TV vs telly (UK)
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ran up against my preconceived notions about UK English. She's not one to
try to sound American either in her writing or singing. Anyway, in the song
"Chinese", the chorus is:
I don't want anything more
Than to see your face when you open the door
You'll make me beans on toast and a nice cup of tea
And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
Tomorrow we'll take the dog for a walk
And in the afternoon then maybe we'll talk
I'll be exhausted so I'll probably sleep
And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
So, is "TV" in common usage? I had thought of that as American. I realize
that sometime lyrics writers do things for the rhymes.
Brian
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Kalmia
> Once again listening to English singer Lily Allen, I noticed something that
> ran up against my preconceived notions about UK English. She's not one to
> try to sound American either in her writing or singing. Anyway, in the song
> "Chinese", the chorus is:
>
> I don't want anything more
> Than to see your face when you open the door
> You'll make me beans on toast and a nice cup of tea
> And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
> Tomorrow we'll take the dog for a walk
> And in the afternoon then maybe we'll talk
> I'll be exhausted so I'll probably sleep
> And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
>
> So, is "TV" in common usage? I had thought of that as American. I realize
> that sometime lyrics writers do things for the rhymes.
>
THIS American would never use 'telly' for the TV. I might say 'tube'
at times, but 'telly' for me denotes the phone. Oops, the TELEphone.
Dr Peter Young
> Once again listening to English singer Lily Allen, I noticed something that
> ran up against my preconceived notions about UK English. She's not one to
> try to sound American either in her writing or singing. Anyway, in the song
> "Chinese", the chorus is:
> I don't want anything more
> Than to see your face when you open the door
> You'll make me beans on toast and a nice cup of tea
> And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
> Tomorrow we'll take the dog for a walk
> And in the afternoon then maybe we'll talk
> I'll be exhausted so I'll probably sleep
> And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
> So, is "TV" in common usage? I had thought of that as American. I realize
> that sometime lyrics writers do things for the rhymes.
"TV" is becoming much more common in BrE, and "telly" I haven't heard
for a long time. For what it's worth, my British spelling checker
doesn't recognise "telly".
Peter.
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Peter Duncanson (BrE)
<defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Once again listening to English singer Lily Allen, I noticed something that
>ran up against my preconceived notions about UK English. She's not one to
>try to sound American either in her writing or singing. Anyway, in the song
>"Chinese", the chorus is:
>
>I don't want anything more
>Than to see your face when you open the door
>You'll make me beans on toast and a nice cup of tea
>And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
>Tomorrow we'll take the dog for a walk
>And in the afternoon then maybe we'll talk
>I'll be exhausted so I'll probably sleep
>And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
>
>
>So, is "TV" in common usage? I had thought of that as American. I realize
>that sometime lyrics writers do things for the rhymes.
>
"TV" is in use in BrE, formal, informal, colloquial, or whatever.
"Telly" is more informal and colloquial.
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> THIS American would never use 'telly' for the TV. I might say 'tube'
> at times, but 'telly' for me denotes the phone. Oops, the TELEphone.
Certainly. That, however, was not my question.
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Another notion of mine dashed upon the cruel rocks of Truth. So it goes.
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Pablo
> On 1 Nov 2010 "Default User" <defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Once again listening to English singer Lily Allen, I noticed something
>> that ran up against my preconceived notions about UK English. She's not
>> one to try to sound American either in her writing or singing. Anyway, in
>> the song "Chinese", the chorus is:
>
>> I don't want anything more
>> Than to see your face when you open the door
>> You'll make me beans on toast and a nice cup of tea
>> And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
>> Tomorrow we'll take the dog for a walk
>> And in the afternoon then maybe we'll talk
>> I'll be exhausted so I'll probably sleep
>> And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
>
>
>> So, is "TV" in common usage? I had thought of that as American. I realize
>> that sometime lyrics writers do things for the rhymes.
>
>
> "TV" is becoming much more common in BrE, and "telly" I haven't heard
> for a long time. For what it's worth, my British spelling checker
> doesn't recognise "telly".
"Box" remains quite common. "Gogglebox" has all but died out, I believe.
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Joachim Pense
My theory has been that they actually say "tele" and spell it differently.
Joachim
Mark Brader
> > THIS American would never use 'telly' for the TV. I might say 'tube'
> > at times, but 'telly' for me denotes the phone. Oops, the TELEphone.
Brian?
> Certainly.
Certainly? I've never heard "telly" for telephone.
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m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:
> "Kalmia":
> > > THIS American would never use 'telly' for the TV. I might say 'tube'
> > > at times, but 'telly' for me denotes the phone. Oops, the TELEphone.
>
> Brian?
> > Certainly.
>
> Certainly? I've never heard "telly" for telephone.
I think it's archaic - smacks of the 1930s to me.
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> "Kalmia":
>> > THIS American would never use 'telly' for the TV. I might say 'tube'
>> > at times, but 'telly' for me denotes the phone. Oops, the TELEphone.
>
> Brian?
>> Certainly.
>
> Certainly? I've never heard "telly" for telephone.
Excellent point. I was responding to the TV part. I should probably have
trimmed or commented separately on the telephone part.
Ian Jackson
Duncanson (BrE)" <ma...@peterduncanson.net> writes
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Kalmia <tween...@mypacks.net> writes
Of course, now that we have flat screens....
> Oops, the TELEphone.
>
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James Silverton
> I don't want anything more
> Than to see your face when you open the door
> You'll make me beans on toast and a nice cup of tea
> And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
> Tomorrow we'll take the dog for a walk
> And in the afternoon then maybe we'll talk
> I'll be exhausted so I'll probably sleep
> And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
Now you bring up another point: "get a Chinese" is UK idiom not US.
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> Default wrote on Mon, 1 Nov 2010 12:01:47 -0500:
>
>> I don't want anything more
>> Than to see your face when you open the door
>> You'll make me beans on toast and a nice cup of tea
>> And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
>> Tomorrow we'll take the dog for a walk
>> And in the afternoon then maybe we'll talk
>> I'll be exhausted so I'll probably sleep
>> And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
>
> Now you bring up another point: "get a Chinese" is UK idiom not US.
Yes. As I mentioned, she really doesn't try to sound American, that's why
usage in her songs that go against my notions catch my attention.
Brian
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Nick Spalding
on Mon, 01 Nov 2010 20:39:08 +0100:
> Dr Peter Young escribió:
>
> > "TV" is becoming much more common in BrE, and "telly" I haven't heard
> > for a long time. For what it's worth, my British spelling checker
> > doesn't recognise "telly".
>
> "Box" remains quite common. "Gogglebox" has all but died out, I believe.
"Idiot's lantern" was another pejorative one.
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Christian Weisgerber
> "TV" is becoming much more common in BrE, and "telly" I haven't heard
> for a long time.
Then you haven't been watching British telly.
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Mike Lyle
> On 1 Nov 2010 "Default User" <defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Once again listening to English singer Lily Allen, I noticed
>> something that ran up against my preconceived notions about UK
>> English. She's not one to try to sound American either in her
>> writing or singing. Anyway, in the song "Chinese", the chorus is:
>
>> I don't want anything more
>> Than to see your face when you open the door
>> You'll make me beans on toast and a nice cup of tea
>> And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
>> Tomorrow we'll take the dog for a walk
>> And in the afternoon then maybe we'll talk
>> I'll be exhausted so I'll probably sleep
>> And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
>
>
>> So, is "TV" in common usage? I had thought of that as American. I
>> realize that sometime lyrics writers do things for the rhymes.
>
>
> "TV" is becoming much more common in BrE, and "telly" I haven't heard
> for a long time. For what it's worth, my British spelling checker
> doesn't recognise "telly".
>
with "TV" the higher-status abbreviation. The categories are nowadays
pretty blurred, but I /think/ I use the latter unconsciously, and the
latter consciously in a silly spirit of mild irony.
--
Mike.
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
wrote:
Yes. There may not be many left who remember "magic lanterns".
John Varela
And in any case, TV fits the rhyme and meter whilst (Br enough for
you?) telly does not.
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John Dean
And the usage is common in the media. For the listings you may choose, eg,
between TV Times, What's On TV or TV Choice. (Unless you remain in love with
the Beeb who insist Radio Times conveys all that needs to be conveyed).
And newspapers describe their timetables as "TV listings" not "Telly
listings".
And broadcast over the air are such delights as TV Burp and Outtake TV.
'Telly' is rare in the media.
--
John Dean
Oxford
Steve Hayes
wrote:
>And the usage is common in the media. For the listings you may choose, eg,
>between TV Times, What's On TV or TV Choice. (Unless you remain in love with
>the Beeb who insist Radio Times conveys all that needs to be conveyed).
>And newspapers describe their timetables as "TV listings" not "Telly
>listings".
>And broadcast over the air are such delights as TV Burp and Outtake TV.
>'Telly' is rare in the media.
On the other hand, they don't have TV Tubbies.
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Donna Richoux
> Default wrote on Mon, 1 Nov 2010 12:01:47 -0500:
>
> > I don't want anything more
> > Than to see your face when you open the door
> > You'll make me beans on toast and a nice cup of tea
> > And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
> > Tomorrow we'll take the dog for a walk
> > And in the afternoon then maybe we'll talk
> > I'll be exhausted so I'll probably sleep
> > And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
>
> Now you bring up another point: "get a Chinese" is UK idiom not US.
Eating beans on toast also sounds quite British, and as for a nice cup
of tea, well, how quintessential can you get?
I don't spot anything distinctly pondal in the other five lines.
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James Hogg
> In message <ianci1$1en$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
>> Default wrote on Mon, 1 Nov 2010 12:01:47 -0500:
>
>>> I don't want anything more
>>> Than to see your face when you open the door
>>> You'll make me beans on toast and a nice cup of tea
>>> And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
>>> Tomorrow we'll take the dog for a walk
>>> And in the afternoon then maybe we'll talk
>>> I'll be exhausted so I'll probably sleep
>>> And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
>
>> Now you bring up another point: "get a Chinese" is UK idiom not US.
>
> class of food).
In India, of course, they go out for an English, as in this famous sketch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdo79znnHl8&feature=related
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> In message<1jrb9s7.1d9q0r1l35cgtN%tr...@euronet.nl>
>
> But then again, I've watched the Wallace and Gromit shorts about 7
> million times. Even named our dog Gromit.
No; you only say "go walkies" directly to a dog, which is presumably
considered to have the understanding level of a human toddler. You
would never say it to another adult.
--
David
Django Cat
> > > I don't want anything more
> > > Than to see your face when you open the door
> > > You'll make me beans on toast and a nice cup of tea
> > > And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
> > > Tomorrow we'll take the dog for a walk
> > > And in the afternoon then maybe we'll talk
> > > I'll be exhausted so I'll probably sleep
> > > And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
> >
> > Now you bring up another point: "get a Chinese" is UK idiom not US.
>
> Eating beans on toast also sounds quite British, and as for a nice cup
> of tea, well, how quintessential can you get?
Methinks she doth try a bit too hard...
DC
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> Once again listening to English singer Lily Allen, I noticed something that
> ran up against my preconceived notions about UK English. She's not one to
> try to sound American either in her writing or singing. Anyway, in the song
> "Chinese", the chorus is:
>
> Than to see your face when you open the door
> You'll make me beans on toast and a nice cup of tea
> And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
> Tomorrow we'll take the dog for a walk
> And in the afternoon then maybe we'll talk
> I'll be exhausted so I'll probably sleep
> And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV
>
> that sometime lyrics writers do things for the rhymes.
Songs are of course difficult becaues of the need to rhyme/scan, so
words may be used differently to common practice. I would counter
with the Paolo Nuttini [1] song "Pencil Full of Lead" chorus including
the lines "got food inside my belly and a licence for my telly/
nothin's gonna bring me down" (from memory, there may be some minor
errors, but the presence of "telly" in there is definitely correct).
[1] From Glasgow, despite the name; the song is about 2 years old,
IIRC.
Robin
John Dunlop
> Songs are of course difficult becaues of the need to rhyme/scan, so
> words may be used differently to common practice. I would counter
> with the Paolo Nuttini [1] song "Pencil Full of Lead" chorus including
> the lines "got food inside my belly and a licence for my telly/
> nothin's gonna bring me down" (from memory, there may be some minor
> errors, but the presence of "telly" in there is definitely correct).
Right. Here's a live session:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twuzki0ZpDo
> [1] From Glasgow, despite the name; the song is about 2 years old,
> IIRC.
Close. Paolo Nutini is from Paisley.
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>
> "Telly" has always (rhetorical "always") been regarded as a vulgarism,
> with "TV" the higher-status abbreviation.
Interesting. I would say it was the other way round.
Regards
Jonathan
Django Cat
Young Mr Nuttini has a nice line in witty lyrics, even if 'Pencil full
of lead' does have unnerving similarities with Nina Simone's 'My baby
just cares for me':
1, 2, 3, 4
I got a sheet for my bed and a pillow for my head
I got a pencil full of lead and some water for my throat
I've got buttons for my coat and sails on my boat
So much more than I needed before
I got money in the meter and a two bar heater
Now it's getting hotter oh it's only getting sweeter
I got legs on my chairs and a head full of hair
Pot and a pan and some shoes on my feet
I got a shelf full of books and most of my teeth
A few pairs of socks and a door with a lock
I got food in my belly and a license for my telly
And nothing's going to bring me down
I got a nice guitar and tyres on my car
I got most of the means; and scripts for the scenes
I'm out and about, so I'm in with a shout
I got a fair bit of chat but better than that
Food in my belly and a license for my telly
And nothing's going to bring me down
Nothing's going to bring me down
But best of all (best of all) I've got my baby
She's mighty fine and says she's all mine
And nothing's going to bring me down
Best of all I've got my baby
She's mighty fine and says she's all mine
And nothing's going to bring me down
Not today,,, no, no
DC
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> On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 00:07:12 -0000, "John Dean"
> <john...@fraglineone.net> wrote:
>
>> And the usage is common in the media. For the listings you may
>> choose, eg, between TV Times, What's On TV or TV Choice. (Unless you
>> remain in love with the Beeb who insist Radio Times conveys all that
>> needs to be conveyed).
>> And newspapers describe their timetables as "TV listings" not "Telly
>> listings".
>> And broadcast over the air are such delights as TV Burp and Outtake
>> TV. 'Telly' is rare in the media.
>
> On the other hand, they don't have TV Tubbies.
Nor do they have Telly Tubbies
http://www.teletubbies.co.uk/en/default.asp
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jgharston
> My theory has been that they actually say "tele" and spell it differently.
Erugh!! That's just horrible. Whenever I see it I mentally say
it as "teeeel".
I recall that the Freak Brothers watched the teevee.
JGH
Mike Lyle
> On 02/11/2010 08:47, Lewis wrote:
>>
>> I would have though "go walkies" instead of "take the dog for a
>> walk." But then again, I've watched the Wallace and Gromit shorts
>> about 7
>> million times. Even named our dog Gromit.
>
> No; you only say "go walkies" directly to a dog, which is presumably
> considered to have the understanding level of a human toddler. You
> would never say it to another adult.
He probably wouldn't; you clearly wouldn't; I wouldn't; but there are
those who do. I have here previously inveighed against the adult British
propensity for baby-talk, so I won't do it again --if only because last
time I ventured a head-on assault, one of our RRs told me I was wrong,
because it couldn't be baby-talk, since it was used by adults.
--
Mike.
Mike Lyle
Brilliant it is, too. But let's not lose sight of the language point
here: Lewis wouldn't dream of it, but less refined speakers really do
say "a Chinese" and "an Indian" (cf the sketch)...I've known still more
differently-refined people to say "a Chinky". But these last don't seem
to say of food, "a Paki".
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Mike Lyle
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Adam Funk
> I would have though "go walkies" instead of "take the dog for a walk."
>
> But then again, I've watched the Wallace and Gromit shorts about 7
> million times. Even named our dog Gromit.
Excellent! Does he make your breakfast?
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but that's not why we do it. [Richard Feynman]
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
<mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>James Hogg wrote:
>> In India, of course, they go out for an English, as in this famous
>> sketch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdo79znnHl8&feature=related
>
>Brilliant it is, too.
I always LOL at that. I've watched and enjoyed it so many times that my
mind now adds the mirror image dialogue of equivalent English people in
an Indian restaurant.
> But let's not lose sight of the language point
>here: Lewis wouldn't dream of it, but less refined speakers really do
>say "a Chinese" and "an Indian" (cf the sketch)...I've known still more
>differently-refined people to say "a Chinky". But these last don't seem
>to say of food, "a Paki".
I don't know how many restaurants there are in the UK that describe
themselves as Pakistani.[1] This Muslim business directory lists only
22:
http://www.tijarapages.com/categories.asp?cid=-1784179530&id=129
This restaurant guide list 13 in London:
http://www.tijarapages.com/categories.asp?cid=-1784179530&id=129
I suspect that the less-couth customers would refer to the food there as
"Indian".
[1] That is distinct from the large number of Indian restaurants run by
Pakistanis.
MC
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"Because that's what *he* calls it."
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Jonathan Morton
By an exact number of years, if I remember correctly.
Jonathan
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metaphorical eyeglass is continually poppin' out from sheer outrage.
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> "Mike Lyle" <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:iapmkb$v07$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Jonathan Morton wrote:
>>> "Mike Lyle" <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:ianf4n$glj$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>> "Telly" has always (rhetorical "always") been regarded as a
>>>> vulgarism, with "TV" the higher-status abbreviation.
>>>
>>> Interesting. I would say it was the other way round.
>>>
>> You're younger than I am. <Rustles Daily Telegraph>
>
> By an exact number of years, if I remember correctly.
>
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<mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Please return that copy of the Daily Telegraph to the person you rustled
it from.
OK, OK, affronted DT letter writer: ...to the person from whom you
rustled it.
LFS
Dammit, sir, you must live in Tunbridge Wells.
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Bertel Lund Hansen
> "Box" remains quite common. "Gogglebox" has all but died out, I believe.
The latter would easily be misread as Googlebox. It just was.
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Peter Duncanson (BrE)
<splittemi...@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>Pablo skrev:
>
>> "Box" remains quite common. "Gogglebox" has all but died out, I believe.
>
>The latter would easily be misread as Googlebox. It just was.
I wouldn't write it as a single word.The OED quotations are:
1959 Guardian 9 Nov. 5/5 Switch the goggle-box on at 10 a.m.
1967 Times 2 Oct. 1/1 Mr. Wilson was..so good at television
appearances, that he had convinced himself that he, single-handed,
could win elections 'with the help of the goggle box'.
"Mr Wilson" was Harold Wilson who had resigned as UK Prime Minister
early that year.
Adam Funk
> In message <0356q7x...@news.ducksburg.com>
> Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> On 2010-11-02, Lewis wrote:
>
>>> I would have though "go walkies" instead of "take the dog for a walk."
>>>
>>> But then again, I've watched the Wallace and Gromit shorts about 7
>>> million times. Even named our dog Gromit.
>
>> Excellent! Does he make your breakfast?
>
> Ah, well, *she* is not as clever as her namesake.
>
> And yes, I know. But she has these eyebrows, and when she cocks her head
> to one side, as is her wont, the resemblance is uncanny. I suggested the
> name as a joke, but everyone immediately agreed it was the right name.
>
> I've been trying to train her to at least pull the lever for the jam,
> but progress is slow.
Try the porridge cannon (and put the results on youtube, please).
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Peter Duncanson (BrE)
wrote:
>On 2010-11-03, Lewis wrote:
>
>> In message <0356q7x...@news.ducksburg.com>
>> Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>> On 2010-11-02, Lewis wrote:
>>
>>>> I would have though "go walkies" instead of "take the dog for a walk."
>>>>
>>>> But then again, I've watched the Wallace and Gromit shorts about 7
>>>> million times. Even named our dog Gromit.
>>
>>> Excellent! Does he make your breakfast?
>>
>> Ah, well, *she* is not as clever as her namesake.
>>
>> And yes, I know. But she has these eyebrows, and when she cocks her head
>> to one side, as is her wont, the resemblance is uncanny. I suggested the
>> name as a joke, but everyone immediately agreed it was the right name.
>>
>> I've been trying to train her to at least pull the lever for the jam,
>> but progress is slow.
>
>
>Try the porridge cannon (and put the results on youtube, please).
An unfortunate woman in the Greater Manchester went to make some
porridge and destroyed her house among others.
The structural result of the gas explosion:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/8104830/Gas-explosion-in-Salford-near-Manchester.html
From The Times:
An elderly woman remains critically ill with 30 per cent burns and
14 others remain in hospital after the blast, which destroyed four
houses.
....
Susan Bennett found the elderly woman standing in the ruins of her
home with her clothes burnt from her back. She said the woman told
her: "I just turned on the cooker for my porridge and it went up."
R H Draney
>
> Susan Bennett found the elderly woman standing in the ruins of her
> home with her clothes burnt from her back. She said the woman told
> her: "I just turned on the cooker for my porridge and it went up."
ObPhrasalVerb: in AmE, "to go up" means "to forget what one is about to
say"....r
--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.
R H Draney
>
>In message <ias3l...@drn.newsguy.com>
>
>Where?
On stage....
>The quote from the woman seemed perfectly understandable to me.
I got the gist of it from context, but there's a lingering image from an old
joke:
"A man jumps out of an airplane, and when he pulls his ripcord, the chute fails
to open...he pulls the cord for the reserve chute, and it too fails to open...as
he's plummeting to certain death, he's surprised to see someone else coming up
as quickly as he's coming down...he calls out 'do you know anything about
parachutes?'...the other fellow replies 'no! do you know anything about gas
cookers?'"...r
MC
Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <ias3l...@drn.newsguy.com>
> R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> It does?
>
> Where?
I've never observed it in the wild in AmEland.
rwalker
>"Box" remains quite common. "Gogglebox" has all but died out, I believe.
>
>--
> Pablo
The American equivalent used to be "idiot box," but I don't hear that
very often any more.
Robin Bignall
He did, but was sent to Coventry when, by mistake, he waved a copy of
the Guardian.
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> On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 20:39:08 +0100, Pablo <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>>"Box" remains quite common. "Gogglebox" has all but died out, I believe.
> The American equivalent used to be "idiot box," but I don't hear that
> very often any more.
My mother used to call it the "squawk box". This is term more usually
referring to intercom systems. However, considering her usual mood when she
was saying it, I never pointed that out.
Brian
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Mike Lyle
> On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 22:16:33 +0000, LFS
> <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Mike Lyle wrote:
>>> Robin Bignall wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:51:56 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
>>>> <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jonathan Morton wrote:
>>>>>> "Mike Lyle" <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ianf4n$glj$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> "Telly" has always (rhetorical "always") been regarded as a
>>>>>>> vulgarism, with "TV" the higher-status abbreviation.
>>>>>> Interesting. I would say it was the other way round.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You're younger than I am. <Rustles Daily Telegraph>
>>>> Somehow, the thought of you rustling the Daily Telegraph is in the
>>>> same league as the Omrud ironing sheets. Does not compute.
>>>
>>> I know. But I'm dashed good at harrumphing, don't ye know? Me
>>> metaphorical eyeglass is continually poppin' out from sheer outrage.
>>>
>>
>> Dammit, sir, you must live in Tunbridge Wells.
>
> He did, but was sent to Coventry when, by mistake, he waved a copy of
> the Guardian.
Drummed out, one was. Tried to pretend one had found it on the train and
was only using it to swat flies, but to no avail.
--
Mike.
rwalker
<defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>My mother used to call it the "squawk box". This is term more usually
>referring to intercom systems. However, considering her usual mood when she
>was saying it, I never pointed that out.
I understand!
Steve Hayes
>I got the gist of it from context, but there's a lingering image from an old
>joke:
>
>"A man jumps out of an airplane, and when he pulls his ripcord, the chute fails
>to open...he pulls the cord for the reserve chute, and it too fails to open...as
>he's plummeting to certain death, he's surprised to see someone else coming up
>as quickly as he's coming down...he calls out 'do you know anything about
>parachutes?'...the other fellow replies 'no! do you know anything about gas
>cookers?'"...r
Up went Nelson in old Dublin
Up went Nelson in Old Dublin
All around O'Connell Street the stones and rubble blew
As up went Nelson, and his pillar too.
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/nelsons-pillar-127627.html
--
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Roland Hutchinson
I think it metamorphosed to "boob tube" some time ago. Or maybe "idiot
box" was a euphemization of "boob tube"??
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Roland Hutchinson
"Are you _entirely_ sure that 'dog' of yours isn't a cat?"
Roland Hutchinson
Theatrical jargon, innit? Not sure if it's equally bipondial or what,
not really being much of a thespian myself. It means to forget your
lines.
Roland Hutchinson
> On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:48:24 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
> <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>James Hogg wrote:
>>> In India, of course, they go out for an English, as in this famous
>>> sketch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdo79znnHl8&feature=related
>>
>>Brilliant it is, too.
>
> I always LOL at that. I've watched and enjoyed it so many times that my
> mind now adds the mirror image dialogue of equivalent English people in
> an Indian restaurant.
Heck, I've actually gone into English restaurants with the intension of
ordering the blandest thing on the menu as an homage to that sketch.
R H Draney
>
>On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 19:47:48 +0000, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:48:24 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
>> <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>James Hogg wrote:
>>>> In India, of course, they go out for an English, as in this famous
>>>> sketch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdo79znnHl8&feature=related
>>>
>>>Brilliant it is, too.
>>
>> I always LOL at that. I've watched and enjoyed it so many times that my
>> mind now adds the mirror image dialogue of equivalent English people in
>> an Indian restaurant.
>
>Heck, I've actually gone into English restaurants with the intension of
>ordering the blandest thing on the menu as an homage to that sketch.
Have we all seen this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlxM9oCTSUc
....r
Dr Peter Young
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 16:22:08 -0400, rwalker wrote:
>> On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 20:39:08 +0100, Pablo <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"Box" remains quite common. "Gogglebox" has all but died out, I believe.
>>>
>>>--
>>> Pablo
>>
>>
>> The American equivalent used to be "idiot box," but I don't hear that
>> very often any more.
> I think it metamorphosed to "boob tube" some time ago. Or maybe "idiot
> box" was a euphemization of "boob tube"??
"Boob tube" in BrE refers to a strapless and low-cut top worn by young
women. They can look either sexy or ridiculous!
Peter.
--
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(US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist)
Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired.
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
Peter Brooks
>
>
> "Boob tube" in BrE refers to a strapless and low-cut top worn by young
> women. They can look either sexy or ridiculous!
>
closely related.
You remind me of Lord Chesterfield: "The pleasure is momentary, the
position ridiculous, and the expense damnable."
The expense, of course, is not only damnable of the pleasure is with
harlots.
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
First time for me. Very good!
CDB
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 15:11:28 -0400, MC wrote:
>> Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>> R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>>> BrE filted:
>>>>>
>>>>> Susan Bennett found the elderly woman standing in the ruins
>>>>> of her home with her clothes burnt from her back. She said
>>>>> the woman told her: "I just turned on the cooker for my
>>>>> porridge and it went up."
>>>
>>>> ObPhrasalVerb: in AmE, "to go up" means "to forget what one is
>>>> about to say"....r
>>>
>>> It does? Where?
>>
>> I've never observed it in the wild in AmEland.
>
> Theatrical jargon, innit? Not sure if it's equally bipondial or
> what, not really being much of a thespian myself. It means to
> forget your lines.
>>
transitive "corpse".
Adam Funk
> On 4 Nov 2010 Roland Hutchinson <my.sp...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 16:22:08 -0400, rwalker wrote:
>>> The American equivalent used to be "idiot box," but I don't hear that
>>> very often any more.
>
>> I think it metamorphosed to "boob tube" some time ago. Or maybe "idiot
>> box" was a euphemization of "boob tube"??
The OED cites "boob" meaning "dummy" from 1909 and meaning "breast"
from 1949, and seems to suggest that they both come from unrelated
"booby" words (from Spanish "bobo" and related to German "bübbi",
respectively).
> "Boob tube" in BrE refers to a strapless and low-cut top worn by young
> women. They can look either sexy or ridiculous!
Sometimes both simultaneously.
--
I heard that Hans Christian Andersen lifted the title for "The Little
Mermaid" off a Red Lobster Menu. [Bucky Katt]
James Silverton
>> On 4 Nov 2010 Roland Hutchinson <my.sp...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 16:22:08 -0400, rwalker wrote:
>>>> The American equivalent used to be "idiot box," but I don't
>>>> hear that very often any more.
>>
>>> I think it metamorphosed to "boob tube" some time ago. Or
>>> maybe "idiot box" was a euphemization of "boob tube"??
> The OED cites "boob" meaning "dummy" from 1909 and meaning
> "breast" from 1949, and seems to suggest that they both come
> from unrelated "booby" words (from Spanish "bobo" and related
> to German "bübbi", respectively).
>> "Boob tube" in BrE refers to a strapless and low-cut top worn
>> by young women. They can look either sexy or ridiculous!
> Sometimes both simultaneously.
"Boobies" are also a family of sea birds. I always liked the name of the
one called the "Blue-footed Booby". It's quite common in the West and I
think the name comes from its rather clumsy habits on land.
--
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Potomac, Maryland
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R H Draney
>
>"Boobies" are also a family of sea birds. I always liked the name of the
>one called the "Blue-footed Booby". It's quite common in the West and I
>think the name comes from its rather clumsy habits on land.
Heard on "Hollywood Squares" circa 1968:
Q: "Why is the booby bird called the booby bird?"
A (Karen Valentine): "Because it has big...feet!"
Adam Funk
> On 4 Nov 2010 Roland Hutchinson <my.sp...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> I think it metamorphosed to "boob tube" some time ago. Or maybe "idiot
>> box" was a euphemization of "boob tube"??
>
> "Boob tube" in BrE refers to a strapless and low-cut top worn by young
> women. They can look either sexy or ridiculous!
"Tube top" in AmE, IIRC?
--
It is probable that television drama of high caliber and produced by
first-rate artists will materially raise the level of dramatic taste
of the nation. (David Sarnoff, CEO of RCA, 1939; in Stoll 1995)
Roland Hutchinson
> On 2010-11-04, Dr Peter Young wrote:
>
>> On 4 Nov 2010 Roland Hutchinson <my.sp...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>> I think it metamorphosed to "boob tube" some time ago. Or maybe
>>> "idiot box" was a euphemization of "boob tube"??
>>
>> "Boob tube" in BrE refers to a strapless and low-cut top worn by young
>> women. They can look either sexy or ridiculous!
>
>
> "Tube top" in AmE, IIRC?
Yes.
Glenn Knickerbocker
> The American equivalent used to be "idiot box," but I don't hear that
> very often any more.
Thanks to YouTube and some guy named Ryan from Duh-luth, you can get
almost more than you could want of it here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/NotR#grid/user/574824AD1FF04B57
(The opening of the last of these is my favorite part, with William
Schallert's sinister cackle.)
¬R
Nick
"Send up" works for me in BrE, but not "go up". This sides "to forget
what one is about to say" is "to dry".
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If I didn't have to download a "developer preview"[*] version of software
to see it might be able to agree. I like to have code (other than mine)
on my system - particularly in something that is such a prolific source
of exploits as Flash - in a slightly more mature state than that.
[*] - "We do not recommended that this release be used on production
systems or for any mission-critical work."