ending an email
minimus
I am trying to find a nice word that I will end my emails with. I am in
academics and fellows mostly end an email with 'best' 'best wishes', 'kind
regards', 'best regards'...
I am fed up of these endings. I want to come up with a ending of my own
style. For some time I used 'sincerely' but I think that sounds a little
weird, too formal or something. Or it is too much sticking out.
Now I think about the word 'Friendly'. So like this:
Dear Tom,
I wrote the paper. Please have a look so that we can discuss.
Friendly,
Bill
What do you think? is this a good ending or is it stupid in some way?
What other endings do you use?
franzi
It doesn't work. Although it looks like an adverb, it's an adjective
(ignore any reference books that say otherwise).
>
> What other endings do you use?
"Regards" is polite, acceptable outside friendships, and undemanding.
Go for it.
When your correspondent is on closer terms with you, by all means make
your regards friendly or best.
I've come across "Best" on its own, which is warm without being
intimate.
--
love from franzi
Leslie Danks
[...]
> I've come across "Best" on its own, which is warm without being
> intimate.
> love from franzi
As a child, I once signed a letter with "Your fried".
Ich bleibe mit vorz�glicher Hochachtung Ihr
--
Les (BrE)
Richard Chambers
"Friendly" does not work because it is an adjective (one of a class of
adjectives fhat end in -ly). It sounds as if you think that Bill is
friendly. He probably is, but you need an adverb instead.
You could copy our own Mr Eric Walker, and end with "Cordially". On one
occasion, after we had disagreed on matters of English usage over a series
of about six postings each, he omitted the "Cordially" to me. Something to
do with rosebushes and fenceposts. However, I seem to have earned my
"Cordially" back now, so everything is back to normal. Which pleases me.
Richard Chambers Leeds UK.
Kalmia
How about just
Thanks,
as you are asking him for something. Let the closing fit the body of
the note.
I feel silly signing my personal emls - the recip obviously knows
who's writing.
About answering machines - best announcement I've ever heard: "This is
555-9999" and then the beep.... none of this can't get to the phone
bit - that lost its effect about 25 years ago.
minimus
"Richard Chambers" <richard.cham...@ntlworld.net> wrote in message
news:v9ednWrEKbR1x5nW...@brightview.co.uk...
> minimus asked
>
>> I am trying to find a nice word that I will end my emails with. I am in
>> academics and fellows mostly end an email with 'best' 'best wishes',
>> 'kind regards', 'best regards'...
>>
>> I am fed up of these endings. I want to come up with a ending of my own
>> style. For some time I used 'sincerely' but I think that sounds a little
>> weird, too formal or something. Or it is too much sticking out.
>>
>> Now I think about the word 'Friendly'. So like this:
>>
>> Dear Tom,
>>
>> I wrote the paper. Please have a look so that we can discuss.
>>
>> Friendly,
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> What do you think? is this a good ending or is it stupid in some way?
>>
>> What other endings do you use?
>
> "Friendly" does not work because it is an adjective (one of a class of
> adjectives fhat end in -ly). It sounds as if you think that Bill is
> friendly. He probably is, but you need an adverb instead.
How does then sincerely work?
tony cooper
wrote:
When I do feel the need for something, I use "Cordially". Unless, of
course, I am viciously attacking someone.
There's a guy in another newsgroup that I follow who viciously attacks
everyone. When he corrects someone, the message body is full of
personal insults. All his postings end "Best wishes".
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Mike Lyle
"Best" on its own always suggests to me that the person doesn't care
enough about me to write something that makes sense. And even if
acceptable, it's very informal.
I often write a business email exactly according to the rules for
business letters on paper; but otherwise, I almost always end with "Best
wishes". I don't think it's a good idea to try to find something
original.
--
Mike.
James Hogg
> franzi wrote:
>> I've come across "Best" on its own, which is warm without being
>> intimate.
>
> "Best" on its own always suggests to me that the person doesn't care
> enough about me to write something that makes sense. And even if
> acceptable, it's very informal.
There's a man in another newsgroup who ends every message with
"Best always".
Since he is insufferably pompous and incapable of admitting a
mistake, that ending does make sense, provided you interpret it as
"I am always best".
--
James
Cheryl
I tend to use none at all, although I use 'love' for close relatives,
and almost invariably use 'Thanks' at work, because I am almost
invariably asking someone to do something; as, in fact, you are doing here.
"Friendly" sounds very odd. A child might write "Your friend". On a
paper letter, I tend to use "Yours sincerely", but that seems too formal
for email.
--
Cheryl
franzi
greetings are referencing that same substance.
--
franzi
Evan Kirshenbaum
"Sincerely" is an adverb. As a closing, it's short for something like
Until we meet again, I remain
sincerely yours,
Bill
Over time the first part of the sentence got dropped, as did the
"yours", although it survived in "yours, truly" and is often seen by
itself. Another common closing was "your [humble and] obediant
servant", whic often got abbreviated to "y'r ob'd't".
--
Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
HP Laboratories |I like giving talks to industry,
1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |because one of the things that I've
Palo Alto, CA 94304 |found is that you really can't
|learn anything at the Harvard
kirsh...@hpl.hp.com |Business School.
(650)857-7572 | Clayton Christensen
| Harvard Business School
http://www.kirshenbaum.net/
Richard Chambers
"Sincerely" works because it is an adverb. "Friendly" does not work, because
it is an adjective. A friendly what? The ending "-ly" does not guarantee
that you have an adverb, and the word "friendly" is one such example.
Richard Chambers Leeds UK.
Joe Fineman
> I am trying to find a nice word that I will end my emails with. I am
> in academics and fellows mostly end an email with 'best' 'best
> wishes', 'kind regards', 'best regards'...
If it's a business email, I make it
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yours faithfully,
--
Joseph C. Fineman
495 Pleasant St., Apt 1 Answering machine: (781) 324-6899
Malden, MA 02148-3505 I will pick up if I am in.
E-mail: jo...@verizon.net Call ahead for fax.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If it's personal, I tailor it to the individual & the situation, and
end, as I end newsgroup postings, with a saying:
--
--- Joe Fineman jo...@verizon.net
||: With a computer, even a lowly civilian can give stupid :||
||: orders & see them obeyed. :||
Garrett Wollman
minimus <min...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>I am trying to find a nice word that I will end my emails with. I am in
>academics and fellows mostly end an email with 'best' 'best wishes', 'kind
>regards', 'best regards'...
I do not use a closing at all. I have never found a need for one, and
the email culture in which I grew up, as it were, never required or
expected either a salutation or a closing. I also don't normally use
my .signature for email, either, although I do sign them (by hand, as
it were). I do sometimes use a salutation, if I'm sending email to
someone who I don't expect to have ever hear of me.
-GAWollman
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Roland Hutchinson
> "minimus" <min...@live.co.uk> writes:
>
>> I am trying to find a nice word that I will end my emails with. I am in
>> academics and fellows mostly end an email with 'best' 'best wishes',
>> 'kind regards', 'best regards'...
>
> If it's a business email, I make it
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Yours faithfully,
> --
> Joseph C. Fineman
> 495 Pleasant St., Apt 1 Answering machine: (781) 324-6899
> Malden, MA 02148-3505 I will pick up if I am in. E-mail:
> jo...@verizon.net Call ahead for fax.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> If it's personal, I tailor it to the individual & the situation, and
> end, as I end newsgroup postings, with a saying:
Possible pondiality: I think hardly anyone (if, indeed, anyone at all) in
the US would use "Yours faithfully" even in the most formal of business
letters.
I could be wrong.
--
Roland Hutchinson
He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba,"
... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy.
--Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ )
Irwell
> In article <he1jnk$9u4$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> minimus <min...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>I am trying to find a nice word that I will end my emails with. I am in
>>academics and fellows mostly end an email with 'best' 'best wishes', 'kind
>>regards', 'best regards'...
>
I have the honour to be your most obedient humble servant
John Dean
> On Nov 18, 7:59 pm, "minimus" <mini...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am trying to find a nice word that I will end my emails with. I am
>> in academics and fellows mostly end an email with 'best' 'best
>> wishes', 'kind regards', 'best regards'...
>>
>> I am fed up of these endings. I want to come up with a ending of my
>> own style. For some time I used 'sincerely' but I think that sounds
>> a little weird, too formal or something. Or it is too much sticking
>> out.
>>
>> Now I think about the word 'Friendly'. So like this:
>>
>> Dear Tom,
>>
>> I wrote the paper. Please have a look so that we can discuss.
>>
>> Friendly,
>> Bill
>>
>> What do you think? is this a good ending or is it stupid in some way?
>
> It doesn't work. Although it looks like an adverb, it's an adjective
> (ignore any reference books that say otherwise).
Friendlily
--
John Dean
Oxford
Frank ess
Garrett Wollman wrote:
> In article <he1jnk$9u4$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> minimus <min...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I am trying to find a nice word that I will end my emails with. I
>> am in academics and fellows mostly end an email with 'best' 'best
>> wishes', 'kind regards', 'best regards'...
>
> I do not use a closing at all. I have never found a need for one,
> and the email culture in which I grew up, as it were, never
> required or expected either a salutation or a closing. I also
> don't normally use my .signature for email, either, although I do
> sign them (by hand, as it were). I do sometimes use a salutation,
> if I'm sending email to someone who I don't expect to have ever
> hear of me.
>
> -GAWollman
I don't have any problem with endings (except I don't really know what
it is I'm saying):
Cheers!
It's beginnings I stumble over. It's kind of a handshake-like gesture,
a suggestion that I'm acknowledging someone has an existence outside
whatever matter we will be getting on with once that's established.
"Hi, " seems to be the current coin; I hate it, and have settled on
"Hello, ".
Choose your own regards:
Warm Warmest Kind Kindest Best Plain None
Frank Sheffield
--
Frank ess
Reinhold {Rey} Aman
>
> minimus asked
>
>> I am trying to find a nice word that I will end my emails with.
>> I am in academics and fellows mostly end an email with 'best'
>> 'best wishes', 'kind regards', 'best regards'...
>>
>> I am fed up of these endings. I want to come up with a ending of
>> my own style. For some time I used 'sincerely' but I think that
>> sounds a little weird, too formal or something. Or it is too
>> much sticking out.
>>
>>
>> Now I think about the word 'Friendly'. So like this:
>>
>> Dear Tom,
>>
>> I wrote the paper. Please have a look so that we can discuss.
>>
>> Friendly,
>> Bill
>>
>> What do you think? is this a good ending or is it stupid in
>> some way?
It's utterly STOOPID, period. Forget it.
[...]
> You could copy our own Mr Eric Walker, and end with "Cordially".
>
Hell, no! "Wordy" Walker's "Cordially" is about as *insincere* as it
gets. It nauseates me. His *feigned cordiality* -- after having
strenuously argued with others -- reminds me of shysters who end their
letters with "Very faithfully yours" and similar repulsive insincerities
while ripping off your (financial) balls or tits.
Fraudulent and simulated politeness has no place in newsgroup-posting
sign-offs. "Cordially" screams "I'm insincere!" and sticks out like a
stinking dog turd in a bowl of milk.
With all my sincere love,
Yours most cordially, Walker-wise,
~~~ Reinhold {Rey} Aman ~~~
Eric Walker
> I am trying to find a nice word that I will end my emails with. . . .
On the strength of the "mail" portion of "email", it is reasonable to
conclude that the ordinary standards for letter closings apply, and there
are a myriad manuals that set forth those conventional standards.
Whether you are in academics or wholesale meat is immaterial: the uses of
courtesy are fairly standard. Nor is there any special need to
distinguish yourself; there is a place for ingenuity, and the set
conventions of social intercourse is not it.
--
Cordially,
Eric Walker, Owlcroft House
http://owlcroft.com/english/
Mike Barnes
>I am trying to find a nice word that I will end my emails with. I am in
>academics and fellows mostly end an email with 'best' 'best wishes', 'kind
>regards', 'best regards'...
>
>I am fed up of these endings. I want to come up with a ending of my own
>style.
So, you don't want to put what most people put. You want something
different. Something unconventional. Something that expresses *your*
personality.
And you want *us* to tell you what it is.
Hmmm.....
Minimally yours
Mike Barnes
Django Cat
Well, I like 'cheers' when emailing a colleague, but I suspect yer man
is outwith the UK.
DC
--
Django Cat
> >> "Friendly" does not work because it is an adjective (one of a
> class of >> adjectives fhat end in -ly). It sounds as if you think
> that Bill is >> friendly. He probably is, but you need an adverb
> instead.
> >
> > How does then sincerely work?
>
> "Sincerely" is an adverb. As a closing, it's short for something like
>
> Until we meet again, I remain
>
> sincerely yours,
>
> Bill
>
> Over time the first part of the sentence got dropped, as did the
> "yours"
You wouldn't ever sign off a letter 'yours sincerely'?
DC
--
Django Cat
> > I am fed up of these endings. I want to come up with a ending of my
> > own style.
>
> So, you don't want to put what most people put. You want something
> different. Something unconventional. Something that expresses your
> personality.
>
> And you want us to tell you what it is.
>
> Hmmm.....
>
> Minimally yours
> Mike Barnes
Nice.
Yours admiringly
DC
--
minimus
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What can I say, good point.
James Hogg
There you have your ending.
--
James
Evan Kirshenbaum
Probably not, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.
--
Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
HP Laboratories |There is no such thing as bad data,
1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |only data from bad homes.
Palo Alto, CA 94304
kirsh...@hpl.hp.com
(650)857-7572
Evan Kirshenbaum
Does "Your servant" in the "Pleased to meet you" slot upon being
introduced to somebody survive anywhere?
--
Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
HP Laboratories |Of course, over the first 10^-10
1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |seconds and 10^-30 cubic
Palo Alto, CA 94304 |centimeters it averages out to
|zero, but when you look in
kirsh...@hpl.hp.com |detail....
(650)857-7572 | Philip Morrison
Django Cat
> "Django Cat" <nota...@address.co.uk> writes:
>
> > Evan Kirshenbaum wrote:
> >
> >> >> "Friendly" does not work because it is an adjective (one of a
> >> class of >> adjectives fhat end in -ly). It sounds as if you think
> >> that Bill is >> friendly. He probably is, but you need an adverb
> >> instead.
> >> >
> >> > How does then sincerely work?
> >>
> >> "Sincerely" is an adverb. As a closing, it's short for something
> like >>
> >> Until we meet again, I remain
> >>
> >> sincerely yours,
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> Over time the first part of the sentence got dropped, as did the
> >> "yours"
> >
> > You wouldn't ever sign off a letter 'yours sincerely'?
>
> Probably not, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.
Standard BrE usage (or 'Yours Faithfully' if you don't know the
recipient's name, which I'd guess is transpondian). 'Sincerely'
without the 'yours' would look a tad slapdash.
Not sure about the capitalisation here - but I write 'Yours Sincerely'
with two capitals...
DC, off to Llangollen with 4 l's.
--
Liz
"minimus" wrote:
> I wrote the paper. Please have a look so that we can discuss.
>
> Friendly,
> Bill
>
>
> What do you think? is this a good ending or is it stupid in some way?
>
> What other endings do you use?
May I assume that "friendly" means "warm regards" - used between
close friends and associates? I switched to "bye now" for skype,
"love" for family members. My mother still sends me handwritten letters
ending in "stay well".
hope this helps
franzi
When people use this following, it's debatable whether they're feeling
kindly or menacing.
Take care.
--
franzi
JimboCat
> > minimus <mini...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> I am trying to find a nice word that I will end my emails with. I
> >> am in academics and fellows mostly end an email with 'best' 'best
> >> wishes', 'kind regards', 'best regards'...
>
> > I do not use a closing at all. I have never found a need for one,
> > and the email culture in which I grew up, as it were, never
> > required or expected either a salutation or a closing. I also
> > don't normally use my .signature for email, either, although I do
> > sign them (by hand, as it were). I do sometimes use a salutation,
> > if I'm sending email to someone who I don't expect to have ever
> > hear of me.
>
> > -GAWollman
>
> I don't have any problem with endings (except I don't really know what
> it is I'm saying):
>
> Cheers!
>
> It's beginnings I stumble over. It's kind of a handshake-like gesture,
> a suggestion that I'm acknowledging someone has an existence outside
> whatever matter we will be getting on with once that's established.
>
> "Hi, " seems to be the current coin; I hate it, and have settled on
> "Hello, ".
I, and those I email at work, often use "Hi <recipient>", followed by
a dash or a comma, but I think most common is just the recipient's
name (first name always: this is the USA and we're all comrades, after
all).
In you [sic - it's such a nice typo I'm leaving it] youth I toyed some
with "Gentlebeings" as a substitute for "Dear Sirs" or "To Whom it may
Concern" when the actual name and gender of the recipient(s) was
unknown. Twee, though.
Jim Deutch (JimboCat)
--
"Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your father. Prepare to die."
- The Jedi Bride (etext edition)
aquachimp
> academics and fellows mostly end an email with 'best' 'best wishes', 'kind
> regards', 'best regards'...
>
> weird, too formal or something. Or it is too much sticking out.
>
> Now I think about the word 'Friendly'. So like this:
>
> Dear Tom,
>
>
> Friendly,
No, not "Friendly" (shudders)
Happily ever after,
P.J.
John Varela
wrote:
> I am trying to find a nice word that I will end my emails with. I am in
> academics and fellows mostly end an email with 'best' 'best wishes', 'kind
> regards', 'best regards'...
I never use a closing to an email, nor did any of the people I
worked with. Closings are seldom used with news group postings,
either.
I believe it comes from how you think of email. I regard it as a
replacement for the telephone. As such, it needs no salutation or
complimentary close. If you think of email as a replacement for a
letter, then you may want to go all formal and feel the need to open
with "Dear xxxx:" and add a closing line.
You probably should conform to the customs of the people you work
with, which would mean accepting one of the closings that is common
among them.
--
John Varela
Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email
Joe Fineman
> Possible pondiality: I think hardly anyone (if, indeed, anyone at
> all) in the US would use "Yours faithfully" even in the most formal
> of business letters.
>
> I could be wrong.
You are right, but on the very verge of being wrong. I am indeed
hardly anyone, but I am someone, and I am a Yank, tho possibly
contaminated by transAtlantic reading and by a year in Britain in my
youth.
--
--- Joe Fineman jo...@verizon.net
||: One hand washes the other. ||
Skitt
> "minimus" writes:
[about closing an e-mail message]
>> How does then sincerely work?
>
> "Sincerely" is an adverb. As a closing, it's short for something like
>
> Until we meet again, I remain
>
> sincerely yours,
>
> Bill
>
> Over time the first part of the sentence got dropped, as did the
> "yours", although it survived in "yours, truly" and is often seen by
> itself. Another common closing was "your [humble and] obediant
> servant", whic often got abbreviated to "y'r ob'd't".
I don't interpret the "Sincerely" closing that way. I use it, and to me it
means that what I had written was sincere. None of that "Yours" stuff. I
don't belong to the recipient, and I don't want to imply that I do.
--
Skitt (AmE)
not yours, but sincere enough
Robert Bannister
--
Rob Bannister
Robert Bannister
>
> I do not use a closing at all. I have never found a need for one, and
> the email culture in which I grew up, as it were, never required or
> expected either a salutation or a closing.
I'm definitely with you on that. That's what I'm used to and I see no
need for anything different.
--
Rob Bannister
Roland Hutchinson
> Irwell <ho...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:35:22 +0000 (UTC), Garrett Wollman wrote:
>>
>>> In article <he1jnk$9u4$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, minimus
>>> <min...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I am trying to find a nice word that I will end my emails with. I am
>>>>in academics and fellows mostly end an email with 'best' 'best
>>>>wishes', 'kind regards', 'best regards'...
>>>
>> I have the honour to be your most obedient humble servant
>
> Does "Your servant" in the "Pleased to meet you" slot upon being
> introduced to somebody survive anywhere?
How about in the "hello/goodbye" slot -- in Bavaria and Austria
("Servus!")?
LFS
Ah, my STS for the day. Thanks, Mr B.
--
Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
Bohgosity BumaskiL
end my e-mails with something different every time from a list of favourites
gleaned from there.
_______
Xerox and Wurlitzer will merge to market reproductive organs.
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Cheryl
I never thought of it as having any particular meaning other than a
social courtesy, like asking 'How are you?' when you just want to be
polite; you don't actually want a detailed description of what the
surgeon found during the operation.
I've always preferred 'Yours sincerely' to 'Yours truly' in paper
business letters, although I vaguely remember that I read somewhere
sometime that there was some rule about when you are supposed to use
each of them. I don't know why I prefer 'Yours sincerely'; at this
point, my usage is probably habit more than anything else. But it
honestly never occurred to me that I was offering to belong to the
recipient.
The French use incredibly long and flowery closings, or at least they
did many years ago when I last studied French. They always seemed to me
to be of the 'I remain, dear sir, your most obedient servant etc etc'
school of letter closings, but maybe they now use much briefer ones.
--
Cheryl
the Omrud
> I've always preferred 'Yours sincerely' to 'Yours truly' in paper
> business letters, although I vaguely remember that I read somewhere
> sometime that there was some rule about when you are supposed to use
> each of them. I don't know why I prefer 'Yours sincerely'; at this
> point, my usage is probably habit more than anything else. But it
> honestly never occurred to me that I was offering to belong to the
Yours faithfully, if you had started Dear Sir/Madam
Yours sincerely, if you had started Dear Mr/Mrs Smith
We were not taught to use Yours truly at all. Sounds dangerously modern
to me.
> The French use incredibly long and flowery closings, or at least they
> did many years ago when I last studied French. They always seemed to me
> to be of the 'I remain, dear sir, your most obedient servant etc etc'
> school of letter closings, but maybe they now use much briefer ones.
Oh, they still do.
--
David
Tasha Miller
> Hello,
>
> I am trying to find a nice word that I will end my emails with. I am
> in academics and fellows mostly end an email with 'best' 'best
> wishes', 'kind regards', 'best regards'...
>
> I am fed up of these endings. I want to come up with a ending of my
> little weird, too formal or something. Or it is too much sticking out.
>
> Now I think about the word 'Friendly'. So like this:
>
> Dear Tom,
>
> I wrote the paper. Please have a look so that we can discuss.
>
> Friendly,
> Bill
>
>
> What do you think? is this a good ending or is it stupid in some way?
>
For that content I'd use "Thanks", "Regards" or "Cheers", depending on the
context and how informal our relationship was.
Donna Richoux
But in e-mails? I bet not.
--
Self-consciously -- Donna Richoux
the Omrud
Not in personal emails, anyway. A simple "Amiti�s" is normal.
My French bank signs off emails with:
- Le Cr�dit Agricole vous remercie de votre confiance.
For comparison, my UK bank gives a simple "Thank you".
--
David
Roland Hutchinson
I bet some do.
While waiting to read you, I beg you to receive, Madame, the assurance of
my distinguished consideration,
Peter Moylan
> I've always preferred 'Yours sincerely' to 'Yours truly' in paper
> business letters, although I vaguely remember that I read somewhere
> sometime that there was some rule about when you are supposed to use
> each of them. I don't know why I prefer 'Yours sincerely'; at this
> point, my usage is probably habit more than anything else. But it
> honestly never occurred to me that I was offering to belong to the
> recipient.
The formal rule is quite simple, really. Write "Yours sincerely" if
you're faithful, and "Yours faithfully" when you want to show that
you're sincere.
--
Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org
For an e-mail address, see my web page.
Peter Moylan
"Sentiments distingu�s" or something very like that. I can't quote the
precise phrase because Google Books doesn't seem to allow a search of
the general form "words that I vaguely remember".
That was a substantial number of years ago, but the French haven't given
up their love affair with the flowery closing. You can still find things
along the lines of "I assure you, my dear sir, of my passionate love for
the ground you walk on".
Evan Kirshenbaum
> Cheryl wrote:
>
>> I've always preferred 'Yours sincerely' to 'Yours truly' in paper
>> business letters, although I vaguely remember that I read somewhere
>> sometime that there was some rule about when you are supposed to use
>> each of them. I don't know why I prefer 'Yours sincerely'; at this
>> point, my usage is probably habit more than anything else. But it
>> honestly never occurred to me that I was offering to belong to the
>
> Yours faithfully, if you had started Dear Sir/Madam
> Yours sincerely, if you had started Dear Mr/Mrs Smith
>
> We were not taught to use Yours truly at all. Sounds dangerously
> modern to me.
You're probably right. I don't see it in Google Books before a 1765
letter by Laurence Sterne (published in 1776).
I see "Yours, truly and tenderly" in a 1751 letter from Lord
Chesterfield (asserted "to his son", but starting "My Dear Friend")
published in 1775.
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R H Draney
>
>The formal rule is quite simple, really. Write "Yours sincerely" if
>you're faithful, and "Yours faithfully" when you want to show that
>you're sincere.
If you're sending it via Canada Post, you can close with "hoping this finds
you"....r
--
A pessimist sees the glass as half empty.
An optometrist asks whether you see the glass
more full like this?...or like this?
CDB
>>>> minimus <min...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to find a nice word that I will end my emails with.
>>>>> I am in academics and fellows mostly end an email with 'best'
>>>>> 'best wishes', 'kind regards', 'best regards'...
>>>>
>>> I have the honour to be your most obedient humble servant
>>
>> Does "Your servant" in the "Pleased to meet you" slot upon being
>> introduced to somebody survive anywhere?
>
> How about in the "hello/goodbye" slot -- in Bavaria and Austria
> ("Servus!")?
>
"schiavo"? WIWALK, I used to confuse Venice and Vienna. Maybe I
wasn't the only one.
Little Kid.
R H Draney
>
>Speaking of "hello/goodbye", isn't "ciao" Venetian dialect for
>"schiavo"? WIWALK, I used to confuse Venice and Vienna. Maybe I
>wasn't the only one.
See also Genoa and Geneva....r
erilar
> What other endings do you use?
I have assorted sig lines I can paste in automatically, but for friends
I use
( ) ( ) hugs
8-)
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
Roland Hutchinson
> CDB filted:
>>
>>Speaking of "hello/goodbye", isn't "ciao" Venetian dialect for
>>"schiavo"? WIWALK, I used to confuse Venice and Vienna. Maybe I wasn't
>>the only one.
>
> See also Genoa and Geneva....r
It's easy, really. Vienna is in Austria, where they have the nice
kangaroos. Venice is on the coast near L.A.
Garrett Wollman
erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>I have assorted sig lines I can paste in automatically, but for friends
>I use
>
> ( ) ( ) hugs
And now here I am wondering what PostScript interpreter defines a
"hugs" operator....
-GAWollman
--
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wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Donna Richoux
> Camus, near the beginning of his novel "La Peste", quotes a simple
> "Sentiments distingu�s" or something very like that. I can't quote the
> precise phrase because Google Books doesn't seem to allow a search of
> the general form "words that I vaguely remember".
>
Would you settle for "L'Etranger"?
Robert Bannister
I'm amazed you accept emails from a bank. I mark all bank emails as junk
on sight because almost all of them are. Of course, it's a bit of a
give-away when it's a bank you've barely heard of, but I don't accept
emails from my bank either and they advise customers to do this.
--
Rob Bannister
Robert Bannister
> the Omrud wrote:
>> Donna Richoux wrote:
>>> the Omrud <usenet...@gEXPUNGEmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cheryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The French use incredibly long and flowery closings, or at least
>>>>> they did many years ago when I last studied French. They always
>>>>> seemed to me to be of the 'I remain, dear sir, your most
>>>>> obedient servant etc etc' school of letter closings, but maybe
>>>>> they now use much briefer ones.
>>>> Oh, they still do.
>>>
>>> But in e-mails? I bet not.
>>
>> Not in personal emails, anyway. A simple "Amiti�s" is normal.
>>
>> My French bank signs off emails with:
>>
>> - Le Cr�dit Agricole vous remercie de votre confiance.
>>
>> For comparison, my UK bank gives a simple "Thank you".
>>
> Camus, near the beginning of his novel "La Peste", quotes a simple
> "Sentiments distingu�s" or something very like that. I can't quote the
> precise phrase because Google Books doesn't seem to allow a search of
> the general form "words that I vaguely remember".
But I am sure he knew his readers would automatically fill in the
"Veuillez, cher monsieur, d'agr�er mes".
--
Rob Bannister
Peter Moylan
Thank you. That makes a lot more sense.
tony cooper
My bank sends me an email once a month to tell me that my statement is
online. I never open the mail, but I can read it in preview. It's
not a matter of not accepting, but not opening.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Mike Barnes
>I'm amazed you accept emails from a bank. I mark all bank emails as
>junk on sight because almost all of them are. Of course, it's a bit of
>a give-away when it's a bank you've barely heard of, but I don't accept
>emails from my bank either and they advise customers to do this.
One of my banks sends me e-mails to alert me to the fact that they've
placed a secure message for me on their web site.
--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
Don Aitken
<tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:52:37 +0800, Robert Bannister
><rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>the Omrud wrote:
>>> Donna Richoux wrote:
>>>> the Omrud <usenet...@gEXPUNGEmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cheryl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The French use incredibly long and flowery closings, or at least they
>>>>>> did many years ago when I last studied French. They always seemed to me
>>>>>> to be of the 'I remain, dear sir, your most obedient servant etc etc'
>>>>>> school of letter closings, but maybe they now use much briefer ones.
>>>>> Oh, they still do.
>>>>
>>>> But in e-mails? I bet not.
>>>
>>> Not in personal emails, anyway. A simple "Amitiés" is normal.
>>>
>>> My French bank signs off emails with:
>>>
>>> - Le Crédit Agricole vous remercie de votre confiance.
>>>
>>> For comparison, my UK bank gives a simple "Thank you".
>>>
>>
>>I'm amazed you accept emails from a bank. I mark all bank emails as junk
>>on sight because almost all of them are. Of course, it's a bit of a
>>give-away when it's a bank you've barely heard of, but I don't accept
>>emails from my bank either and they advise customers to do this.
>
>My bank sends me an email once a month to tell me that my statement is
>online. I never open the mail, but I can read it in preview. It's
>not a matter of not accepting, but not opening.
If you use the OE "preview" function, the email is opened, and any
evil it is capable of doing can be done. The commonest thing they do
is to substitute something of their own for your bank's email address
in your OE address book.
--
Don Aitken
Mail to the From: address is not read.
To email me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com"
Garrett Wollman
Don Aitken <don-a...@freeuk.com> wrote:
>If you use the OE "preview" function, the email is opened, and any
>evil it is capable of doing can be done. The commonest thing they do
>is to substitute something of their own for your bank's email address
>in your OE address book.
Why would that matter? Who sends email to their bank? For that
matter, who sends pmail to their bank any more?
My credit union sends me (e)mail to confirm that my credit-card
payment has been posted. My bank sends me mail to tell me to go to
some obnoxious pseudo-mail facility to get an answer to my question.
(I'd rather they sent me authenticable, encrypted proper email, but
that seems to be a lost cause these days; the clueless masses barely
know how to use a Web browser, never mind a decent email client.) My
retirement plan would like to send me quarterly statements by mail,
but I have steadfastly refused to tell them my email address so they
have to send me pmail instead.
John Holmes
> In article <3i5gg59r2qlj4agr3...@4ax.com>,
> Don Aitken <don-a...@freeuk.com> wrote:
>
>> If you use the OE "preview" function, the email is opened, and any
>> evil it is capable of doing can be done. The commonest thing they do
>> is to substitute something of their own for your bank's email address
>> in your OE address book.
>
> Why would that matter? Who sends email to their bank? For that
> matter, who sends pmail to their bank any more?
You can try, but the banks have no staff to read them.
It is actually quite difficult to find email addresses for banks these
days, as for many other large companies. They usually will have a web
form for submitting enquiries. And most of their outgoing emails will
have a From: address that says <Do not reply to>.
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John
for mail: my initials plus a u e
at tpg dot com dot au
Peter Moylan
But banks now do want their customers to supply e-mail addresses. It
would therefore seem reasonable to supply them with a <Do not reply to>
address. If enough people do this, it might send a message about
customer service.
Mike Barnes
>
>If you use the OE "preview" function, the email is opened, and any
>evil it is capable of doing can be done.
My understanding is that that problem has been fixed in modern versions
of OE. One would have to be bonkers to use software like that nowadays.
Cheryl
remarkably reticent on their websites about (a) their physical location
and (b) the individual email addresses/locations of their staff. I can
only assume this is to protect the privacy of their employees. I am
thinking specifically of moderately large multi-site and
multi-department public institutions which, on their 'contacts' page
have, perhaps, an email address, phone number and possibly the physical
location of their administration, which is never located anywhere near
the main buildings, in one of which your target works. Probably. The
various department pages - if they've been set up and maintained, by no
means a certainty - might have an email address or phone number and, if
you're lucky, a few staff names. If you have been asked to track down
someone and don't know exactly which building and/or department he is
with, and the admin don't like releasing information, it can get get
very frustrating. There are various sources that might reveal a phone
number, fortunately. You might as well not even have email!
--
Cheryl