oftly

[M Winther]

Isn't "oftly" a word? It's not defined in my dictionaries.

M. Winther

[Snidely]

on 12/14/2013, M Winther supposed :

> Isn't "oftly" a word? It's not defined in my dictionaries.

A word for what?

I don't often hear it, so I'd have to guess at its meaning.

/dps

--
But happiness cannot be pursued; it must ensue. One must have a reason
to 'be happy.'"
Viktor Frankl

[M Winther]

"Snidely" <snide...@gmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:mn.703e7ddcd07b957b.127094@snitoo...

"Oftly" in the sense of "recurrently".

M. Winther

[Dr Nick]

It doesn't exist - that's why it's not in the dictionaries. Or if it
does exist, it's a rare coinage or something.

If I came across it I'd expect it to mean "frequently" rather than
"recurrently" (I think the latter has a sense of regularity about it that
the former does. And I expect others to disagree on this!).

[James Hogg]

M Winther wrote:
> Isn't "oftly" a word? It's not defined in my dictionaries.

It seems to be used sometimes for "awfully". Dictionaries don't normally
include misspellings.

--
James

[Iskandar Baharuddin]

On 14/12/13 5:02 PM, Snidely wrote:
> on 12/14/2013, M Winther supposed :
>> Isn't "oftly" a word? It's not defined in my dictionaries.
>
> A word for what?
>
> I don't often hear it, so I'd have to guess at its meaning.
>
> /dps
>

"Oftly, as in an orning unrise..."

--
Salaam, Izzy

Ciri sa-bumi, cara sa-desa.

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

It's in the OED, but see the third line below.

† oftly, adv.
Etymology: < oft adv. + -ly suffix2. Compare oftenly adv.
Obs. rare. (poet. in later use).

= often adv.

a1225 (?OE) Rule St. Benet (Winteney) (1888) 69 Gyf hwylc
swuster oftlice [OE Corpus Cambr. oft rædlice; L. frequenter]
?eþread for hwylcum ?ilte byð.

1592 W. Wyrley Lord Chandos in True Vse Armorie 62 Oftlie
returning vnto freends, I told, That I had seene of noblenes the
flower.
1844 E. B. Browning Catarina to Camoens xii, Will you oftly
Murmur softly.

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[Stan Brown]

On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 09:28:00 +0100, M Winther wrote:
>
> Isn't "oftly" a word? It's not defined in my dictionaries.
>
> M. Winther

Wouldn't that give you a clue as to the answer to your question?

As to whether it's a word but too new to be in your dictionaries:
I've never heard or used it.

--
"The difference between the /almost right/ word and the /right/ word
is ... the difference between the lightning-bug and the lightning."
--Mark Twain
Stan Brown, Tompkins County, NY, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com

[John Briggs]

On 14/12/2013 14:44, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 09:28:00 +0100, M Winther wrote:
>>
>> Isn't "oftly" a word? It's not defined in my dictionaries.
>>
>> M. Winther
>
> Wouldn't that give you a clue as to the answer to your question?
>
> As to whether it's a word but too new to be in your dictionaries:
> I've never heard or used it.

OED says: Obs. rare. (poet. in later use).

1844 E. B. Browning Catarina to Camoens xii, Will you oftly Murmur
softly.
--

John Briggs

[Martin Ambuhl]

On 12/14/2013 3:28 AM, M Winther wrote:
> Isn't "oftly" a word? It's not defined in my dictionaries.
>

From the SOED (see the last line):

Oft /Qft/
Now arch., poet., & dial.
[Old English oft = Old Frisian ofta, Old Saxon oft(o), Old High German
ofto (German oft), Old Norse opt, oft, Gothic ufta, from Germanic.]

= OFTEN.
many a time and oft: see TIME noun.

� oftly adverb (rare) = OFTEN adverb L16.

[Ian Jackson]

In message <l8hact$eig$1...@dont-email.me>, James Hogg
<Jas....@gOUTmail.com> writes

Don't you mean the word sometimes pronounced "offly"?
--
Ian

[Mike L]

> swuster oftlice [OE Corpus Cambr. oft r�dlice; L. frequenter]
> ?e�read for hwylcum ?ilte by�.

>
> 1592 W. Wyrley Lord Chandos in True Vse Armorie 62 Oftlie
> returning vnto freends, I told, That I had seene of noblenes the
> flower.
> 1844 E. B. Browning Catarina to Camoens xii, Will you oftly
> Murmur softly.

Ms Barrett Browning at her best was a better poet than she's given
credit for, but it'd be wrong to take her as an authority. And that
rhyme is a crhyme.

--
Mike

[John Varela]

On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 08:28:00 UTC, "M Winther" <ml...@swipnet.se>
wrote:

> Isn't "oftly" a word? It's not defined in my dictionaries.

"Oftly" doesn't appear to serve any purpose that isn't already
adequately served by "often". Can you quote a sentence with "oftly"
in which "oftly" can't be simply replaced by "often"? If not, then
the word is unneeded.

--
John Varela

[Mynews [ OK US EN ]]

"M Winther" <ml...@swipnet.se> wrote in message news:52ac1694$0$3754$c83e...@weathergirl-read.tele2.net...

> Isn't "oftly" a word? It's not defined in my dictionaries.
>
> M. Winther
>

< http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oftly >

you miss spell it.........
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offley >

[Mynews [ OK US EN ]]

"M Winther" <ml...@swipnet.se> wrote in message news:52ac26cf$0$3761$c83e...@weathergirl-read.tele2.net...

> "Snidely" <snide...@gmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
> news:mn.703e7ddcd07b957b.127094@snitoo...
>> on 12/14/2013, M Winther supposed :
>>> Isn't "oftly" a word? It's not defined in my dictionaries.
>> A word for what?
>> I don't often hear it, so I'd have to guess at its meaning.
>> /dps

>> But happiness cannot be pursued; it must ensue. One must have a reason
>> to 'be happy.'"
>> Viktor Frankl
>
> "Oftly" in the sense of "recurrently".

< http://tellspell.com/english/oftly/308688/ >

[Snidely]

Iskandar Baharuddin formulated the question :

> On 14/12/13 5:02 PM, Snidely wrote:
>> on 12/14/2013, M Winther supposed :
>>> Isn't "oftly" a word? It's not defined in my dictionaries.
>>
>> A word for what?
>>
>> I don't often hear it, so I'd have to guess at its meaning.
>>
>> /dps
>>
> "Oftly, as in an orning unrise..."

My vote for post-of-the-month.

/dps

--
Ieri, oggi, domani

[Iskandar Baharuddin]

_ ind yself lushing. Hank ou.

[CDB]

On 14/12/2013 5:48 PM, Mike L wrote:
> "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:

["oftly"?]

>> It's in the OED, but see the third line below.

>> � oftly, adv. Etymology: < oft adv. + -ly suffix2. Compare oftenly

>> adv. Obs. rare. (poet. in later use).

>> = often adv.

>> a1225 (?OE) Rule St. Benet (Winteney) (1888) 69 Gyf hwylc

>> swuster oftlice [OE Corpus Cambr. oft r�dlice; L. frequenter]
>> ?e�read for hwylcum ?ilte by�.

Could someone who got those question-marks in the last line in their
original form say what it is? It seems they ought to be "g"s, but there
are some of those in the text.

>> 1592 W. Wyrley Lord Chandos in True Vse Armorie 62 Oftlie
>> returning vnto freends, I told, That I had seene of noblenes the
>> flower. 1844 E. B. Browning Catarina to Camoens xii, Will you
>> oftly Murmur softly.

> Ms Barrett Browning at her best was a better poet than she's given
> credit for, but it'd be wrong to take her as an authority. And that
> rhyme is a crhyme.

Will you oftly murmur softly
As my hopes soar off aloftly
And your promises grow waffly
"I'm behaving fraffly naffly,
But goodbyes are too, too ghaftly,
And I hope you won't mind awf'ly
If, without a lot of faff, we
Part our hearts with one last laugh. Oui?"

OK, that's a crhyme.


>

[James Hogg]

CDB wrote:
>>> a1225 (?OE) Rule St. Benet (Winteney) (1888) 69 Gyf hwylc

>>> swuster oftlice [OE Corpus Cambr. oft r�dlice; L. frequenter]

>>> ?e�read for hwylcum ?ilte by�.

>
> Could someone who got those question-marks in the last line in their
> original form say what it is? It seems they ought to be "g"s, but there
> are some of those in the text.

The question marks replaces yogh.

--
James

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Sun, 15 Dec 2013 08:29:31 -0500, CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 14/12/2013 5:48 PM, Mike L wrote:
>> "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
>
>["oftly"?]
>
>>> It's in the OED, but see the third line below.
>

>>> † oftly, adv. Etymology: < oft adv. + -ly suffix2. Compare oftenly

>>> adv. Obs. rare. (poet. in later use).
>
>>> = often adv.
>
>>> a1225 (?OE) Rule St. Benet (Winteney) (1888) 69 Gyf hwylc

>>> swuster oftlice [OE Corpus Cambr. oft rædlice; L. frequenter]
>>> ?eþread for hwylcum ?ilte byð.
>

>Could someone who got those question-marks in the last line in their
>original form say what it is? It seems they ought to be "g"s, but there
>are some of those in the text.
>

They are signs similar to "3" that are partly below the baseline. Are
they perhaps lower-case "z"s?

>>> 1592 W. Wyrley Lord Chandos in True Vse Armorie 62 Oftlie
>>> returning vnto freends, I told, That I had seene of noblenes the
>>> flower. 1844 E. B. Browning Catarina to Camoens xii, Will you
>>> oftly Murmur softly.
>
>> Ms Barrett Browning at her best was a better poet than she's given
>> credit for, but it'd be wrong to take her as an authority. And that
>> rhyme is a crhyme.
>
>Will you oftly murmur softly
>As my hopes soar off aloftly
>And your promises grow waffly
>"I'm behaving fraffly naffly,
>But goodbyes are too, too ghaftly,
>And I hope you won't mind awf'ly
>If, without a lot of faff, we
>Part our hearts with one last laugh. Oui?"
>
>OK, that's a crhyme.
>
>
>>

[CDB]

Thank you. That seemed the only other possibility, but I couldn't see a
reason for using both letters in the same text. The "G" of "Gyf" would
surely have been pronounced like the "g" of "gilte", both as [j].

[Mike L]

On Sun, 15 Dec 2013 08:29:31 -0500, CDB <belle...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 14/12/2013 5:48 PM, Mike L wrote:
>> "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
>
>["oftly"?]
>
>>> It's in the OED, but see the third line below.
>

>>> � oftly, adv. Etymology: < oft adv. + -ly suffix2. Compare oftenly

>>> adv. Obs. rare. (poet. in later use).
>
>>> = often adv.
>
>>> a1225 (?OE) Rule St. Benet (Winteney) (1888) 69 Gyf hwylc

>>> swuster oftlice [OE Corpus Cambr. oft r�dlice; L. frequenter]

>>> ?e�read for hwylcum ?ilte by�.

>
>Could someone who got those question-marks in the last line in their
>original form say what it is? It seems they ought to be "g"s, but there
>are some of those in the text.

v. Hogg J.

>
>>> 1592 W. Wyrley Lord Chandos in True Vse Armorie 62 Oftlie
>>> returning vnto freends, I told, That I had seene of noblenes the
>>> flower. 1844 E. B. Browning Catarina to Camoens xii, Will you
>>> oftly Murmur softly.
>
>> Ms Barrett Browning at her best was a better poet than she's given
>> credit for, but it'd be wrong to take her as an authority. And that
>> rhyme is a crhyme.
>
>Will you oftly murmur softly
>As my hopes soar off aloftly
>And your promises grow waffly
>"I'm behaving fraffly naffly,
>But goodbyes are too, too ghaftly,
>And I hope you won't mind awf'ly
>If, without a lot of faff, we
>Part our hearts with one last laugh. Oui?"
>
>OK, that's a crhyme.
>

Killing us brutally with your song.

--
Mike.

[Peter Moylan]

Don't you mean [x]? The point is that those words started with a yogh,
not a G.

--
Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org
For an e-mail address, see my web page.

[CDB]

On 16/12/2013 3:46 AM, Peter Moylan wrote:

> CDB wrote:
>> James Hogg wrote:
>>> CDB wrote:

>>>>>> a1225 (?OE) Rule St. Benet (Winteney) (1888) 69 Gyf
>>>>>> hwylc swuster oftlice [OE Corpus Cambr. oft r�dlice; L.
>>>>>> frequenter] ?e�read for hwylcum ?ilte by�.

>>>> Could someone who got those question-marks in the last line in
>>>> their original form say what it is? It seems they ought to be
>>>> "g"s, but there are some of those in the text.

>>> The question marks replaces yogh.

>> Thank you. That seemed the only other possibility, but I couldn't
>> see a reason for using both letters in the same text. The "G" of
>> "Gyf" would surely have been pronounced like the "g" of "gilte",
>> both as [j].

> Don't you mean [x]? The point is that those words started with a
> yogh, not a G.

Yes, but then why a "g" in "Gyf"? That's what has me puzzled.

The first word, "[g]ethread" was pretty clearly a past participle, with
a germanic prefixed "ge" which sound-changes had taken (we are told)
from early OE [gE] to late OE [j@]. The other word is "[g]ilte", guilt
or sin*. We have retained a northern form of the word, but I believe
the form here would have been a southern one, with [j], since Winteney
is not far from Winchester.

*In a version of The Lord's Prayer I learned (late OE), I would
pronounce these "g"s as [j]s: "and forgyf us ure gyltas, swa swa we
forgyfath urum gyltendum."

Yogh was pronounce differently according to its environment, so "mou3te"
(weevil, related to the "mug" in "mugwort") would have had [x] at one
point, I guess.