raid vs search

[Transition Zone]

I sometimes wish that the journalists can describe the difference between a 'raid' and a 'search'.
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[Paul Carmichael]

El Sun, 01 May 2022 13:34:42 -0700, Transition Zone escribió:

> I sometimes wish that the journalists can describe the difference
> between a 'raid' and a 'search'.

"Wish" - "could/would"


--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2022-05-02 07:27:29 +0000, Paul Carmichael said:

> El Sun, 01 May 2022 13:34:42 -0700, Transition Zone escribió:
>
>> I sometimes wish that the journalists can describe the difference
>> between a 'raid' and a 'search'.
>
> "Wish" - "could/would"

Yes, but it's not "wish" that you want, but "can".

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

[bruce bowser]

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 3:27:33 AM UTC-4, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Sun, 01 May 2022 13:34:42 -0700, Transition Zone escribió:
>
> > I sometimes wish that the journalists can describe the difference
> > between a 'raid' and a 'search'.
> "Wish" - "could/would"

I sometimes 'could' that the journalists can describe the difference
between a 'raid' and a 'search'? No.

I sometimes 'would' that the journalists can describe the difference
between a 'raid' and a 'search'? Nopety dopety.

[Paul Carmichael]

I presume you're making a "funny".

For the OP - "I wish they would fill my pool with 200 euro notes".

I would like to think that they can/could.

"I sometimes wish that the journos could/knew how to bla bla..."

English is odd.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

[bil...@shaw.ca]

Indeed. But if I were you I'd put a hyphen between 200 and Euro.
It could make the difference between 200 Euros and a fortune.

-- a retired journo

[musika]

You should put you sig-text on a separate line after the delimiter.

--
Ray
UK

[Quinn C]

* musika:

If intended as a sig. *Within* my sigs, I use the exact format as above
to mark the source of a quote, and that's how I read Bill's.

--
The country has its quota of fools and windbags; such people are
most prominent in politics, where their inherent weaknesses seem
less glaring and attract less ridicule than they would in other
walks of life. -- Robert Bothwell et.al.: Canada since 1945

[lar3ryca]

On 2022-05-02 17:11, Quinn C wrote:
> * musika:
>
>> On 02/05/2022 20:47, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:12:51 AM UTC-7, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>> El Mon, 02 May 2022 01:38:37 -0700, bruce bowser escribió:
>>
>>>> For the OP - "I wish they would fill my pool with 200 euro notes".
>>>>
>>>> I would like to think that they can/could.
>>>>
>>>> "I sometimes wish that the journos could/knew how to bla bla..."
>>>>
>>>> English is odd.
>>>>
>>> Indeed. But if I were you I'd put a hyphen between 200 and Euro.
>>> It could make the difference between 200 Euros and a fortune.
>>>
>>> -- a retired journo
>>>
>> You should put you sig-text on a separate line after the delimiter.
>
> If intended as a sig. *Within* my sigs, I use the exact format as above
> to mark the source of a quote, and that's how I read Bill's.

We should probably await Bill's comment, but to me, it sure doesn't look
like the source for a quote, and since Bill is, apparently, 'a retired
journo', I would guess he meant it as a signature.

[bil...@shaw.ca]

I used to do that, but it seemed unnecessary. The only thing I wanted
to say when signing off on a post was "bill". There is no more economical
way to do that than this:

bill

[bil...@shaw.ca]

Yes, much like that. A formatted sig takes up more resources than just "bill".
If you have to delete one line to make that work for you, I think it's worth
the price.

bill, I suppose I could say

-30-

[Paul Carmichael]

There is no ambiguity as there is no such thing as a one euro note.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

[Paul Carmichael]

El Mon, 02 May 2022 23:58:41 -0700, bil...@shaw.ca escribió:

> If you have to delete one line to make that work for you, I think it's
> worth the price.

<sig seps>

Which leads us back to the old "proper newsreader" argument. A newsreader
automatically deletes sigs when replying.


--

Everything down here will magically vanish in any reply.


Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

On 3 May 2022 07:24:20 GMT

Sylpheed is broken; I have to do it manually (so it doesn't always get done).


--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

[Richard Heathfield]

Or people forget to put a between -- and
in which case it isn't picked up as a sig.

(But Paul C's message had a space, so if you didn't hack that as
an example of your point then it was an example of your point (!)

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

[Peter Moylan]

On 03/05/22 19:42, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 03/05/2022 8:35 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>> On 3 May 2022 07:24:20 GMT
>> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> El Mon, 02 May 2022 23:58:41 -0700, bil...@shaw.ca escribió:
>>>
>>>> If you have to delete one line to make that work for you, I think it's
>>>> worth the price.
>>>
>>> <sig seps>
>>>
>>> Which leads us back to the old "proper newsreader" argument. A
>>> newsreader
>>> automatically deletes sigs when replying.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Everything down here will magically vanish in any reply.
>>>
>> Sylpheed is broken; I have to do it manually (so it doesn't always get
>> done).
>
> Or people forget to put a between -- and
> in which case it isn't picked up as a sig.
>
> (But Paul C's message had a space, so if you didn't hack that as an
> example of your point then it was an example of your point (!)

--

There is at least one newsreader - I forget which - that removes
trailing spaces from lines, therefore wrecking the signature separator.
Because of this, there is at least one newsreader (possibly the same
one) that interprets "--" as a signature separator.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

On Tue, 3 May 2022 20:01:04 +1000
Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

> On 03/05/22 19:42, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> > On 03/05/2022 8:35 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> >> On 3 May 2022 07:24:20 GMT
> >> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> El Mon, 02 May 2022 23:58:41 -0700, bil...@shaw.ca escribió:
> >>>
> >>>> If you have to delete one line to make that work for you, I think it's
> >>>> worth the price.
> >>>
> >>> <sig seps>
> >>>
> >>> Which leads us back to the old "proper newsreader" argument. A
> >>> newsreader
> >>> automatically deletes sigs when replying.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Everything down here will magically vanish in any reply.
> >>>
> >> Sylpheed is broken; I have to do it manually (so it doesn't always get
> >> done).
> >
> > Or people forget to put a between -- and
> > in which case it isn't picked up as a sig.
> >
> > (But Paul C's message had a space, so if you didn't hack that as an
> > example of your point then it was an example of your point (!)
>

The latter.

> --
>
> There is at least one newsreader - I forget which - that removes
> trailing spaces from lines, therefore wrecking the signature separator.
> Because of this, there is at least one newsreader (possibly the same
> one) that interprets "--" as a signature separator.
>

It was MS Outlook Express, IIRC.

> --
> Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Sig not snipped just to emphasise my poor choice of reader; I think I went to it for WTF-8 support.

[Quinn C]

* lar3ryca:

Sure, his choice, but one shouldn't forget that reading a signature is
optional, like a footnote.

--
There is, at a women's college, always some emancipating
encouragement for those with masculine tastes for such things
as mathematics, philosophy, and friendship.
-- Jane Rule, This Is Not For You, p.15

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:20:50 AM UTC-4, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Mon, 02 May 2022 12:47:50 -0700, bil...@shaw.ca escribió:
> > On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:12:51 AM UTC-7, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> >> > On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 3:27:33 AM UTC-4, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> >> >> El Sun, 01 May 2022 13:34:42 -0700, Transition Zone escribió:

> >> >> > I sometimes wish that the journalists can describe the difference
> >> >> > between a 'raid' and a 'search'.
> >> >> "Wish" - "could/would"

> >> For the OP - "I wish they would fill my pool with 200 euro notes".
> >> I would like to think that they can/could.
> >> "I sometimes wish that the journos could/knew how to bla bla..."
> >> English is odd.
> > Indeed. But if I were you I'd put a hyphen between 200 and Euro. It
> > could make the difference between 200 Euros and a fortune.
>
> There is no ambiguity as there is no such thing as a one euro note.

Then everyone would know that "200 euro notes" doesn't refer to
1-euro notes.

Even 200 of the largest extant euro notes wouldn't exactly be a
fortune alongside a (swimming?) pool full of 200-euro notes.

[lar3ryca]

Referring to Lookout Express Virus Magnet?

[bruce bowser]

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> * lar3ryca:
> > On 2022-05-02 17:11, Quinn C wrote:
> >> * musika:
> >>
> >>> On 02/05/2022 20:47, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:12:51 AM UTC-7, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> >>>>> El Mon, 02 May 2022 01:38:37 -0700, bruce bowser escribió:
> >>>
> >>>>> For the OP - "I wish they would fill my pool with 200 euro notes".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would like to think that they can/could.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "I sometimes wish that the journos could/knew how to bla bla..."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> English is odd.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Indeed. But if I were you I'd put a hyphen between 200 and Euro.
> >>>> It could make the difference between 200 Euros and a fortune.
> >>>>
> >>>> -- a retired journo
> >>>>
> >>> You should put you sig-text on a separate line after the delimiter.
> >>
> >> If intended as a sig. *Within* my sigs, I use the exact format as above
> >> to mark the source of a quote, and that's how I read Bill's.
> >
> > We should probably await Bill's comment, but to me, it sure doesn't look
> > like the source for a quote, and since Bill is, apparently, 'a retired
> > journo', I would guess he meant it as a signature.
> Sure, his choice, but one shouldn't forget that reading a signature is
> optional, like a footnote.

I wonder if 'journo' could also mean you know, just a morning person.

[bruce bowser]

Excluding the 13,600 Google search results for: 'one euro note'.

[Silvano]

bruce bowser hat am 03.05.2022 um 18:48 geschrieben:

> Excluding the 13,600 Google search results for: 'one euro note'.

So what? Paul is right and one euro notes simply do not exist.
A few people had proposed to introduce them, but they lost the argument.
Most of them live in Italy, where they had 1,000 lire notes before the euro.
1,000 lire = .51 or .52 euro. Quite a lot of Italians did not grasp at
first that coins had become valuable. In particular, 1 and 2 euro coins
are worth more than a 1,000 and even a 2,000 lire note.
Also, the smallest euro note, 5 euros, is worth almost the same as the
old 10,000 lire note and twice the value of the 5,000 lire note.

Out of curiosity, the Czech Republic had 50 crown notes (less than 2
euro) and coins, but later on they kept only the coins. I was told in
Prague that they dropped the notes because the productions of the coins
may be a bit more expensive, but coins last much longer than notes,
especially notes used so often.

[Paul Carmichael]

Erm, are you being serious?


--
Paul.

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[Peter Moylan]

38 results, in fact. Google can't count.

[lar3ryca]

On 2022-05-04 03:51, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Tue, 03 May 2022 09:48:26 -0700, bruce bowser escribió:
>
>> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:20:50 AM UTC-4, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>
>>> There is no ambiguity as there is no such thing as a one euro note.
>>
>> Excluding the 13,600 Google search results for: 'one euro note'.
>
>
> Erm, are you being serious?

Hard to tell. It _is_ bowser after all.

But Google.ca does give a number close to it, 13,200, in fact.

However, it is quite obvious that he either didn't follow the links or
that he did, and is being his usual self.

[bruce bowser]

Either way, you admit that the 13,600, not 13,200, but the 13,600 links are there, right?

[Joy Beeson]

On 3 May 2022 07:20:45 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> El Mon, 02 May 2022 12:47:50 -0700, bil...@shaw.ca escribió:

[snip]

> > Indeed. But if I were you I'd put a hyphen between 200 and Euro. It
> > could make the difference between 200 Euros and a fortune.
>
> There is no ambiguity as there is no such thing as a one euro note.

The non-existance of one-Euro notes has nothing to do with the case.

And you are rashly assuming that the magical pool-fillers won't
*create* one-Euro notes.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

Real Life (TM) has put me far, far behind in reading Usenet.

[bruce bowser]

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 8:19:11 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 04/05/22 02:48, bruce bowser wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:20:50 AM UTC-4, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>
> >> There is no ambiguity as there is no such thing as a one euro note.
> >
> > Excluding the 13,600 Google search results for: 'one euro note'.
> 38 results, in fact. Google can't count.

And you can count any better?

[Peter Moylan]

Are you suggesting that there weren't 38 results in total? Try counting
them yourself; for so few results it takes only a few seconds.

The answer varies by location, of course, and probably other factors.
Today there were only 35 results.

Google's estimated count is often wildly off.

[lar3ryca]

I wonder what they count. When I search for "one euro note" (with
quotes), I am told there are "About 14,800 results (0.64 seconds)".

When I look at "Images for 'one euro note', I see that there are a LOT
of them. I gave up counting at 200.

Interestingly enough, while counting, I came across this image of a one
Euro note:

https://www.eslprintables.com/powerpoint.asp?id=83258
Click on Page 10 to see it.

Photoshop? Design never implemented? Used to be one, but now discontinued?

[bruce bowser]

So you can count. Great! We don't exactly appear here because we enjoy math.

[Snidely]

Yeah, but giving Google's number too much weight is something even an
English major can understand.

/dps

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