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Lars

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May 31, 2009, 3:26:32 PM5/31/09
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What is the English word for a female dog owner?

Well, not owner as such, but the female version of a dogs master.
I hope it is not mistress!

I assume master is the proper term, but I only really have it from
'His masters voice'.

The Swedish term, in case you have always wondered, is 'matmor', made
up of the words 'mat', which means 'food', and 'mor' which is mother.
In modern daily use matmor is abbreviated to 'matte'

The male term is 'husbonde', which quite exactly translates as
'master'. It is abbreviated to 'husse'.

Lars
Stockholm

James Hogg

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May 31, 2009, 3:50:09 PM5/31/09
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Quoth Lars <La...@fake.com>, and I quote:

We just say "owner". There's no need to specify the sex.

--
James

Peter Duncanson (BrE)

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May 31, 2009, 4:00:25 PM5/31/09
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On Sun, 31 May 2009 21:50:09 +0200, James Hogg <Jas....@gOUTmail.com>
wrote:

Yes, but when there is a need to specify the sex it is "mistress" for a
female owner and "master" for a male owner.

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

Arcadian Rises

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May 31, 2009, 4:06:22 PM5/31/09
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On May 31, 3:50�pm, James Hogg <Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com> wrote:
> Quoth Lars <L...@fake.com>, and I quote:

But in certain cases you need to specify the kingdom: animal or human.

In other words, who is the owner, the dog, or the human?

James Hogg

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May 31, 2009, 4:49:24 PM5/31/09
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Quoth "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <ma...@peterduncanson.net>, and I
quote:

You've just dashed Lars's hope. The word is indeed "mistress",
but it can easily be avoided if it causes embarrassment.

One definition of "mistress" in the COD is "the female owner of a
dog, cat, etc." The idea of a cat having a master or mistress is
rather preposterous. The cat has a diametrically opposite view of
the relationship.

--
James

--
James

Bertel Lund Hansen

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May 31, 2009, 5:01:42 PM5/31/09
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James Hogg skrev:

> dog, cat, etc." The idea of a cat having a master or mistress is
> rather preposterous. The cat has a diametrically opposite view of
> the relationship.

Reminds me of a cartoon I once saw. Two white mice are in a small
cage, one leaning nonchalantly upon the side. In the background a
man in a white overall is handling some cages and mice and stuff.

- Boy, have I got him conditioned. Every time I press this
button, he feeds me some cheese.

--
Bertel, Denmark

Jens Brix Christiansen

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May 31, 2009, 5:32:51 PM5/31/09
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Bertel Lund Hansen skrev:

Gary Larson, The Far Side?

--
Jens Brix Christiansen

Lars

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May 31, 2009, 5:38:15 PM5/31/09
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Previously, on Usenet James Hogg <Jas....@gOUTmail.com> wrote:

>>>>What is the English word for a female dog owner?
>

>The word is indeed "mistress", but it can easily be avoided
>if it causes embarrassment.

This is a case of a dog tagging a picture of his female owner on
Facebook. The dog is a poor speller so I help him out with the actual
typing. I do find it a bit embarassing to tag her as 'my mistress'.
And while I agree with you of cats being much more independent minded
than dogs, even the canines would probably balk at the idea of having
an 'owner'.

>The idea of a cat having a master or mistress is, rather


>preposterous. The cat has a diametrically opposite view of
>the relationship.

;-)

Lars
Stockholm

Jeffrey Turner

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May 31, 2009, 7:15:15 PM5/31/09
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Lars wrote:
> Previously, on Usenet James Hogg <Jas....@gOUTmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> What is the English word for a female dog owner?
>> The word is indeed "mistress", but it can easily be avoided
>> if it causes embarrassment.
>
> This is a case of a dog tagging a picture of his female owner on
> Facebook. The dog is a poor speller so I help him out with the actual
> typing. I do find it a bit embarassing to tag her as 'my mistress'.
> And while I agree with you of cats being much more independent minded
> than dogs, even the canines would probably balk at the idea of having
> an 'owner'.

Then refer to her as the dog's "alpha female." That works fine in such
a jocular circumstance.

--Jeff

--
The comfort of the wealthy has always
depended upon an abundant supply of
the poor. --Voltaire

Mark Brader

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May 31, 2009, 7:51:35 PM5/31/09
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"Lars" writes:
>>>>> What is the English word for a female dog owner?

> This is a case of a dog tagging a picture of his female owner on


> Facebook. The dog is a poor speller so I help him out with the actual
> typing. I do find it a bit embarassing to tag her as 'my mistress'.

In this sort of context "my human" would work. Or "my humans" if there
are more than one, and distinguish them as "male" and "female" humans.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "Let us knot coin gnu werds huitch
m...@vex.net are spelld rong." -- Rik Fischer Smoody

Per Rønne

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May 31, 2009, 11:29:39 PM5/31/09
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Mark Brader <m...@vex.net> wrote:

> "Lars" writes:
> >>>>> What is the English word for a female dog owner?
>
> > This is a case of a dog tagging a picture of his female owner on
> > Facebook. The dog is a poor speller so I help him out with the actual
> > typing. I do find it a bit embarassing to tag her as 'my mistress'.
>
> In this sort of context "my human" would work. Or "my humans" if there
> are more than one, and distinguish them as "male" and "female" humans.

And "child" humans ...
--
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe est

Mark Brader

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Jun 1, 2009, 12:03:41 AM6/1/09
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"Lars":

>>>>>>> What is the English word for a female dog owner?

>>> This is a case of a dog tagging a picture of his female owner on
>>> Facebook. The dog is a poor speller so I help him out with the actual
>>> typing. I do find it a bit embarassing to tag her as 'my mistress'.

Mark Brader:


>> In this sort of context "my human" would work. Or "my humans" if there
>> are more than one, and distinguish them as "male" and "female" humans.

Per R�nne:
> And "child" humans ...

No, *or* "child" and "adult" humans.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "Domine, defende nos
m...@vex.net | Contra hos motores bos!" -- A. D. Godley

Bertel Lund Hansen

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Jun 1, 2009, 3:49:13 AM6/1/09
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Jens Brix Christiansen skrev:

> > - Boy, have I got him conditioned. Every time I press this
> > button, he feeds me some cheese.

> Gary Larson, The Far Side?

I don't know. It's an awfully long time since I saw it.

--
Bertel, Denmark

Lars

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Jun 1, 2009, 3:48:55 AM6/1/09
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Previously, on Usenet Jeffrey Turner <jtu...@localnet.com> wrote:

>> This is a case of a dog tagging a picture of his female owner on
>

>Then refer to her as the dog's "alpha female."

Terrific! That'll be it.

Thanks everybody!


Lars
Stockholm

Ian Noble

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Jun 1, 2009, 12:48:23 PM6/1/09
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On Sun, 31 May 2009 23:38:15 +0200, Lars <La...@fake.com> wrote:

>Previously, on Usenet James Hogg <Jas....@gOUTmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>What is the English word for a female dog owner?
>>
>>The word is indeed "mistress", but it can easily be avoided
>>if it causes embarrassment.
>
>This is a case of a dog tagging a picture of his female owner on
>Facebook. The dog is a poor speller so I help him out with the actual
>typing. I do find it a bit embarassing to tag her as 'my mistress'.

Suppress that. Why on earth should it embarrass you to use using the
language correctly, simply because the word in question can have
alternate meanings in other contexts?

Cheers - Ian
(BrE: Yorks., Hants.)

Derek Turner

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Jun 1, 2009, 3:18:49 PM6/1/09
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On Sun, 31 May 2009 22:49:24 +0200, James Hogg wrote:


>
> One definition of "mistress" in the COD is "the female owner of a dog,
> cat, etc."


I prefer "something between mister and mattress"

Percival P. Cassidy

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Jun 1, 2009, 4:06:21 PM6/1/09
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On 05/31/09 04:49 pm James Hogg wrote:
>>>> What is the English word for a female dog owner?
>>>>
>>>> Well, not owner as such, but the female version of a dogs master.
>>>> I hope it is not mistress!
>>>>
>>>> I assume master is the proper term, but I only really have it from
>>>> 'His masters voice'.
>>>>
>>>> The Swedish term, in case you have always wondered, is 'matmor', made
>>>> up of the words 'mat', which means 'food', and 'mor' which is mother.
>>>> In modern daily use matmor is abbreviated to 'matte'
>>>>
>>>> The male term is 'husbonde', which quite exactly translates as
>>>> 'master'. It is abbreviated to 'husse'.
>>>
>>> We just say "owner". There's no need to specify the sex.
>>
>> Yes, but when there is a need to specify the sex it is "mistress" for a
>> female owner and "master" for a male owner.
>
> You've just dashed Lars's hope. The word is indeed "mistress",
> but it can easily be avoided if it causes embarrassment.
>
> One definition of "mistress" in the COD is "the female owner of a
> dog, cat, etc." The idea of a cat having a master or mistress is
> rather preposterous. The cat has a diametrically opposite view of
> the relationship.

As I have seen on a T-shirt:

"Dogs have owners;
cats have staff."

Perce

Arcadian Rises

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Jun 1, 2009, 8:24:19 PM6/1/09
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On Jun 1, 12:48�pm, Ian Noble <ipno...@offspam.o2.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 31 May 2009 23:38:15 +0200, Lars <L...@fake.com> wrote:
> >Previously, on Usenet James Hogg <Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>What is the English word for a female dog owner?
>
> >>The word is indeed "mistress", but it can easily be avoided
> >>if it causes embarrassment.
>
> >This is a case of a dog tagging a picture of his female owner on
> >Facebook. The dog is a poor speller so I help him out with the actual
> >typing. I do find it a bit embarassing to tag her as 'my mistress'.
>
> Suppress that. �Why on earth should it embarrass you to use using the
> language correctly, simply because the word in question can have
> alternate meanings in other contexts?


But the entire system of political correctness is nurtured by such
embarrassment.

Robert Bannister

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Jun 1, 2009, 8:48:01 PM6/1/09
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Per R�nne wrote:
> Mark Brader <m...@vex.net> wrote:
>
>> "Lars" writes:
>>>>>>> What is the English word for a female dog owner?
>>> This is a case of a dog tagging a picture of his female owner on
>>> Facebook. The dog is a poor speller so I help him out with the actual
>>> typing. I do find it a bit embarassing to tag her as 'my mistress'.
>> In this sort of context "my human" would work. Or "my humans" if there
>> are more than one, and distinguish them as "male" and "female" humans.
>
> And "child" humans ...

Is a child human? Between the ages of about 12 and 16, I have grave doubts.

--

Rob Bannister

Peter Groves

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Jun 1, 2009, 8:51:44 PM6/1/09
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"Ian Noble" <ipn...@offspam.o2.co.uk> wrote in message
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Or perhaps alternative meanings ("using the language correctly").

Peter Groves

Mark Brader

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Jun 1, 2009, 11:27:34 PM6/1/09
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Mark Brader:

>>> In this sort of context "my human" would work. Or "my humans" if there
>>> are more than one, and distinguish them as "male" and "female" humans.

Per R�nne:
>> And "child" humans ...

Rob Bannister:


> Is a child human? Between the ages of about 12 and 16, I have grave doubts.

Well, you may have a point, but I doubt that the dog would appreciate it.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "When you're up to your ass in alligators, maybe
m...@vex.net | you're in the wrong swamp." -- Bill Stewart

Per Rønne

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Jun 1, 2009, 11:35:24 PM6/1/09
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Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:

Well, when teaching I've got other experiences though I will have to
admit that boys are easier to handle than are girls ...

Individuals from species Homo sapiens under the age of 18 are called
'children'.

tony cooper

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Jun 1, 2009, 11:58:13 PM6/1/09
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On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:35:24 +0200, p...@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne)
wrote:

>Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> Per R�nne wrote:
>> > Mark Brader <m...@vex.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Lars" writes:
>> >>>>>>> What is the English word for a female dog owner?
>> >>> This is a case of a dog tagging a picture of his female owner on
>> >>> Facebook. The dog is a poor speller so I help him out with the actual
>> >>> typing. I do find it a bit embarassing to tag her as 'my mistress'.
>> >> In this sort of context "my human" would work. Or "my humans" if there
>> >> are more than one, and distinguish them as "male" and "female" humans.
>> >
>> > And "child" humans ...
>>
>> Is a child human? Between the ages of about 12 and 16, I have grave doubts.
>
>Well, when teaching I've got other experiences though I will have to
>admit that boys are easier to handle than are girls ...

Not a particularly good choice of wording.


--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Ian Jackson

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Jun 2, 2009, 5:21:35 AM6/2/09
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In message <78insoF...@mid.individual.net>, Derek Turner
<frd...@cesmail.net> writes

That's a goodun!
--
Ian

Lars

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Jun 2, 2009, 10:10:08 AM6/2/09
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Previously, on Usenet Ian Noble <ipn...@offspam.o2.co.uk> wrote:

>>I do find it a bit embarassing to tag her as 'my mistress'.
>
>Suppress that. Why on earth should it embarrass you to use using the
>language correctly, simply because the word in question can have
>alternate meanings in other contexts?

Because the concerned female is not very good at English. I am sure
she knows the most common definition of 'mistress', but quite likely
not the dog related alternative.

Sometimes, with the heathen, the correct term is not the best one.

Lars
Stockholm

CDB

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Jun 2, 2009, 3:47:50 PM6/2/09
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How would she react to "monkey"? My dog customarily addresses me that
way, modifying it as required to "dinner-monkey"or "walk-monkey" or
"massage-monkey", but probably basing the usage on "cheese-eating
surrender-monkey", since I am a pushover in most regards but keep all
the cheese for myself (he has allergies).

Oh, Monkey, walk yo' doggie all around,
Yes Monke-ey, promenade yo' doggie ro-o-ound;
If y'all don't 'bey my will,
I'm gon' 'sault yo' bacon down.


Per Rønne

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Jun 3, 2009, 12:53:56 AM6/3/09
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tony cooper <tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote:

Well, what had your choice of wording been ?

tony cooper

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On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:53:56 +0200, p...@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne)
wrote:

>tony cooper <tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:35:24 +0200, p...@RQNNE.invalid (Per R�nne)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Per R�nne wrote:
>> >> > Mark Brader <m...@vex.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Lars" writes:
>> >> >>>>>>> What is the English word for a female dog owner?
>> >> >>> This is a case of a dog tagging a picture of his female owner on
>> >> >>> Facebook. The dog is a poor speller so I help him out with the actual
>> >> >>> typing. I do find it a bit embarassing to tag her as 'my mistress'.
>> >> >> In this sort of context "my human" would work. Or "my humans" if there
>> >> >> are more than one, and distinguish them as "male" and "female" humans.
>> >> >
>> >> > And "child" humans ...
>> >>
>> >> Is a child human? Between the ages of about 12 and 16, I have grave doubts.
>> >
>> >Well, when teaching I've got other experiences though I will have to
>> >admit that boys are easier to handle than are girls ...
>>
>> Not a particularly good choice of wording.
>
>Well, what had your choice of wording been ?

I wouldn't have gone into the experiences of handling boys and girls.

Ian Noble

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Jun 3, 2009, 4:16:44 AM6/3/09
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One of these days I'll go back and edit something that I've already
written, and *not* manage to introduce a howler or blatant typo of
some sort. Just don't hold your breath.

Pat Durkin

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Jun 3, 2009, 10:28:35 AM6/3/09
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""Per R�nne"" <p...@RQNNE.invalid> wrote in message
news:1j0q34t.gjw00uvz34p4N%p...@RQNNE.invalid...

I think your choice of verb is particularly apt, and the noun form
should have been the second or third post in this entire thread. But
then, hours of entertainment would have been missed.

(But I admit that "handling" used in the particular case above is
unfortunate in the humorous sense the conversation had reached.)

I don't recall anyone's taking the original and getting confused about
handlers of bitches. I would have predicted "female dog owner" would
have taken that tack.

light.cr...@gmail.com

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Mar 10, 2020, 1:52:01 PM3/10/20
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On Sunday, May 31, 2009 at 3:26:32 PM UTC-4, Lars wrote:
> What is the English word for a female dog owner?
>
> Well, not owner as such, but the female version of a dogs master.
> I hope it is not mistress!
>
> I assume master is the proper term, but I only really have it from
> 'His masters voice'.
>
> The Swedish term, in case you have always wondered, is 'matmor', made
> up of the words 'mat', which means 'food', and 'mor' which is mother.
> In modern daily use matmor is abbreviated to 'matte'
>
> The male term is 'husbonde', which quite exactly translates as
> 'master'. It is abbreviated to 'husse'.
>
> Lars
> Stockholm

I think it is common for women in America to refer to themselves as "mother" and "mama" with respect to pet dogs and cats. A woman might say, for example:

"Fido likes to go running with his mama."
"Fifi likes to sit on mama's lap and take a nap."

Tony Cooper

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Mar 10, 2020, 2:04:04 PM3/10/20
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On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 10:51:57 -0700 (PDT), light.cr...@gmail.com
wrote:
That rather establishes the woman as a bitch.

light.cr...@gmail.com

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Mar 22, 2020, 12:11:25 PM3/22/20
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Not if the woman considers herself to be an adoptive mother.

Eric Walker

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Mar 22, 2020, 6:14:15 PM3/22/20
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On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 10:51:57 -0700, light.cross.lamb wrote:

> On Sunday, May 31, 2009 at 3:26:32 PM UTC-4, Lars wrote:
>> What is the English word for a female dog owner?
>>
>> Well, not owner as such, but the female version of a dogs master.
>> I hope it is not mistress!

[...]

It is.

https://pm1.narvii.com/6440/
dedb6c3674c310897c874c5d1a98990cca1d1f53_hq.jpg


--
Cordially,
Eric Walker

bil...@shaw.ca

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Mar 22, 2020, 6:17:26 PM3/22/20
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But master and mistress in that context are both out of fashion
and rarely heard in my neck of the English woods.

bill

CDB

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Mar 23, 2020, 10:32:07 AM3/23/20
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Or "bitchmaster". There really should have been a hyphen somewhere in
the (recent) OP.


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