Coffee House

[David Kleinecke]

I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only
open 7AM to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a
restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?

One suggestion was coffee shop. So the next question
was what exactly is a coffee shop? I - for one - do
not think a restaurant open 7-3 is correctly named
a coffee shop.

What's the situation worldwide?

PS: I had a breakfast burrito. It was so big I took
it home and had it for lunch too. Good.

[Tony Cooper]

On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 20:15:03 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
<dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only
>open 7AM to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a
>restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?
>
>One suggestion was coffee shop. So the next question
>was what exactly is a coffee shop? I - for one - do
>not think a restaurant open 7-3 is correctly named
>a coffee shop.

Seven AM is a bit late for a breakfast/lunch restaurant to open. Six
AM is more likely.

There are several like that in this area. But, there are also a lot
of restaurants that open in the late afternoon and close late at
night. The number of hours a place is open, or what hours, don't
change what I'd call it.

If it serves meals made-to-order, served on dishes, accompanied by
metal utensils, and non-paper drinking vessels, I'd call it a
restaurant. Maybe a "diner", but a diner is a restaurant.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

[Horace LaBadie]

In article <ac94327f-05ef-419e...@googlegroups.com>,

Cafe.

[bill van]

I associate cafes with restaurants that serve liquor.

Anyway, there are no clearly drawn borders between different kinds of
restaurants. The one David is asking about,
I'd call a coffee shop. But some coffee shops are open different hours,
and I'd say this is a coffee shop
that's open for breakfast and lunch. Next question: Do they have
different menus for breakfast and lunch?

I expect this will become one of those aue threads where we discover
that people in other places
have different names for different sorts of restaurants than we do. Bar
and grill? Bistro? etc.

bill

[Mark Brader]

David Kleinecke:

> I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only
> open 7AM to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a
> restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?

Annoying.

And "a restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch".
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "Close your tag and give it a rest, Jason"
m...@vex.net | --FoxTrot (Bill Amend)

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2018-09-22 06:09:27 +0000, Mark Brader said:

> David Kleinecke:
>> I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only
>> open 7AM to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a
>> restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?
>
> Annoying.
>
> And "a restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch".

Yes. We don't really need single words for things like that.


--
athel

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2018-09-22 05:12:47 +0000, bill van said:

> On 2018-09-22 04:58:07 +0000, Horace LaBadie said:
>
>> In article <ac94327f-05ef-419e...@googlegroups.com>,
>> David Kleinecke <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only
>>> open 7AM to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a
>>> restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?
>>>
>>> One suggestion was coffee shop. So the next question
>>> was what exactly is a coffee shop? I - for one - do
>>> not think a restaurant open 7-3 is correctly named
>>> a coffee shop.
>>>
>>> What's the situation worldwide?
>>>
>>> PS: I had a breakfast burrito. It was so big I took
>>> it home and had it for lunch too. Good.
>>
>> Cafe.
>
> I associate cafes with restaurants that serve liquor.

I don't. The cafes (without é and pronounced [kɛɪ̯fs] or [kæfs]) that
existed in England when I were a lad were just bottom of the market
restaurants.

--
athel

[Mack A. Damia]

On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 20:15:03 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
<dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:

Seems to me that breakfast/lunch/sandwich places were called
"luncheonettes", although they do conjure up a scene of counters and
stools, but there were usually a few booths, at least from my
recollection.

[J. J. Lodder]

Dutch has, 'ontbijtcafe', or 'ontbijtrestaurant'.
(an extra space is optional)

Just a random hit in a quick search
<https://www.tripadvisor.nl/Restaurant_Review-g188616-d10227182-Reviews-
Noen-Utrecht.html>

'Noen' is medieval Dutch (somewhat obsolete), also in 'noenmaal',
and of course also wordplay on English 'noon'.
Opening hours 8:00-18:00, so I guess they will do afternoon tea as well,
but no evening meals,

Jan

[Lewis]

In message <jjgbqd5oeg0p3htg6...@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 20:15:03 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
> <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only
>>open 7AM to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a
>>restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?
>>
>>One suggestion was coffee shop. So the next question
>>was what exactly is a coffee shop? I - for one - do
>>not think a restaurant open 7-3 is correctly named
>>a coffee shop.

> Seven AM is a bit late for a breakfast/lunch restaurant to open. Six
> AM is more likely.

You'd think, but the closest decent dine to us opens at 7am, which means
we really cannot go there for breakfast during the school year.

Ah, I see they now open at 6:30, now that one kid is in college and the
other ants nothing to do with us, certainly not anything involving being
seen in public with us.

> There are several like that in this area. But, there are also a lot
> of restaurants that open in the late afternoon and close late at
> night. The number of hours a place is open, or what hours, don't
> change what I'd call it.

No? I wouldn't call anything that opens in the afternoon a diner.

But yes, there are several places that only serve breakfast and lunch,
and I would call them restaurants. There are others that server breakfast
and lunch that I would call coffee shops. There are others that are
right on that line.

Sit down table service is always a restaurant. Counter service? Maybe,
depends on what they have. Is it a real meal like Panera, or munchies
like Starbucks?

> If it serves meals made-to-order, served on dishes, accompanied by
> metal utensils, and non-paper drinking vessels, I'd call it a
> restaurant. Maybe a "diner", but a diner is a restaurant.

Made-to-order might be the line between coffee shop and restaurant.

--
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

[Paul Carmichael]

On 22/09/18 06:24, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 20:15:03 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
> <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only
>> open 7AM to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a
>> restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?
>>
>> One suggestion was coffee shop. So the next question
>> was what exactly is a coffee shop? I - for one - do
>> not think a restaurant open 7-3 is correctly named
>> a coffee shop.
>
> Seven AM is a bit late for a breakfast/lunch restaurant to open. Six
> AM is more likely.

Heh. Breakfast here is 10:30.

Bars are open at 8 so the lorry drivers can have a Pacharán before setting off.

A coffee shop is where one buys soft drugs. In Amsterdam.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/
https://asetrad.org

[Lewis]

In message <g0mdru...@mid.individual.net> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 22/09/18 06:24, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 20:15:03 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
>> <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only
>>> open 7AM to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a
>>> restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?
>>>
>>> One suggestion was coffee shop. So the next question
>>> was what exactly is a coffee shop? I - for one - do
>>> not think a restaurant open 7-3 is correctly named
>>> a coffee shop.
>>
>> Seven AM is a bit late for a breakfast/lunch restaurant to open. Six
>> AM is more likely.

> Heh. Breakfast here is 10:30.

That doesn't work when the kids have to be at school at 7:15 (although
this year is much better, with a start time of 8:27 (yes, 27. No one
knows why).

> A coffee shop is where one buys soft drugs. In Amsterdam.

And, as far as I saw, there's no coffee. Granted, I didn't go in one,
but we passed many and I never saw anyone drinking coffee.

--
I WILL NOT YELL "FIRE" IN A CROWDED CLASSROOM Bart chalkboard Ep. 7G01

[Cheryl]

I don't have a special term for restaurants that are only open for
breakfast or lunch. I certainly wouldn't call them coffee shops - coffee
shops might serve breakfast and lunch, but they're open much longer
hours, sometimes 24 hours, and their main focus is coffee and doughnuts,
even if they also have breakfast and lunch items.

--
Cheryl

[J. J. Lodder]

Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <g0mdru...@mid.individual.net> Paul Carmichael:

> > On 22/09/18 06:24, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 20:15:03 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
> >> <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only
> >>> open 7AM to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a
> >>> restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?
> >>>
> >>> One suggestion was coffee shop. So the next question
> >>> was what exactly is a coffee shop? I - for one - do
> >>> not think a restaurant open 7-3 is correctly named
> >>> a coffee shop.
> >>
> >> Seven AM is a bit late for a breakfast/lunch restaurant to open. Six
> >> AM is more likely.
>
> > Heh. Breakfast here is 10:30.
>
> That doesn't work when the kids have to be at school at 7:15 (although
> this year is much better, with a start time of 8:27 (yes, 27. No one
> knows why).
>
> > A coffee shop is where one buys soft drugs. In Amsterdam.
>
> And, as far as I saw, there's no coffee. Granted, I didn't go in one,
> but we passed many and I never saw anyone drinking coffee.

Just ask for it,

Jan

[Paul Carmichael]

On 22/09/18 12:17, Lewis wrote:
> In message <g0mdru...@mid.individual.net> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

>> A coffee shop is where one buys soft drugs. In Amsterdam.
>
> And, as far as I saw, there's no coffee. Granted, I didn't go in one,
> but we passed many and I never saw anyone drinking coffee.
>

I've seen it lots of times. Game of chess with a joint and a cup of coffee. What you will
very rarely see is alcohol. Mixing alcohol with weed is generally considered a bad idea.

[J. J. Lodder]

Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 22/09/18 12:17, Lewis wrote:

> > In message <g0mdru...@mid.individual.net> Paul Carmichael:

> <snip>
> >> A coffee shop is where one buys soft drugs. In Amsterdam.
> >
> > And, as far as I saw, there's no coffee. Granted, I didn't go in one,
> > but we passed many and I never saw anyone drinking coffee.
> >
>
> I've seen it lots of times. Game of chess with a joint and a cup of
> coffee. What you will very rarely see is alcohol. Mixing alcohol with weed
> is generally considered a bad idea.

Amsterdam's 'coffee shops' do not have permission to sell alcohol,
and are not allowed to tolerate you bringing in any for yourself,

Jan

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 6:17:05 AM UTC-4, Lewis wrote:
> In message <g0mdru...@mid.individual.net> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 22/09/18 06:24, Tony Cooper wrote:

> >> Seven AM is a bit late for a breakfast/lunch restaurant to open. Six
> >> AM is more likely.
> > Heh. Breakfast here is 10:30.
>
> That doesn't work when the kids have to be at school at 7:15 (although
> this year is much better, with a start time of 8:27 (yes, 27. No one
> knows why).

Screwie Lewie doesn't know where Paul's "here" is. Even though he includes
the information at the bottom of every message.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 11:15:05 PM UTC-4, David Kleinecke wrote:

> I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only
> open 7AM to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a
> restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?
>
> One suggestion was coffee shop. So the next question
> was what exactly is a coffee shop? I - for one - do
> not think a restaurant open 7-3 is correctly named
> a coffee shop.
>
> What's the situation worldwide?

I've known a couple such places -- I think one of them may have been in
Nashville, celebrated for waffles -- but there didn't seem to be a special
term.

[occam]

On 22/09/2018 05:15, David Kleinecke wrote:
> I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only
> open 7AM to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a
> restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?

Brunch Cafe.

[bebe...@aol.com]

Le samedi 22 septembre 2018 05:15:05 UTC+2, David Kleinecke a écrit :
> I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only
> open 7AM to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a
> restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?

If it's a restaurant by the criteria (service, etc.) described
elsethread, then simply "breakfast and lunch restaurant", otherwise
"breakfast and lunch place". (Googles returns countless hits for both.)

Apparently, the most common wording is just to use "breakfast and lunch"
as an adjectival phrase before whatever noun is chosen for the business
premises in question. Besides, it has the advantage of dispelling
cross-pondian ambiguities.

[Tony Cooper]

On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 01:09:27 -0500, m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:

>David Kleinecke:
>> I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only
>> open 7AM to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a
>> restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?
>
>Annoying.
>
>And "a restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch".

Most of the restaurants in this area that only serves breakfast and
lunch are in parts of the city that are not mostly residential. There
is less traffic in those parts of the city in the evening hours and
fewer people who dine out for the evening meal.

[Tony Cooper]

On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 08:32:44 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden
<acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:

>On 2018-09-22 05:12:47 +0000, bill van said:
>
>> On 2018-09-22 04:58:07 +0000, Horace LaBadie said:
>>
>>> In article <ac94327f-05ef-419e...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> David Kleinecke <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only
>>>> open 7AM to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a
>>>> restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?
>>>>
>>>> One suggestion was coffee shop. So the next question
>>>> was what exactly is a coffee shop? I - for one - do
>>>> not think a restaurant open 7-3 is correctly named
>>>> a coffee shop.
>>>>
>>>> What's the situation worldwide?
>>>>
>>>> PS: I had a breakfast burrito. It was so big I took
>>>> it home and had it for lunch too. Good.
>>>
>>> Cafe.
>>
>> I associate cafes with restaurants that serve liquor.
>

>I don't. The cafes (without é and pronounced [k???fs] or [kæfs]) that

>existed in England when I were a lad were just bottom of the market
>restaurants.

In the US, as far as I know, the word "cafe" is associated with a
small restaurant with a very limited menu. Sometimes a large office
complex will have a cafe on premises. The word does not signal
anything about the quality of what is served. You might be able to
order sandwiches or salads only in a cafe, but the sandwich, salad,
and general cleanliness of the place will be up to snuff.

[David Kleinecke]

On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 10:12:51 PM UTC-7, bill van wrote:
> On 2018-09-22 04:58:07 +0000, Horace LaBadie said:
>
> > In article <ac94327f-05ef-419e...@googlegroups.com>,
> > David Kleinecke <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only
> >> open 7AM to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a
> >> restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?
> >>
> >> One suggestion was coffee shop. So the next question
> >> was what exactly is a coffee shop? I - for one - do
> >> not think a restaurant open 7-3 is correctly named
> >> a coffee shop.
> >>
> >> What's the situation worldwide?
> >>
> >> PS: I had a breakfast burrito. It was so big I took
> >> it home and had it for lunch too. Good.
> >
> > Cafe.
>
> I associate cafes with restaurants that serve liquor.
>
> Anyway, there are no clearly drawn borders between different kinds of
> restaurants. The one David is asking about,
> I'd call a coffee shop. But some coffee shops are open different hours,
> and I'd say this is a coffee shop
> that's open for breakfast and lunch. Next question: Do they have
> different menus for breakfast and lunch?

Same menu all day.

[RHDraney]

...because it makes it soggy and hard to light....r

[J. J. Lodder]

You can also eat it, with coffee if you want.
It's called spacecake,

Jan

[Peter T. Daniels]

That's similar to the rejoinder to "Don't cast your bread upon the waters."

[bill van]

We are about to legalize marijuana here in Canada in just over a month,
though it doesn't appear that
we are nearly ready. It will probably be messy rollout.

Marijuana that you can eat in baked goods, jelly candies and other
things have been called "edibles" for years
in the black market, and the term has been picked up by new legal
vendors and the media, so I think
it is likely to stick, at least in Canada.

Since this is, as far as I know, the first national marijuana
legalization in the world after a long period
of prohibition, we have interested people and organizations in other
countries watching closely,
and that might result in Canadian approaches and vocabulary being
copied elsewhere.

bill

[David Kleinecke]

The rollout of legal cannabis in California here in the
Emerald Triangle itself is being very messy. About the
only thing everybody respectable agree upon is that the
grows that stay illegal should be eradicated.

[Mark Brader]

Cheryl Perkins:

> I don't have a special term for restaurants that are only open for
> breakfast or lunch. I certainly wouldn't call them coffee shops - coffee
> shops might serve breakfast and lunch, but they're open much longer

> hours, sometimes 24 hours, and their main focus is coffee and doughnuts...

Whereas to me, a coffee shop is an inexpensive ordinary restaurant,
such as there used to be at most motels.
--
Mark Brader "How many pessimists end up by desiring
Toronto the things they fear, in order to prove
m...@vex.net that they are right." -- Robert Mallet

[J. J. Lodder]

That's what they thought in the Netherlands too.
Instead is has become a growth industry that's out of control.
(and idem for synthetic drugs like XTC)

It is going the way of prohibition USA.
Far too much black money is generated,
and it is beginning to surface in highly undesirable ways,

Jan

[J. J. Lodder]

Looking it up: Wikip gives
Dutch, French, Italian Spacecake (originally Dutch, I guess)
Englishes Cannabis edible (dull)
Deutsch Hanfzubereitung (even duller)
Spanish Comidas de cannabis
overdoing it
Polish ?ywno?? z dodatkiem marihuany
and for fun
Esperanto Spackuko

Canada may have to adapt to something less dull,

Jan

[charles]

In article <D8mdnUPWPtAmsDrG...@giganews.com>, Mark Brader

<m...@vex.net> wrote:
> Cheryl Perkins:
> > I don't have a special term for restaurants that are only open for
> > breakfast or lunch. I certainly wouldn't call them coffee shops -
> > coffee shops might serve breakfast and lunch, but they're open much
> > longer hours, sometimes 24 hours, and their main focus is coffee and
> > doughnuts...

> Whereas to me, a coffee shop is an inexpensive ordinary restaurant, such
> as there used to be at most motels.

or the one at our railway station, now sadly closed, that opened ay 05.45
(for those catching the 05.50 train to London) and stayed open until 3pm.
Coffee, or tea, toast (DIY) and various spreads were available.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

[spuorg...@gowanhill.com]

On Saturday, 22 September 2018 11:17:05 UTC+1, Lewis wrote:
> That doesn't work when the kids have to be at school at 7:15 (although
> this year is much better, with a start time of 8:27 (yes, 27. No one
> knows why).

Because people will mentally adjust that to 8.25 rather than 8.30, so even if they're late they're still on time.

A start time of 8.30 means people will still be arriving at 8.32 and pretending they're not really late, but they are.

Owain

[Jerry Friedman]

On 9/22/18 9:29 PM, bill van wrote:
> On 2018-09-22 20:33:35 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:

[bud]

>> You can also eat it, with coffee if you want.
>> It's called spacecake,
>
> We are about to legalize marijuana here in Canada in just over a month,
> though it doesn't appear that
> we are nearly ready. It will probably be messy rollout.
>
> Marijuana that you can eat in baked goods, jelly candies and other
> things have been called "edibles" for years
> in the black market, and the term has been picked up by new legal
> vendors and the media, so I think
> it is likely to stick, at least in Canada.

"Edibles" has been the term for some years for legal medical marijuana
here in New Mexico.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Peter T. Daniels]

Even if smoked rather than incorporated into a baked good or a candy?

New York State has had for a few years legal medical marijuana in any form
other than smoked. The rationale has been far from clear.

New York City has lowered the offence of smoking it in public from the
lowest degree of misdemeanor to a "violation," meaning it's like a parking
ticket. And the police are supposed no longer to do "stop and frisk,"
which was a gimmick for arresting young black and Hispanic men for
possession of small amounts (for personal use; "intent to sell" is rather
more serious).

[Lewis]

No doughnuts at the coffee shop I go to.

And there are a lot of coffee shops that will close in the afternoon,
though I see those more in the downtown area where they probably close
because most the people are going home.

I believe that both the Tim Hortons and the Starbucks on/near UBCO campus
in Kelowna close around 1500 or maybe 1600, but it is possible that was a
summer schedule thing. I will try to remember to ask the kid.

--
Forget the Joneses. I can't keep up with The Simpsons.

[Lewis]

A spectacularly bad idea.


--
Rid yourself of doubt -- or should you? -George Carlin

[Lewis]

The first "edible" I ever heard of, and the only one for many years,
were "Magic brownies".

That would have been mid 70s, though I suspect it's older. I didn't here
of people putting pot into other things until the 2000s.

I do live in the state that first legalized recreational marijuana.

--
Truth is seen through keyholes

[Lewis]

Not in schools here. If you come into the class after the bell rings you
are marked as tardy. After a certain number of tardies (quiet a low
number), you get detention or some other punishment which will escalate.

When I was in school in the same district, all schools started at the
same time, 8:55 for grades K-6 and 7:55 for 7-12. The class started at
8/9 but the first 5 minutes were for attendance, announcement, and
handing out any school paperwork. And people were not nearly as uptight
about tardiness (or even absences).

--
You try to shape the world to what you want the world to be. Carving
your name a thousand times won't bring you back to me. Oh no, no I
might as well go and tell it to the trees. Go and tell it to the trees,
yeah.

[Lewis]

In message <1nvj42b.xr...@de-ster.xs4all.nl> J. J. Lodder <nos...@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
> Lewis <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> In message <g0mdru...@mid.individual.net> Paul Carmichael:

>> > On 22/09/18 06:24, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 20:15:03 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
>> >> <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only
>> >>> open 7AM to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a
>> >>> restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?
>> >>>
>> >>> One suggestion was coffee shop. So the next question
>> >>> was what exactly is a coffee shop? I - for one - do
>> >>> not think a restaurant open 7-3 is correctly named
>> >>> a coffee shop.
>> >>
>> >> Seven AM is a bit late for a breakfast/lunch restaurant to open. Six
>> >> AM is more likely.
>>
>> > Heh. Breakfast here is 10:30.
>>

>> That doesn't work when the kids have to be at school at 7:15 (although
>> this year is much better, with a start time of 8:27 (yes, 27. No one
>> knows why).
>>

>> > A coffee shop is where one buys soft drugs. In Amsterdam.
>>
>> And, as far as I saw, there's no coffee. Granted, I didn't go in one,
>> but we passed many and I never saw anyone drinking coffee.

> Just ask for it,

They were so filled with smoke I wasn't willing to go in. The smoke on
the street was bad enough.

--
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;

[RHDraney]

On 9/23/2018 2:08 AM, charles wrote:
> In article <D8mdnUPWPtAmsDrG...@giganews.com>, Mark Brader
> <m...@vex.net> wrote:
>> Cheryl Perkins:
>>> I don't have a special term for restaurants that are only open for
>>> breakfast or lunch. I certainly wouldn't call them coffee shops -
>>> coffee shops might serve breakfast and lunch, but they're open much
>>> longer hours, sometimes 24 hours, and their main focus is coffee and
>>> doughnuts...
>
>> Whereas to me, a coffee shop is an inexpensive ordinary restaurant, such
>> as there used to be at most motels.
>
> or the one at our railway station, now sadly closed, that opened ay 05.45
> (for those catching the 05.50 train to London) and stayed open until 3pm.
> Coffee, or tea, toast (DIY) and various spreads were available.

My default "coffee shop" has a neon sign outside that simply says "EAT",
and a cigarette machine inside next to the door:

https://youtu.be/F9OCgem4a_k

....r

[RHDraney]

Have I linked this here before?

http://web.newsguy.com/dadoctah/images/church1034.jpg

....r

[Lewis]

It's a pretty wide range of restaurants. Generally, I'd say they are
smaller and like you said, have a somewhat limited menu, but it's one of
those words like "Grill" or "Bistro" that often gets applied in
surprising ways.

For example, here is one in Denver which is supposedly one of the
city's best restaurants. Oh, and it's a Bistro as well.

<http://cafemarmotte.com/>


--
Stupid men are often capable of things the clever would not dare to
contemplate... --Feet of Clay

[Peter Moylan]

On 22/09/18 13:15, David Kleinecke wrote:

> I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only open 7AM
> to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a restaurant that only
> serves breakfast and lunch?
>
> One suggestion was coffee shop. So the next question was what
> exactly is a coffee shop? I - for one - do not think a restaurant
> open 7-3 is correctly named a coffee shop.
>
> What's the situation worldwide?
>
> PS: I had a breakfast burrito. It was so big I took it home and had
> it for lunch too. Good.

I had breakfast this morning at MacDonalds at 10 am. (And lunch at a
pub. We were travelling between towns.) They also serve lunch, so I
imagine that "junk food shop" would serve. I don't know what their
closing time is, but there didn't seem to be anything on the menu that
would serve for dinner, so I presume that they close after lunch.

We could equally have gone to a cafe. Most cafes here are capable of
serving a quite acceptable lunch. And we did seriously consider a fish &
chip shop as an option.

Never a restaurant. If an establishment doesn't offer an evening meal,
it's not a restaurant.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

[Bart Dinnissen]

On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 10:46:54 +0200, in alt.usage.english Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 22/09/18 06:24, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 20:15:03 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke

>> <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only
>>> open 7AM to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a
>>> restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?
>>>
>>> One suggestion was coffee shop. So the next question
>>> was what exactly is a coffee shop? I - for one - do
>>> not think a restaurant open 7-3 is correctly named
>>> a coffee shop.
>>

>> Seven AM is a bit late for a breakfast/lunch restaurant to open. Six
>> AM is more likely.
>
>Heh. Breakfast here is 10:30.
>

>Bars are open at 8 so the lorry drivers can have a Pacharán before setting off.

>
>A coffee shop is where one buys soft drugs.

I agree.

>In Amsterdam.

And every other city in The Netherlands.

--
Bart Dinnissen

[Tony Cooper]

While that may be the case in Oz, it is not the case in the US. A
"restaurant" is a term that can be, and is, applied to any
establishment that serves any meals to the public.

The fast-food group is excluded from restaurant status by some, but by
no means all. Ask an American where the nearest restaurant is, and
some will include a McDs or BK. The questioned is taken as "Where is
the nearest place I can get something to eat?", and it is conceivable
that you will be willing to eat a Big Mac or the like.

[David Kleinecke]

Illegal grows are going to be finished off because the
environmentalists are out to get them. Now it is possible
to be a tree-hugger and pot-farmer at the same time and
urge the national forests to get rid of the destructive
illegal grows.

What scares the locals is the prospect of vast legal
cannabis farms in the valley producing and under-selling
the boutique pot from Humboldt County.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 12:57:14 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 01:42:26 +1000, Peter Moylan
> <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On 22/09/18 13:15, David Kleinecke wrote:
> >
> >> I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only open 7AM
> >> to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a restaurant that only
> >> serves breakfast and lunch?
> >>
> >> One suggestion was coffee shop. So the next question was what
> >> exactly is a coffee shop? I - for one - do not think a restaurant
> >> open 7-3 is correctly named a coffee shop.
> >>
> >> What's the situation worldwide?
> >>
> >> PS: I had a breakfast burrito. It was so big I took it home and had
> >> it for lunch too. Good.
> >
> >I had breakfast this morning at MacDonalds at 10 am. (And lunch at a
> >pub. We were travelling between towns.) They also serve lunch, so I
> >imagine that "junk food shop" would serve. I don't know what their
> >closing time is, but there didn't seem to be anything on the menu that
> >would serve for dinner, so I presume that they close after lunch.
> >
> >We could equally have gone to a cafe. Most cafes here are capable of
> >serving a quite acceptable lunch. And we did seriously consider a fish &
> >chip shop as an option.
> >
> >Never a restaurant. If an establishment doesn't offer an evening meal,
> >it's not a restaurant.
>
> While that may be the case in Oz,

Or, as you are so quick to complain about in other cases, it might be
PM's own opinion.

[Mark Brader]

Tony Cooper:

> While that may be the case in Oz, it is not the case in the US. A
> "restaurant" is a term that can be, and is, applied to any
> establishment that serves any meals to the public.
>
> The fast-food group is excluded from restaurant status by some, but by
> no means all. Ask an American where the nearest restaurant is, and
> some will include a McDs or BK. The questioned is taken as "Where is

> the nearest place I can get something to eat?" ...

Well, make that some *cooked* food, at least. I don't think a store
selling potato chips and chocolate bars would be counted as a restaurant
by anyone.
--
Mark Brader "All this government stuff, in other words,
Toronto is not reading matter, but prefabricated
m...@vex.net parts of quarrels." -- Rudolf Flesch

[John Varela]

On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 06:07:55 UTC, m...@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:

> Cheryl Perkins:
> > I don't have a special term for restaurants that are only open for
> > breakfast or lunch. I certainly wouldn't call them coffee shops - coffee
> > shops might serve breakfast and lunch, but they're open much longer
> > hours, sometimes 24 hours, and their main focus is coffee and doughnuts...
>
> Whereas to me, a coffee shop is an inexpensive ordinary restaurant,
> such as there used to be at most motels.

And hotels.

--
John Varela

[Jerry Friedman]

On 9/23/18 6:59 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 8:48:50 AM UTC-4, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>> On 9/22/18 9:29 PM, bill van wrote:
>>> On 2018-09-22 20:33:35 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>>
>> [bud]
>>
>>>> You can also eat it, with coffee if you want.
>>>> It's called spacecake,
>>>
>>> We are about to legalize marijuana here in Canada in just over a month,
>>> though it doesn't appear that
>>> we are nearly ready. It will probably be messy rollout.
>>>
>>> Marijuana that you can eat in baked goods, jelly candies and other
>>> things have been called "edibles" for years
>>> in the black market, and the term has been picked up by new legal
>>> vendors and the media, so I think
>>> it is likely to stick, at least in Canada.
>>
>> "Edibles" has been the term for some years for legal medical marijuana
>> here in New Mexico.
>
> Even if smoked rather than incorporated into a baked good or a candy?

No, I left out "in edible form" or something.

> New York State has had for a few years legal medical marijuana in any form
> other than smoked. The rationale has been far from clear.

...

Medically speaking, breathing smoke isn't a good idea, as I've had
occasion to mention to one or two people.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Jerry Friedman]

On 9/23/18 3:28 PM, Mark Brader wrote:
> Tony Cooper:
>> While that may be the case in Oz, it is not the case in the US. A
>> "restaurant" is a term that can be, and is, applied to any
>> establishment that serves any meals to the public.
>>
>> The fast-food group is excluded from restaurant status by some, but by
>> no means all. Ask an American where the nearest restaurant is, and
>> some will include a McDs or BK. The questioned is taken as "Where is
>> the nearest place I can get something to eat?" ...
>
> Well, make that some *cooked* food, at least. I don't think a store
> selling potato chips and chocolate bars would be counted as a restaurant
> by anyone.

Though potato chips are cooked and I think you could make a case that
chocolate bars are.

I'm not sure I'd call a Sonic drive-in a restaurant, though no doubt
some people would, more if asked where the nearest restaurant is.

--
Jerry Friedman

[John Varela]

On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 13:49:17 UTC, Tony Cooper

<tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 08:32:44 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden
> <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
>
> >On 2018-09-22 05:12:47 +0000, bill van said:
> >
> >> On 2018-09-22 04:58:07 +0000, Horace LaBadie said:
> >>
> >>> In article <ac94327f-05ef-419e...@googlegroups.com>,

> >>> David Kleinecke <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only
> >>>> open 7AM to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a
> >>>> restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?
> >>>>
> >>>> One suggestion was coffee shop. So the next question
> >>>> was what exactly is a coffee shop? I - for one - do
> >>>> not think a restaurant open 7-3 is correctly named
> >>>> a coffee shop.
> >>>>
> >>>> What's the situation worldwide?
> >>>>
> >>>> PS: I had a breakfast burrito. It was so big I took
> >>>> it home and had it for lunch too. Good.
> >>>

> >>> Cafe.
> >>
> >> I associate cafes with restaurants that serve liquor.
> >
> >I don't. The cafes (without é and pronounced [k???fs] or [kæfs]) that
> >existed in England when I were a lad were just bottom of the market
> >restaurants.
>
> In the US, as far as I know, the word "cafe" is associated with a
> small restaurant with a very limited menu. Sometimes a large office
> complex will have a cafe on premises. The word does not signal
> anything about the quality of what is served. You might be able to
> order sandwiches or salads only in a cafe, but the sandwich, salad,
> and general cleanliness of the place will be up to snuff.

Off hand, I can't think of any eating place in the DC area that uses
the word "café" except maybe McDonalds. We have bistros and
ristorantes and auberges and grills and all sorts of things
including "cuisines" but no cafés that I recall.

--
John Varela

[Tony Cooper]

You can get a rather substantial meal at a Sonic, so I would consider
Sonic a restaurant in that sense. However, the Florida Sonics (I know
nothing about Sonics in other states) have only outside seating for
those who don't chose to eat in their vehicle. It's under a roof, but
outside. That removes is from the "restaurant" group for me, but not
from the "place where I can get something to eat".

[Jerry Friedman]

Maybe it's a Four Corners thing (v. Lewis's response). The two
supposedly best restaurants in Santa Fe are the Coyote Café and the
Santacafé. At least, that was true twenty-some years ago, when I knew
the reputations of expensive restaurants.

--
Jerry Friedman

[David Kleinecke]

Up here it appears there are no restaurants that are known as
good but expensive. It seems Humboldt County is too poor to
support any. So everybody has opinions about where's the best
place to eat. There are places better than MacDonald's but not
too much better.

[Tony Cooper]

If you open an eating establishment, you can name it whatever you
want. You can call it a restaurant, a cafe, a bistro, a gastropub, or
a diner. That's exercising choice in naming.

What I said is that "cafe" is associated with a small restaurant with
a very limited menu. That's a perception based on just the use of the
term. That doesn't mean you will find a small restaurant with a very
limited menu when you go to a place that's got "Cafe" in the name.

[bill van]

On 2018-09-23 13:28:13 +0000, Lewis said:
>
> The first "edible" I ever heard of, and the only one for many years,
> were "Magic brownies".
>
> That would have been mid 70s, though I suspect it's older. I didn't here
> of people putting pot into other things until the 2000s.
>
> I do live in the state that first legalized recreational marijuana.

I can take "hash brownies", which is what we called them, back to the
mid-1960s in Canada.
That's only a year or two after marijuana started becoming available
here to people my age,
around 18 to 20, i.e. the leading edge of the baby boom generation.

My understanding is that this occurred a few years earlier in some U.S.
centres,
notably the Bay Area.

Of course, various subcultures -- jazz musicians, for an easy example
-- had known about
marijuana since the form was developed. Think Cab Calloway and his
song, "That Funny,
Funny Reefer Man". Louis Armstrong was once busted for possession.

I knew by 1968 that a hash brownie took an hour or so to start affecting you,
leading to endless jokes and tall tales about people who thought nothing
was happening and ate another, and another. In practice, the people who
gave or sold them to you would generally warn you if you seemed inexperienced.

I also learned that brownies/edibles gave you got more of what we
called "a body stone"
than the "head stone" you got from smoking, and that the former also
lasted longer.

Good times, but I'm less adventurous now.

bill

[bill van]

If you had to drive home or perform other delicate tasks, certainly.
But young people who want to party have been mixing
the two since day one, and still are.

That's one reason jurisdictions that set age limits for legal marijuana
will continue to have demand for black-market pot.

bill

[bill van]

Good luck making that stick. Here in Vancouver we have a semi-upscale
chain that hired a celebrity chef to oversee the extensive menu
and called itself the Cactus Club Cafe. Appetizers are in the $10 to $20 range
and main courses $30 to $50. There are more expensive restaurants,
and the Cactus Club Cafe sits between them and budget eateries.

As I tried to say early in this thread, restaurant owners can call them
anything they want, and their customers can call them anything they
want, and there's nothing you can do about it.

You can describe usage, but you can't control it.

bill

[Cheryl]

A quick google reveals several in St. John's, including some with "Cafe"
in the name, and a couple I would call coffee shops (indeed, one at
least is called a "Coffee Bar"). I've eaten in a few of them, and they
vary considerably. You can get a meal in all of them, I think, except
possibly the Newfoundland Chocolate Cafe. I haven't been there, but
their other branch doesn't offer meals as far as I can recall. They
specialize in food and drinks made with chocolate. The Classic Cafe
offers good meals of a fairly standard type and moderate cost, or did
last time I ate there, but the Hungry Heart (which I personally wouldn't
have called a cafe) has a more modern (although narrow) but very
delicious and more expensive menu. I'd have called the Rocket, one of my
favourites, more of a deli than a cafe, although you can certainly buy a
light meal there.


--
Cheryl

[Peter T. Daniels]

But there are some ills for which edibles (or the other options) aren't
appropriate -- I think glaucoma is said to be one.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 6:21:38 PM UTC-4, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On 9/23/18 3:28 PM, Mark Brader wrote:
> > Tony Cooper:
> >> While that may be the case in Oz, it is not the case in the US. A
> >> "restaurant" is a term that can be, and is, applied to any
> >> establishment that serves any meals to the public.
> >>
> >> The fast-food group is excluded from restaurant status by some, but by
> >> no means all. Ask an American where the nearest restaurant is, and
> >> some will include a McDs or BK. The questioned is taken as "Where is
> >> the nearest place I can get something to eat?" ...
> >
> > Well, make that some *cooked* food, at least. I don't think a store
> > selling potato chips and chocolate bars would be counted as a restaurant
> > by anyone.
>
> Though potato chips are cooked and I think you could make a case that
> chocolate bars are.

There are myriad ways of preparing chocolate candy, all of them involving
heating, to different degrees, for different times, etc., and the bars are
formed by pouring the molten chocolate into molds. Shirley, that's cooking.

> I'm not sure I'd call a Sonic drive-in a restaurant, though no doubt
> some people would, more if asked where the nearest restaurant is.

We'd been getting their commercials for months, and one finally opened on
the road leding to Sam's Club and Walmart in Secaucus, and it turns out
to be not a fast food place at all, but a sit-down restaurant with table
seating and waiters.

One of the regulars on *Wait Wait Don't Tell Me* is the guy behind the
steering wheel in those commercials.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 6:46:48 PM UTC-4, John Varela wrote:

> Off hand, I can't think of any eating place in the DC area that uses
> the word "café" except maybe McDonalds. We have bistros and
> ristorantes and auberges and grills and all sorts of things
> including "cuisines" but no cafés that I recall.

McDonalds sells its coffee preparations and desserts as "McCafé." Not the
same thing.

[David Kleinecke]

On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 7:44:06 PM UTC-7, bill van wrote:
> On 2018-09-23 13:28:13 +0000, Lewis said:
> >
> > The first "edible" I ever heard of, and the only one for many years,
> > were "Magic brownies".
> >
> > That would have been mid 70s, though I suspect it's older. I didn't here
> > of people putting pot into other things until the 2000s.
> >
> > I do live in the state that first legalized recreational marijuana.
>
> I can take "hash brownies", which is what we called them, back to the
> mid-1960s in Canada.
> That's only a year or two after marijuana started becoming available
> here to people my age,
> around 18 to 20, i.e. the leading edge of the baby boom generation.
>
> My understanding is that this occurred a few years earlier in some U.S.
> centres,
> notably the Bay Area.

Widely smoked - in the greater Bay Area - during WW II. I
got my first puff from a group of Marines who made a serious
effort to get me to join their party. But I was on my way to
my parent's home and didn't want to stop.

[occam]

On 23/09/2018 17:42, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 22/09/18 13:15, David Kleinecke wrote:
>
>> I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only open 7AM
>> to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a restaurant that only
>> serves breakfast and lunch?
>>

<snip>

>
> Never a restaurant. If an establishment doesn't offer an evening meal,
> it's not a restaurant.
>

By that token, most pubs in London would qualify as a 'restaurant'. (I'd
object to that dependency for a definition of a restaurant.) Conversely,
there are plenty of restaurants in inner cities - where people come to
work but not live - which are not open in the evening. After work,
people either go to a pub or home, making an evening opening unviable.

[Peter Moylan]

I hope it was clear that I was offering examples of AusE terminology. We
already know that the definitions are different in different countries.

[Tony Cooper]

I think, in this area of discussion, that it's clear that the termini
logy to describe a place to eat is not standard to all people in any
country.

[Ken Blake]

On 23 Sep 2018 22:46:44 GMT, "John Varela" <newl...@verizon.net>
wrote:

>Off hand, I can't think of any eating place in the DC area that uses
>the word "café" except maybe McDonalds. We have bistros and
>ristorantes and auberges and grills and all sorts of things
>including "cuisines" but no cafés that I recall.

I just googled Cafe Tucson. Although Tucson is considerably smaller
than DC, there are at least three dozen places that call themselves
cafes. If I'd look harder, I'd probably find even more.

[John Varela]

On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:31:17 UTC, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

I stand corrected. Taking your suggestion, I googled and found lots
of cafés in both DC and Northern Virginia. To my surprise, one of
our favorite more-or-less local places, whose signage and menus are
all labeled "La Côte d'Or" is, on its Web site, officially "La Côte
d'Or Café".

--
John Varela

[Joy Beeson]

On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 20:15:03 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
<dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:

> what do you call a
> restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?

Zale's Drug Store's lunch counter.

--
Joy Beeson, U.S.A., mostly central Hoosier,
some Northern Indiana, Upstate New York, Florida, and Hawaii
joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.




---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
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[Tony Cooper]

On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 22:13:07 -0400, Joy Beeson
<jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 20:15:03 -0700 (PDT), David Kleinecke
><dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> what do you call a
>> restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?
>
>Zale's Drug Store's lunch counter.

Not too many of those left anymore. This one is a drug store in New
Smyrna Beach, FL:

https://photos.smugmug.com/Candids/i-sTHG72j/0/267697b3/O/2014-10-22-17.jpg

At one time, many drug stores and dime stores had lunch counters. Glad
to see that Warsaw still has one. I see that the one in Warsaw is
called a "luncheonette". Don't see that word much anymore, either.

[Lewis]

In message <po9je8$tas$1...@dont-email.me> bill van <bill...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-09-23 13:23:27 +0000, Lewis said:

>> In message <g0mn1t...@mid.individual.net> Paul Carmichael
>> <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 22/09/18 12:17, Lewis wrote:
>>>> In message <g0mdru...@mid.individual.net> Paul Carmichael
>>>> <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>> A coffee shop is where one buys soft drugs. In Amsterdam.
>>>>
>>>> And, as far as I saw, there's no coffee. Granted, I didn't go in one,
>>>> but we passed many and I never saw anyone drinking coffee.
>>>>
>>
>>> I've seen it lots of times. Game of chess with a joint and a cup of
>>> coffee. What you will very rarely see is alcohol. Mixing alcohol with
>>> weed is generally considered a bad idea.
>>
>> A spectacularly bad idea.

> If you had to drive home or perform other delicate tasks, certainly.

Not just that. It's really quite a powerful combination.

> But young people who want to party have been mixing
> the two since day one, and still are.

If you say so, but not anyone I knew. The "stoners" were a completely
separate group from the drinkers in my schools. The two did not mix, and
the stoners did not drink.

Also, at least as far as I know, there were no drinkers in Jr High, but
there were plenty of kids smoking a joint before school. I know this
because I was one of those kids.

Even in college, it was very rare to see someone doing both.

> That's one reason jurisdictions that set age limits for legal marijuana
> will continue to have demand for black-market pot.

The reason for that is that kids don't care about the laws and will get
pot or alcohol if they want it.

--
'Where do shadows come from? That's where the wind is blowing!' --Colour
of Magic

[Lewis]

In message <po9j1j$ri3$1...@dont-email.me> bill van <bill...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-09-23 13:28:13 +0000, Lewis said:
>>
>> The first "edible" I ever heard of, and the only one for many years,
>> were "Magic brownies".
>>
>> That would have been mid 70s, though I suspect it's older. I didn't here
>> of people putting pot into other things until the 2000s.
>>
>> I do live in the state that first legalized recreational marijuana.

> I can take "hash brownies", which is what we called them, back to the
> mid-1960s in Canada.

Were you has brownies made with hash? Ours were. At least here, we
classified those as two different things, along the lines of
differentiating between wine and Bacardi 151.

A magic brownie you'd eat a regular sized brownie. A hash brownie you
would divide into 9ths and share one brownie amongst the whole group.

--
When this kiss is over it will start again
But not be any different could be exactly the same
It's hard to imagine that nothing at all
Could be so exciting, could be this much fun

[Lewis]

In message <po85g...@news2.newsguy.com> RHDraney <dado...@cox.net> wrote:
> On 9/23/2018 2:08 AM, charles wrote:
>> In article <D8mdnUPWPtAmsDrG...@giganews.com>, Mark Brader

>> <m...@vex.net> wrote:
>>> Cheryl Perkins:
>>>> I don't have a special term for restaurants that are only open for
>>>> breakfast or lunch. I certainly wouldn't call them coffee shops -
>>>> coffee shops might serve breakfast and lunch, but they're open much
>>>> longer hours, sometimes 24 hours, and their main focus is coffee and
>>>> doughnuts...
>>
>>> Whereas to me, a coffee shop is an inexpensive ordinary restaurant, such
>>> as there used to be at most motels.
>>

>> or the one at our railway station, now sadly closed, that opened ay 05.45
>> (for those catching the 05.50 train to London) and stayed open until 3pm.
>> Coffee, or tea, toast (DIY) and various spreads were available.

> My default "coffee shop" has a neon sign outside that simply says "EAT",
> and a cigarette machine inside next to the door:

Wow. I though cigarette machines had been banned. I haven't seen one in
... 20 years? Maybe more.

> https://youtu.be/F9OCgem4a_k

That's a mighty suggestive ad...


--
Science is the foot that kicks magic square in the nuts.

[Lewis]

That's how the Sonics here are as well. Basically, they are the old A&W
drive in.


--
In the 60's, people took acid to make the world appear weird. Now the
world is weird and people take Prozac to make it appear normal.

[Tony Cooper]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 13:27:34 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>>>I'm not sure I'd call a Sonic drive-in a restaurant, though no doubt
>>>some people would, more if asked where the nearest restaurant is.
>
>> You can get a rather substantial meal at a Sonic, so I would consider
>> Sonic a restaurant in that sense. However, the Florida Sonics (I know
>> nothing about Sonics in other states) have only outside seating for
>> those who don't chose to eat in their vehicle. It's under a roof, but
>> outside. That removes is from the "restaurant" group for me, but not
>> from the "place where I can get something to eat".
>
>That's how the Sonics here are as well. Basically, they are the old A&W
>drive in.

The A&W was the place to go back in Indianapolis in the 50s. Drive-in,
tray on the window, and frosted glass mugs.

There's a Long John Silver/A&W in this area, but it's not a drive in.
No glass mugs. It ain't the same.

I haven't been to the Sonic here recently, but I heard they stopped
having the servers wear roller skates for "safety reasons".

[Jerry Friedman]

On 9/23/18 7:23 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 17:46:47 -0600, Jerry Friedman
> <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/23/18 4:46 PM, John Varela wrote:
>>> On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 13:49:17 UTC, Tony Cooper
>>> <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:

...

>>>> In the US, as far as I know, the word "cafe" is associated with a
>>>> small restaurant with a very limited menu. Sometimes a large office
>>>> complex will have a cafe on premises. The word does not signal
>>>> anything about the quality of what is served. You might be able to
>>>> order sandwiches or salads only in a cafe, but the sandwich, salad,
>>>> and general cleanliness of the place will be up to snuff.
>>>
>>> Off hand, I can't think of any eating place in the DC area that uses
>>> the word "café" except maybe McDonalds. We have bistros and
>>> ristorantes and auberges and grills and all sorts of things
>>> including "cuisines" but no cafés that I recall.
>>
>> Maybe it's a Four Corners thing (v. Lewis's response). The two
>> supposedly best restaurants in Santa Fe are the Coyote Café and the
>> Santacafé. At least, that was true twenty-some years ago, when I knew
>> the reputations of expensive restaurants.
>
> If you open an eating establishment, you can name it whatever you
> want. You can call it a restaurant, a cafe, a bistro, a gastropub, or
> a diner. That's exercising choice in naming.
>
> What I said is that "cafe" is associated with a small restaurant with
> a very limited menu. That's a perception based on just the use of the
> term. That doesn't mean you will find a small restaurant with a very
> limited menu when you go to a place that's got "Cafe" in the name.

Maybe I should have snipped more, but maybe it should have been clear
that I was responding to John's comment about the names of eating
places, not your comment about the associations of the word.

My associations with "café" are pretty slight. "Ballad of the Sad Café"
definitely means the kind of place you described, but "We stopped for
lunch at a café near there" doesn't bring much to mind.

--
Jerry Friedman

[bill van]

On 2018-09-25 13:21:31 +0000, Lewis said:

> In message <po9j1j$ri3$1...@dont-email.me> bill van <bill...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> On 2018-09-23 13:28:13 +0000, Lewis said:
>>>
>>> The first "edible" I ever heard of, and the only one for many years,
>>> were "Magic brownies".
>>>
>>> That would have been mid 70s, though I suspect it's older. I didn't here
>>> of people putting pot into other things until the 2000s.
>>>
>>> I do live in the state that first legalized recreational marijuana.
>
>> I can take "hash brownies", which is what we called them, back to the
>> mid-1960s in Canada.
>
> Were you has brownies made with hash? Ours were. At least here, we
> classified those as two different things, along the lines of
> differentiating between wine and Bacardi 151.
>
> A magic brownie you'd eat a regular sized brownie. A hash brownie you
> would divide into 9ths and share one brownie amongst the whole group.

My experience with them was limited because, like hallucinogenics, hash
brownies
demanded too much time for my liking. But in the early days of marijuana, hash
was nearly as readily available as weed. I never made has brownies
myself but I had
the impression that they were easier to make, and therefore more common.

bill

[bill van]

Is the A&W name still in use in the U.S.? The Canadian arm was spun off
in the 1970s, and has become the second-largest burger chain in the country,
second only to McDonald's. I'm pretty sure all the A&W drive-ins are
gone. They're
typically found on food floors in downtown areas and shopping malls.

bill

[Tony Cooper]

Yes. In the US, A&W is part of the Keurig Dr Pepper group who
licenses the brand to Yum! Brands. The Yum! group operates Long John
Silver's, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, and Kentucky Fried Chicken.

The only A&W outlet that I'm aware of in this area shares space with a
Long John Silver's. Yum! Brands likes to do that. The local Taco
Bell shares with Pizza Hut. One building, one crew, one kitchen, one
counter.

[Jerry Friedman]

On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 4:53:58 PM UTC-6, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 16:21:34 -0600, Jerry Friedman
> <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:

...

> >I'm not sure I'd call a Sonic drive-in a restaurant, though no doubt
> >some people would, more if asked where the nearest restaurant is.
>
> You can get a rather substantial meal at a Sonic, so I would consider
> Sonic a restaurant in that sense. However, the Florida Sonics (I know
> nothing about Sonics in other states) have only outside seating for
> those who don't chose to eat in their vehicle.

Same in northern N. M.

> It's under a roof, but outside.

Does that make it a chickee?

> That removes is from the "restaurant" group for me, but not
> from the "place where I can get something to eat".

Gremlins appear to have removed my sentence saying that part of
my definition of "restaurant" may include an indoor seating and
eating area.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Jerry Friedman]

On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 9:38:05 PM UTC-6, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 6:21:38 PM UTC-4, Jerry Friedman wrote:

...

> > I'm not sure I'd call a Sonic drive-in a restaurant, though no doubt
> > some people would, more if asked where the nearest restaurant is.
>
> We'd been getting their commercials for months, and one finally opened on
> the road leding to Sam's Club and Walmart in Secaucus, and it turns out
> to be not a fast food place at all, but a sit-down restaurant with table
> seating and waiters.

...

Right habitat, wrong habitus.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Tony Cooper]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:13:13 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Friedman
<jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 4:53:58 PM UTC-6, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 16:21:34 -0600, Jerry Friedman
>> <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>...
>
>> >I'm not sure I'd call a Sonic drive-in a restaurant, though no doubt
>> >some people would, more if asked where the nearest restaurant is.
>>
>> You can get a rather substantial meal at a Sonic, so I would consider
>> Sonic a restaurant in that sense. However, the Florida Sonics (I know
>> nothing about Sonics in other states) have only outside seating for
>> those who don't chose to eat in their vehicle.
>
>Same in northern N. M.
>
>> It's under a roof, but outside.
>
>Does that make it a chickee?

Only if they build one with a thatched roof in or near the Brighton
Seminole Indian Reservation.

>
>> That removes is from the "restaurant" group for me, but not
>> from the "place where I can get something to eat".
>
>Gremlins appear to have removed my sentence saying that part of
>my definition of "restaurant" may include an indoor seating and
>eating area.
--

[Peter T. Daniels]

That's Tony's modus operandi. If there's something he can't disagree with,
but which doesn't support his point, he deletes it.

[Lewis]

In message <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-6J0WWtVVpQXr@localhost> John Varela <newl...@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 13:49:17 UTC, Tony Cooper
> <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:

>> On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 08:32:44 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden
>> <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
>>
>> >On 2018-09-22 05:12:47 +0000, bill van said:
>> >
>> >> On 2018-09-22 04:58:07 +0000, Horace LaBadie said:
>> >>
>> >>> In article <ac94327f-05ef-419e...@googlegroups.com>,

>> >>> David Kleinecke <dklei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I had breakfast this morning at a restaurant that is only

>> >>>> open 7AM to 3PM. Question arose - what do you call a

>> >>>> restaurant that only serves breakfast and lunch?
>> >>>>

>> >>>> One suggestion was coffee shop. So the next question
>> >>>> was what exactly is a coffee shop? I - for one - do
>> >>>> not think a restaurant open 7-3 is correctly named
>> >>>> a coffee shop.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What's the situation worldwide?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> PS: I had a breakfast burrito. It was so big I took
>> >>>> it home and had it for lunch too. Good.
>> >>>
>> >>> Cafe.
>> >>
>> >> I associate cafes with restaurants that serve liquor.
>> >
>> >I don't. The cafes (without é and pronounced [k???fs] or [kæfs]) that
>> >existed in England when I were a lad were just bottom of the market
>> >restaurants.
>>

>> In the US, as far as I know, the word "cafe" is associated with a
>> small restaurant with a very limited menu. Sometimes a large office
>> complex will have a cafe on premises. The word does not signal
>> anything about the quality of what is served. You might be able to
>> order sandwiches or salads only in a cafe, but the sandwich, salad,
>> and general cleanliness of the place will be up to snuff.
>
> Off hand, I can't think of any eating place in the DC area that uses
> the word "café" except maybe McDonalds. We have bistros and
> ristorantes and auberges and grills and all sorts of things
> including "cuisines" but no cafés that I recall.

Kramerbooks Cafe is one I have been to in DC.

--
'They were myths and they were real,' he said loudly. 'Both a wave and a
particle.' --Guards! Guards!

[Lewis]

I was at Sonic within the last week and the carhop was on skates. I was
using the drive-thru, but their crosswalk goes directly in front of
where you wait at the window. So maybe it's a Florida thing?

I've never seen the appeal of the tray-on-the-window, myself.

(I generally avoid drive-thrus and given the choice will park and go in
to order at a place tat has one since I find the order accuracy jumps at
least an order of magnitude, but sonic is the exception.)

Sonic also has a great "happy hour" in the afternoon where you can get
drinks and corndogs for half price. I am a sucker for corndogs, so I
will occasionally go get a large diet limeade and two corndogs as a late
lunch,

--
The truth isn't easily pinned to a page. In the bathtub of history the
truth is harder to hold than soap, and much more difficult to find...

[Lewis]

Yes, but they are no longer drive-in spots. There was one old style A&W
in one of the mountain towns in Colorado for a long time, I forget which
one., but it is long gone.

> The Canadian arm was spun off in the 1970s, and has become the
> second-largest burger chain in the country, second only to McDonald's.
> I'm pretty sure all the A&W drive-ins are gone. They're typically
> found on food floors in downtown areas and shopping malls.

They are much the same here, only far less successful: typical stand-
alone of combo fast food places. The nearest one to us, I think, is a
KFC/A&W, but there are also at Long Jon Silver/A&W and I think even a
Taco Bell/A&W.

They're a lot more common in Canada.

--
Try to realize it's all within yourself/No one else can make you change

[Tony Cooper]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 09:55:25 -0000 (UTC), Lewis

<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>In message <1kfkqd5q2plsrik51...@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 13:27:34 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
>> <g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>
>>>>>I'm not sure I'd call a Sonic drive-in a restaurant, though no doubt
>>>>>some people would, more if asked where the nearest restaurant is.
>>>
>>>> You can get a rather substantial meal at a Sonic, so I would consider
>>>> Sonic a restaurant in that sense. However, the Florida Sonics (I know
>>>> nothing about Sonics in other states) have only outside seating for
>>>> those who don't chose to eat in their vehicle. It's under a roof, but
>>>> outside. That removes is from the "restaurant" group for me, but not
>>>> from the "place where I can get something to eat".
>>>
>>>That's how the Sonics here are as well. Basically, they are the old A&W
>>>drive in.
>
>> The A&W was the place to go back in Indianapolis in the 50s. Drive-in,
>> tray on the window, and frosted glass mugs.
>
>> There's a Long John Silver/A&W in this area, but it's not a drive in.
>> No glass mugs. It ain't the same.
>
>> I haven't been to the Sonic here recently, but I heard they stopped
>> having the servers wear roller skates for "safety reasons".
>
>I was at Sonic within the last week and the carhop was on skates. I was
>using the drive-thru, but their crosswalk goes directly in front of
>where you wait at the window. So maybe it's a Florida thing?

Sonics are owned by franchisees. The local Sonic announced that the
servers would no longer be on roller skates, but I don't know if they
implemented that policy. It could have been an insurance issue with
the franchisee. The location may have withdrawn that change in
policy.

[RHDraney]

On 9/26/2018 2:59 AM, Lewis wrote:
>
> They are much the same here, only far less successful: typical stand-
> alone of combo fast food places. The nearest one to us, I think, is a
> KFC/A&W, but there are also at Long Jon Silver/A&W and I think even a
> Taco Bell/A&W.

All the Long John Silvers around here (and there aren't many) are paired
with Taco Bell...this works out well, because refried beans make a much
better side dish with the fish or chicken planks than those damn hush
puppies....r

[Peter T. Daniels]

Hallelujah! I have never had a real hush puppy, so my only impression
of them were those balls of library paste laid next to the cole slaw.
Maybe they're supposed to be more like matzoh balls?

[charles]

In article <6f89a17b-454b-4c90...@googlegroups.com>, Peter

over here, "Hush Puppies" are a make of shoes.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

[Tony Cooper]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 20:26:37 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
wrote:

As they are over here when both words are capitalized. In lower case,
they are small balls of deep-fried cornmeal. Like anything else, how
good they are depends on how they are prepared. The fast-food places
like LJS's leave them in the deep-fryer too long and don't change the
oil frequently enough or use the right oil.

Done right, they are tasty.

[RHDraney]

Too much onion in them, regardless of who makes them....r

[Lewis]

Hush puppies are the only thing LJS has that I like.

--
I don't need no stinking taglines.

[Lewis]

The worst thing you can do to a deep fryer is change the oil. NEVER
change the oil.

--
From deep inside the tears that I'm forced to cry From deep inside the
pain I--I chose to hide

[Jerry Friedman]

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 2:30:18 PM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
> In message <40onqddi8skvmqkef...@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@invalid.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 20:26:37 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>

...

> >>over here, "Hush Puppies" are a make of shoes.
>
> > As they are over here when both words are capitalized. In lower case,
> > they are small balls of deep-fried cornmeal. Like anything else, how
> > good they are depends on how they are prepared. The fast-food places
> > like LJS's leave them in the deep-fryer too long and don't change the
> > oil frequently enough or use the right oil.
>
> The worst thing you can do to a deep fryer is change the oil. NEVER
> change the oil.

The worst thing you can do /with/ a deep fryer is use
it.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Jerry Friedman]

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 9:53:51 AM UTC-6, RHDraney wrote:
> On 9/26/2018 2:59 AM, Lewis wrote:
> >
> > They are much the same here, only far less successful: typical stand-
> > alone of combo fast food places. The nearest one to us, I think, is a
> > KFC/A&W, but there are also at Long Jon Silver/A&W and I think even a
> > Taco Bell/A&W.
>
> All the Long John Silvers around here (and there aren't many) are paired
> with Taco Bell...

None of the Long Johns, KFCs, or Taco Bells around here are
paired with anything. I had no idea they were related.

> this works out well, because refried beans make a much
> better side dish with the fish or chicken planks than those damn hush
> puppies....r

Even if they're TB refrieds?

--
Jerry Friedman

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

Best use is for demoing at a Firefighter exhibition (open air, natch)

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 20:46:22 GMT, Jerry Friedman
<jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote: