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HVS
Oct 8, 2019, 1:44:20 PM10/8/19
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A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
--
Cheers, Harvey
CanEng (30 yrs) and BrEng (36 yrs),
indiscriminately mixed
was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
--
Cheers, Harvey
CanEng (30 yrs) and BrEng (36 yrs),
indiscriminately mixed
Garrett Wollman
Oct 8, 2019, 1:52:13 PM10/8/19
to
In article <XnsAAE2BE9B...@178.63.61.145>,
had regular complaints about this over the years. The answer has
always been "we use the English spelling, and that is determined by
looking at usage, not what some government agency says.
The Guardian and Observer style guide uses the Ukrainian spelling.
>I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
>fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
>
>Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
>just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
Various Western government agencies have adopted the new spelling in
their public communications, especially foreign ministries, so it's
not surprising to see it work its way from there into diplomatic
reporting and then into the press. Since most native English speakers
have little need to talk about Ukraine outside of a news context, it
seems likely that the new spelling will eventually predominate.
Neither spelling is a particularly accurate reflection of the
*pronunciation* of the Ukrainian name.
-GAWollman
--
Garrett A. Wollman | "Act to avoid constraining the future; if you can,
wol...@bimajority.org| act to remove constraint from the future. This is
Opinions not shared by| a thing you can do, are able to do, to do together."
my employers. | - Graydon Saunders, _A Succession of Bad Days_ (2015)
HVS <off...@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
>A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
>was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
>transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
>the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
The timezone mailing-list (which has been shockingly quiet lately) has
>A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
>was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
>transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
>the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
had regular complaints about this over the years. The answer has
always been "we use the English spelling, and that is determined by
looking at usage, not what some government agency says.
The Guardian and Observer style guide uses the Ukrainian spelling.
>I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
>fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
>
>Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
>just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
their public communications, especially foreign ministries, so it's
not surprising to see it work its way from there into diplomatic
reporting and then into the press. Since most native English speakers
have little need to talk about Ukraine outside of a news context, it
seems likely that the new spelling will eventually predominate.
Neither spelling is a particularly accurate reflection of the
*pronunciation* of the Ukrainian name.
-GAWollman
--
Garrett A. Wollman | "Act to avoid constraining the future; if you can,
wol...@bimajority.org| act to remove constraint from the future. This is
Opinions not shared by| a thing you can do, are able to do, to do together."
my employers. | - Graydon Saunders, _A Succession of Bad Days_ (2015)
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 8, 2019, 2:03:26 PM10/8/19
to
On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:44:20 PM UTC-4, HVS wrote:
> A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
> was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
> transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
> the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
>
> I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
> fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
>
> Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
> just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
It's political, of course. Note how the president's first name is spelled
> A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
> was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
> transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
> the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
>
> I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
> fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
>
> Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
> just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
-- Volodimir. There are two letters in the Ukrainian alphabet that aren't
in the Russian alphabet, too.
Paul Carmichael
Oct 8, 2019, 2:14:45 PM10/8/19
to
On 08/10/2019 19:52, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> Since most native English speakers
> have little need to talk about Ukraine outside of a news context, it
> seems likely that the new spelling will eventually predominate.
One of my all time favourite foods. People used to call it Kevin anyway, so not sure
> Since most native English speakers
> have little need to talk about Ukraine outside of a news context, it
> seems likely that the new spelling will eventually predominate.
there'll be much change.
--
Paul.
https://paulc.es/
https://asetrad.org
Kerr-Mudd,John
Oct 8, 2019, 2:58:18 PM10/8/19
to
On Tue, 08 Oct 2019 17:44:15 GMT, HVS <off...@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk>
wrote:
> A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
> was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
> transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
> the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
>
> I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
> fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
>
> Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
> just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
>
Wickedpedia has the older style:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiev
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
wrote:
> A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
> was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
> transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
> the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
>
> I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
> fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
>
> Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
> just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiev
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
Anders D. Nygaard
Oct 8, 2019, 4:46:38 PM10/8/19
to
Den 08-10-2019 kl. 19:44 skrev HVS:
> A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
> was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
> transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
> the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
>
> I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
> fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
>
> Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
> just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
"Kyiv" is the spelling we were told to use when we lived there in
> A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
> was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
> transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
> the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
>
> I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
> fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
>
> Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
> just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
2007-09, and it was the spelling used in the primary (only?)
English-language newspaper published there (Kyiv Post, apparently;
I had forgotten).
I'm not sure I would have noticed the odd appearance of "Kiev"
as that is what I was brought up with, also in Danish.
It is the transliteration of the Ukrainian "Київ", where 'ї' is a
Ukrainian letter (one of three, IIRC), not used in Russian.
/Anders, Denmark.
Cheryl
Oct 8, 2019, 5:36:34 PM10/8/19
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On 2019-10-08 3:14 p.m., HVS wrote:
> A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
> was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
> transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
> the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
>
> I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
> fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
>
> Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
> just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
>
I don't think it's been widely used, but it has been used. I came across
> A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
> was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
> transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
> the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
>
> I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
> fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
>
> Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
> just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
>
it a few years when I attended a concert by groups from Ukraine, but I
think I saw it sometimes before that.
(A relative asked me if it was a political group. I said it was a
fund-raising activity in support of Ukraine with the organizers
commenting about who was responsible for the suffering of the people
there. Yes, it was somewhat political. And so, I suspect, they used the
newer spelling "Kyiv".)
--
Cheryl
Quinn C
Oct 8, 2019, 6:19:38 PM10/8/19
to
* Peter T. Daniels:
> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:44:20 PM UTC-4, HVS wrote:
>
>> A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
>> was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
>> transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
>> the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
>>
>> I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
>> fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
>>
>> Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
>> just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
>
> It's political, of course. Note how the president's first name is spelled
> -- Volodimir.
Volodymyr, actually.
> There are two letters in the Ukrainian alphabet that aren't
> in the Russian alphabet, too.
One of them being the i in Kyiv.
--
... English-speaking people have managed to get along a good many
centuries with the present supply of pronouns; ... It is so old and
venerable an argument ... it's equivalent was used when gas, railways
and steamboats were proposed. -- Findlay (OH) Jeffersonian (1875)
> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:44:20 PM UTC-4, HVS wrote:
>
>> A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
>> was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
>> transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
>> the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
>>
>> I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
>> fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
>>
>> Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
>> just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
>
> It's political, of course. Note how the president's first name is spelled
> -- Volodimir.
> There are two letters in the Ukrainian alphabet that aren't
> in the Russian alphabet, too.
--
... English-speaking people have managed to get along a good many
centuries with the present supply of pronouns; ... It is so old and
venerable an argument ... it's equivalent was used when gas, railways
and steamboats were proposed. -- Findlay (OH) Jeffersonian (1875)
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Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Oct 8, 2019, 6:56:46 PM10/8/19
to
On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 17:52:10 +0000 (UTC), wol...@bimajority.org (Garrett
Wollman) wrote:
>In article <XnsAAE2BE9B...@178.63.61.145>,
>HVS <off...@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
>>A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
>>was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
>>transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
>>the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
>
>The timezone mailing-list (which has been shockingly quiet lately) has
>had regular complaints about this over the years. The answer has
>always been "we use the English spelling, and that is determined by
>looking at usage, not what some government agency says.
>
>The Guardian and Observer style guide uses the Ukrainian spelling.
>
>>I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
>>fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
>>
>>Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
>>just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
>
>Various Western government agencies have adopted the new spelling in
>their public communications, especially foreign ministries, so it's
>not surprising to see it work its way from there into diplomatic
>reporting and then into the press. Since most native English speakers
>have little need to talk about Ukraine outside of a news context, it
>seems likely that the new spelling will eventually predominate.
>
But probably not in the food item "Chicken Kiev".
Wollman) wrote:
>In article <XnsAAE2BE9B...@178.63.61.145>,
>HVS <off...@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
>>A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
>>was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
>>transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
>>the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
>
>The timezone mailing-list (which has been shockingly quiet lately) has
>had regular complaints about this over the years. The answer has
>always been "we use the English spelling, and that is determined by
>looking at usage, not what some government agency says.
>
>The Guardian and Observer style guide uses the Ukrainian spelling.
>
>>I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
>>fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
>>
>>Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
>>just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
>
>Various Western government agencies have adopted the new spelling in
>their public communications, especially foreign ministries, so it's
>not surprising to see it work its way from there into diplomatic
>reporting and then into the press. Since most native English speakers
>have little need to talk about Ukraine outside of a news context, it
>seems likely that the new spelling will eventually predominate.
>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_Kiev
>Neither spelling is a particularly accurate reflection of the
>*pronunciation* of the Ukrainian name.
>
>-GAWollman
--
(in alt.usage.english)
David Kleinecke
Oct 8, 2019, 7:20:55 PM10/8/19
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Russian of Kyiv rather than elsewhere (Novograd?) Does it?
Peter Moylan
Oct 8, 2019, 7:48:17 PM10/8/19
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of the word.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
RH Draney
Oct 9, 2019, 3:35:28 AM10/9/19
to
same despite the name of the underlying place being changed in all the
official records....
Still waiting for the edict that says we have to say "Bharat ink"....r
Paul Carmichael
Oct 9, 2019, 5:43:27 AM10/9/19
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On 09/10/2019 00:56, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> But probably not in the food item "Chicken Kiev".
See above ^
> But probably not in the food item "Chicken Kiev".
Paul Carmichael
Oct 9, 2019, 5:44:36 AM10/9/19
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On 09/10/2019 09:35, RH Draney wrote:
> Which joins "Burma Shave" and "siamese cat" as old names that remain the same despite the
> name of the underlying place being changed in all the official records....
Don't forget Bombay Mix.
> Which joins "Burma Shave" and "siamese cat" as old names that remain the same despite the
> name of the underlying place being changed in all the official records....
HVS
Oct 9, 2019, 6:42:49 AM10/9/19
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On 08 Oct 2019, HVS wrote
-snip-
> Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and
> I've just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news
> outlets?
>
Thanks to all; this has put it into context for me.
-snip-
> Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and
> I've just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news
> outlets?
>
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Oct 9, 2019, 6:43:51 AM10/9/19
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On 2019-10-09 09:43:23 +0000, Paul Carmichael said:
> On 09/10/2019 00:56, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>
>> But probably not in the food item "Chicken Kiev".
>
> See above ^
There is a Ukrainian in our group, and I asked him a few minutes ago
> On 09/10/2019 00:56, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>
>> But probably not in the food item "Chicken Kiev".
>
> See above ^
how to pronounce Kyïv. The way he said it sounded (to English ears)
much like [kɪjɪv]. He said that the difference with how Kiev is
pronounced in Russian is quite subtle, and, indeed, when he said it it
sounded much like the way he said Kyïv. I think the usual English
pronunciation of Kiev puts a lot of stress on the e, but he didn't.
--
athel
occam
Oct 9, 2019, 9:51:14 AM10/9/19
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On 09/10/2019 11:44, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> On 09/10/2019 09:35, RH Draney wrote:
>
>> Which joins "Burma Shave" and "siamese cat" as old names that remain
>> the same despite the name of the underlying place being changed in all
>> the official records....
>
> Don't forget Bombay Mix.
>
Oh Calcutta!
> On 09/10/2019 09:35, RH Draney wrote:
>
>> Which joins "Burma Shave" and "siamese cat" as old names that remain
>> the same despite the name of the underlying place being changed in all
>> the official records....
>
> Don't forget Bombay Mix.
>
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Oct 9, 2019, 9:58:32 AM10/9/19
to
On 2019-10-09 09:35:18 +0200, RH Draney <dado...@cox.net> said:
>
> [ ... ]
>
> Still waiting for the edict that says we have to say "Bharat ink"....r
You can wait while sitting on your turkish, wearing an Ecuador hat,
stroking your Iranian cat and admiring your nihonned furniture.
--
athel
>
> [ ... ]
>
> Still waiting for the edict that says we have to say "Bharat ink"....r
stroking your Iranian cat and admiring your nihonned furniture.
--
athel
Ken Blake
Oct 9, 2019, 11:11:20 AM10/9/19
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bebe...@aol.com
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Paul Wolff
Oct 9, 2019, 1:38:55 PM10/9/19
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On Tue, 8 Oct 2019, at 23:56:39, "Peter Duncanson [BrE]"
was a Picture of it At An Exhibition: the last image shown at
http://www.stmoroky.com/reviews/gallery/pictures/hartmann.htm
Paul
>On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 17:52:10 +0000 (UTC), wol...@bimajority.org (Garrett
>>HVS <off...@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
>>>A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
>>>was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
>>>transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
>>>the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
>>
>>The timezone mailing-list (which has been shockingly quiet lately) has
>>had regular complaints about this over the years. The answer has
>>always been "we use the English spelling, and that is determined by
>>looking at usage, not what some government agency says.
>>
>>The Guardian and Observer style guide uses the Ukrainian spelling.
>>
>>>I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
>>>fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
>>>
>>>Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
>>>just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
>>
>>Various Western government agencies have adopted the new spelling in
>>their public communications, especially foreign ministries, so it's
>>not surprising to see it work its way from there into diplomatic
>>reporting and then into the press. Since most native English speakers
>>have little need to talk about Ukraine outside of a news context, it
>>seems likely that the new spelling will eventually predominate.
>
>But probably not in the food item "Chicken Kiev".
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_Kiev
And of course everyone knows that Kiev had a Great Gate, because there
>>>A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
>>>was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
>>>transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
>>>the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
>>
>>The timezone mailing-list (which has been shockingly quiet lately) has
>>had regular complaints about this over the years. The answer has
>>always been "we use the English spelling, and that is determined by
>>looking at usage, not what some government agency says.
>>
>>The Guardian and Observer style guide uses the Ukrainian spelling.
>>
>>>I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
>>>fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
>>>
>>>Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
>>>just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
>>
>>Various Western government agencies have adopted the new spelling in
>>their public communications, especially foreign ministries, so it's
>>not surprising to see it work its way from there into diplomatic
>>reporting and then into the press. Since most native English speakers
>>have little need to talk about Ukraine outside of a news context, it
>>seems likely that the new spelling will eventually predominate.
>
>But probably not in the food item "Chicken Kiev".
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_Kiev
was a Picture of it At An Exhibition: the last image shown at
http://www.stmoroky.com/reviews/gallery/pictures/hartmann.htm
>
>>Neither spelling is a particularly accurate reflection of the
>>*pronunciation* of the Ukrainian name.
--
>>Neither spelling is a particularly accurate reflection of the
>>*pronunciation* of the Ukrainian name.
Paul
Jerry Friedman
Oct 9, 2019, 2:03:55 PM10/9/19
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It's been suggested that the current American political scandal could
be called the Great Gate of Kyiv.
--
Jerry Friedman
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 9, 2019, 2:28:01 PM10/9/19
to
On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 6:19:38 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> * Peter T. Daniels:
> > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:44:20 PM UTC-4, HVS wrote:
> >> A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
> >> was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
> >> transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
> >> the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
> >>
> >> I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
> >> fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
> >>
> >> Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
> >> just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
> >
> > It's political, of course. Note how the president's first name is spelled
> > -- Volodimir.
>
> Volodymyr, actually.
You read your transliterations, I'll read the ones that appear before me.
> * Peter T. Daniels:
> > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:44:20 PM UTC-4, HVS wrote:
> >> A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
> >> was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
> >> transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
> >> the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
> >>
> >> I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
> >> fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
> >>
> >> Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
> >> just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
> >
> > It's political, of course. Note how the president's first name is spelled
> > -- Volodimir.
>
> Volodymyr, actually.
Briefly, some were ending his last name with two y's.
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 9, 2019, 2:29:59 PM10/9/19
to
were on the highways we traversed in Upstate New York, New England, and
maybe eastern Canada in the early 1960s. But Interstates don't allow
advertising signs.
> Still waiting for the edict that says we have to say "Bharat ink"....r
Tony Cooper
Oct 9, 2019, 2:59:08 PM10/9/19
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On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 11:29:56 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 3:35:28 AM UTC-4, RH Draney wrote:
>> On 10/8/2019 3:56 PM, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>
>> > But probably not in the food item "Chicken Kiev".
>>
>> Which joins "Burma Shave" and "siamese cat" as old names that remain the
>> same despite the name of the underlying place being changed in all the
>> official records....
>
>Any reason to suppose that Burma-Shave still exists? Its sign sequences
>were on the highways we traversed in Upstate New York, New England, and
>maybe eastern Canada in the early 1960s. But Interstates don't allow
>advertising signs.
>
Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available. (It
<gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 3:35:28 AM UTC-4, RH Draney wrote:
>> On 10/8/2019 3:56 PM, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>
>> > But probably not in the food item "Chicken Kiev".
>>
>> Which joins "Burma Shave" and "siamese cat" as old names that remain the
>> same despite the name of the underlying place being changed in all the
>> official records....
>
>Any reason to suppose that Burma-Shave still exists? Its sign sequences
>were on the highways we traversed in Upstate New York, New England, and
>maybe eastern Canada in the early 1960s. But Interstates don't allow
>advertising signs.
>
isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
(like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
the face.
Men who wet-shave now generally use an aerosol foam or gel shaving
cream. I have seen tubes of shaving cream on the shelves, but they
are for people with some sort of skin condition. Some of the brands
are labeled for African-American users.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
charles
Oct 9, 2019, 5:12:07 PM10/9/19
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In article <l1bspehor7qcs44ug...@4ax.com>,
than an aerosol
> Men who wet-shave now generally use an aerosol foam or gel shaving
> cream. I have seen tubes of shaving cream on the shelves, but they
> are for people with some sort of skin condition. Some of the brands
> are labeled for African-American users.
--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 11:29:56 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 3:35:28 AM UTC-4, RH Draney wrote:
> >> On 10/8/2019 3:56 PM, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> >
> >> > But probably not in the food item "Chicken Kiev".
> >>
> >> Which joins "Burma Shave" and "siamese cat" as old names that remain the
> >> same despite the name of the underlying place being changed in all the
> >> official records....
> >
> >Any reason to suppose that Burma-Shave still exists? Its sign sequences
> >were on the highways we traversed in Upstate New York, New England, and
> >maybe eastern Canada in the early 1960s. But Interstates don't allow
> >advertising signs.
> >
> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available. (It
> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
> the face.
I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far better
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 11:29:56 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 3:35:28 AM UTC-4, RH Draney wrote:
> >> On 10/8/2019 3:56 PM, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> >
> >> > But probably not in the food item "Chicken Kiev".
> >>
> >> Which joins "Burma Shave" and "siamese cat" as old names that remain the
> >> same despite the name of the underlying place being changed in all the
> >> official records....
> >
> >Any reason to suppose that Burma-Shave still exists? Its sign sequences
> >were on the highways we traversed in Upstate New York, New England, and
> >maybe eastern Canada in the early 1960s. But Interstates don't allow
> >advertising signs.
> >
> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available. (It
> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
> the face.
than an aerosol
> Men who wet-shave now generally use an aerosol foam or gel shaving
> cream. I have seen tubes of shaving cream on the shelves, but they
> are for people with some sort of skin condition. Some of the brands
> are labeled for African-American users.
--
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 9, 2019, 5:48:55 PM10/9/19
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recognition and good will!
Quinn C
Oct 9, 2019, 5:54:26 PM10/9/19
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* charles:
> In article <l1bspehor7qcs44ug...@4ax.com>,
> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available. (It
>> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
>> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
>> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
>> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
>> the face.
>
> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far better
> than an aerosol
Better how? I'm curious.
--
In the old days, the complaints about the passing of the
golden age were much more sophisticated.
-- James Hogg in alt.usage.english
> In article <l1bspehor7qcs44ug...@4ax.com>,
> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available. (It
>> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
>> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
>> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
>> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
>> the face.
>
> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far better
> than an aerosol
--
In the old days, the complaints about the passing of the
golden age were much more sophisticated.
-- James Hogg in alt.usage.english
Quinn C
Oct 9, 2019, 5:54:26 PM10/9/19
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* Tony Cooper:
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 11:29:56 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>Any reason to suppose that Burma-Shave still exists?
>
offering these products. Admittedly, the cream is neither modern nor
properly nostalgic. Solid shaving soap is still available, and the
straight razor crowd would insist.
But it looks like the brand has been phased out.
--
Motives? Who cares for motives? Humans, perhaps.
-- Klingon Ambassador Kell
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 11:29:56 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>Any reason to suppose that Burma-Shave still exists?
>
> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available. (It
> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
> the face.
>
> Men who wet-shave now generally use an aerosol foam or gel shaving
> cream.
The "Burma-Shave" brand - whoever is the current owner - could be
> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
> the face.
>
> Men who wet-shave now generally use an aerosol foam or gel shaving
> cream.
offering these products. Admittedly, the cream is neither modern nor
properly nostalgic. Solid shaving soap is still available, and the
straight razor crowd would insist.
But it looks like the brand has been phased out.
--
Motives? Who cares for motives? Humans, perhaps.
-- Klingon Ambassador Kell
Quinn C
Oct 9, 2019, 5:54:27 PM10/9/19
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Volodymyr is the transliteration consistent with Kiyv.
--
A chrysanthemum by any other name would be easier to spell.
Peter Moylan in alt.usage.english
Ken Blake
Oct 9, 2019, 7:21:18 PM10/9/19
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On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 17:54:23 -0400, Quinn C
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>* Peter T. Daniels:
>
>> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 6:19:38 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
>>> * Peter T. Daniels:
>>>> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:44:20 PM UTC-4, HVS wrote:
>>
>>>>> A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
>>>>> was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
>>>>> transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
>>>>> the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
>>>>> fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
>>>>> just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
>>>>
>>>> It's political, of course. Note how the president's first name is spelled
>>>> -- Volodimir.
>>>
>>> Volodymyr, actually.
>>
>> You read your transliterations, I'll read the ones that appear before me.
>> Briefly, some were ending his last name with two y's.
>
>OK, clearer version:
> Volodymyr is the transliteration consistent with Kiyv.
Including that first O? I would have thought it more like Vlodymyr.
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>* Peter T. Daniels:
>
>> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 6:19:38 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
>>> * Peter T. Daniels:
>>>> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:44:20 PM UTC-4, HVS wrote:
>>
>>>>> A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
>>>>> was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
>>>>> transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
>>>>> the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
>>>>> fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
>>>>> just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
>>>>
>>>> It's political, of course. Note how the president's first name is spelled
>>>> -- Volodimir.
>>>
>>> Volodymyr, actually.
>>
>> You read your transliterations, I'll read the ones that appear before me.
>> Briefly, some were ending his last name with two y's.
>
>OK, clearer version:
> Volodymyr is the transliteration consistent with Kiyv.
RH Draney
Oct 9, 2019, 7:31:54 PM10/9/19
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On 10/9/2019 2:06 PM, charles wrote:
> In article <l1bspehor7qcs44ug...@4ax.com>,
> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available. (It
>> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
>> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
>> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
>> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
>> the face.
>
> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far better
> than an aerosol
'sat you, Grandpa?...r
> In article <l1bspehor7qcs44ug...@4ax.com>,
> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available. (It
>> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
>> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
>> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
>> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
>> the face.
>
> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far better
> than an aerosol
Tak To
Oct 9, 2019, 10:18:42 PM10/9/19
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On 10/9/2019 5:06 PM, charles wrote:
> In article <l1bspehor7qcs44ug...@4ax.com>,
> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 11:29:56 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>> On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 3:35:28 AM UTC-4, RH Draney wrote:
>>>> On 10/8/2019 3:56 PM, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>>>
>>>>> But probably not in the food item "Chicken Kiev".
>>>>
>>>> Which joins "Burma Shave" and "siamese cat" as old names that remain the
>>>> same despite the name of the underlying place being changed in all the
>>>> official records....
>>>
>>> Any reason to suppose that Burma-Shave still exists? Its sign sequences
>>> were on the highways we traversed in Upstate New York, New England, and
>>> maybe eastern Canada in the early 1960s. But Interstates don't allow
>>> advertising signs.
>>>
>
>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available. (It
>> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
>> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
>> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
>> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
>> the face.
>
>
> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far better
> than an aerosol
Gillette used to have a product called Brush Plus
> In article <l1bspehor7qcs44ug...@4ax.com>,
> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 11:29:56 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>> On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 3:35:28 AM UTC-4, RH Draney wrote:
>>>> On 10/8/2019 3:56 PM, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>>>
>>>>> But probably not in the food item "Chicken Kiev".
>>>>
>>>> Which joins "Burma Shave" and "siamese cat" as old names that remain the
>>>> same despite the name of the underlying place being changed in all the
>>>> official records....
>>>
>>> Any reason to suppose that Burma-Shave still exists? Its sign sequences
>>> were on the highways we traversed in Upstate New York, New England, and
>>> maybe eastern Canada in the early 1960s. But Interstates don't allow
>>> advertising signs.
>>>
>
>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available. (It
>> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
>> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
>> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
>> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
>> the face.
>
>
> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far better
> than an aerosol
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/JdEAAOSwvbZdgRSa/s-l640.jpg
which is essentially a shaving brush with a thick hollowed-
out handle that holds a small canister of shaving gel/soap.
One twists a wheel at the bottom of the canister to push the
gel out to the middle of the brush. I liked the product but
it was discontinued.
I had very good experience with the heated lather dispensers
that I found in health clubs.
Nowadays I shower in the evening and use an electric razor
in the morning.
--
Tak
----------------------------------------------------------------+-----
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[taode takto ~{LU5B~}] NB: trim the xx to get my real email addr
Tak To
Oct 9, 2019, 10:43:16 PM10/9/19
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distinct names, whereas Burma and Myanmar are arguably the
same name.
Of the first category there are also "Persia/Iran",
"Königsberg/Kaliningrad", etc.
> Still waiting for the edict that says we have to say "Bharat ink"....r
product itself (the original product, with handwoven fabric
and dyes that bleed) is probably obsolete.
charles
Oct 10, 2019, 4:12:07 AM10/10/19
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In article <h078v6...@mid.individual.net>,
one. I started, as I suspect many do, with an electric razor, but went over
to wet shaving in my 20s. I found that cream from a tube or aerosal was not
nearly as good at softening my bristles as soap applied with a shaving
brush,
RH Draney <dado...@cox.net> wrote:
> On 10/9/2019 2:06 PM, charles wrote:
> > In article <l1bspehor7qcs44ug...@4ax.com>,
> > Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available. (It
> >> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
> >> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
> >> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
> >> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
> >> the face.
> >
> > I use shaving sOap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far
> On 10/9/2019 2:06 PM, charles wrote:
> > In article <l1bspehor7qcs44ug...@4ax.com>,
> > Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available. (It
> >> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
> >> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
> >> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
> >> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
> >> the face.
> >
> > better than an aerosol
> 'sat you, Grandpa?...r
well, I am a grandpa, but have been shaving that way long before I became
> 'sat you, Grandpa?...r
one. I started, as I suspect many do, with an electric razor, but went over
to wet shaving in my 20s. I found that cream from a tube or aerosal was not
nearly as good at softening my bristles as soap applied with a shaving
brush,
Kerr-Mudd,John
Oct 10, 2019, 6:02:23 AM10/10/19
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--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
occam
Oct 10, 2019, 7:00:07 AM10/10/19
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Lewis
Oct 10, 2019, 8:17:36 AM10/10/19
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--
Something wonderful, if you took the long view, was about to happen. If
you took the short or medium view, something horrible was about to
happen. It's like the difference between seeing a beautiful new star in
the winter sky and actually being close to the supernova. It's the
difference between the beauty of morning dew on a cobweb and actually
being a fly. --Reaper Man
Adam Funk
Oct 10, 2019, 8:45:12 AM10/10/19
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--
"It is the role of librarians to keep government running in difficult
times," replied Dramoren. "Librarians are the last line of defence
against chaos." (McMullen 2001)
Adam Funk
Oct 10, 2019, 8:45:13 AM10/10/19
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On 2019-10-09, charles wrote:
> In article <l1bspehor7qcs44ug...@4ax.com>,
> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 11:29:56 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> >On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 3:35:28 AM UTC-4, RH Draney wrote:
>> >> On 10/8/2019 3:56 PM, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>> >
>> >> > But probably not in the food item "Chicken Kiev".
>> >>
>> >> Which joins "Burma Shave" and "siamese cat" as old names that remain the
>> >> same despite the name of the underlying place being changed in all the
>> >> official records....
>> >
>> >Any reason to suppose that Burma-Shave still exists? Its sign sequences
>> >were on the highways we traversed in Upstate New York, New England, and
>> >maybe eastern Canada in the early 1960s. But Interstates don't allow
>> >advertising signs.
>> >
>
>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available. (It
>> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
>> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
>> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
>> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
>> the face.
>
>
> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far better
> than an aerosol
I use Dr Bronner's (solid) soap & a brush, but no mug since I use the
> In article <l1bspehor7qcs44ug...@4ax.com>,
> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 11:29:56 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> >On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 3:35:28 AM UTC-4, RH Draney wrote:
>> >> On 10/8/2019 3:56 PM, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>> >
>> >> > But probably not in the food item "Chicken Kiev".
>> >>
>> >> Which joins "Burma Shave" and "siamese cat" as old names that remain the
>> >> same despite the name of the underlying place being changed in all the
>> >> official records....
>> >
>> >Any reason to suppose that Burma-Shave still exists? Its sign sequences
>> >were on the highways we traversed in Upstate New York, New England, and
>> >maybe eastern Canada in the early 1960s. But Interstates don't allow
>> >advertising signs.
>> >
>
>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available. (It
>> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
>> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
>> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
>> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
>> the face.
>
>
> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far better
> than an aerosol
same soap for hand-washing in the bathroom.
--
You cannot really appreciate Dilbert unless you've read it in the
original Klingon. ---Klingon Programmer's Guide
CDB
Oct 10, 2019, 11:11:30 AM10/10/19
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On 10/10/2019 7:00 AM, occam wrote:
> bebe...@aol.com wrote:
>> Ken Blake a écrit :
>>> occam <oc...@invalid.nix> wrote
Perhaps related to "pumped" (Spanish for "pump" is "bomba')?
Protruding, bulging, rounded. In the islands, a mad ras.
> bebe...@aol.com wrote:
>> Ken Blake a écrit :
>>> occam <oc...@invalid.nix> wrote
>>>> Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>>> RH Draney wrote:
>>>>>> Which joins "Burma Shave" and "siamese cat" as old names
>>>>>> that remain the same despite the name of the underlying
>>>>>> place being changed in all the official records....
>>>>> Don't forget Bombay Mix.
>>>> Oh Calcutta!
>>> O quel cul t'as,
>> Il est bien Bombay !
> Je n'ai occam idée de ce que vous essayez de dire.
Empty boat? Very Daoist.
>>>>> RH Draney wrote:
>>>>>> Which joins "Burma Shave" and "siamese cat" as old names
>>>>>> that remain the same despite the name of the underlying
>>>>>> place being changed in all the official records....
>>>>> Don't forget Bombay Mix.
>>>> Oh Calcutta!
>>> O quel cul t'as,
>> Il est bien Bombay !
> Je n'ai occam idée de ce que vous essayez de dire.
Perhaps related to "pumped" (Spanish for "pump" is "bomba')?
Protruding, bulging, rounded. In the islands, a mad ras.
CDB
Oct 10, 2019, 11:11:48 AM10/10/19
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On 10/9/2019 5:54 PM, Quinn C wrote:
> * charles:
mixed in my palm with handmade soapsuds and sometimes a little spit.
> * charles:
>> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available.
>>> (It isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in
>>> a tube (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s,
>>> men used a shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush.
>>> The brush was wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the
>>> suds were brushed on the face.
>> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far
>> better than an aerosol
> Better how? I'm curious.
Not in a wasteful aerosol container. I use the tubed stuff myself,
>>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available.
>>> (It isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in
>>> a tube (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s,
>>> men used a shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush.
>>> The brush was wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the
>>> suds were brushed on the face.
>> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far
>> better than an aerosol
> Better how? I'm curious.
mixed in my palm with handmade soapsuds and sometimes a little spit.
Anders D. Nygaard
Oct 10, 2019, 12:02:21 PM10/10/19
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Den 09-10-2019 kl. 01:20 skrev David Kleinecke:
>
> I would expect the Danish kings' name Vladimir to reflect the
> Russian of Kyiv rather than elsewhere (Novograd?) Does it?
No, they are called "Valdemar". All four of them.
<URL:http://www.danmarkskonger.dk/>
/Anders, Denmark.
> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 3:56:46 PM UTC-7, PeterWD wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 17:52:10 +0000 (UTC), wol...@bimajority.org (Garrett
>> On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 17:52:10 +0000 (UTC), wol...@bimajority.org (Garrett
>> Wollman) wrote:
>>
>>> In article <XnsAAE2BE9B...@178.63.61.145>,
>>> HVS <off...@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
[Volodymir or Володимир]
>>
>>> In article <XnsAAE2BE9B...@178.63.61.145>,
>>> HVS <off...@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Neither spelling is a particularly accurate reflection of the
>>> *pronunciation* of the Ukrainian name.
>>>
>>> -GAWollman
>>> *pronunciation* of the Ukrainian name.
>>>
>
> I would expect the Danish kings' name Vladimir to reflect the
> Russian of Kyiv rather than elsewhere (Novograd?) Does it?
No, they are called "Valdemar". All four of them.
<URL:http://www.danmarkskonger.dk/>
/Anders, Denmark.
Anders D. Nygaard
Oct 10, 2019, 12:10:05 PM10/10/19
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Den 08-10-2019 kl. 20:03 skrev Peter T. Daniels:
> [...] There are two letters in the Ukrainian alphabet that aren't
> in the Russian alphabet, too.
Which of Ñ—, Ñ”, and Ò‘ do you not count?
/Anders, Denmark.
> [...] There are two letters in the Ukrainian alphabet that aren't
> in the Russian alphabet, too.
Which of Ñ—, Ñ”, and Ò‘ do you not count?
/Anders, Denmark.
Quinn C
Oct 10, 2019, 12:45:47 PM10/10/19
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* occam:
Good! Don't introduce more ideas than necessary!
But I'd really like to see you weigh in on the razor debate in the
adjacent subthread.
--
falces non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
http://www.islandbreath.org/2011Year/01/110131multiblades.jpg
But I'd really like to see you weigh in on the razor debate in the
adjacent subthread.
--
falces non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
http://www.islandbreath.org/2011Year/01/110131multiblades.jpg
Quinn C
Oct 10, 2019, 12:46:18 PM10/10/19
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* Anders D. Nygaard:
ITYM which of i, Ñ—, Ñ”, and Ò‘ ...
--
There is a whole cottage industry devoted to people who are
upset by the idea of others being outraged.
-- Washington Post 2019-09-18
--
There is a whole cottage industry devoted to people who are
upset by the idea of others being outraged.
-- Washington Post 2019-09-18
charles
Oct 10, 2019, 1:12:08 PM10/10/19
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In article <qnnhnf$1s80$2...@gioia.aioe.org>,
better becaue I get a better lather which softens the bristles more and
they cut better. I do used tubed stuff when away from hom, but I don't
manage as good a shave.
they cut better. I do used tubed stuff when away from hom, but I don't
manage as good a shave.
bebe...@aol.com
Oct 10, 2019, 2:34:06 PM10/10/19
to
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 10, 2019, 4:44:38 PM10/10/19
to
On Thursday, October 10, 2019 at 8:45:13 AM UTC-4, Adam Funk wrote:
> I use Dr Bronner's (solid) soap & a brush, but no mug since I use the
> same soap for hand-washing in the bathroom.
Ah. I hadn't heard of Hillel Soap either, so your elsethread remark
> I use Dr Bronner's (solid) soap & a brush, but no mug since I use the
> same soap for hand-washing in the bathroom.
was opaque.
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 10, 2019, 4:44:43 PM10/10/19
to
On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 5:54:27 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> * Peter T. Daniels:
> > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 6:19:38 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> >> * Peter T. Daniels:
> >>> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:44:20 PM UTC-4, HVS wrote:
> >>>> A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
> >>>> was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
> >>>> transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
> >>>> the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
> >>>> I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
> >>>> fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
> >>>> Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
> >>>> just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
> >>> It's political, of course. Note how the president's first name is spelled
> >>> -- Volodimir.
> >> Volodymyr, actually.
> > You read your transliterations, I'll read the ones that appear before me.
> > Briefly, some were ending his last name with two y's.
>
> OK, clearer version:
> Volodymyr is the transliteration consistent with Kiyv.
There ya go -- I haven't seen "Kiyv" anywhere.
> * Peter T. Daniels:
> > On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 6:19:38 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> >> * Peter T. Daniels:
> >>> On Tuesday, October 8, 2019 at 1:44:20 PM UTC-4, HVS wrote:
> >>>> A quick Google informs me that the spelling of the Ukraianian capital
> >>>> was officially changed from "Kiev" to "Kyiv" in 1995. (The former is a
> >>>> transliteration of the Russian spelling, while the latter is apparently
> >>>> the preferred Latinisation from Ukrainian.)
> >>>> I've got no problem with this, but it's only during the current
> >>>> fooferah about Trump's call that I've noticed the "Kyiv" spelling.
> >>>> Has "Kyiv" been widely used over the past quarter of a century and I've
> >>>> just not noticed, or is it only now being adopted by news outlets?
> >>> It's political, of course. Note how the president's first name is spelled
> >>> -- Volodimir.
> >> Volodymyr, actually.
> > You read your transliterations, I'll read the ones that appear before me.
> > Briefly, some were ending his last name with two y's.
>
> OK, clearer version:
> Volodymyr is the transliteration consistent with Kiyv.
Quinn C
Oct 10, 2019, 5:58:12 PM10/10/19
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* CDB:
> On 10/9/2019 5:54 PM, Quinn C wrote:
>> * charles:
>>> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available.
>>>> (It isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in
>>>> a tube (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s,
>>>> men used a shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush.
>>>> The brush was wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the
>>>> suds were brushed on the face.
>
>>> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far
>>> better than an aerosol
>
>> Better how? I'm curious.
>
> Not in a wasteful aerosol container.
That's a good reason, but I feel it wasn't the subject of discussion
above.
> I use the tubed stuff myself,
> mixed in my palm with handmade soapsuds and sometimes a little spit.
I should try that. I don't think I'll change to a method that requires
a brush as long as every minutes counts in the morning (on workdays.)
--
Are you sure your sanity chip is fully screwed in, Sir?
-- Kryten to Rimmer (Red Dwarf)
> On 10/9/2019 5:54 PM, Quinn C wrote:
>> * charles:
>>> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available.
>>>> (It isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in
>>>> a tube (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s,
>>>> men used a shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush.
>>>> The brush was wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the
>>>> suds were brushed on the face.
>
>>> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far
>>> better than an aerosol
>
>> Better how? I'm curious.
>
> Not in a wasteful aerosol container.
above.
> I use the tubed stuff myself,
> mixed in my palm with handmade soapsuds and sometimes a little spit.
a brush as long as every minutes counts in the morning (on workdays.)
--
Are you sure your sanity chip is fully screwed in, Sir?
-- Kryten to Rimmer (Red Dwarf)
Quinn C
Oct 10, 2019, 5:58:12 PM10/10/19
to
Wait ... that's the default with you. Never mind. Bye.
--
Smith & Wesson--the original point and click interface
Peter Moylan
Oct 10, 2019, 10:52:54 PM10/10/19
to
Anders D. Nygaard
Oct 11, 2019, 2:11:33 AM10/11/19
to
/Anders, Denmark.
Anders D. Nygaard
Oct 11, 2019, 2:18:19 AM10/11/19
to
Den 10-10-2019 kl. 18:46 skrev Quinn C:
> * Anders D. Nygaard:
>
>> Den 08-10-2019 kl. 20:03 skrev Peter T. Daniels:
>>> [...] There are two letters in the Ukrainian alphabet that aren't
>>> in the Russian alphabet, too.
>>
>> Which of Ñ—, Ñ”, and Ò‘ do you not count?
>
> ITYM which of i, Ñ—, Ñ”, and Ò‘ ...
So I do. Thank you for freshening up my rusty Ukrainian knowledge.
> * Anders D. Nygaard:
>
>> Den 08-10-2019 kl. 20:03 skrev Peter T. Daniels:
>>> [...] There are two letters in the Ukrainian alphabet that aren't
>>> in the Russian alphabet, too.
>>
>> Which of Ñ—, Ñ”, and Ò‘ do you not count?
>
> ITYM which of i, Ñ—, Ñ”, and Ò‘ ...
/Anders, Denmark.
Adam Funk
Oct 11, 2019, 4:00:09 AM10/11/19
to
must not be as well-known as I thought.
--
...and Tom [Snyder] turns to him and says, "so Alice [Cooper], is it
true you kill chickens on stage?" That was the opening question, and
Alice looks at him real serious and goes, "Oh no, no no. That's
Colonel Sanders. Colonel Sanders kills chickens."
occam
Oct 11, 2019, 4:10:43 AM10/11/19
to
On 09/10/2019 23:54, Quinn C wrote:
> * charles:
>
>> In article <l1bspehor7qcs44ug...@4ax.com>,
> * charles:
>
>> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available. (It
>>> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
>>> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
>>> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
>>> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
>>> the face.
>>
>> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far better
>> than an aerosol
>
> Better how? I'm curious.
>
The aerosol foam I tried reminded me of aerosol creams one buys in
>>
>>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available. (It
>>> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
>>> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
>>> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
>>> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
>>> the face.
>>
>> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far better
>> than an aerosol
>
> Better how? I'm curious.
>
supermarkets. No staying power. In addition, it smelled a little strange
- the side effect of the pressurised air I suspect. Very wasteful
packaging, considering it only delivers foam.
Tony Cooper
Oct 11, 2019, 8:14:59 AM10/11/19
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market 30-some years ago. A little dollop of gel produces enough foam
for a good shave. One can lasts several months.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 11, 2019, 10:23:01 AM10/11/19
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you really mean "Kiyv"?
The simple fact is that spelling and romanization can be used for
political purposes. Do you think they use pinyin in Taiwan?
John Varela
Oct 11, 2019, 9:57:04 PM10/11/19
to
apply, and there's no mess on my hands to be rinsed off before I
pick up the razor. I carry an aerosol for travel, only because it's
less paraphernalia to pack.
--
John Varela
John Varela
Oct 11, 2019, 9:59:29 PM10/11/19
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On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 02:18:27 UTC, Tak To <ta...@alum.mit.eduxx>
wrote:
> On 10/9/2019 5:06 PM, charles wrote:
> > In article <l1bspehor7qcs44ug...@4ax.com>,
> > Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/JdEAAOSwvbZdgRSa/s-l640.jpg
>
> which is essentially a shaving brush with a thick hollowed-
> out handle that holds a small canister of shaving gel/soap.
> One twists a wheel at the bottom of the canister to push the
> gel out to the middle of the brush. I liked the product but
> it was discontinued.
>
> I had very good experience with the heated lather dispensers
> that I found in health clubs.
Which is just an attempt to imitate what automatically comes with a
brush wetted with hot water.
> Nowadays I shower in the evening and use an electric razor
> in the morning.
>
--
John Varela
wrote:
> On 10/9/2019 5:06 PM, charles wrote:
> > In article <l1bspehor7qcs44ug...@4ax.com>,
> > Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 11:29:56 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >>> On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 3:35:28 AM UTC-4, RH Draney wrote:
> >>>> On 10/8/2019 3:56 PM, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> But probably not in the food item "Chicken Kiev".
> >>>>
> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >>> On Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 3:35:28 AM UTC-4, RH Draney wrote:
> >>>> On 10/8/2019 3:56 PM, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> But probably not in the food item "Chicken Kiev".
> >>>>
> >>>> Which joins "Burma Shave" and "siamese cat" as old names that remain the
> >>>> same despite the name of the underlying place being changed in all the
> >>>> official records....
> >>>
> >>>> same despite the name of the underlying place being changed in all the
> >>>> official records....
> >>>
> >>> Any reason to suppose that Burma-Shave still exists? Its sign sequences
> >>> were on the highways we traversed in Upstate New York, New England, and
> >>> maybe eastern Canada in the early 1960s. But Interstates don't allow
> >>> advertising signs.
> >>>
> >
> >>> were on the highways we traversed in Upstate New York, New England, and
> >>> maybe eastern Canada in the early 1960s. But Interstates don't allow
> >>> advertising signs.
> >>>
> >
> >> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available. (It
> >> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
> >> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
> >> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
> >> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
> >> the face.
> >
> >
> > I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far better
> > than an aerosol
>
> Gillette used to have a product called Brush Plus
> >> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
> >> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
> >> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
> >> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
> >> the face.
> >
> >
> > I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far better
> > than an aerosol
>
> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/JdEAAOSwvbZdgRSa/s-l640.jpg
>
> which is essentially a shaving brush with a thick hollowed-
> out handle that holds a small canister of shaving gel/soap.
> One twists a wheel at the bottom of the canister to push the
> gel out to the middle of the brush. I liked the product but
> it was discontinued.
>
> I had very good experience with the heated lather dispensers
> that I found in health clubs.
Which is just an attempt to imitate what automatically comes with a
brush wetted with hot water.
> Nowadays I shower in the evening and use an electric razor
> in the morning.
>
--
John Varela
John Varela
Oct 11, 2019, 10:01:12 PM10/11/19
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On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 12:34:15 UTC, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com>
wrote:
I use Crabtree & Evelyn shaving soap that comes in a wooden bowl
with a lid. The bowl can be refilled.
--
John Varela
wrote:
with a lid. The bowl can be refilled.
--
John Varela
Joy Beeson
Oct 11, 2019, 11:32:02 PM10/11/19
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On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:00:25 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
wrote:
> better becaue I get a better lather which softens the bristles more and
> they cut better. I do used tubed stuff when away from hom, but I don't
> manage as good a shave.
I haven't found anything that works as well as wetting my face and
rubbing it with bar soap -- and I do have a shaving brush around here
somewhere.
We always gave Dad fingertip towels instead of washrags, because he
would wet them with hot water and steam his face before shaving.
My beard isn't as tough as his was.
--
Joy Beeson, U.S.A., mostly central Hoosier,
some Northern Indiana, Upstate New York, Florida, and Hawaii
joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.
wrote:
> better becaue I get a better lather which softens the bristles more and
> they cut better. I do used tubed stuff when away from hom, but I don't
> manage as good a shave.
rubbing it with bar soap -- and I do have a shaving brush around here
somewhere.
We always gave Dad fingertip towels instead of washrags, because he
would wet them with hot water and steam his face before shaving.
My beard isn't as tough as his was.
--
Joy Beeson, U.S.A., mostly central Hoosier,
some Northern Indiana, Upstate New York, Florida, and Hawaii
joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.
CDB
Oct 12, 2019, 5:58:59 AM10/12/19
to
On 10/10/2019 5:58 PM, Quinn C wrote:
> * CDB:
face and apply a washcloth soaked with water from the 'hot' tap to the
whiskery area for ten or fifteen seconds before I begin making lather
for the shaving-foam.
I don't know if that would take you too long, given your need for speed,
but I am usually free to potter.
> * CDB:
>> Quinn C wrote:
>>> * charles:
>>>> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available.
>>>>> (It isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came
>>>>> in a tube (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the
>>>>> 1920s, men used a shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a
>>>>> shaving brush. The brush was wetted, swirled around on the
>>>>> soap cake, and the suds were brushed on the face.
>>>> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's
>>>> far better than an aerosol
>>> Better how? I'm curious.
>> Not in a wasteful aerosol container.
> That's a good reason, but I feel it wasn't the subject of discussion
> above.
>> I use the tubed stuff myself, mixed in my palm with handmade
>> soapsuds and sometimes a little spit.
> I should try that. I don't think I'll change to a method that
> requires a brush as long as every minutes counts in the morning (on
> workdays.)
Let me mention a preliminary step that I had omitted, then. I soap my
>>> * charles:
>>>> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available.
>>>>> (It isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came
>>>>> in a tube (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the
>>>>> 1920s, men used a shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a
>>>>> shaving brush. The brush was wetted, swirled around on the
>>>>> soap cake, and the suds were brushed on the face.
>>>> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's
>>>> far better than an aerosol
>>> Better how? I'm curious.
>> Not in a wasteful aerosol container.
> That's a good reason, but I feel it wasn't the subject of discussion
> above.
>> I use the tubed stuff myself, mixed in my palm with handmade
>> soapsuds and sometimes a little spit.
> I should try that. I don't think I'll change to a method that
> requires a brush as long as every minutes counts in the morning (on
> workdays.)
face and apply a washcloth soaked with water from the 'hot' tap to the
whiskery area for ten or fifteen seconds before I begin making lather
for the shaving-foam.
I don't know if that would take you too long, given your need for speed,
but I am usually free to potter.
CDB
Oct 12, 2019, 5:59:16 AM10/12/19
to
On 10/10/2019 1:00 PM, charles wrote:
purpose for it -- a good sandwich, a good man (one shares society's
purpose, or God's), a good beating.
One of my purposes, of general application, is not to create more
garbage than I have to. I suppose, from that standpoint, I should pick
a method that doesn't require me to throw away a tube every few months.
> CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Quinn C wrote:
>>> * charles:
>>>> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available.
>>>>> (It isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in
>>>>> a tube (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s,
>>>>> men used a shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush.
>>>>> The brush was wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the
>>>>> suds were brushed on the face.
>>>> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far
>>>> better than an aerosol
>>> Better how? I'm curious.
>> Not in a wasteful aerosol container. I use the tubed stuff myself,
>> mixed in my palm with handmade soapsuds and sometimes a little spit.
> better becaue I get a better lather which softens the bristles more and
> they cut better. I do used tubed stuff when away from hom, but I don't
> manage as good a shave.
IMO, something is good in someone's view if it fulfills that person's
>> Quinn C wrote:
>>> * charles:
>>>> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available.
>>>>> (It isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in
>>>>> a tube (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s,
>>>>> men used a shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush.
>>>>> The brush was wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the
>>>>> suds were brushed on the face.
>>>> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far
>>>> better than an aerosol
>>> Better how? I'm curious.
>> Not in a wasteful aerosol container. I use the tubed stuff myself,
>> mixed in my palm with handmade soapsuds and sometimes a little spit.
> better becaue I get a better lather which softens the bristles more and
> they cut better. I do used tubed stuff when away from hom, but I don't
> manage as good a shave.
purpose for it -- a good sandwich, a good man (one shares society's
purpose, or God's), a good beating.
One of my purposes, of general application, is not to create more
garbage than I have to. I suppose, from that standpoint, I should pick
a method that doesn't require me to throw away a tube every few months.
Kerr-Mudd,John
Oct 12, 2019, 7:28:58 AM10/12/19
to
On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 03:31:59 GMT, Joy Beeson
<jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:00:25 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> better becaue I get a better lather which softens the bristles more
and
>> they cut better. I do used tubed stuff when away from hom, but I don't
>> manage as good a shave.
>
> I haven't found anything that works as well as wetting my face and
> rubbing it with bar soap -- and I do have a shaving brush around here
> somewhere.
>
> We always gave Dad fingertip towels instead of washrags, because he
UKE a flannel; regardless of base material used in its manufacture.
<jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:00:25 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> better becaue I get a better lather which softens the bristles more
and
>> they cut better. I do used tubed stuff when away from hom, but I don't
>> manage as good a shave.
>
> I haven't found anything that works as well as wetting my face and
> rubbing it with bar soap -- and I do have a shaving brush around here
> somewhere.
>
> We always gave Dad fingertip towels instead of washrags, because he
> would wet them with hot water and steam his face before shaving.
>
> My beard isn't as tough as his was.
>
--
Paul Wolff
Oct 12, 2019, 7:48:53 AM10/12/19
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On Sat, 12 Oct 2019, at 11:28:56, "Kerr-Mudd,John"
<nots...@invalid.org> posted:
<nots...@invalid.org> posted:
>On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 03:31:59 GMT, Joy Beeson
><jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:00:25 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> better becaue I get a better lather which softens the bristles more
>and
>>> they cut better. I do used tubed stuff when away from hom, but I don't
>>> manage as good a shave.
>>
>> I haven't found anything that works as well as wetting my face and
>> rubbing it with bar soap -- and I do have a shaving brush around here
>> somewhere.
>>
>> We always gave Dad fingertip towels instead of washrags, because he
>
>UKE a flannel; regardless of base material used in its manufacture.
Really? I read 'fingertip towel' as 'finger-stall' made of towelling.
><jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:00:25 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> better becaue I get a better lather which softens the bristles more
>and
>>> they cut better. I do used tubed stuff when away from hom, but I don't
>>> manage as good a shave.
>>
>> I haven't found anything that works as well as wetting my face and
>> rubbing it with bar soap -- and I do have a shaving brush around here
>> somewhere.
>>
>> We always gave Dad fingertip towels instead of washrags, because he
>
>UKE a flannel; regardless of base material used in its manufacture.
>
>> would wet them with hot water and steam his face before shaving.
>>
>> My beard isn't as tough as his was.
>>
>
>
>
--
Paul
>> would wet them with hot water and steam his face before shaving.
>>
>> My beard isn't as tough as his was.
>>
>
>
>
--
Tony Cooper
Oct 12, 2019, 9:22:00 AM10/12/19
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On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 11:28:56 -0000 (UTC), "Kerr-Mudd,John"
<nots...@invalid.org> wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 03:31:59 GMT, Joy Beeson
><jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:00:25 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> better becaue I get a better lather which softens the bristles more
>and
>>> they cut better. I do used tubed stuff when away from hom, but I don't
>>> manage as good a shave.
>>
>> I haven't found anything that works as well as wetting my face and
>> rubbing it with bar soap -- and I do have a shaving brush around here
>> somewhere.
>>
>> We always gave Dad fingertip towels instead of washrags, because he
>
>UKE a flannel; regardless of base material used in its manufacture.
>
What I've found is the "flannel" is UK-speak for "wash cloth or face
<nots...@invalid.org> wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 03:31:59 GMT, Joy Beeson
><jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:00:25 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> better becaue I get a better lather which softens the bristles more
>and
>>> they cut better. I do used tubed stuff when away from hom, but I don't
>>> manage as good a shave.
>>
>> I haven't found anything that works as well as wetting my face and
>> rubbing it with bar soap -- and I do have a shaving brush around here
>> somewhere.
>>
>> We always gave Dad fingertip towels instead of washrags, because he
>
>UKE a flannel; regardless of base material used in its manufacture.
>
cloth" (AKA: washrag in the US). But a towel is a towel. A
"fingertip towel" would be a small towel and what we might call a
"hand towel". Found in the guest bathroom.
the Omrud
Oct 12, 2019, 10:20:56 AM10/12/19
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On 12/10/2019 14:21, Tony Cooper wrote:
> What I've found is the "flannel" is UK-speak for "wash cloth or face
> cloth" (AKA: washrag in the US). But a towel is a towel. A
> "fingertip towel" would be a small towel and what we might call a
> "hand towel". Found in the guest bathroom.
I've never heard of a fingertip towel. Hand towel is the normal UK term.
> What I've found is the "flannel" is UK-speak for "wash cloth or face
> cloth" (AKA: washrag in the US). But a towel is a towel. A
> "fingertip towel" would be a small towel and what we might call a
> "hand towel". Found in the guest bathroom.
--
David
Quinn C
Oct 12, 2019, 11:03:56 AM10/12/19
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* Kerr-Mudd,John:
> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 03:31:59 GMT, Joy Beeson
> <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:00:25 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> better becaue I get a better lather which softens the bristles more
> and
>>> they cut better. I do used tubed stuff when away from hom, but I don't
>>> manage as good a shave.
>>
>> I haven't found anything that works as well as wetting my face and
>> rubbing it with bar soap -- and I do have a shaving brush around here
>> somewhere.
>>
>> We always gave Dad fingertip towels instead of washrags, because he
>
> UKE a flannel; regardless of base material used in its manufacture.
I hadn't heard of a fingertip towel before, and imagined it to be about
10 cm square from the name.
I can't think of a word in my mother tongue for a towel smaller than a
hand towel. I guess you can tell that we didn't have them at home. If
I've ever talked about one, I probably just called it "small".
--
Failover worked - the system failed, then it was over.
(freely translated from a remark by Dietz Proepper
in de.alt.sysadmin.recovery)
> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 03:31:59 GMT, Joy Beeson
> <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:00:25 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> better becaue I get a better lather which softens the bristles more
> and
>>> they cut better. I do used tubed stuff when away from hom, but I don't
>>> manage as good a shave.
>>
>> I haven't found anything that works as well as wetting my face and
>> rubbing it with bar soap -- and I do have a shaving brush around here
>> somewhere.
>>
>> We always gave Dad fingertip towels instead of washrags, because he
>
> UKE a flannel; regardless of base material used in its manufacture.
10 cm square from the name.
I can't think of a word in my mother tongue for a towel smaller than a
hand towel. I guess you can tell that we didn't have them at home. If
I've ever talked about one, I probably just called it "small".
--
Failover worked - the system failed, then it was over.
(freely translated from a remark by Dietz Proepper
in de.alt.sysadmin.recovery)
Kerr-Mudd,John
Oct 12, 2019, 12:26:39 PM10/12/19
to
On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:03:56 GMT, Quinn C
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
> * Kerr-Mudd,John:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 03:31:59 GMT, Joy Beeson
>> <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:00:25 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> better becaue I get a better lather which softens the bristles more
>> and
>>>> they cut better. I do used tubed stuff when away from hom, but I
don't
>>>> manage as good a shave.
>>>
>>> I haven't found anything that works as well as wetting my face and
>>> rubbing it with bar soap -- and I do have a shaving brush around here
>>> somewhere.
>>>
>>> We always gave Dad fingertip towels instead of washrags, because he
>>
>> UKE a flannel; regardless of base material used in its manufacture.
>
> I hadn't heard of a fingertip towel before, and imagined it to be about
> 10 cm square from the name.
>
> I can't think of a word in my mother tongue for a towel smaller than a
> hand towel. I guess you can tell that we didn't have them at home. If
> I've ever talked about one, I probably just called it "small".
>
Hankie? Towel That Is Too Small To Be Any Good?
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
> * Kerr-Mudd,John:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 03:31:59 GMT, Joy Beeson
>> <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:00:25 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> better becaue I get a better lather which softens the bristles more
>> and
>>>> they cut better. I do used tubed stuff when away from hom, but I
don't
>>>> manage as good a shave.
>>>
>>> I haven't found anything that works as well as wetting my face and
>>> rubbing it with bar soap -- and I do have a shaving brush around here
>>> somewhere.
>>>
>>> We always gave Dad fingertip towels instead of washrags, because he
>>
>> UKE a flannel; regardless of base material used in its manufacture.
>
> I hadn't heard of a fingertip towel before, and imagined it to be about
> 10 cm square from the name.
>
> I can't think of a word in my mother tongue for a towel smaller than a
> hand towel. I guess you can tell that we didn't have them at home. If
> I've ever talked about one, I probably just called it "small".
>
But if it's used by soaking and applying heat to a beard, then pshurely
it's not a towel? (IMO a towel is for drying oneself post-ablution).
(Go on you lot, tell me the '?' should be after the close bracket).
Tak To
Oct 12, 2019, 12:35:34 PM10/12/19
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>> Nowadays I shower in the evening and use an electric razor
>> in the morning.
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Tak To ta...@alum.mit.eduxx
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[taode takto ~{LU5B~}] NB: trim the xx to get my real email addr
Tony Cooper
Oct 12, 2019, 5:08:23 PM10/12/19
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On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:20:54 +0100, the Omrud <usenet...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Maybe it's so-called because your wife says "Don't put a fingertip on
that towel in the guest bathroom!". Wives are prone to put out fancy
towels in the guest bathroom before guests arrive, but they are not to
be sullied by members of the family.
When the guests leave, the regular, tatty, hand towels are put back in
place.
wrote:
that towel in the guest bathroom!". Wives are prone to put out fancy
towels in the guest bathroom before guests arrive, but they are not to
be sullied by members of the family.
When the guests leave, the regular, tatty, hand towels are put back in
place.
Joy Beeson
Oct 12, 2019, 11:33:30 PM10/12/19
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On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 12:44:25 +0100, Paul Wolff
<boun...@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk> wrote:
> Really? I read 'fingertip towel' as 'finger-stall' made of towelling.
A "fingertip towel" was a guest towel as wide as a washrag and half
<boun...@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk> wrote:
> Really? I read 'fingertip towel' as 'finger-stall' made of towelling.
again as long.
I don't recall having heard the term in half a century or so. I think
that the name came from the idea that such a towel was only good for
drying after you'd dipped your fingertips in a finger bowl.
(I presume that people who used finger bowls dried their hands on
linen dinner napkins -- which were bigger than fingertip towels, but
not as thick. I have some of those, carefully rolled on a tube, but
I'm not old enough to remember using them.)
I *think* the idea was that one would put out a stack of fingertip
towels to be used only once each, like paper towels today. We
peasants would put out one hand towel for everybody, even when
throwing a fancy party, but fingertip towels were readily available,
so there must have been a lot of people who wanted bigger washrags.
Tony Cooper
Oct 12, 2019, 11:56:17 PM10/12/19
to
On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 23:33:25 -0400, Joy Beeson
<jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 12:44:25 +0100, Paul Wolff
><boun...@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Really? I read 'fingertip towel' as 'finger-stall' made of towelling.
>
>A "fingertip towel" was a guest towel as wide as a washrag and half
>again as long.
>
>I don't recall having heard the term in half a century or so. I think
>that the name came from the idea that such a towel was only good for
>drying after you'd dipped your fingertips in a finger bowl.
>
>(I presume that people who used finger bowls dried their hands on
>linen dinner napkins -- which were bigger than fingertip towels, but
>not as thick. I have some of those, carefully rolled on a tube, but
>I'm not old enough to remember using them.)
>
>I *think* the idea was that one would put out a stack of fingertip
>towels to be used only once each, like paper towels today. We
>peasants would put out one hand towel for everybody, even when
>throwing a fancy party, but fingertip towels were readily available,
>so there must have been a lot of people who wanted bigger washrags.
I notice you refer to face cloths as "washrags". So do I, but I'm
<jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 12:44:25 +0100, Paul Wolff
><boun...@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Really? I read 'fingertip towel' as 'finger-stall' made of towelling.
>
>A "fingertip towel" was a guest towel as wide as a washrag and half
>again as long.
>
>I don't recall having heard the term in half a century or so. I think
>that the name came from the idea that such a towel was only good for
>drying after you'd dipped your fingertips in a finger bowl.
>
>(I presume that people who used finger bowls dried their hands on
>linen dinner napkins -- which were bigger than fingertip towels, but
>not as thick. I have some of those, carefully rolled on a tube, but
>I'm not old enough to remember using them.)
>
>I *think* the idea was that one would put out a stack of fingertip
>towels to be used only once each, like paper towels today. We
>peasants would put out one hand towel for everybody, even when
>throwing a fancy party, but fingertip towels were readily available,
>so there must have been a lot of people who wanted bigger washrags.
also a Hoosier. I've had people laugh at me for using that term.
While I don't any longer, I used to collect sterling silver flatware.
I've been in many antique shops and "junque" shops looking to fill out
patterns of sterling.
Just about any antique store will have some sterling flatware, but I
don't remember ever seeing a finger bowl. Maybe those were in the
dish section and sold as dessert bowls or very small soup bowls.
Jerry Friedman
Oct 12, 2019, 11:58:18 PM10/12/19
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On 10/12/19 8:20 AM, the Omrud wrote:
> On 12/10/2019 14:21, Tony Cooper wrote:
>
>> What I've found is the "flannel" is UK-speak for "wash cloth or face
>> cloth" (AKA: washrag in the US). But a towel is a towel. A
>> "fingertip towel" would be a small towel and what we might call a
>> "hand towel". Found in the guest bathroom.
>
> I've never heard of a fingertip towel.
Me neither.
> On 12/10/2019 14:21, Tony Cooper wrote:
>
>> What I've found is the "flannel" is UK-speak for "wash cloth or face
>> cloth" (AKA: washrag in the US). But a towel is a towel. A
>> "fingertip towel" would be a small towel and what we might call a
>> "hand towel". Found in the guest bathroom.
>
> I've never heard of a fingertip towel.
> Hand towel is the normal UK term.
bath décor! A finger towel, which I'm assuming is the same thing as a
fingertip towel, is 11 by 18 inches. A hand towel is 16 to 18 inches by
28 to 30 inches.
https://www.hunker.com/13411397/what-is-the-difference-between-a-hand-towel-a-fingertip-towel
By the way, a bath sheet is a kind of towel. The things you learn...
--
Jerry Friedman
Jerry Friedman
Oct 13, 2019, 12:02:01 AM10/13/19
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On 10/12/19 10:26 AM, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:03:56 GMT, Quinn C
> <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>
>> * Kerr-Mudd,John:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 03:31:59 GMT, Joy Beeson
>>> <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:00:25 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> better becaue I get a better lather which softens the bristles more
>>> and
>>>>> they cut better. I do used tubed stuff when away from hom, but I
> don't
>>>>> manage as good a shave.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't found anything that works as well as wetting my face and
>>>> rubbing it with bar soap -- and I do have a shaving brush around here
>>>> somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> We always gave Dad fingertip towels instead of washrags, because he
>>>
>>> UKE a flannel; regardless of base material used in its manufacture.
>>
>> I hadn't heard of a fingertip towel before, and imagined it to be about
>> 10 cm square from the name.
>>
>> I can't think of a word in my mother tongue for a towel smaller than a
>> hand towel. I guess you can tell that we didn't have them at home. If
>> I've ever talked about one, I probably just called it "small".
>>
> Hankie? Towel That Is Too Small To Be Any Good?
Washcloths are very decorative, though, when on top of a stack of
> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:03:56 GMT, Quinn C
> <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>
>> * Kerr-Mudd,John:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 03:31:59 GMT, Joy Beeson
>>> <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:00:25 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> better becaue I get a better lather which softens the bristles more
>>> and
>>>>> they cut better. I do used tubed stuff when away from hom, but I
> don't
>>>>> manage as good a shave.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't found anything that works as well as wetting my face and
>>>> rubbing it with bar soap -- and I do have a shaving brush around here
>>>> somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> We always gave Dad fingertip towels instead of washrags, because he
>>>
>>> UKE a flannel; regardless of base material used in its manufacture.
>>
>> I hadn't heard of a fingertip towel before, and imagined it to be about
>> 10 cm square from the name.
>>
>> I can't think of a word in my mother tongue for a towel smaller than a
>> hand towel. I guess you can tell that we didn't have them at home. If
>> I've ever talked about one, I probably just called it "small".
>>
> Hankie? Towel That Is Too Small To Be Any Good?
matching towels of different sizes. Or so some people think.
(/Pace/ Joy, my idea of a "washrag" is an actual rag torn or cut from
something worn out.)
> But if it's used by soaking and applying heat to a beard, then pshurely
> it's not a towel? (IMO a towel is for drying oneself post-ablution).
mine is.
> (Go on you lot, tell me the '?' should be after the close bracket).
--
Jerry Friedman
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 13, 2019, 9:04:04 AM10/13/19
to
with his sexist attitudes.
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 13, 2019, 9:06:08 AM10/13/19
to
On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 11:56:17 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> I notice you refer to face cloths as "washrags". So do I, but I'm
> also a Hoosier. I've had people laugh at me for using that term.
Non-tatty non-Hoosier people say "washcloth."
> I notice you refer to face cloths as "washrags". So do I, but I'm
> also a Hoosier. I've had people laugh at me for using that term.
> While I don't any longer, I used to collect sterling silver flatware.
> I've been in many antique shops and "junque" shops looking to fill out
> patterns of sterling.
>
> Just about any antique store will have some sterling flatware, but I
> don't remember ever seeing a finger bowl. Maybe those were in the
> dish section and sold as dessert bowls or very small soup bowls.
Tony Cooper
Oct 13, 2019, 10:20:14 AM10/13/19
to
relationship, your "wife" could be male or you could be the "wife".
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 13, 2019, 1:16:43 PM10/13/19
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Can he really be so oblivious that he has never encountered a news
story mentioning Mayor Pete's *husband*, not "wife"?
Sam Plusnet
Oct 13, 2019, 1:44:25 PM10/13/19
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that they think stocking both china and silverware is against their
principles, so introducing a distinction between china and silver here
seems pointless.
--
Sam Plusnet
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 13, 2019, 4:02:33 PM10/13/19
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pieces in relation to finger bowls.
Quinn C
Oct 13, 2019, 4:07:02 PM10/13/19
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* Tony Cooper:
It really fascinates you that a small minority of gay couples maybe use
that word, doesn't it?
To them, you might well be a "bitch".
--
The lack of any sense of play between them worried Miles. You
had to have a keen sense of humor to do sex and stay sane.
-- L. McMaster Bujold, Memory
that word, doesn't it?
To them, you might well be a "bitch".
--
The lack of any sense of play between them worried Miles. You
had to have a keen sense of humor to do sex and stay sane.
-- L. McMaster Bujold, Memory
Quinn C
Oct 13, 2019, 4:11:16 PM10/13/19
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* CDB:
I almost always shave right after stepping out of the shower, so I
think I'll consider that done.
--
If Helen Keller is alone in the forest and falls down, does she
make a sound?
think I'll consider that done.
--
If Helen Keller is alone in the forest and falls down, does she
make a sound?
Quinn C
Oct 13, 2019, 4:12:47 PM10/13/19
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* John Varela:
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 15:11:43 UTC, CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> apply, and there's no mess on my hands to be rinsed off before I
> pick up the razor.
I wouldn't even call it a "mess" if all it takes to get rid of is
running warm water over it for a few seconds. And I don't feel the need
to dry my hands before picking up the razor.
--
... while there are people who are consecrated, chronic
assholes--like Donald Trump for example, or General Patton--
it's a condition that all of us are liable to.
-- Geoffrey Nunberg, 2012 interview
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 15:11:43 UTC, CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/9/2019 5:54 PM, Quinn C wrote:
>>> * charles:
>>>> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available.
>>>>> (It isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in
>>>>> a tube (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s,
>>>>> men used a shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush.
>>>>> The brush was wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the
>>>>> suds were brushed on the face.
>>
>>>> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far
>>>> better than an aerosol
>>
>>> Better how? I'm curious.
>>
>> Not in a wasteful aerosol container. I use the tubed stuff myself,
>> On 10/9/2019 5:54 PM, Quinn C wrote:
>>> * charles:
>>>> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available.
>>>>> (It isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in
>>>>> a tube (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s,
>>>>> men used a shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush.
>>>>> The brush was wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the
>>>>> suds were brushed on the face.
>>
>>>> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far
>>>> better than an aerosol
>>
>>> Better how? I'm curious.
>>
>> mixed in my palm with handmade soapsuds and sometimes a little spit.
>
> Also it's warm. With a brush it's easier to apply, it's faster to
>
> apply, and there's no mess on my hands to be rinsed off before I
> pick up the razor.
I wouldn't even call it a "mess" if all it takes to get rid of is
running warm water over it for a few seconds. And I don't feel the need
to dry my hands before picking up the razor.
--
... while there are people who are consecrated, chronic
assholes--like Donald Trump for example, or General Patton--
it's a condition that all of us are liable to.
-- Geoffrey Nunberg, 2012 interview
Quinn C
Oct 13, 2019, 4:17:21 PM10/13/19
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* occam:
> On 09/10/2019 23:54, Quinn C wrote:
>> * charles:
>>
>>> In article <l1bspehor7qcs44ug...@4ax.com>,
> supermarkets. No staying power.
Just as an observation, it took me a few seconds to determine what kind
of "cream" you meant. I've never seen aerosol hand cream, for example.
So English is missing a specific word for dairy cream like German has.
It doesn't help that I haven't bought that kind of thing in many years.
I even went to the trouble of whipping it up without a machine before
resorting to that ...
--
What Phrenzy in my Bosom rag'd,
And by what Care to be asswag'd?
-- Sappho, transl. Addison (1711)
> On 09/10/2019 23:54, Quinn C wrote:
>> * charles:
>>
>>> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available. (It
>>>> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
>>>> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
>>>> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
>>>> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
>>>> the face.
>>>
>>> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far better
>>> than an aerosol
>>
>> Better how? I'm curious.
>
> The aerosol foam I tried reminded me of aerosol creams one buys in
>>>
>>>> Most men today wouldn't buy Burma-Shave if it was available. (It
>>>> isn't) Burma-Shave was a brushless shave cream that came in a tube
>>>> (like toothpaste). When it was introduced in the 1920s, men used a
>>>> shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. The brush was
>>>> wetted, swirled around on the soap cake, and the suds were brushed on
>>>> the face.
>>>
>>> I use shaving soap in a mug-like cup and a shaving brush. It's far better
>>> than an aerosol
>>
>> Better how? I'm curious.
>
> supermarkets. No staying power.
Just as an observation, it took me a few seconds to determine what kind
of "cream" you meant. I've never seen aerosol hand cream, for example.
So English is missing a specific word for dairy cream like German has.
It doesn't help that I haven't bought that kind of thing in many years.
I even went to the trouble of whipping it up without a machine before
resorting to that ...
--
What Phrenzy in my Bosom rag'd,
And by what Care to be asswag'd?
-- Sappho, transl. Addison (1711)
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 13, 2019, 4:23:28 PM10/13/19
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On Sunday, October 13, 2019 at 4:07:02 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> * Tony Cooper:
> > On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 06:04:01 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> > <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 5:08:23 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >>> When the guests leave, the regular, tatty, hand towels are put back in
> >>> place.
> >>So he's bringing his tatty Anglomania with him to the condo. Along
> >>with his sexist attitudes.
> > You are assuming that "wife" indicates gender. If you were in a
> > relationship, your "wife" could be male or you could be the "wife".
>
> It really fascinates you that a small minority of gay couples maybe use
> that word, doesn't it?
Any of them seriously?
> * Tony Cooper:
> > On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 06:04:01 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> > <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 5:08:23 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >>> When the guests leave, the regular, tatty, hand towels are put back in
> >>> place.
> >>So he's bringing his tatty Anglomania with him to the condo. Along
> >>with his sexist attitudes.
> > You are assuming that "wife" indicates gender. If you were in a
> > relationship, your "wife" could be male or you could be the "wife".
>
> It really fascinates you that a small minority of gay couples maybe use
> that word, doesn't it?
Which might have changed since 2003 (wasn't that the beginning of same-
sex marriage) anyway.
> To them, you might well be a "bitch".
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 13, 2019, 4:26:21 PM10/13/19
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occam's sentence was odd to that extent.
Except in the collective sense: "On her makeup table was an assortment
of lotions and creams."
The irrelevant candies are irrelevant.
bil...@shaw.ca
Oct 13, 2019, 4:30:57 PM10/13/19
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and court rulings in several provinces, including B.C., made it legal
there first. Vancouver, which already had a reputation for
being gay-friendly, had a temporary tourism boom as U.S. gay couples
took their vacations here to get married.
bill
Peter T. Daniels
Oct 13, 2019, 4:45:40 PM10/13/19
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already a very traditional honeymoon site (and the view from the
Canadian side is much nicer than the view from the US side). Then
Massachusetts became the first state to legalize, which probably
hurt Ontario's tourist trade a bit.
One pair of friends went to NF and a year later they celebrated their
60th anniversary -- and their 1st wedding anniversary.
Another pair of friends did so, and had a second wedding ceremony
in their Village loft (they say Chelsea, but it's on the _south_
side of 14th St.) with, IIRC, both a minister and a rabbi.
Mayor Bloomberg officiated at NYC's first same-sex wedding, when the
Speaker of the City Council married her "long-time companion." Both
she and the current Speaker, the third gay incumbent in a row (and
he's single, guys!) are leading candidates to succeed De Blasio in
2021. (The term limits obscenity, dontcha know. Fortunately Giuliani
was too stupid to figure out how to get around it, but Bloomberg
managed to and was reelected twice.)
Tony Cooper
Oct 13, 2019, 5:33:30 PM10/13/19
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because the owner of the shop didn't recognize that they were finger
bowls and put them with the miscellaneous chinaware.
A china set is recognizable as a set because of the pattern. The
finger bowl would not necessarily be of that pattern, so it would be
just a small bowl and put with the miscellaneous.
Paul Wolff
Oct 13, 2019, 6:28:17 PM10/13/19
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On Sun, 13 Oct 2019, at 16:11:29, Quinn C
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> posted:
I always dry myself on emerging from the shower. Otherwise I feel cold.
But my shaving habits are not really relevant to English usage.
--
Paul
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> posted:
But my shaving habits are not really relevant to English usage.
--
Paul
Paul Wolff
Oct 13, 2019, 6:38:17 PM10/13/19
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On Sun, 13 Oct 2019, at 16:17:33, Quinn C
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> posted:
In English, 'cream' is dairy cream by default, but the word has been
hijacked by purveyors of many colourless gels having lubricious
properties. For better or for worse, we don't have Reinheitsgebot
regulations on the subject.
--
Paul
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> posted:
hijacked by purveyors of many colourless gels having lubricious
properties. For better or for worse, we don't have Reinheitsgebot
regulations on the subject.
--
Paul
Paul Wolff
Oct 13, 2019, 6:47:39 PM10/13/19
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On Sun, 13 Oct 2019, at 16:07:15, Quinn C
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> posted:
minority usages. Not having an official censor claiming authority over
the language must surely help. But most English speakers will tolerate,
or more likely ignore, these minority usages until they become common
enough to merit attention. Here in a.u.e, at the cutting edge, we may
show interest.
--
Paul
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> posted:
>* Tony Cooper:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 06:04:01 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 5:08:23 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:20:54 +0100, the Omrud <usenet...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >I've never heard of a fingertip towel. Hand towel is the normal UK term.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it's so-called because your wife says "Don't put a fingertip on
>>>> that towel in the guest bathroom!". Wives are prone to put out fancy
>>>> towels in the guest bathroom before guests arrive, but they are not to
>>>> be sullied by members of the family.
>>>>
>>>> When the guests leave, the regular, tatty, hand towels are put back in
>>>> place.
>>>
>>>So he's bringing his tatty Anglomania with him to the condo. Along
>>>with his sexist attitudes.
>>
>> You are assuming that "wife" indicates gender. If you were in a
>> relationship, your "wife" could be male or you could be the "wife".
>
>It really fascinates you that a small minority of gay couples maybe use
>that word, doesn't it?
>
I wonder if it's true that English is particularly accommodative of
>
>> On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 06:04:01 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 5:08:23 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:20:54 +0100, the Omrud <usenet...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >I've never heard of a fingertip towel. Hand towel is the normal UK term.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it's so-called because your wife says "Don't put a fingertip on
>>>> that towel in the guest bathroom!". Wives are prone to put out fancy
>>>> towels in the guest bathroom before guests arrive, but they are not to
>>>> be sullied by members of the family.
>>>>
>>>> When the guests leave, the regular, tatty, hand towels are put back in
>>>> place.
>>>
>>>So he's bringing his tatty Anglomania with him to the condo. Along
>>>with his sexist attitudes.
>>
>> You are assuming that "wife" indicates gender. If you were in a
>> relationship, your "wife" could be male or you could be the "wife".
>
>It really fascinates you that a small minority of gay couples maybe use
>that word, doesn't it?
>
minority usages. Not having an official censor claiming authority over
the language must surely help. But most English speakers will tolerate,
or more likely ignore, these minority usages until they become common
enough to merit attention. Here in a.u.e, at the cutting edge, we may
show interest.
--
Paul
Tony Cooper
Oct 13, 2019, 7:43:22 PM10/13/19
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On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 16:07:15 -0400, Quinn C
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>* Tony Cooper:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 06:04:01 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 5:08:23 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:20:54 +0100, the Omrud <usenet...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >I've never heard of a fingertip towel. Hand towel is the normal UK term.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it's so-called because your wife says "Don't put a fingertip on
>>>> that towel in the guest bathroom!". Wives are prone to put out fancy
>>>> towels in the guest bathroom before guests arrive, but they are not to
>>>> be sullied by members of the family.
>>>>
>>>> When the guests leave, the regular, tatty, hand towels are put back in
>>>> place.
>>>
>>>So he's bringing his tatty Anglomania with him to the condo. Along
>>>with his sexist attitudes.
>>
>> You are assuming that "wife" indicates gender. If you were in a
>> relationship, your "wife" could be male or you could be the "wife".
>
>It really fascinates you that a small minority of gay couples maybe use
>that word, doesn't it?
>
I wouldn't describe my interest as "fascinating". It's more a matter
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>* Tony Cooper:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 06:04:01 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 5:08:23 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:20:54 +0100, the Omrud <usenet...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >I've never heard of a fingertip towel. Hand towel is the normal UK term.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it's so-called because your wife says "Don't put a fingertip on
>>>> that towel in the guest bathroom!". Wives are prone to put out fancy
>>>> towels in the guest bathroom before guests arrive, but they are not to
>>>> be sullied by members of the family.
>>>>
>>>> When the guests leave, the regular, tatty, hand towels are put back in
>>>> place.
>>>
>>>So he's bringing his tatty Anglomania with him to the condo. Along
>>>with his sexist attitudes.
>>
>> You are assuming that "wife" indicates gender. If you were in a
>> relationship, your "wife" could be male or you could be the "wife".
>
>It really fascinates you that a small minority of gay couples maybe use
>that word, doesn't it?
>
of the subject being completely out of my area of experience.
I don't socialize with any gay people or gay couples. Not because of
any prejudice or bias, but because my social life just doesn't include
any gay people or gay couples. I don't come into social contact with
any, and it's not something where I want to recruit anyone just to say
I do socialize with some. At my age, my social circle has been
established for several years and I have no interest in expanding it.
Death and divorce are shrinking the circle as it is.
I do have contact with some gay people (some that I'm not aware of as
being gay, I'm sure), but subjects like "What do you call your
partner?" don't come up in the conversation. It's not something that
I'd consider to be polite to ask.
When you refer to a "small minority", you are employing some
experience or knowledge that I don't have. I wouldn't know if the
person I'm chatting with is part of the majority or minority.
I don't know why I'm supposed to be au courant with all the right
terms. It's not like this is a subject that comes up in conversations
I have with people. I don't want to offend people by using the wrong
terms, but I don't think they should be offended if I do.
You, in your posts, bring up subject matter that no one else that I'm
around ever would. Frankly, sometimes it's TMI.
>To them, you might well be a "bitch".
Tony Cooper
Oct 13, 2019, 7:46:33 PM10/13/19
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Sherry and a few brands of Irish Cream liqueur.
Kerr-Mudd,John
Oct 14, 2019, 4:30:34 AM10/14/19
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water that I wasn't able to wash the whole hand, so I've never thought
about the savings possible by investing in finger-specific
[ablutary?|ablutionary?] kit.
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
bil...@shaw.ca
Oct 14, 2019, 4:57:10 AM10/14/19
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the dinner table. One or two fingers get sticky, you rinse them in
the finger bowl that's on the table, which may or may not have
rose petals floating in it, and then you dry them with whatever
you decide to call that very small towel we were discussing.
bill
Adam Funk
Oct 14, 2019, 7:30:13 AM10/14/19
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other as "my husband" & members of female-female marriages as "my
wife".
--
books by the blameless and by the dead
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