Meaning of this motto.

[Jim xzy]

I was doing some researh into heraldry and came across this motto:

"In veritate victoria", which I've been told means "in truth is victory".

If that enterpretation is correct, can anyone tell me what it means? I
presume it is philosophical statement, but to me, its meaning seems rather
vague and unclear.

Thank you,

Jim

[Harrison Hill]

Interpretation?

It means "The honest man is king" or "The righteous will inherit the
Earth".

[Derek Turner]

or 'victory lies in truth'. Most mottoes are vague and unclear while
being 'worthy'. If it helps, it is the motto both of the Ackroyd family
and the town of Loughborough in Leicestershire.

[Django Cat]

I'd go for 'zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz' as the motto for
Loughborough....

DC

--

[R H Draney]

Harrison Hill filted:

>
>On Feb 21, 11:19=A0am, Jim xzy <ssd...@rghh66.com> wrote:
>> I was doing some researh into heraldry and came across this motto:
>>
>> "In veritate victoria", which I've been told means "in truth is victory".
>>
>> If that enterpretation is correct, can anyone tell me what it means? I

>> presume it is philosophical statement, but to me, its meaning seems rathe=
>r
>> vague and unclear.

>
>It means "The honest man is king" or "The righteous will inherit the
>Earth".

Or even "right makes might"....r


--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.

[micky]

On 21 Feb 2012 11:19:25 GMT, Jim xzy <ssd...@rghh66.com> wrote:

>I was doing some researh into heraldry and came across this motto:
>
>"In veritate victoria", which I've been told means "in truth is victory".
>
>If that enterpretation is correct, can anyone tell me what it means? I

Ask a Roman?

>presume it is philosophical statement, but to me, its meaning seems rather
>vague and unclear.

A lot of people think one should never lie, but the consequences of
not lying in certain occasions are terrible. I guess this slogan
refers to the other occasions.

>Thank you,
>
>Jim

[James Hogg]

Or the answer Ernest I, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, received when he
asked his son, "WHOM are you going to marry?"

--
James

[R H Draney]

James Hogg filted:

I thought that one was "in hoc signo vinces"....r

[J. J. Lodder]

It's the inverse Cretan gambit,

Jan

[Mark Brader]

"Jim":

> "In veritate victoria", which I've been told means "in truth is victory".

Well, the Latin version does explicitly not include a word meaning "is",
but yes, that's as good a translation as any.

> If that enterpretation is correct, can anyone tell me what it means?

If you use the truth, it could help you win.
--
Mark Brader | Could it be that this law has nothing to do with law, justice,
Toronto | morality, liberty, or foreign trade, and everything to do with
m...@vex.net | politics? Shame on me for being so cynical. -- Morley Safer

[Joe Fineman]

James Hogg <Jas....@gOUTmail.com> writes:

> R H Draney wrote:
>> Harrison Hill filted:
>>> On Feb 21, 11:19=A0am, Jim xzy <ssd...@rghh66.com> wrote:
>>>> I was doing some researh into heraldry and came across this
>>>> motto:
>>>>
>>>> "In veritate victoria", which I've been told means "in truth is
>>>> victory".

>>> It means "The honest man is king" or "The righteous will inherit the
>>> Earth".
>>
>> Or even "right makes might"....r
>
> Or the answer Ernest I, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, received when
> he asked his son, "WHOM are you going to marry?"

Rather, "WHO would marry you?" The question you have imagined would
require "In veritate, VictoriaM".
--
--- Joe Fineman jo...@verizon.net

||: A terrorist is a wicked person who can afford a bomb but not :||
||: an airplane. :||

[Skitt]

Mark Brader wrote:
> "Jim":

>> "In veritate victoria", which I've been told means "in truth is victory".
>
> Well, the Latin version does explicitly not include a word meaning "is",
> but yes, that's as good a translation as any.

The terms "is" and "there is" are often omitted in Latin.

In vino veritas.

>
>> If that enterpretation is correct, can anyone tell me what it means?
>
> If you use the truth, it could help you win.


--

Skitt (SF Bay Area)
http://come.to/skitt

[jgharston]

Django Cat wrote:
> I'd go for 'zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz' as the motto for
> Loughborough....

Or, loogabarooga as it was known when my then-girlfriend was
at Uni there ;)

JGH - Et Ovum Excoxi

[Mark Brader]

Mark Brader:
>> Well, the Latin version does explicitly not include a word meaning "is"...

"Skitt":

> The terms "is" and "there is" are often omitted in Latin.

Which is why I said "explicitly".

> In vino veritas.

>> If you use the truth, it could help you win.

From which the conclusion is, time for a drink! :-)
--
Mark Brader | "Warning! Drinking beer, wine or spirits during
Toronto | pregnancy can harm your baby." (City of Toronto
m...@vex.net | notice in restaurant washrooms--men's and women's)

[James Hogg]

Joe Fineman wrote:
> James Hogg <Jas....@gOUTmail.com> writes:
>
>> R H Draney wrote:
>>> Harrison Hill filted:
>>>> On Feb 21, 11:19=A0am, Jim xzy <ssd...@rghh66.com> wrote:
>>>>> I was doing some researh into heraldry and came across this
>>>>> motto:
>>>>>
>>>>> "In veritate victoria", which I've been told means "in truth is
>>>>> victory".
>
>>>> It means "The honest man is king" or "The righteous will inherit the
>>>> Earth".
>>> Or even "right makes might"....r
>> Or the answer Ernest I, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, received when
>> he asked his son, "WHOM are you going to marry?"
>
> Rather, "WHO would marry you?" The question you have imagined would
> require "In veritate, VictoriaM".

Non amusatae sumus.

--
James

[Django Cat]

jgharston wrote:

> Django Cat wrote:
> > I'd go for 'zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz' as the motto for
> > Loughborough....
>
> Or, loogabarooga as it was known when my then-girlfriend was
> at Uni there ;)

Luffbugger, Shirley?

>
> JGH - Et Ovum Excoxi

What's latin for 'two'?

DC

--

[jgharston]

Django Cat wrote:
> > JGH - Et Ovum Excoxi
>
> What's latin for 'two'?

Duos, et militis ;)

JGH

[Skitt]

Mark Brader wrote:
> Mark Brader:

>>> Well, the Latin version does explicitly not include a word meaning "is"...
>
> "Skitt":
>> The terms "is" and "there is" are often omitted in Latin.
>
> Which is why I said "explicitly".

Yes, but the meaning of "explicitly" can vary. In the above case, the
term is entirely superfluous, and adding it implies some special
importance to it -- something like "leaving no question as to meaning or
intent".

I, on the other hand, suggested that it happens only "often".

>> In vino veritas.
>
>>> If you use the truth, it could help you win.
>
> From which the conclusion is, time for a drink! :-)

Prosit!

[Django Cat]

Honk!



--

[Robert Bannister]

I've heard "Lowbrow".

--
Robert Bannister

[R H Draney]

Robert Bannister filted:

Let it be Löwenbrau....r

[Jim xzy]

m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote in
news:RoCdnaktq_ilgtnS...@vex.net:

>> If that enterpretation is correct, can anyone tell me what it means?
>
> If you use the truth, it could help you win.

Thanks for that. Your explanation provides fresh insight.

Jim

[Mike Lyle]

Consider also "Victory lies in truth itself": compare "Great is truth,
and will prevail". Lapidary remarks need not have only a sngle
meaning.

--
Mike.

[Peter Moylan]

Any of these could also be taken to mean "I might have lost, but I had a
moral victory".

--
Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org
For an e-mail address, see my web page.

[Jim xzy]

Peter Moylan <inv...@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote in news:-
dGdnT2fnvT1SdvS...@westnet.com.au:

> Mike Lyle wrote:
>> On 23 Feb 2012 20:04:54 GMT, Jim xzy <ssd...@rghh66.com> wrote:
>>
>>> m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote in
>>> news:RoCdnaktq_ilgtnS...@vex.net:
>>>
>>>>> If that enterpretation is correct, can anyone tell me what it means?
>>>> If you use the truth, it could help you win.
>>>
>>> Thanks for that. Your explanation provides fresh insight.
>>
>> Consider also "Victory lies in truth itself": compare "Great is truth,
>> and will prevail". Lapidary remarks need not have only a sngle
>> meaning.
>>
> Any of these could also be taken to mean "I might have lost, but I had a
> moral victory".
>

I can't wondering what the inventor of the motto meant by "truth" in this
context. Perhaps the motto originated in the days when "truth" primarily
meant anything stated in the Bible. So, if you were fighting a war in the
name of one's religion (or "truth"), then victory was (supposedly) assured.
Is that possible?

Jim

[Mike Lyle]

It's easily possible. I wonder if it's a quotation.

--
Mike.

[Duggy]

On Feb 25, 5:30 am, Jim xzy <ssd...@rghh66.com> wrote:
> Peter Moylan <inva...@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote in news:-
> dGdnT2fnvT1SdvSnZ2dnUVZ8qGdn...@westnet.com.au:

Can "veritate" be used as word-of-God "truth"?

===
= DUG.
===

[dakotaa...@gmail.com]

This is actually my family's motto on our crest. We're german but our crest is linked to Olde English families.

[Tony Cooper]

On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 21:25:00 -0700 (PDT), dakotaa...@gmail.com
wrote:

>This is actually my family's motto on our crest. We're german but our crest is linked to Olde English families.

What is the motto? "Say nowt three times and ye'll have nobbut but
nowt"?

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

[Liz]

On Mar 14, 2016, Tony Cooper wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 21:25:00 -0700 (PDT), dakotaa...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> > This is actually my family's motto on our crest. We're german but our crest
> > is linked to Olde English families.
>
> What is the motto? "Say nowt three times and ye'll have nobbut but
> nowt"?

Try, try again.

We may not have it all together, but together we have it all!

Keep calm and carry on.

[Jerry Friedman]

On 3/13/16 10:44 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 21:25:00 -0700 (PDT), dakotaa...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> This is actually my family's motto on our crest. We're german but our crest is linked to Olde English families.
>
> What is the motto? "Say nowt three times and ye'll have nobbut but
> nowt"?

Or "This crest isn't much of an achievement"?

I checked GG. It's "In veritate victoria", which someone asked about in
2012.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Peter Moylan]

On 2016-Mar-14 15:25, dakotaa...@gmail.com wrote:

> This is actually my family's motto on our crest. We're german but our crest is linked to Olde English families.

You have "This" as your motto? That's weird.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

[occam]

On 14/03/2016 05:26, dakotaa...@gmail.com wrote:
> This is actually my family's motto on our crest. We're german but our crest is linked to Olde English families.
>

Should it be "Three strykes and you're oute?"

[RH Draney]

On 3/13/2016 11:24 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 2016-Mar-14 15:25, dakotaa...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This is actually my family's motto on our crest. We're german but our crest is linked to Olde English families.
>
> You have "This" as your motto? That's weird.

This....r

[Mark Brader]

> > This is actually my family's motto on our crest. We're german but our
> > crest is linked to Olde English families.

> You have "This" as your motto? That's weird.

Oh, I thought we were supposed to look at the subject line, so
"Meaning of this motto" was actually the motto.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "Common sense isn't any more common on Usenet
m...@vex.net | than it is anywhere else." --Henry Spencer

[dakotaa...@gmail.com]

No its "in veritate victoria" but ok then

[David Moorman]

On 2016-03-16 03:17:42 +0000, dakotaa...@gmail.com said:

> No its "in veritate victoria" but ok then

"In truth, victory"

[Peter Moylan]

On 2016-Mar-16 14:17, dakotaa...@gmail.com wrote:

> No its "in veritate victoria" but ok then

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