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arthurvv vart
Apr 2, 2022, 1:38:05 AM4/2/22
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1. I repaired my car and spared myself 200 dollars.
2. I repaired my car and spared myself the expense of taking it to the garage.
3. I repaired my car and spared myself the cost of taking it to the garage.
4. I repaired my car and saved myself 200 dollars.
5. I repaired my car and saved myself the expense of taking it to the garage.
6. I repaired my car and saved myself the cost of taking it to the garage.
Which sentences have the right choice of words?
Which do you find natural?
Gratefully,
Navi
2. I repaired my car and spared myself the expense of taking it to the garage.
3. I repaired my car and spared myself the cost of taking it to the garage.
4. I repaired my car and saved myself 200 dollars.
5. I repaired my car and saved myself the expense of taking it to the garage.
6. I repaired my car and saved myself the cost of taking it to the garage.
Which sentences have the right choice of words?
Which do you find natural?
Gratefully,
Navi
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Apr 2, 2022, 3:14:29 AM4/2/22
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probably the best as it is shortest and conveys the meaning as well as
the others -- better, even, as it specifies what "the expense" and "the
cost" mean.
--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.
Peter T. Daniels
Apr 2, 2022, 8:54:42 PM4/2/22
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but that's you. "Myself" is unnecessary,
lar3ryca
Apr 3, 2022, 2:25:13 AM4/3/22
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This left-pondian would consider the first three unidomatic.
Of the last three, the idiomatic one would be:
"I repaired the car myself and saved 200 dollars."
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Apr 3, 2022, 2:42:24 AM4/3/22
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On 2022-04-03 06:25:08 +0000, lar3ryca said:
> On 2022-04-01 23:38, arthurvv vart wrote:
>> 1. I repaired my car and spared myself 200 dollars.
>> 2. I repaired my car and spared myself the expense of taking it to the garage.
>> 3. I repaired my car and spared myself the cost of taking it to the garage.
>>
>> 4. I repaired my car and saved myself 200 dollars.
>> 5. I repaired my car and saved myself the expense of taking it to the garage.
>> 6. I repaired my car and saved myself the cost of taking it to the garage.
>>
>> Which sentences have the right choice of words?
>> Which do you find natural?
>
> You have already received a right-pondian answer.
>
> This left-pondian would consider the first three unidomatic.
Yes, you're right. 2 and 3 are not as bad as 1, but they're not good either.
> On 2022-04-01 23:38, arthurvv vart wrote:
>> 1. I repaired my car and spared myself 200 dollars.
>> 2. I repaired my car and spared myself the expense of taking it to the garage.
>> 3. I repaired my car and spared myself the cost of taking it to the garage.
>>
>> 4. I repaired my car and saved myself 200 dollars.
>> 5. I repaired my car and saved myself the expense of taking it to the garage.
>> 6. I repaired my car and saved myself the cost of taking it to the garage.
>>
>> Which sentences have the right choice of words?
>> Which do you find natural?
>
> You have already received a right-pondian answer.
>
> This left-pondian would consider the first three unidomatic.
>
> Of the last three, the idiomatic one would be:
> "I repaired the car myself and saved 200 dollars."
You're right about that too. I almost made that suggestion myself.
> Of the last three, the idiomatic one would be:
> "I repaired the car myself and saved 200 dollars."
Richard Heathfield
Apr 3, 2022, 3:22:23 AM4/3/22
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On 03/04/2022 7:25 am, lar3ryca wrote:
> On 2022-04-01 23:38, arthurvv vart wrote:
>> 1. I repaired my car and spared myself 200 dollars.
>> 2. I repaired my car and spared myself the expense of taking it to the
>> garage.
>> 3. I repaired my car and spared myself the cost of taking it to the
>> garage.
>>
>> 4. I repaired my car and saved myself 200 dollars.
>> 5. I repaired my car and saved myself the expense of taking it to the
>> garage.
>> 6. I repaired my car and saved myself the cost of taking it to the
>> garage.
>>
>> Which sentences have the right choice of words?
>> Which do you find natural?
>
> You have already received a right-pondian answer.
>
> This left-pondian would consider the first three unidomatic.
For your supplies:
> On 2022-04-01 23:38, arthurvv vart wrote:
>> 1. I repaired my car and spared myself 200 dollars.
>> 2. I repaired my car and spared myself the expense of taking it to the
>> garage.
>> 3. I repaired my car and spared myself the cost of taking it to the
>> garage.
>>
>> 4. I repaired my car and saved myself 200 dollars.
>> 5. I repaired my car and saved myself the expense of taking it to the
>> garage.
>> 6. I repaired my car and saved myself the cost of taking it to the
>> garage.
>>
>> Which sentences have the right choice of words?
>> Which do you find natural?
>
> You have already received a right-pondian answer.
>
> This left-pondian would consider the first three unidomatic.
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--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
Mark Brader
Apr 3, 2022, 3:50:33 AM4/3/22
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"Larry":
--
Mark Brader | "You know, you have a very transparent mind --
Toronto | which in no way implies clear thinking!"
m...@vex.net | --Marshall Cahill (Bochco/Hargrove/Kibbee)
> This left-pondian would consider the first three unidomatic.
>
> Of the last three, the idiomatic one would be:
> "I repaired the car myself and saved 200 dollars."
No, it should end with "$200", not "200 dollars".
>
> Of the last three, the idiomatic one would be:
> "I repaired the car myself and saved 200 dollars."
--
Mark Brader | "You know, you have a very transparent mind --
Toronto | which in no way implies clear thinking!"
m...@vex.net | --Marshall Cahill (Bochco/Hargrove/Kibbee)
Peter Moylan
Apr 3, 2022, 5:05:35 AM4/3/22
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CDB
Apr 3, 2022, 8:05:16 AM4/3/22
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On 4/3/2022 5:05 AM, Peter Moylan wrote:
> Richard Heathfield wrote:
Ma! He's makin' i's at me!
> Richard Heathfield wrote:
arthurvv vart
Apr 4, 2022, 6:42:01 AM4/4/22
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I understand "Ma! He's making i's at me!" but I don't think I get Richard's joke.
The jokes on this forum are usually smart, I'd say. At least the ones I get. But I don't get all of them.
I feel terribly left out! There are tears in my eyes.
Respectfully,
Navi
Peter Moylan
Apr 4, 2022, 8:02:49 AM4/4/22
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Mine was about the difference in spelling between "idiomatic" and "idiotic".
CDB was referring to a song that was popular many years ago, plus of
course a pun about i's.
Richard Heathfield
Apr 4, 2022, 8:38:41 AM4/4/22
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On 04/04/2022 1:02 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
<snip>
> Richard's joke was an indirect comment on a spelling error in "idomatic".
Yes, but to be fair to lar3ryca, I think it's very clear to us all that
it was a typographical error - a mistype - rather than any doubt on his
part about how to spell the word.
<snip>
<snip>
> Richard's joke was an indirect comment on a spelling error in "idomatic".
it was a typographical error - a mistype - rather than any doubt on his
part about how to spell the word.
<snip>
arthurvv vart
Apr 4, 2022, 8:41:04 AM4/4/22
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I had missed the typo!
Look what they've done to my song, ma?
Is that the song?
Gratefully, and respectfully,
Navi
CDB
Apr 4, 2022, 8:51:49 AM4/4/22
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On 4/4/2022 6:41 AM, arthurvv vart wrote:
Have you heard the popular song from the late '30s?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHS5ZurTj5I
> The jokes on this forum are usually smart, I'd say. At least the ones
> I get. But I don't get all of them.
Richard was pointing out that the word "unidiomatic" had been written
without one of its "i"s.
> I feel terribly left out! There are tears in my eyes.
I think you may find that those are tittles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHS5ZurTj5I
> The jokes on this forum are usually smart, I'd say. At least the ones
> I get. But I don't get all of them.
without one of its "i"s.
> I feel terribly left out! There are tears in my eyes.
Peter Moylan
Apr 4, 2022, 9:02:00 AM4/4/22
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On 04/04/22 22:41, arthurvv vart wrote:
>> On 04/04/22 20:41, arthurvv vart wrote:
>>> I understand "Ma! He's making i's at me!" but I don't think I
>>> get Richard's joke.
>> On 04/04/22 20:41, arthurvv vart wrote:
>>> I understand "Ma! He's making i's at me!" but I don't think I
>>> get Richard's joke.
> Look what they've done to my song, ma?
>
> Is that the song?
No, that was a 1970 song. The song "Ma, he's making eyes at me" is from
>
> Is that the song?
1921.
Look what they've done to my dog, ma.
lar3ryca
Apr 4, 2022, 12:47:58 PM4/4/22
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On 2022-04-04 06:38, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 04/04/2022 1:02 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Richard's joke was an indirect comment on a spelling error in "idomatic".
>
> Yes, but to be fair to lar3ryca, I think it's very clear to us all that
> it was a typographical error - a mistype - rather than any doubt on his
> part about how to spell the word.
True,it was a fingo. Though I am at a loss as to how I missed the wiggly
> On 04/04/2022 1:02 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Richard's joke was an indirect comment on a spelling error in "idomatic".
>
> Yes, but to be fair to lar3ryca, I think it's very clear to us all that
> it was a typographical error - a mistype - rather than any doubt on his
> part about how to spell the word.
red underline signifying a spelling error. In my defense, it was 00:25
here, and I was left unsupervised.
lar3ryca
Apr 4, 2022, 1:00:34 PM4/4/22
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On 2022-04-04 06:38, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 04/04/2022 1:02 pm, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Richard's joke was an indirect comment on a spelling error in "idomatic".
>
> Yes, but to be fair to lar3ryca, I think it's very clear to us all that
> it was a typographical error - a mistype - rather than any doubt on his
> part about how to spell the word.
>
> <snip>
>
>> Richard's joke was an indirect comment on a spelling error in "idomatic".
>
> Yes, but to be fair to lar3ryca, I think it's very clear to us all that
> it was a typographical error - a mistype - rather than any doubt on his
> part about how to spell the word.
arthurvv vart
Apr 5, 2022, 8:16:11 AM4/5/22
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No, I didn't know that song. I liked it. I will listen to it again. Thanks.
I wonder how many people in Anglosaxonia these days know this song. I was talking to this young American woman the other day who had not heard of Bob Dylan.
Respectfully,
Navi
Lewis
Apr 5, 2022, 12:41:09 PM4/5/22
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In message <t2epl1$k4v$1...@gioia.aioe.org> CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/4/2022 6:41 AM, arthurvv vart wrote:
>> CDB wrote:
>>> Ma! He's makin' i's at me!
>> Thank you all very much,
>> I understand "Ma! He's making i's at me!" but I don't think I get
>> Richard's joke.
> Have you heard the popular song from the late '30s?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHS5ZurTj5I
Please, it was already a Golden Oldie by the time that was recorded.
> On 4/4/2022 6:41 AM, arthurvv vart wrote:
>> CDB wrote:
>>> Ma! He's makin' i's at me!
>> Thank you all very much,
>> I understand "Ma! He's making i's at me!" but I don't think I get
>> Richard's joke.
> Have you heard the popular song from the late '30s?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHS5ZurTj5I
--
SOME SHADOWS ARE SO LONG, THEY ARRIVE BEFORE THE LIGHT. --Soul Music
Sam Plusnet
Apr 5, 2022, 2:34:25 PM4/5/22
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On 05-Apr-22 13:16, arthurvv vart wrote:
> Thank you all so very much,
>
> No, I didn't know that song. I liked it. I will listen to it again. Thanks.
>
> I wonder how many people in Anglosaxonia these days know this song. I was talking to this young American woman the other day who had not heard of Bob Dylan.
>
"The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there."
> Thank you all so very much,
>
> No, I didn't know that song. I liked it. I will listen to it again. Thanks.
>
> I wonder how many people in Anglosaxonia these days know this song. I was talking to this young American woman the other day who had not heard of Bob Dylan.
>
--
Sam Plusnet
Peter Moylan
Apr 5, 2022, 6:39:44 PM4/5/22
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On 05/04/22 22:16, arthurvv vart wrote:
> I wonder how many people in Anglosaxonia these days know this song. I
> was talking to this young American woman the other day who had not
> heard of Bob Dylan.
Whoever he was.
> I wonder how many people in Anglosaxonia these days know this song. I
> was talking to this young American woman the other day who had not
> heard of Bob Dylan.
Peter Moylan
Apr 5, 2022, 6:40:45 PM4/5/22
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On 06/04/22 02:41, Lewis wrote:
> In message <t2epl1$k4v$1...@gioia.aioe.org> CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/4/2022 6:41 AM, arthurvv vart wrote:
>>> CDB wrote:
>
>>>> Ma! He's makin' i's at me!
>
>>> Thank you all very much,
>
>>> I understand "Ma! He's making i's at me!" but I don't think I get
>>> Richard's joke.
>
>> Have you heard the popular song from the late '30s?
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHS5ZurTj5I
>
> Please, it was already a Golden Oldie by the time that was recorded.
Yes, but it's new to anyone who has never heard it before.
> In message <t2epl1$k4v$1...@gioia.aioe.org> CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/4/2022 6:41 AM, arthurvv vart wrote:
>>> CDB wrote:
>
>>>> Ma! He's makin' i's at me!
>
>>> Thank you all very much,
>
>>> I understand "Ma! He's making i's at me!" but I don't think I get
>>> Richard's joke.
>
>> Have you heard the popular song from the late '30s?
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHS5ZurTj5I
>
> Please, it was already a Golden Oldie by the time that was recorded.
Ken Blake
Apr 5, 2022, 7:39:35 PM4/5/22
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 08:39:38 +1000, Peter Moylan
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>On 05/04/22 22:16, arthurvv vart wrote:
>
>> I wonder how many people in Anglosaxonia these days know this song. I
>> was talking to this young American woman the other day who had not
>> heard of Bob Dylan.
>
>Whoever he was.
I've heard recordings of him very few times, but I met him once,
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>On 05/04/22 22:16, arthurvv vart wrote:
>
>> I wonder how many people in Anglosaxonia these days know this song. I
>> was talking to this young American woman the other day who had not
>> heard of Bob Dylan.
>
>Whoever he was.
sometime around 1960.
lar3ryca
Apr 5, 2022, 8:34:34 PM4/5/22
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On 2022-04-05 16:39, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 05/04/22 22:16, arthurvv vart wrote:
>
>> I wonder how many people in Anglosaxonia these days know this song. I
>> was talking to this young American woman the other day who had not
>> heard of Bob Dylan.
>
> Whoever he was.
He was Bobby Zimmerman.
> On 05/04/22 22:16, arthurvv vart wrote:
>
>> I wonder how many people in Anglosaxonia these days know this song. I
>> was talking to this young American woman the other day who had not
>> heard of Bob Dylan.
>
> Whoever he was.
Peter Moylan
Apr 6, 2022, 12:31:42 AM4/6/22
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at the same party.
Kerr-Mudd, John
Apr 6, 2022, 4:46:23 AM4/6/22
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--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
Richard Heathfield
Apr 6, 2022, 5:09:28 AM4/6/22
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CDB
Apr 6, 2022, 7:30:14 AM4/6/22
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On 4/5/2022 8:34 PM, lar3ryca wrote:
-- The Artist Formerly Known As Squiggle.
> Peter Moylan wrote:
>> arthurvv vart wrote:
>>> I wonder how many people in Anglosaxonia these days know this
>>> song. I was talking to this young American woman the other day
>>> who had not heard of Bob Dylan.
>> Whoever he was.
> He was Bobby Zimmerman.
I call deadname.
>> arthurvv vart wrote:
>>> I wonder how many people in Anglosaxonia these days know this
>>> song. I was talking to this young American woman the other day
>>> who had not heard of Bob Dylan.
>> Whoever he was.
> He was Bobby Zimmerman.
-- The Artist Formerly Known As Squiggle.
CDB
Apr 6, 2022, 7:31:52 AM4/6/22
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On 4/5/2022 12:41 PM, Lewis wrote:
Coulda been worse. Coulda been Teresa Brewer.
> CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> arthurvv vart wrote:
>>> CDB wrote:
>>>> Ma! He's makin' i's at me!
>>> Thank you all very much,
>>> I understand "Ma! He's making i's at me!" but I don't think I
>>> get Richard's joke.
>> Have you heard the popular song from the late '30s?
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHS5ZurTj5I
> Please, it was already a Golden Oldie by the time that was recorded.
Before my time.
>> arthurvv vart wrote:
>>> CDB wrote:
>>>> Ma! He's makin' i's at me!
>>> Thank you all very much,
>>> I understand "Ma! He's making i's at me!" but I don't think I
>>> get Richard's joke.
>> Have you heard the popular song from the late '30s?
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHS5ZurTj5I
> Please, it was already a Golden Oldie by the time that was recorded.
Coulda been worse. Coulda been Teresa Brewer.
CDB
Apr 6, 2022, 7:35:06 AM4/6/22
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On 4/6/2022 5:09 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> lar3ryca wrote:
> lar3ryca wrote:
>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> arthurvv vart wrote:
>>>> I wonder how many people in Anglosaxonia these days know this
>>>> song. I was talking to this young American woman the other day
>>>> who had not heard of Bob Dylan.
>>> Whoever he was.
>
>> He was Bobby Zimmerman.
> Any relation to Arthur Zimmermann? Did he eventually get his
> telegram?
Must have. He STOPPED in 1940.
>>> arthurvv vart wrote:
>>>> I wonder how many people in Anglosaxonia these days know this
>>>> song. I was talking to this young American woman the other day
>>>> who had not heard of Bob Dylan.
>>> Whoever he was.
>
>> He was Bobby Zimmerman.
> Any relation to Arthur Zimmermann? Did he eventually get his
> telegram?
--
Ns and all.
Lewis
Apr 6, 2022, 10:08:15 AM4/6/22
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In message <t2igfc$1b3$1...@dont-email.me> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> On 05/04/22 22:16, arthurvv vart wrote:
>> I wonder how many people in Anglosaxonia these days know this song. I
>> was talking to this young American woman the other day who had not
>> heard of Bob Dylan.
> Whoever he was.
He was Bobby Zimmerman
> On 05/04/22 22:16, arthurvv vart wrote:
>> I wonder how many people in Anglosaxonia these days know this song. I
>> was talking to this young American woman the other day who had not
>> heard of Bob Dylan.
> Whoever he was.
--
I think I'm a clone now,
There's always two of me
Just a-hangin' around
lar3ryca
Apr 6, 2022, 10:10:51 AM4/6/22
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What is the penalty for inadvertent deadnaming, anyway?
Adam Funk
Apr 6, 2022, 10:45:07 AM4/6/22
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On 2022-04-06, Lewis wrote:
> In message <t2igfc$1b3$1...@dont-email.me> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>> On 05/04/22 22:16, arthurvv vart wrote:
>
>>> I wonder how many people in Anglosaxonia these days know this song. I
>>> was talking to this young American woman the other day who had not
>>> heard of Bob Dylan.
>
>> Whoever he was.
>
> He was Bobby Zimmerman
I asked Bobby Dylan
> In message <t2igfc$1b3$1...@dont-email.me> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>> On 05/04/22 22:16, arthurvv vart wrote:
>
>>> I wonder how many people in Anglosaxonia these days know this song. I
>>> was talking to this young American woman the other day who had not
>>> heard of Bob Dylan.
>
>> Whoever he was.
>
> He was Bobby Zimmerman
I asked the Beatles
I asked Timothy Leary
But he couldn't help me either
--
yes, I know the secrets of the circuitry mind
it's a flaming wonder telepath
Ken Blake
Apr 6, 2022, 3:06:13 PM4/6/22
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store. I bought the banjo there that I still have that day; I don't
remember whether he bought anything.
Silvano
Apr 6, 2022, 4:03:11 PM4/6/22
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Ken Blake hat am 06.04.2022 um 21:06 geschrieben:
If he officially changed his name to Bob Dylan in 1962, as stated in the
German Wikipedia, may I assume you're a bit older than me? In
Autumn/Fall 1962 I entered kindergarten.
To go back to the AUE main theme, do you say Autumn or Fall in Canada?
What do other native English speakers from Australia, South Africa and
anywhere else say, apart from UK and US?
German Wikipedia, may I assume you're a bit older than me? In
Autumn/Fall 1962 I entered kindergarten.
To go back to the AUE main theme, do you say Autumn or Fall in Canada?
What do other native English speakers from Australia, South Africa and
anywhere else say, apart from UK and US?
lar3ryca
Apr 6, 2022, 4:09:50 PM4/6/22
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On 2022-04-06 14:03, Silvano wrote:
> Ken Blake hat am 06.04.2022 um 21:06 geschrieben:
>> On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 18:34:30 -0600, lar3ryca <la...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>> He was Bobby Zimmerman.
>>
>>
>> That's who he was when I met him. We were both shopping in the same
>> store. I bought the banjo there that I still have that day; I don't
>> remember whether he bought anything.
>
> If he officially changed his name to Bob Dylan in 1962, as stated in the
> German Wikipedia, may I assume you're a bit older than me? In
> Autumn/Fall 1962 I entered kindergarten.
> To go back to the AUE main theme, do you say Autumn or Fall in Canada?
Both.
> Ken Blake hat am 06.04.2022 um 21:06 geschrieben:
>> On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 18:34:30 -0600, lar3ryca <la...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>> He was Bobby Zimmerman.
>>
>>
>> That's who he was when I met him. We were both shopping in the same
>> store. I bought the banjo there that I still have that day; I don't
>> remember whether he bought anything.
>
> If he officially changed his name to Bob Dylan in 1962, as stated in the
> German Wikipedia, may I assume you're a bit older than me? In
> Autumn/Fall 1962 I entered kindergarten.
> To go back to the AUE main theme, do you say Autumn or Fall in Canada?
Silvano
Apr 6, 2022, 4:32:08 PM4/6/22
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lar3ryca hat am 06.04.2022 um 22:09 geschrieben:
> On 2022-04-06 14:03, Silvano wrote:
>> To go back to the AUE main theme, do you say Autumn or Fall in Canada?
>
> Both.
Any difference in usage, e.g. between British Columbia and Newfoundland?
>> To go back to the AUE main theme, do you say Autumn or Fall in Canada?
>
> Both.
lar3ryca
Apr 6, 2022, 5:46:21 PM4/6/22
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will use the term interchangeably.
Mark Brader
Apr 6, 2022, 6:58:14 PM4/6/22
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"Silvano":
>>>> ...do you say Autumn or Fall in Canada?
say "fall", but people who want to sound fancy or poetic or something
may say "autumn". But the rest of us know what they mean.
--
Mark Brader | Are governments capable of evil? Yes, of course they are.
Toronto | All institutions are. But they're MORE capable of incompetence.
m...@vex.net | (That's good! I should post that.)
--Sherlock Holmes (Craig Sweeney, "Elementary")
>>>> ...do you say Autumn or Fall in Canada?
>> Any difference in usage, e.g. between British Columbia and Newfoundland?
"Larry":
> I don't know if it's regional. I do know that I, and most people I know,
> will use the term interchangeably.
I'd say it's a matter of register, not region. Normal people normally
> will use the term interchangeably.
say "fall", but people who want to sound fancy or poetic or something
may say "autumn". But the rest of us know what they mean.
--
Mark Brader | Are governments capable of evil? Yes, of course they are.
Toronto | All institutions are. But they're MORE capable of incompetence.
m...@vex.net | (That's good! I should post that.)
--Sherlock Holmes (Craig Sweeney, "Elementary")
Ken Blake
Apr 6, 2022, 7:44:52 PM4/6/22
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 22:03:04 +0200, Silvano
<Sil...@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
>Ken Blake hat am 06.04.2022 um 21:06 geschrieben:
>> On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 18:34:30 -0600, lar3ryca <la...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>> He was Bobby Zimmerman.
>>
>>
>> That's who he was when I met him. We were both shopping in the same
>> store. I bought the banjo there that I still have that day; I don't
>> remember whether he bought anything.
>
>If he officially changed his name to Bob Dylan in 1962, as stated in the
>German Wikipedia, may I assume you're a bit older than me?
Si. Credo che piu di un po. Ho ottantaquattro anni.
<Sil...@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
>Ken Blake hat am 06.04.2022 um 21:06 geschrieben:
>> On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 18:34:30 -0600, lar3ryca <la...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>> He was Bobby Zimmerman.
>>
>>
>> That's who he was when I met him. We were both shopping in the same
>> store. I bought the banjo there that I still have that day; I don't
>> remember whether he bought anything.
>
>If he officially changed his name to Bob Dylan in 1962, as stated in the
>German Wikipedia, may I assume you're a bit older than me?
Il mio italiano è tutt'altro che fluente ma so un po' di Italiano.
>In Autumn/Fall 1962 I entered kindergarten.
marriage.
>To go back to the AUE main theme, do you say Autumn or Fall in Canada?
say either Autumn or Fall depending on my mood.
Tony Cooper
Apr 6, 2022, 8:06:35 PM4/6/22
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On Wed, 06 Apr 2022 16:44:44 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
wrote:
>On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 22:03:04 +0200, Silvano
><Sil...@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
>
>>Ken Blake hat am 06.04.2022 um 21:06 geschrieben:
>>> On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 18:34:30 -0600, lar3ryca <la...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>> He was Bobby Zimmerman.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's who he was when I met him. We were both shopping in the same
>>> store. I bought the banjo there that I still have that day; I don't
>>> remember whether he bought anything.
>>
>>If he officially changed his name to Bob Dylan in 1962, as stated in the
>>German Wikipedia, may I assume you're a bit older than me?
>
>Si. Credo che piu di un po. Ho ottantaquattro anni.
>
>Il mio italiano è tutt'altro che fluente ma so un po' di Italiano.
>
>
>>In Autumn/Fall 1962 I entered kindergarten.
>
>In the summer of 1962 I celebrated the first anniversary of my
>marriage.
>
>
>>To go back to the AUE main theme, do you say Autumn or Fall in Canada?
>
>
>I don't know what Canadians say. I'm from the US. I live in Arizona. I
>say either Autumn or Fall depending on my mood.
>
I live in Florida, and always use "Fall". The word "Autumn" suggests
the changing of the colors when the trees go from green to glorious
colors and shed their leaves. That doesn't happen in Florida.
We do have Fall sports, though. Football is a Fall sport, not an
Autumn sport.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida
I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.
wrote:
>On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 22:03:04 +0200, Silvano
><Sil...@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
>
>>Ken Blake hat am 06.04.2022 um 21:06 geschrieben:
>>> On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 18:34:30 -0600, lar3ryca <la...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>> He was Bobby Zimmerman.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's who he was when I met him. We were both shopping in the same
>>> store. I bought the banjo there that I still have that day; I don't
>>> remember whether he bought anything.
>>
>>If he officially changed his name to Bob Dylan in 1962, as stated in the
>>German Wikipedia, may I assume you're a bit older than me?
>
>Si. Credo che piu di un po. Ho ottantaquattro anni.
>
>Il mio italiano è tutt'altro che fluente ma so un po' di Italiano.
>
>
>>In Autumn/Fall 1962 I entered kindergarten.
>
>In the summer of 1962 I celebrated the first anniversary of my
>marriage.
>
>
>>To go back to the AUE main theme, do you say Autumn or Fall in Canada?
>
>
>I don't know what Canadians say. I'm from the US. I live in Arizona. I
>say either Autumn or Fall depending on my mood.
>
the changing of the colors when the trees go from green to glorious
colors and shed their leaves. That doesn't happen in Florida.
We do have Fall sports, though. Football is a Fall sport, not an
Autumn sport.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida
I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.
Richard Heathfield
Apr 6, 2022, 9:44:42 PM4/6/22
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On 06/04/2022 11:58 pm, Mark Brader wrote:
> "Silvano":
>>>>> ...do you say Autumn or Fall in Canada?
>>> Any difference in usage, e.g. between British Columbia and Newfoundland?
>
> "Larry":
>> I don't know if it's regional. I do know that I, and most people I know,
>> will use the term interchangeably.
>
> I'd say it's a matter of register, not region. Normal people normally
> say "fall", but people who want to sound fancy or poetic or something
> may say "autumn". But the rest of us know what they mean.
Interesting. Rightpondially, it's the other way around. People might say
> "Silvano":
>>>>> ...do you say Autumn or Fall in Canada?
>>> Any difference in usage, e.g. between British Columbia and Newfoundland?
>
> "Larry":
>> I don't know if it's regional. I do know that I, and most people I know,
>> will use the term interchangeably.
>
> I'd say it's a matter of register, not region. Normal people normally
> say "fall", but people who want to sound fancy or poetic or something
> may say "autumn". But the rest of us know what they mean.
"fall" in an attempt to sound transatlantic, but at the risk of a
hiccough in understanding; normal people say "autumn".
Peter Moylan
Apr 6, 2022, 10:52:54 PM4/6/22
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On 07/04/22 06:03, Silvano wrote:
> To go back to the AUE main theme, do you say Autumn or Fall in
> Canada? What do other native English speakers from Australia, South
> Africa and anywhere else say, apart from UK and US?
Australians say Autumn, but most of us (not all) understand it if
> To go back to the AUE main theme, do you say Autumn or Fall in
> Canada? What do other native English speakers from Australia, South
> Africa and anywhere else say, apart from UK and US?
someone else says Fall.
For a while now I've thought that the traditional division into four
seasons of equal lengths is obsolete. Summer is a lot longer than it
used to be, to the extent that Autumn is being squeezed out of
existence. That might be different in countries where leaves fall off
the trees.
Stooge #6
Silvano
Apr 7, 2022, 5:29:22 AM4/7/22
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Peter Moylan hat am 07.04.2022 um 04:52 geschrieben:
I thank you, Ken and Tony.
@Ken: your last sentence in Italian is almost perfect.
@Ken: your last sentence in Italian is almost perfect.
CDB
Apr 7, 2022, 7:47:22 AM4/7/22
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On 4/6/2022 6:58 PM, Mark Brader wrote:
"Silvano":
>>>>> ...do you say Autumn or Fall in Canada?
>>> Any difference in usage, e.g. between British Columbia and
>>> Newfoundland?
Both, here in Ontario.
"Silvano":
>>>>> ...do you say Autumn or Fall in Canada?
>>> Any difference in usage, e.g. between British Columbia and
>>> Newfoundland?
"Larry":
>> I don't know if it's regional. I do know that I, and most people I
>> know, will use the term interchangeably.
> I'd say it's a matter of register, not region. Normal people
> normally say "fall", but people who want to sound fancy or poetic or
> something may say "autumn".
writing.
arthurvv vart
Apr 7, 2022, 8:21:40 AM4/7/22
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Sam Plusnet
Apr 7, 2022, 3:36:31 PM4/7/22
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On 07-Apr-22 0:44, Ken Blake wrote:
>
> I don't know what Canadians say. I'm from the US. I live in Arizona. I
> say either Autumn or Fall depending on my mood.
I was hoping that would end with:
>
> I don't know what Canadians say. I'm from the US. I live in Arizona. I
> say either Autumn or Fall depending on my mood.
"I live in Arizona. We don't have either."
--
Sam Plusnet
Ken Blake
Apr 7, 2022, 5:53:01 PM4/7/22
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1. The weather is not identical across all of Arizona. It's not all
desert. The northern half can get very cold.
2. Even in the summer half, where I live (Tucson) the seasons are
distinct. Many people here talk about *five* seasons
Winter
Spring
Summer
Rainy (aka monsoon season)
Fall
Ken Blake
Apr 7, 2022, 5:59:40 PM4/7/22
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the way it's done.
The seasons originally referred to plants and farming:
Spring was when crops sprouted
Summer was when crops grew
Fall was when crops were harvested
Winter was when crops died
Then astronomers came along, seized the names of the seasons, and
changed the definitions.
Although in some locations, that was OK, because the astronomical
definitions came close to the farming ones, but not in all locations
lar3ryca
Apr 7, 2022, 6:00:26 PM4/7/22
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Ken Blake
Apr 7, 2022, 6:00:54 PM4/7/22
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are perfect.
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