Chuff - what does it mean ?

[Bill Bixby]

I'm reading a book and the author mentions several times
that a dog "chuffs". What does this word mean? I've
looked in the dictionary, but I'm not really satisfied
with the explanation.

[Michael B. Quinion]

In article: <jzeroDM...@netcom.com> jz...@netcom.com (Bill Bixby)
writes:

I would immediately assume that the writer was describing the breathy
bark made by some large dogs. The analogy is with the 'chuff' of a
steam locomotive.

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[Peter Garston]

jz...@netcom.com (Bill Bixby) wrote:
>
>I'm reading a book and the author mentions several times
>that a dog "chuffs". What does this word mean?

When I lived in Manchester about 40 years ago, in my peer group we used
"chuffed" to mean pleased or happy : I'm right chuffed. I've also heard
that in other regions it's got (had ??) a more vulgar meaning. I don't
know if either meaning could apply to a dog. I'm not sure that this
helps at all, but

Regards,

PeterG.

[Nancy J. Gill]

Bill Bixby (jz...@netcom.com) writes:
> I'm reading a book and the author mentions several times

> that a dog "chuffs". What does this word mean? I've
> looked in the dictionary, but I'm not really satisfied
> with the explanation.

Big cats (lions & tigers, oh my) will greet one another--and humans
they are "fond" of--with a noise somewhere between a growl, a cough and
a sneeze. I have heard keepers describe that as "chuffing."

--
Nancy J. Gill (njg...@ix.netcom.com)
Alameda, CA--Oligarchs "R" Us

Those who corrupt the public mind are just as evil
as those who steal from the public purse.
Adlai E[wing] Stevenson 1900-1965
Speech at Albuquerque, New Mexico
[September 12,1952]

[Roger M. Vance]

njg...@ix.netcom.com(Nancy J. Gill )writes: ">"

> Bill Bixby (jz...@netcom.com) writes: ">>"

> > I'm reading a book and the author mentions several times
> > that a dog "chuffs". What does this word mean? I've
> > looked in the dictionary, but I'm not really satisfied
> > with the explanation.

> Big cats (lions & tigers, oh my) will greet one another--
> and humans they are "fond" of--with a noise somewhere
> between a growl, a cough and a sneeze. I have heard
> keepers describe that as "chuffing."

RHUD2 gives (in part):
--v.i. 2. to emit or proceed with chuffs:
*The train chuffed along.* [1910-1915; imit.]

The same dictionary also glosses "yipe," but curiously
overlooks even more common dog words. For example:

bff = It doesn't count as barking if
my mouth is shut.

kack = I can't swallow this golf ball.

Roger Vance
2/2/96

[Mark Odegard]

Three year old boys are the most trustingly precious
creatures on earth. They chuff when you help them. It's
not that the don't trust you, it's just as a generic
adult, they dont' know you. They simply trust you. That's
what make's it precious. They are puppies.

[they argue with their mothers]

--
Mark Odegard mlo...@nyc.pipeline.com
who has seven chuffy puppy nephews.

[Lee Rudolph]

jz...@netcom.com (Bill Bixby) writes:

> How does a dog make a "puffing" sound? By
> going puff, puff, puff? :)

Oh, dear, not another one of these PETA threads about beagles
testing cigarettes.

Lee Rudolph

[Bernard Morey]

Peter Garston <Peter....@supaero.fr> writes:

>jz...@netcom.com (Bill Bixby) wrote:
>>
>>I'm reading a book and the author mentions several times

>>that a dog "chuffs". What does this word mean?

>When I lived in Manchester about 40 years ago, in my peer group we used
>"chuffed" to mean pleased or happy : I'm right chuffed. I've also heard
>that in other regions it's got (had ??) a more vulgar meaning. I don't
>know if either meaning could apply to a dog. I'm not sure that this
>helps at all, but

This is a common-ish expression for Australians of Anglo-Saxon origin. "He
was real chuffed" meaning he was pretty pleased with himself or something.
--
___________________
Bernie Morey
Melbourne
bmo...@melbourne.dialix.oz.au

[Cerebus The Aardvark]

av...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Judith Puddy) writes:

>Bill Bixby (jz...@netcom.com) writes:
>> av...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Judith Puddy) writes:

>>
>>
>> | Bill Bixby (jz...@netcom.com) writes:
>> | > I'm reading a book and the author mentions several times

>> | > that a dog "chuffs". What does this word mean? I've
>> | > looked in the dictionary, but I'm not really satisfied
>> | > with the explanation.
>>

>> | My dictionary says "to make a regular sharp puffing sound."
>> | Works for me.
>>
>> | Judy

>>
>> How does a dog make a "puffing" sound? By
>> going puff, puff, puff? :)

>Cripes! Use your imagination!!

A dog chuff is that sound a dog makes that almost sounds like he might be
thinking about barking, but the bark ends up in his nose instead of his
mouth. Not all dogs I've known make it, but most do. I find it a pleasing
sound, myself. Our dog does it quite often, including in his sleep.

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[alan auerbach F]

Primatologists refer to a common sound made by baboons as a
chuff-bark.

--
Al.

[Sparrow]

I have heard the word used to mean "pass wind". Could this have been an
especially flatulent dog?

============== Spug (Sparrow) London.==========================

[Wendell Cochran]

'For variety of invective,' John Moore says in _You English Words_ (1962,
Lippincott), '[Sir Thomas Urquhart] would be hard to beat. Here are some
of the rude names which he gave to the "beastly looking fellows" who were
warned on no account to set foot in the Abbey . . . base snites, curst
snakes, seeming Sancts, pelf-lickers, slipshod cafards, smell-feast
knockers, doltish gulls, out-strouting cluster-fists, coin-gripers,
niggist deformed sots, Pluto's bastards, chichie sneakbill rogues and fat
chuff-cats. . . . I see a chuff-cat as both plump and mean: a horrible
combination.'

Wendell Cochran
West Seattle

[Monte Haun]

Sylvia Plath is quoted " an engine, an engine / Chuffing me off like a
Jew" appearently referring to a locomotive. A dog will sometimes chuff
when its startled but not repeatedly. monte haun

[kmcn...@gmail.com]

With my boys it simply means “ahem!”

[soup]

On 20/10/2018 20:43, kmcn...@gmail.com wrote:
> With my boys it simply means “ahem!”

Really depends on context/geography/rudeness .

CAN mean :-

A Vagina
"Her jeans where so tight you could see her chuff"

Behind
" He is driving too close, he is right up my chuff.

Noise a steam train makes
"It pulled out of the station with a chuff-chuff "


Passing gas
" He let out an almighty (and very smelly) chuff"
etc, etc, etc....

[Paul Carmichael]

On 21/10/2018 12:07, soup wrote:
> On 20/10/2018 20:43, kmcn...@gmail.com wrote:
>> With my boys it simply means “ahem!”
>
>  Really depends on context/geography/rudeness .
>
> CAN mean :-
>
> A Vagina
>    "Her jeans where so tight you could see her chuff"

So tight she turned inside out so her vagina was on the outside.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/
https://asetrad.org

[soup]

On 21/10/2018 11:31, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> On 21/10/2018 12:07, soup wrote:
>> On 20/10/2018 20:43, kmcn...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> With my boys it simply means “ahem!”
>>
>>   Really depends on context/geography/rudeness .
>>
>> CAN mean :-
>>
>> A Vagina
>>     "Her jeans where so tight you could see her chuff"
>
> So tight she turned inside out so her vagina was on the outside.

OK Labia majora then (as we are being pedantic).
C.F. Cameltoe


I know Vagina (sheath/scabbard) is actually the 'tunnel' from the Vulva
to the Cervix but I think you will find 99% of people refer to the
visible parts of a ladies 'front bottom' as the "Vagina".

[Paul Carmichael]

On 21/10/2018 12:40, soup wrote:

> I know Vagina (sheath/scabbard) is actually the 'tunnel' from the Vulva
> to the Cervix but I think you will find 99% of people refer to the
> visible parts of a ladies 'front bottom' as the "Vagina".

Really? I didn't know that.

[Janet]

In article <g337ns...@mid.individual.net>, wibble...@gmail.com
says...

>
> On 21/10/2018 12:40, soup wrote:
>
> > I know Vagina (sheath/scabbard) is actually the 'tunnel' from the Vulva
> > to the Cervix but I think you will find 99% of people refer to the
> > visible parts of a ladies 'front bottom' as the "Vagina".
>
> Really? I didn't know that.

Neither did 99% of women.

Janet

[Paul Carmichael]

Actually, in the real world, I've hardly ever heard ladies' bits referred to using
anything other than "pet names", such as fanny, twat, pussy, chichi etc. I'm actually
quite sure that I've also never heard them referred to as "chuff". That's always meant
anus in my dialect. "Muff" is sometimes to be heard, as in "muff diving" (cunnilingus).

[musika]

On 21/10/2018 13:13, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> Actually, in the real world, I've hardly ever heard ladies' bits
> referred to using anything other than "pet names", such as fanny, twat,
> pussy, chichi etc. I'm actually quite sure that I've also never heard

> them referred to as "chuff". That's always meant anus in my dialect...
>
Indeed. "Tight as a gnat's chuff" was a common expression.

--
Ray
UK

[occam]

:-). To mean what exactly? Tight as in 'stingy' or as in 'uptight'?

[HVS]

On 21 Oct 2018, occam wrote

I'd be chuffed if "chuff" can be used as a verb.

--
Cheers, Harvey
CanEng (30yrs) and BrEng (35yrs),
indiscriminately mixed

[musika]

Stingy.

--
Ray
UK

[Colonel Edmund J. Burke]

On 10/20/2018 12:43 PM, kmcn...@gmail.com wrote:
> With my boys it simply means “ahem!”
>

Why doncha google it, ya dumb cunt?

[Peter Young]

The former, Shirley.

Peter.

--
Peter Young, (BrE, RP), Consultant Anaesthetist, 1975-2004.
(US equivalent: Certified Anesthesiologist) (AUE Au)
Cheltenham and Gloucester, UK. Now happily retired.
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk

[Madrigal Gurneyhalt]

On Sunday, 21 October 2018 15:58:30 UTC+1, HVS wrote:
> On 21 Oct 2018, occam wrote
>
> > On 21/10/2018 14:28, musika wrote:
> >> On 21/10/2018 13:13, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> >>> Actually, in the real world, I've hardly ever heard ladies' bits
> >>> referred to using anything other than "pet names", such as fanny,
> >>> twat, pussy, chichi etc. I'm actually quite sure that I've also never
> >>> heard them referred to as "chuff". That's always meant anus in my
> >>> dialect...
> >> Indeed. "Tight as a gnat's chuff" was a common expression.
> >>
> >
> >:-). To mean what exactly? Tight as in 'stingy' or as in 'uptight'?
>
> I'd be chuffed if "chuff" can be used as a verb.
>

Then be chuffed, dear boy!

[Mack A. Damia]

On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 15:58:27 +0100, HVS <off...@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 21 Oct 2018, occam wrote
>
>> On 21/10/2018 14:28, musika wrote:
>>> On 21/10/2018 13:13, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>> Actually, in the real world, I've hardly ever heard ladies' bits
>>>> referred to using anything other than "pet names", such as fanny,
>>>> twat, pussy, chichi etc. I'm actually quite sure that I've also never
>>>> heard them referred to as "chuff". That's always meant anus in my
>>>> dialect...
>>> Indeed. "Tight as a gnat's chuff" was a common expression.
>>>
>>
>>:-). To mean what exactly? Tight as in 'stingy' or as in 'uptight'?
>
>I'd be chuffed if "chuff" can be used as a verb.

Ten years ago, I asked a local website for my hometown in Lancashire
about the location of my grandma's tripe shop. I got quite a bit of
information from various sources including a photograph or two.

One of the members said, "He should be well-chuffed by now......."

I took it to mean, "satisfied", "content". "Stuffed"?

[Janet]

In article <ihdpsd118dtbt0qb0...@4ax.com>,
drstee...@yahoo.com says...

pleased

Janet

[Sam Plusnet]

Don't worry.

Some nice chap is bound come along and explain it to you.


--
Sam Plusnet

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

Some women (and men) will have come across the phrase "designer vagina".
It refers to cosmetic surgery in that area.
https://www.harleymedical.co.uk/experts-surgeons/articles/what-is-designer-vagina-all-your-questions-answered

What is Designer Vagina? All Your Questions Answered

Cosmetic Surgery has steadily increased in popularity over the
years, with procedures that were once seen as taboo now commonly
requested. Cosmetic Gynaecology (more commonly, and misleadingly,
known as Designer Vagina) is the collective term for any Cosmetic
Surgical procedure performed on the vagina, of which there are
multiple.

The term "Designer Vagina" actually refers to procedures undertaken
purely for cosmetic reasons but is often misused (due to a lack of
terminology) to refer to medical procedures.

<snip details of various procedures including on the labia>

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 15:58:27 +0100, HVS <off...@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 21 Oct 2018, occam wrote
>
>> On 21/10/2018 14:28, musika wrote:
>>> On 21/10/2018 13:13, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>> Actually, in the real world, I've hardly ever heard ladies' bits
>>>> referred to using anything other than "pet names", such as fanny,
>>>> twat, pussy, chichi etc. I'm actually quite sure that I've also never
>>>> heard them referred to as "chuff". That's always meant anus in my
>>>> dialect...
>>> Indeed. "Tight as a gnat's chuff" was a common expression.
>>>
>>
>>:-). To mean what exactly? Tight as in 'stingy' or as in 'uptight'?
>
>I'd be chuffed if "chuff" can be used as a verb.

The exclamation "Chuffing hell!" auggests there is a verb "chuff" from
which "chuffing" derives. ;-)

[Janet]

In article <l0rpsdhm64huda7un...@4ax.com>,
ma...@peterduncanson.net says...

>
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 13:06:06 +0100, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <g337ns...@mid.individual.net>, wibble...@gmail.com
> >says...
> >>
> >> On 21/10/2018 12:40, soup wrote:
> >>
> >> > I know Vagina (sheath/scabbard) is actually the 'tunnel' from the Vulva
> >> > to the Cervix but I think you will find 99% of people refer to the
> >> > visible parts of a ladies 'front bottom' as the "Vagina".
> >>
> >> Really? I didn't know that.
> >
> > Neither did 99% of women.
> >
> > Janet
>
> Some women (and men) will have come across the phrase "designer vagina".
> It refers to cosmetic surgery in that area.
> https://www.harleymedical.co.uk/experts-surgeons/articles/what-is-
designer-vagina-all-your-questions-answered

That site makes the same distinction between vagina and labia that 99%
of their owners do.

Janet.

[bill van]

The original "chuff", if I'm not mistaken, was the sound of a steam engine
or locomotive, regular puffing sounds punctuated by clicks as the
train crossed seams in the rails and bridges.

Steam engines are gone for the most part, and it seems that Brits
have adopted "chuff" to mean various insults and/or body parts.
It was a verb, as in "the train came chuffing down the line".

In my corner of North America the word is not used at all, and I had to
look it up to confirm its origins and its more recent uses.

bill

[Tony Cooper]

The word "chuffed" appears quite frequently in novels set in the UK
where Brits are speaking. The only meaning - which is clear from
context - that I have seen is happy, proud, or pleased.

Perhaps I don't read the sort of novels in which "chuff" is used to
mean a body part or used as an insult.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

[bill van]

You don't need to read novels for that. You can get it from posts by
Brits upthread.

bill

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

Yes.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/chuffed

chuffed
adjective
British
informal

predicative Very pleased.
‘I'm dead chuffed to have won’

Origin
1950s: from dialect chuff ‘plump or pleased’.

More recent is:
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/dischuffed

dischuffed
adjective
British
informal

Dissatisfied, disgruntled, ill-humoured; not at all pleased.

Origin
1970s. From dis- + chuffed, after e.g. disgruntled, dissatisfied.

>
>Perhaps I don't read the sort of novels in which "chuff" is used to
>mean a body part or used as an insult.

--

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

It does. But my understanding is that in non-technical chat "Designer
Vagina" is used to mean Female genital cosmetic surgery incuding work on
the labia.
As this says:
https://www.virginmediatelevision.ie/xpose/article/lifestyle/252715/What-is-a-designer-vagina-and-why-do-more-and-more-women-want-them

What does the treatment entail?

So-called ‘designer vaginas’ are created through a variety of either
surgical or non-surgical treatments, mostly performed privately.
Female genital cosmetic surgery (FGCS) changes the structure and
appearance of women’s external or internal genitalia. The Royal
College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists (RCOG) says the most
common FGCS procedure is labiaplasty, which reduces the size of the
labia minora – the flaps of skin on either side of the vaginal
opening.

[Janet]

In article <ujnqsdp226gd7ckuu...@4ax.com>, tonycooper214
@invalid.com says...

That use was common in north England childhood and I still use it and
hear it used that way, mostly by older people and northerners.

Janet

[Madrigal Gurneyhalt]

On Monday, 22 October 2018 04:15:49 UTC+1, bill van wrote:
> On 2018-10-21 21:22:58 +0000, Peter Duncanson [BrE] said:
>
> > On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 15:58:27 +0100, HVS <off...@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 21 Oct 2018, occam wrote
> >>
> >>> On 21/10/2018 14:28, musika wrote:
> >>>> On 21/10/2018 13:13, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> >>>>> Actually, in the real world, I've hardly ever heard ladies' bits
> >>>>> referred to using anything other than "pet names", such as fanny,
> >>>>> twat, pussy, chichi etc. I'm actually quite sure that I've also never
> >>>>> heard them referred to as "chuff". That's always meant anus in my
> >>>>> dialect...
> >>>> Indeed. "Tight as a gnat's chuff" was a common expression.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> :-). To mean what exactly? Tight as in 'stingy' or as in 'uptight'?
> >>
> >> I'd be chuffed if "chuff" can be used as a verb.
> >
> > The exclamation "Chuffing hell!" auggests there is a verb "chuff" from
> > which "chuffing" derives. ;-)
>
> The original "chuff", if I'm not mistaken, was the sound of a steam engine
> or locomotive, regular puffing sounds punctuated by clicks as the
> train crossed seams in the rails and bridges.

I regret to report that you are mistaken. Really, quite horrifically
so. This meaning was the very last to be added, in fact.
>

[Janet]

In article <6a8rsdpa88pc5go0a...@4ax.com>,
ma...@peterduncanson.net says...

> So-called ?designer vaginas? are created through a variety of either

> surgical or non-surgical treatments, mostly performed privately.
> Female genital cosmetic surgery (FGCS) changes the structure and

> appearance of women?s external or internal genitalia. The Royal

> College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists (RCOG) says the most
> common FGCS procedure is labiaplasty, which reduces the size of the

> labia minora ? the flaps of skin on either side of the vaginal
> opening.


I think " so-called" 'designer vagina', is a term of convenience (and
ignorance) used only in and by the media. Not by the women concerned or
their doctors.

It's like "designer dogs", a familiar media term I've never heard used
by the owners of such dogs.

Janet

[Peter T. Daniels]

What about restoration after FGM? That seems a far more legitimate use.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Maybe some Americans aren't recognizing that the phrase is made of two
rhyming words in many BrE dialects, a popular way of inventing popular
phrases in commercial and other settings.

> It's like "designer dogs", a familiar media term I've never heard used
> by the owners of such dogs.

An unfortunate one as well. A bit insulting, no?

[Madrigal Gurneyhalt]

Yes of course it's insulting. True dog lovers rightly pour contempt
on people who pay vast amounts of money on hybrids that in the
past would have simply been seen as crossbreeds or mongrels.
Cockapoo, for pity's sake! Shouldn't that be a parrot? Strange,
isn't it that in all this 'designing' nobody has yet thought of
combining a bulldog and a shih tzu, despite the appropriateness
of such a response to the pretensions!

[Paul Carmichael]

"Chuffing hell" comes from "fucking hell". In polite company.

[Paul Carmichael]

On 21/10/2018 18:25, Peter Young wrote:
> On 21 Oct 2018 occam <oc...@invalid.nix> wrote:
>
>> On 21/10/2018 14:28, musika wrote:
>>> On 21/10/2018 13:13, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>> Actually, in the real world, I've hardly ever heard ladies' bits
>>>> referred to using anything other than "pet names", such as fanny,
>>>> twat, pussy, chichi etc. I'm actually quite sure that I've also never
>>>> heard them referred to as "chuff". That's always meant anus in my
>>>> dialect...
>>> Indeed. "Tight as a gnat's chuff" was a common expression.
>>>
>
>> :-). To mean what exactly? Tight as in 'stingy' or as in 'uptight'?
>
> The former, Shirley.

Obviously both. A bit like "high as a kite" for "stoned".

[charles]

In article <g35tu8...@mid.individual.net>,

all this had led me to look in my Caseels Dictionary of Slang.

Chuffed = "very pleased" is a 1950s exprssion of military origin.

Chuff = boorish or rude is a 15th C derisive term

Chuff = buttocks or anus is a 1940s term

Chuff = fuck - 20th C mainly in North of england

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

[Madhu]

* charles <574afcda...@candehope.me.uk> :
Wrote on Mon, 22 Oct 2018 14:06:37 +0100:

And from the online 1811 Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue, by Captain
Grose etc.

CHUFFY. Round-faced, chubby.

%

[Tony Cooper]

Yes, I saw those posts. My point was that I have never seen it used
to mean an insult or body part in the hundreds of British novels I've
read over the years. Authors generally incorporate the vocabulary in
ordinary use, so I think that these meanings may exist in print in
some reference work but are not in the general vocabulary.

I can leaf through a US dictionary of slang and find words with
meanings that I've never heard of and will never see or hear in
anyone's usage. They might be slang usages that have gone out with
powdered wigs or used by some outlier group.

The fact that someone in this group can uncover a word with a meaning
I've not heard of is not an indication of any real world usage.

[CDB]

On 10/22/2018 7:16 AM, Janet wrote:
> ma...@peterduncanson.net says...
>> Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
>>> ma...@peterduncanson.net says...

[Mulva, Regina -- you choose]

>>>> Some women (and men) will have come across the phrase "designer
>>>> vagina". It refers to cosmetic surgery in that area.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.harleymedical.co.uk/experts-surgeons/articles/what-is-
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
designer-vagina-all-your-questions-answered

>>> That site makes the same distinction between vagina and labia
>>> that 99% of their owners do.

>> It does. But my understanding is that in non-technical chat
>> "Designer Vagina" is used to mean Female genital cosmetic surgery
>> incuding work on the labia. As this says:
>> https://www.virginmediatelevision.ie/xpose/article/lifestyle/252715/What-is-a-designer-vagina-and-why-do-more-and-more-women-want-them

>>
>>
>>
>>
What does the treatment entail?

>> So-called ?designer vaginas? are created through a variety of
>> either surgical or non-surgical treatments, mostly performed
>> privately. Female genital cosmetic surgery (FGCS) changes the
>> structure and appearance of women?s external or internal genitalia.
>> The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists (RCOG) says
>> the most common FGCS procedure is labiaplasty, which reduces the
>> size of the labia minora ? the flaps of skin on either side of the
>> vaginal opening.

> I think " so-called" 'designer vagina', is a term of convenience
> (and ignorance) used only in and by the media. Not by the women
> concerned or their doctors.

Sounds more like advertising copy. Consider the catchy rhyme.

> It's like "designer dogs", a familiar media term I've never heard
> used by the owners of such dogs.

My brother has a bespoke doodle (Labra-) that I get along with very
well. He's not as much of an individual as my dogs were, because Bro's
first priority is obedience, but he's still a lively, cheerful fellow.
I don't think he would be insulted by the term "designer", as someone
has suggested. Anyway, he was designed to be white, like both his
parents, and came out all-black.

[CDB]

On 10/22/2018 6:05 AM, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> bill van <bill...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> Peter Duncanson [BrE] said:

>> The word "chuffed" appears quite frequently in novels set in the
>> UK where Brits are speaking. The only meaning - which is clear
>> from context - that I have seen is happy, proud, or pleased.

> Yes. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/chuffed

> chuffed adjective British informal

> predicative Very pleased. ‘I'm dead chuffed to have won’

> Origin 1950s: from dialect chuff ‘plump or pleased’.

> More recent is:
> https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/dischuffed

> dischuffed adjective British informal

> Dissatisfied, disgruntled, ill-humoured; not at all pleased.

> Origin 1970s. From dis- + chuffed, after e.g. disgruntled,
> dissatisfied.

>> Perhaps I don't read the sort of novels in which "chuff" is used
>> to mean a body part or used as an insult.

The word seems to have been used as a sound-effect too, as was suggested
early in this thread: "[called urgently away from his breakfast reading]
'Chuff chuff Pauline, what's the matter?' said the Brigadier to his wife
...".

https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/drugs-made-pauline-vague/

(Unless it's a chewing sound, of course.)

As a sound connnected with throat-clearing, it might have come to stand
for "ahem", and so for some impolite words. Put me boot right up 'is
ahem, Missus.

[Katy Jennison]

On 22/10/2018 06:25, Tony Cooper wrote:

>
> The word "chuffed" appears quite frequently in novels set in the UK
> where Brits are speaking. The only meaning - which is clear from
> context - that I have seen is happy, proud, or pleased.
>
> Perhaps I don't read the sort of novels in which "chuff" is used to
> mean a body part or used as an insult.
>

I don't either, and I'd never heard of it used that way until this
thread. Aue, the antidote to a sheltered life.

--
Katy Jennison

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 14:40:25 GMT, Katy Jennison
<ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com> wrote:

[]

> thread. Aue, the antidote to a sheltered life.
>

You might like to think that, I couldn't possibly comment.

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

And I thought it was a type of bird.

>
> And from the online 1811 Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue, by Captain
> Grose etc.
>
> CHUFFY. Round-faced, chubby.
>
> %
>

f=b?

[Madrigal Gurneyhalt]

As it is, but spelt chough!

[Bart Dinnissen]

On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 15:40:25 +0100, in alt.usage.english Katy Jennison <ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com>
wrote:

Thank you! I tend to forget that the world is made of real people, instead of just messages,
sentences, insults and punctuation marks.

--
Bart Dinnissen

[bill van]

You haven't done your homework on this one. It took me ten seconds
to spell shih tzu correctly, and then three more to find plenty of
references in a google search, including many images, of
shih tzu-bulldog crossbreeds.

bill

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

Exactly.

[RHDraney]

On 10/22/2018 10:07 AM, Madrigal Gurneyhalt wrote:
> On Monday, 22 October 2018 17:59:43 UTC+1, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 13:59:19 GMT, Madhu <eno...@meer.net> wrote:
>>
>>> * charles <574afcda...@candehope.me.uk> :
>>> Wrote on Mon, 22 Oct 2018 14:06:37 +0100:
>>>>

>>>> Chuffed = "very pleased" is a 1950s exprssion of military origin.
>>>>
>>>> Chuff = boorish or rude is a 15th C derisive term
>>>>
>>>> Chuff = buttocks or anus is a 1940s term
>>>>
>>>> Chuff = fuck - 20th C mainly in North of england
>>
>> And I thought it was a type of bird.
>
> As it is, but spelt chough!

It's also the onomatopoeia for an abrupt exhalation by a tiger, given as
a sort of bland acknowledgement of something that's just happened....r

[bill van]

On reflection, you're right. It seems that the various "rude fellow" usages
of "chuff" originated in the 15th or 16th century, well before the age
of steam.

bill

[RHDraney]

On 10/22/2018 4:46 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 6:14:03 AM UTC-4, PeterWD wrote:
>>
>> It does. But my understanding is that in non-technical chat "Designer
>> Vagina" is used to mean Female genital cosmetic surgery incuding work on
>> the labia.
>>

>> What does the treatment entail?
>>
>> So-called ‘designer vaginas’ are created through a variety of either
>> surgical or non-surgical treatments, mostly performed privately.
>> Female genital cosmetic surgery (FGCS) changes the structure and
>> appearance of women’s external or internal genitalia. The Royal
>> College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists (RCOG) says the most
>> common FGCS procedure is labiaplasty, which reduces the size of the
>> labia minora – the flaps of skin on either side of the vaginal
>> opening.
>
> What about restoration after FGM? That seems a far more legitimate use.

Or maybe just grinding down the teeth a bit....r

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

It is used by at least one women concerned. I'm not suggesting she is
typical.
Gemma Collins of the TV show "The Only Way is Essex":
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/news/a34478/gemma-collins-promotes-designer-vagina-towie/

The reality star was filmed getting a bikini wax in the show, and it
was during that she spilled details of the cosmetic surgery she
underwent, presumably to 'neaten up' her labia.

"I actually pride myself, I'm mega-confident, because I know I've
got a designer vagina," she told co-star Bobby Norris -who's hardly
shy about getting his own genitals out - while in the throes of her
painful-looking hair removal treatment.

"I've never told you this, but I paid £2000 and my vagina is perfect
now," she said. Before adding the final nail in the
irresponsible-message coffin: "It looks like something you see in a
movie."

"Designer Vagina" is obviously a non-technical colloquialism, however,
it seems to be sufficiently common that it is used by at least some
clinics when advertising their services.

MYA Cosmetic Surgery:
https://www.mya.co.uk/designer-vagina/

Vaginal cosmetic surgery is becoming increasingly popular for women
of all ages in the UK. Vaginal surgery has been commonly described
in the media as a “Designer Vagina”, but women undergo vaginal
surgery for various different reasons. Often it is because women are
dissatisfied with their genital appearance or would like to increase
their sexual experience.

Labiaplasty

There are three main types of designer vagina surgery; labiaplasty,
vaginal tightening and pubic mound liposuction. The aim of labia
reduction is to reduce the excess tissue of the labial minora (inner
skin which protrudes outside of the vaginal outer skin) thus
creating a neater, more symmetrical appearance to the area. Labia
surgery should last between 30 and 60 minutes under local or general
anaesthetic with an option of a day case or overnight stay. This
will be discussed with your surgeon based on your personal
preference and on a case by case basis.

Vaginal Tightening
....

Pubic Mound Liposuction

Pubic liposuction is the surgical procedure which removes unwanted
fatty tissue from the pubic mound (the area of skin covering the
front of the pubic bone).

>
>It's like "designer dogs", a familiar media term I've never heard used
>by the owners of such dogs.
>
> Janet

[Madrigal Gurneyhalt]

I can't help feeling you've rather missed the point!

[bill van]

Your point was perfectly clear and did not need further comment.
But your rant was diminished by your lack of research.

As the leading cheap-shot nitpicker in the group, who
never misses a chance to pounce on the errors of other posters,
you should learn to take it as well as dish it out.

bill

[Sam Plusnet]

No no.

Mr Gurneyhalt doesn't enjoy pouncing on other posters - as evidenced
earlier in this very thread.

"I regret to report that you are mistaken."

See? He just hates it.


--
Sam Plusnet

[Bob Martin]

in 2528673 20181022 114446 Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:

>> The word "chuffed" appears quite frequently in novels set in the UK
>> where Brits are speaking. The only meaning - which is clear from
>> context - that I have seen is happy, proud, or pleased.
>

>That use was common in north England childhood and I still use it and
>hear it used that way, mostly by older people and northerners.
>

RAF National Servicemen in the 1950s referred to their 'chuff factor',
defined as 'time done over time-to-do'.

[occam]

That is yet another meaning, not mentioned so far. It does not mean
"well pleased" nor does it have anything to do with a gnat's bottom.

What worries me about the expression is that the ratio seems to tend
towards infinity, as time left to serve inevitably approaches zero. Was
this ever discussed in the RAF officers quarters? Was it meant to be a
measure of pending happiness?

[occam]

Wait till Mr. Aman shows up and comments on your generous use of commas.
<just kidding>

[soup]

On 22/10/2018 17:59, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:

>
> And I thought it was a type of bird.
>

Nah that's a chough (mind you I suppose if spelt incorrectly ...)

[Quinn C]

* soup:

> On 22/10/2018 17:59, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
>
>> And I thought it was a type of bird.
>
> Nah that's a chough (mind you I suppose if spelt incorrectly ...)

What's in a name? A tshuf by any spelling would sound the same.

In this case: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kTrDyfKKrc>

--
Certain writers assert very decidedly that no pronouns are
needed beyond those we already possess, but this is simply a
dogmatic opinion, unsupported by the facts.
-- Findlay (OH) Jeffersonian (1875)

[soup]

On 23/10/2018 13:47, Quinn C wrote:
> * soup:
>> On 22/10/2018 17:59, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
>>> And I thought it was a type of bird.
>> Nah that's a chough (mind you I suppose if spelt incorrectly ...)
> What's in a name? A tshuf by any spelling would sound the same.
> In this case: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kTrDyfKKrc>

Vous plaisantez sûrement que c'est en français

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 12:47:36 GMT, Quinn C
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:

> * soup:
>
>> On 22/10/2018 17:59, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
>>
>>> And I thought it was a type of bird.
>>
>> Nah that's a chough (mind you I suppose if spelt incorrectly ...)
>
> What's in a name? A tshuf by any spelling would sound the same.
>
> In this case: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kTrDyfKKrc>
>

Perdink dink dunk donk. Call that a tune?

[Madrigal Gurneyhalt]

This more your style?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yZSM4_-sgA

[Quinn C]

* Kerr-Mudd,John:

Complaints to the original creator, please:

Mr Alpine Chough
Le Puy Vacher
Bessas, Ardčche

--
... English-speaking people have managed to get along a good many
centuries with the present supply of pronouns; ... It is so old and
venerable an argument ... it's equivalent was used when gas, railways
and steamboats were proposed. -- Findlay (OH) Jeffersonian (1875)

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

I prefer the classics; such as "Walk on By"

[bill van]

Wait at the corner.

bill

[Snidely]

Just this Tuesday, Kerr-Mudd,John puzzled about:

No, and I don't think it was meant to be tune (Messiaen does seem to
have tunes in some of his works, though).

But I see a touch of irony in that the "next up" link shown to me was
for Evelyn Glennie. Plink plonk thunk!

/dps "what DO they do all day?"

--
"That's a good sort of hectic, innit?"

" Very much so, and I'd recommend the haggis wontons."
-njm

[Snidely]

On Wednesday, Snidely exclaimed wildly:

> Just this Tuesday, Kerr-Mudd,John puzzled about:
>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 12:47:36 GMT, Quinn C <lispa...@crommatograph.info>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> * soup:
>>>
>>>> On 22/10/2018 17:59, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And I thought it was a type of bird.
>>>>
>>>> Nah that's a chough (mind you I suppose if spelt incorrectly ...)
>>>
>>> What's in a name? A tshuf by any spelling would sound the same.
>>>
>>> In this case: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kTrDyfKKrc>
>>>
>>
>> Perdink dink dunk donk. Call that a tune?
>
> No, and I don't think it was meant to be tune (Messiaen does seem to have
> tunes in some of his works, though).

Not an example of a tune, but an interesting aside in the M Olivier M
context:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCXxV7eDEPc&feature=youtu.be&t=230

[Snidely]

Snidely suggested that ...

> On Wednesday, Snidely exclaimed wildly:
>> Just this Tuesday, Kerr-Mudd,John puzzled about:
>>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 12:47:36 GMT, Quinn C <lispa...@crommatograph.info>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> * soup:
>>>>
>>>>> On 22/10/2018 17:59, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And I thought it was a type of bird.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah that's a chough (mind you I suppose if spelt incorrectly ...)
>>>>
>>>> What's in a name? A tshuf by any spelling would sound the same.
>>>>
>>>> In this case: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kTrDyfKKrc>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Perdink dink dunk donk. Call that a tune?
>>
>> No, and I don't think it was meant to be tune (Messiaen does seem to have
>> tunes in some of his works, though).
>
> Not an example of a tune, but an interesting aside in the M Olivier M
> context:
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCXxV7eDEPc&feature=youtu.be&t=230

[where did that send button come from?] >

>
>> But I see a touch of irony in that the "next up" link shown to me was for
>> Evelyn Glennie. Plink plonk thunk!
>>
>> /dps "what DO they do all day?"

--

But happiness cannot be pursued; it must ensue. One must have a reason
to 'be happy.'"
Viktor Frankl

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

This one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLunEsJhmy4

>
> Wait at the corner.
>
> bill
>
>

When the light's are coming on?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch_5dB1FkqY

[Steve Hayes]

On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 13:54:36 +0200, Paul Carmichael wrote:

> On 21/10/2018 12:40, soup wrote:
>
>> I know Vagina (sheath/scabbard) is actually the 'tunnel' from the Vulva
>> to the Cervix but I think you will find 99% of people refer to the
>> visible parts of a ladies 'front bottom' as the "Vagina".
>
> Really? I didn't know that.

Now that you do know it, are you chuffed?

BTW what didn't you know? That the vagina is not the vulva or that 99% of
people didn't know the difference?




--
Steve Hayes http://khanya.wordpress.com

[Steve Hayes]

On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 22:19:05 +0100, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 13:06:06 +0100, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <g337ns...@mid.individual.net>, wibble...@gmail.com
>>says...
>>>

>>> On 21/10/2018 12:40, soup wrote:
>>>
>>> > I know Vagina (sheath/scabbard) is actually the 'tunnel' from the
>>> > Vulva to the Cervix but I think you will find 99% of people refer to
>>> > the visible parts of a ladies 'front bottom' as the "Vagina".
>>>
>>> Really? I didn't know that.
>>

>> Neither did 99% of women.
>>
>> Janet
>
> Some women (and men) will have come across the phrase "designer vagina".
> It refers to cosmetic surgery in that area.
> https://www.harleymedical.co.uk/experts-surgeons/articles/what-is-
designer-vagina-all-your-questions-answered
>

> What is Designer Vagina? All Your Questions Answered
>
> Cosmetic Surgery has steadily increased in popularity over the
> years, with procedures that were once seen as taboo now commonly
> requested. Cosmetic Gynaecology (more commonly, and misleadingly,
> known as Designer Vagina) is the collective term for any Cosmetic
> Surgical procedure performed on the vagina, of which there are
> multiple.

I thought it was to make one's vagina "honeymoon fresh" after multiple
births.

[Paul Carmichael]

The latter.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/
https://asetrad.org

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 10:49:41 GMT, Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net>
wrote:

Please don't drone on about it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vagina_Monologues

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

That seems to be included as one of the ptocedures.

[Peter Moylan]

On 21/10/18 21:40, soup wrote:
>
> I know Vagina (sheath/scabbard) is actually the 'tunnel' from the
> Vulva to the Cervix but I think you will find 99% of people refer to
> the visible parts of a ladies 'front bottom' as the "Vagina".

Not in this newsgroup.

Which reminds me: has anyone seen Rey lately?

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

[Peter Moylan]

On 21/10/18 23:28, musika wrote:
> On 21/10/2018 13:13, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>> Actually, in the real world, I've hardly ever heard ladies' bits
>> referred to using anything other than "pet names", such as fanny,
>> twat, pussy, chichi etc. I'm actually quite sure that I've also never
>> heard them referred to as "chuff". That's always meant anus in my
>> dialect...

> Indeed. "Tight as a gnat's chuff" was a common expression.

That's usually "As tight as a fish's arse" in this neighbourhood.

(Occasionally followed by "And that's water-tight".)

[Peter Moylan]

On 23/10/18 08:39, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:

> Vaginal cosmetic surgery is becoming increasingly popular for women
> of all ages in the UK. Vaginal surgery has been commonly described
> in the media as a “Designer Vagina”, but women undergo vaginal
> surgery for various different reasons. Often it is because women are
> dissatisfied with their genital appearance or would like to increase
> their sexual experience.

The most popular operation in the past was restoration of the hymen. It
looks as if that's less requested these days.

[J. J. Lodder]

Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

> On 21/10/18 21:40, soup wrote:
> >
> > I know Vagina (sheath/scabbard) is actually the 'tunnel' from the
> > Vulva to the Cervix but I think you will find 99% of people refer to
> > the visible parts of a ladies 'front bottom' as the "Vagina".
>
> Not in this newsgroup.
>
> Which reminds me: has anyone seen Rey lately?

Last posting 15 days ago.
I fear all is not well with him,

Jan

[Paul Carmichael]

On 24/10/2018 14:18, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> On 24/10/2018 12:49, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 13:54:36 +0200, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>
>>> On 21/10/2018 12:40, soup wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know Vagina (sheath/scabbard) is actually the 'tunnel' from the Vulva
>>>> to the Cervix but I think you will find 99% of people refer to the
>>>> visible parts of a ladies 'front bottom' as the "Vagina".
>>>
>>> Really? I didn't know that.
>>
>> Now that you do know it, are you chuffed?

Incidentally, the opposite of chuffed is miffed.

[Steve Hayes]

What part of the human anatomy is a miff?

[Paul Carmichael]

On 25/10/2018 13:48, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 12:50:49 +0200, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>
>> On 24/10/2018 14:18, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>> On 24/10/2018 12:49, Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>>>> Now that you do know it, are you chuffed?
>>
>> Incidentally, the opposite of chuffed is miffed.
>
> What part of the human anatomy is a miff?
>

A glans of course!

[Quinn C]

* Peter Moylan:

> On 23/10/18 08:39, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
>
>> Vaginal cosmetic surgery is becoming increasingly popular for women
>> of all ages in the UK. Vaginal surgery has been commonly described
>> in the media as a “Designer Vagina”, but women undergo vaginal
>> surgery for various different reasons. Often it is because women are
>> dissatisfied with their genital appearance or would like to increase
>> their sexual experience.
>
> The most popular operation in the past was restoration of the hymen. It
> looks as if that's less requested these days.

I hear it is much requested by women from certain immigrant
backgrounds, and as anything that's specific to those backgrounds, it's
being made into a societal issue - whether it's actually helping or
harming the women to honor those requests.

--
The need of a personal pronoun of the singular number and common
gender is so desperate, urgent, imperative, that ... it should long
since have grown on our speech -- The Atlantic Monthly (1878)

[bill van]

On 2018-10-25 11:48:25 +0000, Steve Hayes said:

> On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 12:50:49 +0200, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>
>> On 24/10/2018 14:18, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>> On 24/10/2018 12:49, Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>>>> Now that you do know it, are you chuffed?
>>
>> Incidentally, the opposite of chuffed is miffed.
>
> What part of the human anatomy is a miff?

Probably the nose, given that in my English, when your nose is out
joint you are miffed.

bill

[Janet]

In article <pqsai8$cct$1...@dont-email.me>, haye...@telkomsa.net says...

>
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 12:50:49 +0200, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>
> > On 24/10/2018 14:18, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> >> On 24/10/2018 12:49, Steve Hayes wrote:
>
> >>> Now that you do know it, are you chuffed?
> >
> > Incidentally, the opposite of chuffed is miffed.
>
> What part of the human anatomy is a miff?

Not to be confused with midriff. Or muff.

Janet.

[Sam Plusnet]

<checks>
My nose does not appear to have any joints.
Should I be concerned?

--
Sam Plusnet

[Lewis]

Where does muffed fit in?



--
"Why do you wear that stupid bunny suit?" "Why are you wearing that
stupid man suit?"

[Peter Moylan]

On 26/10/18 12:10, Lewis wrote:
> In message <g3dlg9...@mid.individual.net> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 24/10/2018 14:18, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>> On 24/10/2018 12:49, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 13:54:36 +0200, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 21/10/2018 12:40, soup wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know Vagina (sheath/scabbard) is actually the 'tunnel' from the Vulva
>>>>>> to the Cervix but I think you will find 99% of people refer to the
>>>>>> visible parts of a ladies 'front bottom' as the "Vagina".
>>>>>
>>>>> Really? I didn't know that.
>>>>
>>>> Now that you do know it, are you chuffed?
>
>> Incidentally, the opposite of chuffed is miffed.
>
> Where does muffed fit in?

Just opposite chiffed.

[bill van]

Sorry. The idiom is "when your nose is out OF joint". I can report that
it is what people say, but I can't explain its logic.

It has been familiar to me since I learned English around 1960. It
might be becoming a bit dated or perhaps
it's regional; Google finds only about 1.3 million hits for [nose "out
of joint"].

bill

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

Better off without it; see e.g Stephen Fry.