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navi
Oct 7, 2012, 11:33:34 PM10/7/12
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Are these sentences correct:
1-The man and the woman we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
2-The man, and the woman we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
1a-The young man and the woman we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
2a-The young man, and the woman we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
In which cases was the man/young man definitely also at the conference?
Gratefully,
Navi.
1-The man and the woman we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
2-The man, and the woman we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
1a-The young man and the woman we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
2a-The young man, and the woman we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
In which cases was the man/young man definitely also at the conference?
Gratefully,
Navi.
JOF
Oct 8, 2012, 12:17:16 AM10/8/12
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On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 20:33:34 -0700 (PDT), navi <lorc...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In all cases, by virtue of the words "and" and "were".
2 and 2a are a bit off, because the first comma starts a meaning that
requires a second comma after "to". That meaning is to associate the
woman and not the man with "we talked to". 1 and 1a leave the
possibility that both the man and the woman associate to "we talked
to", although for that meaning the second "the" should be omitted-
"The man and woman we talked to...".
--
John
wrote:
2 and 2a are a bit off, because the first comma starts a meaning that
requires a second comma after "to". That meaning is to associate the
woman and not the man with "we talked to". 1 and 1a leave the
possibility that both the man and the woman associate to "we talked
to", although for that meaning the second "the" should be omitted-
"The man and woman we talked to...".
--
John
navi
Oct 8, 2012, 2:22:50 AM10/8/12
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Yes, it is obvious that they were both at the conference. I got confused. Sorry.
Would you use:
A-The MAN AND WOMAN we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
if you had talked to them seperately and there was no relation between them.
And would you use:
B-The WRITER AND ENGINEER we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
C-The WRITERS AND ENGINEER we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
if you had talked both to the writer/writers AND to the engineer?
Gratefully,
Navi.
Guy Barry
Oct 8, 2012, 3:18:16 AM10/8/12
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"navi" wrote in message
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> Are these sentences correct:
> 1-The man and the woman we talked to were at the conference this
> afternoon.
> 2-The man, and the woman we talked to were at the conference this
> afternoon.
> 1a-The young man and the woman we talked to were at the conference this
> afternoon.
> 2a-The young man, and the woman we talked to were at the conference this
> afternoon.
the conference, and the woman we talked to was at the conference", or "the
man we talked to was at the conference, and the woman we talked to was at
the conference". (2) can only have the first meaning (though I'd prefer a
comma after "to"). (1a) and (2a) are similar.
> In which cases was the man/young man definitely also at the conference?
--
Guy Barry
JOF
Oct 8, 2012, 12:37:03 PM10/8/12
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On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 23:22:50 -0700 (PDT), navi <lorc...@yahoo.com>
some link between the two and the talking, even if a loose one. For
example,
"We don't get out much and rarely talk to people. It happens that we
did talk separately to two people this week. And, guess what? The man
and woman we talked to were both at the conference this afternoon."
>And would you use:
>
>B-The WRITER AND ENGINEER we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
>C-The WRITERS AND ENGINEER we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
>
>if you had talked both to the writer/writers AND to the engineer?
Yes, and you'd have to have talked to all of the mentioned writer/s
and the engineer to use that form. If you used a separate article
"the" for the engineer, it might be that you talked only to the
engineer, but to make that meaning secure you'd have to use a pair of
commas:
"The writers, and the engineer we talked to, were at..."
--
John
wrote:
>On Sunday, October 7, 2012 9:17:15 PM UTC-7, JOF wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 20:33:34 -0700 (PDT), navi <lorc...@yahoo.com>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >Are these sentences correct:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >1-The man and the woman we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
>>
>> >2-The man, and the woman we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >1a-The young man and the woman we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
>>
>> >2a-The young man, and the woman we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >In which cases was the man/young man definitely also at the conference?
>>
>>
>>
>> In all cases, by virtue of the words "and" and "were".
>>
>>
>>
>> 2 and 2a are a bit off, because the first comma starts a meaning that
>>
>> requires a second comma after "to". That meaning is to associate the
>>
>> woman and not the man with "we talked to". 1 and 1a leave the
>>
>> possibility that both the man and the woman associate to "we talked
>>
>> to", although for that meaning the second "the" should be omitted-
>>
>> "The man and woman we talked to...".
>>
>> --
>>
>> John
>
>Thank you veru much John.
>
>Yes, it is obvious that they were both at the conference. I got confused. Sorry.
>
>
>
>Would you use:
>
>A-The MAN AND WOMAN we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
>
>if you had talked to them seperately and there was no relation between them.
The inclusion of "man and woman" in the same clause suggests there is
>On Sunday, October 7, 2012 9:17:15 PM UTC-7, JOF wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 20:33:34 -0700 (PDT), navi <lorc...@yahoo.com>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >Are these sentences correct:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >1-The man and the woman we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
>>
>> >2-The man, and the woman we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >1a-The young man and the woman we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
>>
>> >2a-The young man, and the woman we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >In which cases was the man/young man definitely also at the conference?
>>
>>
>>
>> In all cases, by virtue of the words "and" and "were".
>>
>>
>>
>> 2 and 2a are a bit off, because the first comma starts a meaning that
>>
>> requires a second comma after "to". That meaning is to associate the
>>
>> woman and not the man with "we talked to". 1 and 1a leave the
>>
>> possibility that both the man and the woman associate to "we talked
>>
>> to", although for that meaning the second "the" should be omitted-
>>
>> "The man and woman we talked to...".
>>
>> --
>>
>> John
>
>Thank you veru much John.
>
>Yes, it is obvious that they were both at the conference. I got confused. Sorry.
>
>
>
>Would you use:
>
>A-The MAN AND WOMAN we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
>
>if you had talked to them seperately and there was no relation between them.
some link between the two and the talking, even if a loose one. For
example,
"We don't get out much and rarely talk to people. It happens that we
did talk separately to two people this week. And, guess what? The man
and woman we talked to were both at the conference this afternoon."
>And would you use:
>
>B-The WRITER AND ENGINEER we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
>C-The WRITERS AND ENGINEER we talked to were at the conference this afternoon.
>
>if you had talked both to the writer/writers AND to the engineer?
and the engineer to use that form. If you used a separate article
"the" for the engineer, it might be that you talked only to the
engineer, but to make that meaning secure you'd have to use a pair of
commas:
"The writers, and the engineer we talked to, were at..."
--
John
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