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Guy Barry
May 26, 2014, 3:27:58 AM5/26/14
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(This is a spin-off from the "egzit" thread, where the subject has got
bogged down in irrelevant quibbles.)
I've come across three different uses of the word "exeat", all in different
British educational establishments. At my school (which was a "public"
school in the British sense, i.e. a large independent school) it was used as
a word for the half-term break. When I attended university it was used to
mean one of the three nights per term that a student was allowed to spend
outside the university precincts. And at the state school that a friend of
mine attended, it was a chit allowing absence of leave from a particular
lesson or games, perhaps to attend a medical appointment. I have never come
across the term outside British educational establishments (except of course
as a Latin word).
Which, if any, of the uses are you familiar with? Is it used anywhere
outside the education system?
--
Guy Barry
bogged down in irrelevant quibbles.)
I've come across three different uses of the word "exeat", all in different
British educational establishments. At my school (which was a "public"
school in the British sense, i.e. a large independent school) it was used as
a word for the half-term break. When I attended university it was used to
mean one of the three nights per term that a student was allowed to spend
outside the university precincts. And at the state school that a friend of
mine attended, it was a chit allowing absence of leave from a particular
lesson or games, perhaps to attend a medical appointment. I have never come
across the term outside British educational establishments (except of course
as a Latin word).
Which, if any, of the uses are you familiar with? Is it used anywhere
outside the education system?
--
Guy Barry
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Peter Duncanson [BrE]
May 26, 2014, 6:53:04 AM5/26/14
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extended to mean a chit, piece of paper, stating the permission to be
absent
OED:
exeat, v. and n.
Pronunciation: /??ksi?æt/
Etymology: Latin exeat let (him) go out, 3rd pers. singular present
subjunctive of exi-re to go out: see exit v. and n.
A. v. In Latin use as verb.
In plays of the early 16th c. used as a stage direction,
equivalent to the later exit v. and n.
a1556....
B. n. A permission to go out. [So used in French.]
1. A permission to leave the diocese, granted to a priest by the
bishop.
1730 N. Bailey et al. Dict. Britannicum, Exeat, (i.e. let him go
out) a term used in church-discipline for a permission, which a
bishop grants to a priest to go out of his diocese.
....
2. In English public schools and colleges, in monastic houses, etc.:
a permission for temporary absence.
1728 E. Chambers Cycl. (at cited word), His Master has given him
an Exeat.
1806 K. White Let. 30 June, He would not give me an exeat,
without which no man can leave his college for the night.
1852 C. A. Bristed Five Years Eng. University I. 193 (note) ,
Exeats..were never granted [at King's Coll. Camb.] but in cases of
life and death.
1859 F. W. Farrar Julian Home xx. 259 How shall I get my exeat
to go to London?
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Mark Brader
May 26, 2014, 2:16:44 PM5/26/14
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Guy Barry:
the recent thread.
(I do recognize it as the, let's see, I guess it's the third person
singular present subjunctive of the Latin verb "exire", translatable
as "let him/her/it go out".)
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My text in this article is in the public domain.
> I've come across three different uses of the word "exeat", all in different
> British educational establishments...
> Which, if any, of the uses are you familiar with?
None; I don't believe I've ever seen it used, or mentioned before
the recent thread.
(I do recognize it as the, let's see, I guess it's the third person
singular present subjunctive of the Latin verb "exire", translatable
as "let him/her/it go out".)
--
Mark Brader "How diabolically clever: a straightforward message!
Toronto Only a genius could have thought of that."
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My text in this article is in the public domain.
Isabelle Cecchini
May 26, 2014, 2:26:05 PM5/26/14
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Le 26/05/2014 09:27, Guy Barry a �crit :
The word is used in the French state school system as well, with a
slightly different meaning: you can't register at a new school without
having an "exeat" from your old school, saying that your parents have
finally paid for the school restaurant, that you've given back all the
books that were lent to you, and that you've reimbursed all the expenses
incurred during that infortunate incident during the chemistry lesson.
--
Isabelle Cecchini
> (This is a spin-off from the "egzit" thread, where the subject has got
> bogged down in irrelevant quibbles.)
>
> I've come across three different uses of the word "exeat", all in
> different British educational establishments. At my school (which was a
> "public" school in the British sense, i.e. a large independent school)
> it was used as a word for the half-term break. When I attended
> university it was used to mean one of the three nights per term that a
> student was allowed to spend outside the university precincts. And at
> the state school that a friend of mine attended, it was a chit allowing
> absence of leave from a particular lesson or games, perhaps to attend a
> medical appointment. I have never come across the term outside British
> educational establishments (except of course as a Latin word).
>
[...]
> bogged down in irrelevant quibbles.)
>
> I've come across three different uses of the word "exeat", all in
> different British educational establishments. At my school (which was a
> "public" school in the British sense, i.e. a large independent school)
> it was used as a word for the half-term break. When I attended
> university it was used to mean one of the three nights per term that a
> student was allowed to spend outside the university precincts. And at
> the state school that a friend of mine attended, it was a chit allowing
> absence of leave from a particular lesson or games, perhaps to attend a
> medical appointment. I have never come across the term outside British
> educational establishments (except of course as a Latin word).
>
The word is used in the French state school system as well, with a
slightly different meaning: you can't register at a new school without
having an "exeat" from your old school, saying that your parents have
finally paid for the school restaurant, that you've given back all the
books that were lent to you, and that you've reimbursed all the expenses
incurred during that infortunate incident during the chemistry lesson.
--
Isabelle Cecchini
Snidely
May 26, 2014, 2:42:33 PM5/26/14
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on 5/26/2014, Isabelle Cecchini supposed :
> Le 26/05/2014 09:27, Guy Barry a ï¿œcrit :
Insert short multi-glyph sympolizing appreciation of the humor in the
referenced post.
/dps
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top of him?"
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> Le 26/05/2014 09:27, Guy Barry a ï¿œcrit :
referenced post.
/dps
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moments next day, with six or seven thousand feet of snow and stuff on
top of him?"
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bob
May 26, 2014, 3:23:19 PM5/26/14
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agree with these definitions. When I was at school, though, the use of
"exeat" for the half term break was limited to the most formal
documents, and the term "exeat" was used for a weekend away in term
time.
At University, in addition to getting an exeat for breaks during term
time (a rule universally ignored [1]), an exeat was required when going
down at the end of term, and at the start of term an undergraduate was
expected to sign in on a corresponding "redit list" [2].
[1] I was once out of town on the date of the end of term meeting with
my tutor, so I went to him beforehand to obtain an exeat to legitimise
my absence, and he practically fell off his chair in shock that anyone
would actually ask for such a thing.
[2] I don't recall if this is the correct spelling, and the similarity
with the name of the popular website makes googling for the term
ineffective.
Robin
Whiskers
May 26, 2014, 4:08:15 PM5/26/14
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outside his normal parishes or outside the diocese.
Then there are the stage directions 'exit' & 'exeunt', and of course
'exit' is the usual sign directing people to the nearest way out of a
building.
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-- Whiskers
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Steve Hayes
May 27, 2014, 12:37:21 AM5/27/14
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>Which, if any, of the uses are you familiar with? Is it used anywhere
>outside the education system?
I don't think I've seen it used anywhere outside Billy Bunter books.
>outside the education system?
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Dr Nick
May 27, 2014, 1:51:57 AM5/27/14
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Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> writes:
> Then there are the stage directions 'exit' & 'exeunt', and of course
> 'exit' is the usual sign directing people to the nearest way out of a
> building.
"exeat omnes" is the only use I know. I must have come up with one of
> Then there are the stage directions 'exit' & 'exeunt', and of course
> 'exit' is the usual sign directing people to the nearest way out of a
> building.
the Public School meanings in my reading but nothing has stuck.
annily
May 27, 2014, 1:42:00 AM5/27/14
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their calendar of events for some weekends, but not all. I don't know
what their logic is.
http://www.wilderness.com.au/calendar/listfull
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Guy Barry
May 27, 2014, 2:08:18 AM5/27/14
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"Whiskers" wrote in message
news:slrnlo77pf.3...@ID-107770.user.individual.net...
>Then there are the stage directions 'exit' & 'exeunt', and of course
>'exit' is the usual sign directing people to the nearest way out of a
>building.
Those two "exit"s are different words, though related. The stage direction
is the third person singular present indicative of Latin "exire", literally
"he goes out" (and "exeunt" similarly means "they go out"). The second
comes from "exitus", the verbal noun from the same verb, i.e. "a going out"
or "a departure".
To confuse things further there's also a normal verb "exit", meaning "to go
out" (e.g. "he exits"), which is derived from the noun.
--
Guy Barry
news:slrnlo77pf.3...@ID-107770.user.individual.net...
>Then there are the stage directions 'exit' & 'exeunt', and of course
>'exit' is the usual sign directing people to the nearest way out of a
>building.
is the third person singular present indicative of Latin "exire", literally
"he goes out" (and "exeunt" similarly means "they go out"). The second
comes from "exitus", the verbal noun from the same verb, i.e. "a going out"
or "a departure".
To confuse things further there's also a normal verb "exit", meaning "to go
out" (e.g. "he exits"), which is derived from the noun.
--
Guy Barry
Guy Barry
May 27, 2014, 3:19:59 AM5/27/14
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"Dr Nick" wrote in message news:87wqd73...@temporary-address.org.uk...
Wrong again. It's "exeunt omnes" (third-person plural present indicative,
meaning "they all go out"). "Exeat" is third-person singular present
subjunctive, and wouldn't work with the plural subject "omnes".
--
Guy Barry
meaning "they all go out"). "Exeat" is third-person singular present
subjunctive, and wouldn't work with the plural subject "omnes".
--
Guy Barry
CDB
May 27, 2014, 6:30:51 AM5/27/14
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On 27/05/2014 2:08 AM, Guy Barry wrote:
> "Whiskers" wrote:
>> Then there are the stage directions 'exit' & 'exeunt', and of
>> course 'exit' is the usual sign directing people to the nearest way
>> out of a building.
> Those two "exit"s are different words, though related. The stage
> direction is the third person singular present indicative of Latin
> "exire", literally "he goes out" (and "exeunt" similarly means "they
> go out"). The second comes from "exitus", the verbal noun from the
> same verb, i.e. "a going out" or "a departure".
> To confuse things further there's also a normal verb "exit", meaning
> "to go out" (e.g. "he exits"), which is derived from the noun.
Far more likely to be from the stage direction, IMO.
>> Then there are the stage directions 'exit' & 'exeunt', and of
>> course 'exit' is the usual sign directing people to the nearest way
>> out of a building.
> Those two "exit"s are different words, though related. The stage
> direction is the third person singular present indicative of Latin
> "exire", literally "he goes out" (and "exeunt" similarly means "they
> go out"). The second comes from "exitus", the verbal noun from the
> same verb, i.e. "a going out" or "a departure".
> To confuse things further there's also a normal verb "exit", meaning
> "to go out" (e.g. "he exits"), which is derived from the noun.
Whiskers
May 27, 2014, 8:06:05 AM5/27/14
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Peter Moylan
May 28, 2014, 12:33:14 AM5/28/14
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On 26/05/14 20:53, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> On Mon, 26 May 2014 08:27:58 +0100, "Guy Barry"
> <guy....@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> (This is a spin-off from the "egzit" thread, where the subject has got
>> bogged down in irrelevant quibbles.)
>>
>> I've come across three different uses of the word "exeat", all in different
>> British educational establishments. At my school (which was a "public"
>> school in the British sense, i.e. a large independent school) it was used as
>> a word for the half-term break. When I attended university it was used to
>> mean one of the three nights per term that a student was allowed to spend
>> outside the university precincts. And at the state school that a friend of
>> mine attended, it was a chit allowing absence of leave from a particular
>> lesson or games, perhaps to attend a medical appointment. I have never come
>> across the term outside British educational establishments (except of course
>> as a Latin word).
>>
>> Which, if any, of the uses are you familiar with? Is it used anywhere
>> outside the education system?
>
> I'm familiar with the meaning "permission to be absent". It may be
> extended to mean a chit, piece of paper, stating the permission to be
> absent
I knew what it meant in Latin, but until this thread I never knew that
> On Mon, 26 May 2014 08:27:58 +0100, "Guy Barry"
> <guy....@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> (This is a spin-off from the "egzit" thread, where the subject has got
>> bogged down in irrelevant quibbles.)
>>
>> I've come across three different uses of the word "exeat", all in different
>> British educational establishments. At my school (which was a "public"
>> school in the British sense, i.e. a large independent school) it was used as
>> a word for the half-term break. When I attended university it was used to
>> mean one of the three nights per term that a student was allowed to spend
>> outside the university precincts. And at the state school that a friend of
>> mine attended, it was a chit allowing absence of leave from a particular
>> lesson or games, perhaps to attend a medical appointment. I have never come
>> across the term outside British educational establishments (except of course
>> as a Latin word).
>>
>> Which, if any, of the uses are you familiar with? Is it used anywhere
>> outside the education system?
>
> I'm familiar with the meaning "permission to be absent". It may be
> extended to mean a chit, piece of paper, stating the permission to be
> absent
it was also an English word.
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Mark Brader
May 28, 2014, 1:29:18 AM5/28/14
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Guy Barry:
Or she, or it!
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Toronto are condemned to repeat the course"
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> Those two "exit"s are different words, though related. The stage direction
> is the third person singular present indicative of Latin "exire", literally
> "he goes out"...
> is the third person singular present indicative of Latin "exire", literally
Or she, or it!
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Toronto are condemned to repeat the course"
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Mark Brader
May 28, 2014, 1:35:43 AM5/28/14
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Guy Barry:
written in English, for this word in the stage directions to be in
Latin, while its antonym was in English? Did any playwrights working
in English ever write things like "Ineunt Henry and Richard"?
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> Those two "exit"s are different words, though related. The stage direction
> is the third person singular present indicative of Latin "exire", literally
> "he goes out" (and "exeunt" similarly means "they go out").
Which prompts a question. How did it ever become traditional, in plays
> is the third person singular present indicative of Latin "exire", literally
> "he goes out" (and "exeunt" similarly means "they go out").
written in English, for this word in the stage directions to be in
Latin, while its antonym was in English? Did any playwrights working
in English ever write things like "Ineunt Henry and Richard"?
--
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Toronto | "We're embedded in bugs, have you noticed?"
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Guy Barry
May 28, 2014, 3:02:26 AM5/28/14
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"Mark Brader" wrote in message
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direction uses the indicative mood, while the English one uses the
subjunctive. Why don't we write "Enters Henry"?
--
Guy Barry
news:4sidnQZL4Kky6BjO...@vex.net...
>
>Guy Barry:
>> Those two "exit"s are different words, though related. The stage
>> direction
>> is the third person singular present indicative of Latin "exire",
>> literally
>> "he goes out" (and "exeunt" similarly means "they go out").
>
>Which prompts a question. How did it ever become traditional, in plays
>written in English, for this word in the stage directions to be in
>Latin, while its antonym was in English? Did any playwrights working
>in English ever write things like "Ineunt Henry and Richard"?
I've often wondered that. The other thing I wonder is why the Latin stage
>Guy Barry:
>> Those two "exit"s are different words, though related. The stage
>> direction
>> is the third person singular present indicative of Latin "exire",
>> literally
>> "he goes out" (and "exeunt" similarly means "they go out").
>
>Which prompts a question. How did it ever become traditional, in plays
>written in English, for this word in the stage directions to be in
>Latin, while its antonym was in English? Did any playwrights working
>in English ever write things like "Ineunt Henry and Richard"?
direction uses the indicative mood, while the English one uses the
subjunctive. Why don't we write "Enters Henry"?
--
Guy Barry
CDB
May 28, 2014, 10:03:01 AM5/28/14
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On 28/05/2014 3:02 AM, Guy Barry wrote:
were for the stage-manager, who would tell Henry when to go on but could
only wait for him to come offstage.
> "Mark Brader" wrote:
Guy Barry:
>>> Those two "exit"s are different words, though related. The stage
>>> direction is the third person singular present indicative of
>>> Latin "exire", literally "he goes out" (and "exeunt" similarly
>>> means "they go out").
>> Which prompts a question. How did it ever become traditional, in
>> plays written in English, for this word in the stage directions to
>> be in Latin, while its antonym was in English? Did any playwrights
>> working in English ever write things like "Ineunt Henry and
>> Richard"?
> I've often wondered that. The other thing I wonder is why the Latin
> stage direction uses the indicative mood, while the English one uses
> the subjunctive. Why don't we write "Enters Henry"?
Interesting question. Maybe "enter" is jussive because the directions
Guy Barry:
>>> Those two "exit"s are different words, though related. The stage
>>> direction is the third person singular present indicative of
>>> Latin "exire", literally "he goes out" (and "exeunt" similarly
>>> means "they go out").
>> Which prompts a question. How did it ever become traditional, in
>> plays written in English, for this word in the stage directions to
>> be in Latin, while its antonym was in English? Did any playwrights
>> working in English ever write things like "Ineunt Henry and
>> Richard"?
> I've often wondered that. The other thing I wonder is why the Latin
> stage direction uses the indicative mood, while the English one uses
> the subjunctive. Why don't we write "Enters Henry"?
were for the stage-manager, who would tell Henry when to go on but could
only wait for him to come offstage.
Dr Nick
Jun 1, 2014, 4:49:55 AM6/1/14
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[the room]" in Jane Austen and the like is noticeable and seems to have
been replaced by "exited" (when "left" isn't enough).
I was entertained to be able to transliterate motorway signs in Cyprus
and see they said "Exodus" on them.
charles
Jun 1, 2014, 4:57:22 AM6/1/14
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In article <87lhtht...@temporary-address.org.uk>,
as do the signs inside Greek buildings - despite teh EU.
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Jun 1, 2014, 6:52:16 AM6/1/14
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On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 09:57:22 +0100, charles <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
The EU wants to keep people inside?
wrote:
Peter Duncanson [BrE]
Jun 1, 2014, 10:37:03 AM6/1/14
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Italians call it. The Greeks call it the "EE". The Gaels call it the
"AE".
http://europa.eu/
chad....@gmail.com
Mar 3, 2016, 1:59:57 PM3/3/16
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At my public school here in South Africa, if one is a member of the boarding houses, you receive a paper, called an "exeat" which once signed by your senior housemaster or deputy headmaster allows you to leave the premises for activities such as getting a haircut or walking to the mall to buy stationery etc.
Peter Young
Mar 3, 2016, 2:33:55 PM3/3/16
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latter, Leftpondians might be puzzled.
Peter
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Joe Fineman
Mar 3, 2016, 2:40:19 PM3/3/16
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"exire" (to go out); hence, "let (him or her) go out". However, my
knowledge of Latin is small.
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Mike Barnes
Mar 3, 2016, 3:25:06 PM3/3/16
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Also instead of "prefects" there were "praepostors". I remember
distinctly the rather stilted-sounding appointment speech which started
"To you who are made praepostor...", not that it ever applied to me.
--
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Cheshire, England
Richard Tobin
Mar 3, 2016, 4:40:03 PM3/3/16
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In article <86vb538...@verizon.net>,
-- Richard
Joe Fineman <jo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> At my public school here in South Africa, if one is a member of the
>> boarding houses, you receive a paper, called an "exeat" which once
>> signed by your senior housemaster or deputy headmaster allows you to
>> leave the premises for activities such as getting a haircut or walking
>> to the mall to buy stationery etc.
>I suspect that it is the 3rd-person present subjunctive of the Latin
>"exire" (to go out); hence, "let (him or her) go out".
Yes. "Fiat" is another - are there any more in English?
>> At my public school here in South Africa, if one is a member of the
>> boarding houses, you receive a paper, called an "exeat" which once
>> signed by your senior housemaster or deputy headmaster allows you to
>> leave the premises for activities such as getting a haircut or walking
>> to the mall to buy stationery etc.
>I suspect that it is the 3rd-person present subjunctive of the Latin
>"exire" (to go out); hence, "let (him or her) go out".
-- Richard
Iain Archer
Mar 3, 2016, 5:11:02 PM3/3/16
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Richard Tobin <ric...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote on Thu, 3 Mar 2016 at
21:35:35:
Imprimatur, caveat.
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21:35:35:
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