
>> really want to travel that far this time of year for the sake of pure
>> curiosity.
>
>I can pretty much guarantee that Brian Joseph's presidential address will
>be a gem.

Well, the challenge for me is whether there is enough content within
the range of my understanding to justify the travel and personal
expense: unlike New York or Washington, there isn't so much to do in
New Orleans in early January if I get bored and want to get out into
the city. (And I've already been to conferences in New Orleans a few
times.) And since I am doing it on my own dime, I have to consider
what other travel expenses I expect to incur during the holidays.

At least it's not Minneapolis.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Is that meant as an incredibly indirect inquiry along the same lines? Can
the famished arrivee legitimately say no, they haven't?

[Peter T. Daniels]

Probably independent from the present use -- it wasn't a WotY candidate in
2014!

[Peter T. Daniels]

How is that relevant to the usage under discussion?

[Ken Blake]

On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 14:08:26 -0500, Quinn C

Yes, to both those statements. I was just pointing out that in my
experience, I don't remember anyone saying "yeet yet." What I've heard
has always been "djeet yet," which is the way many people slur "didzha
eat yet?"

I'm probably guilty of sometimes saying "djeet yet" myself.

[Katy Jennison]

Got it in one. No.

--
Katy Jennison

[Dr. HotSalt]

Possibly because no other usage has been elucidated?


Dr. HotSalt

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 2:38:40 PM UTC-5, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> In article <e76c24a3-943c-4b2e...@googlegroups.com>,
> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 12:41:49 AM UTC-5, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> >> In article <69409aaa-2232-4ff1...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:

> >> >Who here knows the word "yeet"? After being named "Slang/Informal
> >Word of the
> >> >Year" at the American Dialect Society's annual vote (they've been doing
> >> >it since
> >> >1990, before the dictionary publishers and everyone else imitated
> >it), narrowly
> >> >edging out "weird flex but OK" in a runoff,
> >> I attended both the nomination session and the main event, and I must
> >You could have come to my talk -- or at least dropped in and introduced
> >yourself!
>
> I saw it on the agenda but I'm afraid there must have been something
> more to my inclinations scheduled against it. (I was a bit irritated
> that the sister society talks did not line up schedule-wise with the
> main LSA talks, making it hard to switch from one track to the other
> without losing half an hour in the gaps.) I probably spent most of my
> time on the ADS side of the meeting, except for a few phonology and
> documentation talks.

Historical linguistics seems no longer to exist.

> >> Undecided as to whether I'll make the trek to New Orleans next New
> >> Year's Day. The whole meeting was quite interesting but not sure I
> >> really want to travel that far this time of year for the sake of pure
> >> curiosity.
> >I can pretty much guarantee that Brian Joseph's presidential address will
> >be a gem.
>
> Well, the challenge for me is whether there is enough content within
> the range of my understanding to justify the travel and personal
> expense: unlike New York or Washington, there isn't so much to do in
> New Orleans in early January if I get bored and want to get out into
> the city. (And I've already been to conferences in New Orleans a few
> times.) And since I am doing it on my own dime, I have to consider
> what other travel expenses I expect to incur during the holidays.
>
> At least it's not Minneapolis.

Yeah, I knew I wasn't going to that one even if I had the money. I used to
go to the LSA when it was in Chicago or New York, and now I've also been
going to the ones I can get to by train -- Boston, DC, Pittsburgh [though I
had to take Megabus to the AOS there last spring since they changed the
Amtrak schedule after the LSA was there].

[Peter T. Daniels]

Wow. Talk about passive-aggressive!

[Sam Plusnet]

Was this before or after the "pushing a lawnmower" dance?

These young folk are relentless in their pursuit of pleasure and sensual
self-indulgence.

--
Sam Plusnet

[Katy Jennison]

What? I thought I was agreeing with your interpretation.

--
Katy Jennison

[Peter T. Daniels]

I got that from your first sentence, and took your "No" as an answer to the
question, can the visitor respond in the negative?

[Katy Jennison]

Ah, I see. No, they can't reply in the negative, and I thought I was
agreeing with your interpretation to that effect, ie "You'll have had
your tea, so I'm not offering you any refreshment." I was aiming to say
"You're quite right ("Got it in one"). No, they can't."

--
Katy Jennison

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

PTD has stick identification issues. Please be kind.


--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

[LFS]

I doubt whether ISIHAC has crossed the pond. I never thought about
Cryer/Garden being passive-aggressive: I suppose in context the
expression is also somewhat racist. But it is very funny.

--
Laura (emulate St George for email)

[CDB]

On 1/7/2019 7:58 PM, Sam Plusnet wrote:

> Tony Cooper wrote:
>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:

>>> Jerry Friedman wrote:

["yeet" and other amusements]

>>>> Not I, though I've seen the dance in commercials and Facebook video
>>>> snippets.  (If someone indicates celebration by posting a short video
>>>> or animated gif of people or cartoon characters dancing, is that still
>>>> called a meme?)

>>> dance? what dance? no one said nothin' 'bout no stinkin' dances
>>> during the
>>> discussion!

>> Once again suggesting that this new-fangled "Google" tool can be
>> utilized:

>> https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/what-does-yeet-mean/

>> The term later gained popularity in February of 2014, thanks to a
>> stylized dance of the same name that first originated on Vine and
>> YouTube, which was characterized as “dipping one’s shoulder in
>> rhythmic steps with both hands out in front and knees bent as if the
>> performer is riding a bicycle,” according to Know Your Meme.

> Was this before or after the "pushing a lawnmower" dance?

YouTube clips seem to feature weapons, imaginary or (apparently) real.
The "aiming an assault rifle" dance.

> These young folk are relentless in their pursuit of pleasure and sensual
> self-indulgence.

They have been betrayed into it by their teachers, but that does not
make them less dangerous to our society.

[Madrigal Gurneyhalt]

Compilations are available in the US on Audible but I shouldn't
think there's a market beyond ex-pats and dedicated
Anglophiles (though it seems the latter just move here - is there
an ex Pussy Cat Doll that doesn't call Old Blighty home?) It is
quintessentially British humour.

[Peter T. Daniels]

A Word of THE Year is not about something that may have been current four
years earlier. /yiyt/ seems to be the sort of noise that might turn up at
any time to express some sort of excitement.

[Peter T. Daniels]

So it _is_ passive-aggressive: the hostess appears to ask a friendly question
wondering whether the visitor could use a snack (or a meal, or a tea) but is
not actually offering anything at all, beyond a veneer of politeness.

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 06:18:47 -0800 (PST), Madrigal Gurneyhalt
<purpl...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>is there
>an ex Pussy Cat Doll that doesn't call Old Blighty home?

There are two members of the group when it split whose names are
unfamiliar. I don't think they have embraced Old Blighty: Jessica Sutta
and Melody Thornton.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pussycat_Dolls


--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[Garrett Wollman]

In article <g9jiea...@mid.individual.net>,

LFS <lauraDRA...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I doubt whether ISIHAC has crossed the pond.

As a phenomenon, no, not in the way that GBBO has, for example,
because we don't have a culture of spoken-word radio here other than
news and (political or sports) talk. But Radio 4 is available via BBC
Sounds worldwide, with the exception of some proprietary sporting
event coverage that is not authorized outside the UK. I check the web
site at least once or twice a month for the Monday evening comedy.
(The Friday evening shows are available as a podcast so I just have my
feed reader download those automatically.)

[Katy Jennison]

"Veneer of politeness"? Nay, lad. The Scots are no' polite at a'.

As Laura says, this is a catch-phrase from a long-running Radio 4
early-evening programme, which also gave the world the game Mornington
Crescent, qv. If dissected and analysed, its various catch-phrases
might well be found offensive and not at all funny, especially to
non-Brits, but that's not how catch-phrases work, is it? No doubt there
are parallels from American shows, which have Americans rolling in the
aisles while the average Brit remains politely puzzled.

--
Katy Jennison

[Madrigal Gurneyhalt]

On Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:19:58 UTC, PeterWD wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 06:18:47 -0800 (PST), Madrigal Gurneyhalt
> <purpl...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> >is there
> >an ex Pussy Cat Doll that doesn't call Old Blighty home?
>
> There are two members of the group when it split whose names are
> unfamiliar. I don't think they have embraced Old Blighty: Jessica Sutta
> and Melody Thornton.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pussycat_Dolls
>
>

Melody Thornton has so embraced the old country. She did a
Celebrity Island with Bear Grylls in 2017 and is currently a
contestant in Dancing On Ice. That's what prompted the question.
Whether she has a permanent home here I know not but she's
certainly no stranger to these shores. Jessica Sutta has apparently
remained an all American girl, however, having had a degree of
success in the States with her 'solo career'.

[Peter T. Daniels]

There had, though, been no such indication. Nor that there was anything
Scots about the language used!

> which also gave the world the game Mornington
> Crescent, qv.

Non, merci.

> If dissected and analysed, its various catch-phrases
> might well be found offensive and not at all funny, especially to
> non-Brits, but that's not how catch-phrases work, is it? No doubt there
> are parallels from American shows, which have Americans rolling in the
> aisles while the average Brit remains politely puzzled.

I wouldn't say catchphrases are remembered for their content; often they have
none at all "Dy-no-mite!" is the first one to come to mind. It came about
accidentally on the set of *Good Times* (set in a Chicago housing project
BrE council flat]) early in the show's run, and nearly 50 years later, Jimmy
Walker (who is still an active comedian) is constantly asked to say it.

Sheldon Cooper's trademark three knocks on the door + name wasn't present in
the first few episodes of BBT.

One I recently learned was from a sitcom I never watched; apparently one of
the nerdy boys would say "Did I do that?"

And then there were things like Spock's "Fascinating." and Mr. Monk's "The
thing of it is ..." when he was about to explain the crime.

The first episode or so of *This Is Us* showed Kevin on the set of "The
Manny," the sitcom he hated and quit but that made him a worldwide celebrity
(he was known in Vietnam when he tried to discover his father's story), saying
what was obviously the character's catchphrase because it was followed by
obviously canned laughter.

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 09:33:36 -0800 (PST), Madrigal Gurneyhalt

<purpl...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:19:58 UTC, PeterWD wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 06:18:47 -0800 (PST), Madrigal Gurneyhalt
>> <purpl...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >is there
>> >an ex Pussy Cat Doll that doesn't call Old Blighty home?
>>
>> There are two members of the group when it split whose names are
>> unfamiliar. I don't think they have embraced Old Blighty: Jessica Sutta
>> and Melody Thornton.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pussycat_Dolls
>>
>>
>Melody Thornton has so embraced the old country. She did a
>Celebrity Island with Bear Grylls in 2017 and is currently a
>contestant in Dancing On Ice. That's what prompted the question.
>Whether she has a permanent home here I know not but she's
>certainly no stranger to these shores.

Ah. I hadn't noticed that.

>Jessica Sutta has apparently
>remained an all American girl, however, having had a degree of
>success in the States with her 'solo career'.

[Quinn C]

* Garrett Wollman:

> In article <g9jiea...@mid.individual.net>,
> LFS <lauraDRA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I doubt whether ISIHAC has crossed the pond.
>
> As a phenomenon, no, not in the way that GBBO has, for example,
> because we don't have a culture of spoken-word radio here other than
> news and (political or sports) talk.

Aside from NPR, you mean?

Also, podcasts are getting very popular. True crime, in particular.

P.S. I had to look up "GBBO", but was familiar with "ISIHAC" - only
thanks to this group, not that I've listened to an episode yet.

--
The least questioned assumptions are often the most questionable
-- Paul Broca
... who never questioned that men are more intelligent than women

[Quinn C]

* Peter T. Daniels:

Where do you get that? I see no question, and as long as it's an
advance warning, I see no pretension either.

--
Doris did not usually leave men to port and cigars except
at large,formal dinners because Frank was a man who often
found other men's company gross and tedious.
-- Jane Rule, This Is Not For You, p.93

[Katy Jennison]

On 08/01/2019 19:39, Quinn C wrote:
> * Garrett Wollman:
>
>> In article <g9jiea...@mid.individual.net>,
>> LFS <lauraDRA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I doubt whether ISIHAC has crossed the pond.
>>
>> As a phenomenon, no, not in the way that GBBO has, for example,
>> because we don't have a culture of spoken-word radio here other than
>> news and (political or sports) talk.
>
> Aside from NPR, you mean?
>
> Also, podcasts are getting very popular. True crime, in particular.
>
> P.S. I had to look up "GBBO", but was familiar with "ISIHAC" - only
> thanks to this group, not that I've listened to an episode yet.
>

When you do, let us know what you think. I'd be interested to know what
a non-Brit makes of it.

--
Katy Jennison

[Garrett Wollman]

In article <1d08yax5kfhz4$.d...@mid.crommatograph.info>,

Quinn C <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>* Garrett Wollman:
>
>> In article <g9jiea...@mid.individual.net>,
>> LFS <lauraDRA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I doubt whether ISIHAC has crossed the pond.
>>
>> As a phenomenon, no, not in the way that GBBO has, for example,
>> because we don't have a culture of spoken-word radio here other than
>> news and (political or sports) talk.
>
>Aside from NPR, you mean?

NPR is news and political talk, with maybe a small side helping of
fine-arts talk. NPR does not commission or distribute sitcoms,
dramas, panel games (other than "Wait, Wait", if you consider it to
fall within the ambit of "panel games"), documentaries, or even
topical satire. Other networks in the US public-radio ecosystem are
similarly limited in their content, because everything has to fit in
the rubric of a "show", an ongoing series with similar content every
day (or every week), 52 weeks a year, that station managers buy once
and forget. Individual "shows" do in some cases commission outside
producers to create documentaries for them; Radiolab is one such
(although it's not an NPR show any more) -- back when Radiolab
started, it was an anthology series which acquired the broadcasting
rights to documentaries that foreign radio stations had already
produced.

In terms of where the NPR audience is, the vast majority of it is in
the flagship morning and evening news shows, followed by the national
current events talk shows.

[Tony Cooper]

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 23:52:21 +0000 (UTC), wol...@bimajority.org
(Garrett Wollman) wrote:

>In article <1d08yax5kfhz4$.d...@mid.crommatograph.info>,
>Quinn C <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>>* Garrett Wollman:
>>
>>> In article <g9jiea...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> LFS <lauraDRA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I doubt whether ISIHAC has crossed the pond.
>>>
>>> As a phenomenon, no, not in the way that GBBO has, for example,
>>> because we don't have a culture of spoken-word radio here other than
>>> news and (political or sports) talk.
>>
>>Aside from NPR, you mean?
>
>NPR is news and political talk, with maybe a small side helping of
>fine-arts talk. NPR does not commission or distribute sitcoms,
>dramas, panel games (other than "Wait, Wait", if you consider it to
>fall within the ambit of "panel games"), documentaries, or even
>topical satire.

Where would you slot "A Prarie Home Companion"? It distributed over
the NPR group of stations.

There is some show that follows "Wait, Wait" that is a quiz format.
Dunno the name of it.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

[Quinn C]

* Garrett Wollman:

> In article <1d08yax5kfhz4$.d...@mid.crommatograph.info>,
> Quinn C <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>>* Garrett Wollman:
>>
>>> In article <g9jiea...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> LFS <lauraDRA...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I doubt whether ISIHAC has crossed the pond.
>>>
>>> As a phenomenon, no, not in the way that GBBO has, for example,
>>> because we don't have a culture of spoken-word radio here other than
>>> news and (political or sports) talk.
>>
>>Aside from NPR, you mean?
>
> NPR is news and political talk, with maybe a small side helping of
> fine-arts talk. NPR does not commission or distribute sitcoms,
> dramas, panel games (other than "Wait, Wait", if you consider it to
> fall within the ambit of "panel games"), documentaries, or even
> topical satire.

Well, when I remove the news and political talk from what I consume of
NPR (and I even throw the economical in), this still leaves Hidden
Brain, Invisibilia, Code Switch, 1A (often, but not always political -
today's episode is on concepts of hell), Rough Translation, and the
(not panel) game show Ask Me Another.

NPR puts Code Switch and Rough Translation into the News & Conversation
category, but I'd find them better placed in Storytelling.

On top, there are podcasts on religion, gardening, animals, movies,
DIY, science, technology etc. I get more of my science fix from the BBC
and German public radio, though.

There's even an NPR podcast on the English language, You're Saying It
Wrong. I shall try it out.

--
Microsoft designed a user-friendly car:
instead of the oil, alternator, gas and engine
warning lights it has just one: "General Car Fault"

Disclaimer: I, Quinn, don't believe Microsoft actually
created such a car design

[Garrett Wollman]

In article <ojea3e1jj6eoe68ge...@4ax.com>,

Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:

>Where would you slot "A Prarie Home Companion"? It distributed over
>the NPR group of stations.

No, it's not. It ceased to exist in 2017 after Garrison Keillor was
accused of sexual harrassment and fired by the show's distributor,
American Public Media. The show's replacement, "Live from Here with
Chris Thile", continues to be distributed by American Public Media,
which is an alias for Minnesota Public Radio. The show has no
connection to NPR other than some NPR member stations chose to spend a
rather large amount of money to buy local broadcast rights to it from
APM.

>There is some show that follows "Wait, Wait" that is a quiz format.
>Dunno the name of it.

There's no national public radio schedule. You'd have to look at your
local station's schedule.

[Tony Cooper]

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 04:16:56 +0000 (UTC), wol...@bimajority.org
(Garrett Wollman) wrote:

>In article <ojea3e1jj6eoe68ge...@4ax.com>,
>Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>Where would you slot "A Prarie Home Companion"? It distributed over
>>the NPR group of stations.
>
>No, it's not. It ceased to exist in 2017 after Garrison Keillor was
>accused of sexual harrassment and fired by the show's distributor,
>American Public Media. The show's replacement, "Live from Here with
>Chris Thile", continues to be distributed by American Public Media,
>which is an alias for Minnesota Public Radio. The show has no
>connection to NPR other than some NPR member stations chose to spend a
>rather large amount of money to buy local broadcast rights to it from
>APM.
>

It's rather difficult to know that. My local NPR station is WMFE 90.7
When I have that station tuned in, I don't know if the program is an
NPR program or something else.

>>There is some show that follows "Wait, Wait" that is a quiz format.
>>Dunno the name of it.
>

"Ask Me Another" is the name of it.

>There's no national public radio schedule. You'd have to look at your
>local station's schedule.
>
>-GAWollman
--

[Garrett Wollman]

In article <a90b3elj2bmgctqta...@4ax.com>,

Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>It's rather difficult to know that. My local NPR station is WMFE 90.7
>When I have that station tuned in, I don't know if the program is an
>NPR program or something else.

The program distributor is identified in the opening and/or closing
credits, often accompanied by an "audio logo".

At this point there are only three major public-radio program
distributors: NPR, which is a cooperative, and which distributes
primarily news and talk programming; APM, which as I said is a dba for
Minnesota Public Radio; and PRI, which is a Minnesota-based subsidiary
of Boston's WGBH, and also operates under the brands PRX and
Radiotopia. WNYC is a major program producer, and self-distributes
most of its shows under the "WNYC Studios" brand, although they may
still have some programs that are joint ventures with NPR, PRI, or
APM.

In addition, many independent producers distribute their shows
entirely outside of the public-radio system, either for free (known as
"barter" in the trade) or for a fee -- many podcasts-turned-shows fall
into this category, but the panel game "Says You"[1] used this model
long before podcasting existed. (For a while, late writer-producer
Richard Sher co-distributed the show with WGBH, but this arrangement
was later ended and his production company took full ownership; his
widow owns it now.)

-GAWollman

[1] For many years the only panel game in the British sense (with a
largely fixed panel of well-known personalities and no audience
participation) on American radio, although this may have changed
lately.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 11:16:58 PM UTC-5, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> In article <ojea3e1jj6eoe68ge...@4ax.com>,
> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:

> >Where would you slot "A Prarie Home Companion"? It distributed over
> >the NPR group of stations.
>
> No, it's not. It ceased to exist in 2017 after Garrison Keillor was
> accused of sexual harrassment and fired by the show's distributor,
> American Public Media. The show's replacement, "Live from Here with
> Chris Thile", continues to be distributed by American Public Media,
> which is an alias for Minnesota Public Radio. The show has no
> connection to NPR other than some NPR member stations chose to spend a
> rather large amount of money to buy local broadcast rights to it from
> APM.

PHC used to sell out its month of Town Hall appearances within minutes
of going on sale. LfH (I listened to about the first half of the first
13-week season, and then they kept just repeating them) is still flogging
tickets moments before air time on Saturday evenings.

Most of the programs mentioned by Q are also not NPR.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 12:09:25 AM UTC-5, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 04:16:56 +0000 (UTC), wol...@bimajority.org
> (Garrett Wollman) wrote:
> >In article <ojea3e1jj6eoe68ge...@4ax.com>,
> >Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:

> >>Where would you slot "A Prarie Home Companion"? It distributed over
> >>the NPR group of stations.
> >No, it's not. It ceased to exist in 2017 after Garrison Keillor was
> >accused of sexual harrassment and fired by the show's distributor,
> >American Public Media. The show's replacement, "Live from Here with
> >Chris Thile", continues to be distributed by American Public Media,
> >which is an alias for Minnesota Public Radio. The show has no
> >connection to NPR other than some NPR member stations chose to spend a
> >rather large amount of money to buy local broadcast rights to it from
> >APM.
>
> It's rather difficult to know that. My local NPR station is WMFE 90.7
> When I have that station tuned in, I don't know if the program is an
> NPR program or something else.

Then pay attention to the credits at the beginning and the end of every program.

> >>There is some show that follows "Wait, Wait" that is a quiz format.
> >>Dunno the name of it.
>
> "Ask Me Another" is the name of it.

New episodes are taped so infrequently that they advertise them and sell
tickets individually. It comes from "The Bell House" in trendy Brooklyn.

[LFS]

The only US show that I can remember that had memorable catchphrases was
Rowan and Martin's Laugh In, which had many of them.

Mum and I were always especially tickled by "Look that up in your Funk
and Wagnalls" because one of Dad's most treasured possessions was a copy
of Funk and Wagnalls New Comprehensive Dictionary which he brought back
from his time in the US during WW2, and which he frequently consulted.

[Peter T. Daniels]

It's possible that they were able to use that name in that irreverent way
because that's just about when the company disappeared -- the new edition
of David Diringer's *The Alphabet* was just about the last book to bear
their imprint (it seems to have been remaindered the day after it was
published in 1968 -- I could have bought a copy for $15 at Brentano's,
which specialized in remainders at several NYC locations), but that was a
LOT of money then, and paid $100 some 30 years later). There's just
something funny about "Funk."

Most of those catch-phrases were actually devoid of content: Here come da
judge! You bet your bippy! Ver-r-ry interesting (but ...)! Sock it to me!
Fickle finger of fate.

[Tony Cooper]

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 05:53:39 +0000 (UTC), wol...@bimajority.org
(Garrett Wollman) wrote:

>In article <a90b3elj2bmgctqta...@4ax.com>,
>Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>It's rather difficult to know that. My local NPR station is WMFE 90.7
>>When I have that station tuned in, I don't know if the program is an
>>NPR program or something else.
>
>The program distributor is identified in the opening and/or closing
>credits, often accompanied by an "audio logo".
>
>At this point there are only three major public-radio program
>distributors: NPR, which is a cooperative, and which distributes
>primarily news and talk programming; APM, which as I said is a dba for
>Minnesota Public Radio; and PRI, which is a Minnesota-based subsidiary
>of Boston's WGBH, and also operates under the brands PRX and
>Radiotopia. WNYC is a major program producer, and self-distributes
>most of its shows under the "WNYC Studios" brand, although they may
>still have some programs that are joint ventures with NPR, PRI, or
>APM.

Thanks for the information. I have been thinking of NPR as a sort of
umbrella and anything on the local station is NPR content. Who
produces the show is rather immaterial to me.

[Quinn C]

* Peter T. Daniels:

Sorry, but I don't understand this distinction. I picked them out from
<https://www.npr.org/programs/>

Maybe some of them are podcast only, even though there's a separate
page <https://www.npr.org/podcasts/>. I wouldn't know, because that's
the way I consume radio now, almost 100%, and the mix on the program
page indicates to me that NPR thinks podcasts are an equal part of
their offering.

It's been clear to me for at least 15 years that telephone, radio and
TV are going to become part of the Internet; we're almost there.

--
Humans write software and while a piece of software might be
bug free humans are not. - Robert Klemme

[Quinn C]

* Tony Cooper:

It's certainly irrelevant to the question whether a kind of program is
"featured on US radio", which was the question here.

--
... it might be nice to see ourselves reflected in TV shows and
Pride season campaigns, but the cis white men who invented the
gender binary still own the damn mirror.
-- Delilah Friedler at slate.com

[RHDraney]

On 1/8/2019 10:53 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> In article <a90b3elj2bmgctqta...@4ax.com>,
> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> It's rather difficult to know that. My local NPR station is WMFE 90.7
>> When I have that station tuned in, I don't know if the program is an
>> NPR program or something else.
>
> The program distributor is identified in the opening and/or closing
> credits, often accompanied by an "audio logo".
>
> At this point there are only three major public-radio program
> distributors: NPR, which is a cooperative, and which distributes
> primarily news and talk programming; APM, which as I said is a dba for
> Minnesota Public Radio; and PRI, which is a Minnesota-based subsidiary
> of Boston's WGBH, and also operates under the brands PRX and
> Radiotopia. WNYC is a major program producer, and self-distributes
> most of its shows under the "WNYC Studios" brand, although they may
> still have some programs that are joint ventures with NPR, PRI, or
> APM.

"Schickele Mix" was originally funded by American Public Radio, and
carried in-show references to that entity...sponsorship was taken over
by Public Radio International, and it took some time to re-record those
bits so earlier programs could be repeated....r

[Garrett Wollman]

In article <q15n7...@news1.newsguy.com>, RHDraney <dado...@cox.net> wrote:

>"Schickele Mix" was originally funded by American Public Radio, and
>carried in-show references to that entity...sponsorship was taken over
>by Public Radio International, and it took some time to re-record those
>bits so earlier programs could be repeated....r

If I recall correctly, APR is simply the old name for PRI, back before
it was spun off by Minnesota Public Radio (and long before it was
acquired by WGBH). After APR changed its name to PRI, MPR started
AP*M* to be its national distribution arm, and also acquired all of
the historic classical-music programs that used to be produced and
distributed by *N*PR.

-GAWollman

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 4:10:47 PM UTC-5, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> In article <q15n7...@news1.newsguy.com>, RHDraney <dado...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >"Schickele Mix" was originally funded by American Public Radio, and
> >carried in-show references to that entity...sponsorship was taken over
> >by Public Radio International, and it took some time to re-record those
> >bits so earlier programs could be repeated....r
>
> If I recall correctly, APR is simply the old name for PRI, back before
> it was spun off by Minnesota Public Radio (and long before it was
> acquired by WGBH). After APR changed its name to PRI, MPR started
> AP*M* to be its national distribution arm, and also acquired all of
> the historic classical-music programs that used to be produced and
> distributed by *N*PR.

None of which were carried by either WBEZ (Chicago) or WNYC, so I never
heard any of them.