What's the opposite of coolant?
j...@radidelmex.net
Mike L
j...@radiDELMEx.net wrote:
>
>Hotant?
No, that's the opposite of 'coldant'. The opposite of 'coolant' is 'warmant'.
Mike.
LarryLard
> Hotant?
Hmm. When I think of coolant, I think of something pumped round pipes in a
hot place, so that it will pick up heat and carry that heat away, rendering
the hot place less hot. I *can* think of an opposite situation - domestic
central heating by radiators - but I don't know if there is a technical term
for the water in the pipes, that expresses its function.
http://www.aa.washington.edu/AERP/CRYOCAR/sae97/sae97.html uses 'warmant',
as suggested by another reply to your post, but puts it in " " to suggest
the author doesn't like the word. (ObAue: these are called 'scare quotes',
right?)
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perchprism
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Yup.
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Fabian
<j...@radiDELMEx.net> wrote in message news:9vqfcm$s7t$2...@news1.Radix.Net...
"liquid that is used to transport heat to a cold area".
There isn't a single word.
Not every concept has a useful opposite meaning. Indeed, not every concept
has an opposite at all.
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R H Draney
>Hotant?
Looks like "calorifacient" is the best you're going to do...(thought
there might be an equivalent term from "therm-", but OED's not helping
me on that score)....r
Bob Stahl
>j...@radiDELMEx.net:
>>Hotant?
>Looks like "calorifacient" is the best you're going to do...
>but OED's not helping me on that score).
Heat bath, conductor, caloric, phlogiston.
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Robert Lipton
Fabian wrote:
>
> <j...@radiDELMEx.net> wrote in message news:9vqfcm$s7t$2...@news1.Radix.Net...
>
> "liquid that is used to transport heat to a cold area".
>
> There isn't a single word.
>
> Not every concept has a useful opposite meaning. Indeed, not every concept
> has an opposite at all.
>
Indeed, not every concept needs a single word.
Bob
Ray Heindl
> Hotant?
Coolant. If it's heating up something, it must get the heat from
something else by cooling it.
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Pirkko Sand
>Hotant?
It could be an ant that wears his baseball cap with the visor forward.
Jan Sand
John Freck
j...@radiDELMEx.net wrote:
> Hotant?
Warmer
Heater
Exothemic fluid or is it endothemic fluid?
J. Freck
Skitt
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I think, you have picked the wrong theme to elaborate on.
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Franke
> Hotant?
>
"heater" or "thermogenerant".
Franke
It's "mesothermic".
John Emery
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"LarryLard" <larr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hotant?
>
>Hmm. When I think of coolant, I think of something pumped round
pipes in
>a
>hot place, so that it will pick up heat and carry that heat away,
>rendering
>the hot place less hot. I *can* think of an opposite situation -
>domestic
>central heating by radiators - but I don't know if there is a technical
>term
>for the water in the pipes, that expresses its function.
>
The coolant in my car first cools the engine, then heats the
passenger compartment.
Ray Chason
How does "thermophore" sound?
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j...@radidelmex.net
> <j...@radiDELMEx.net> wrote in message news:9vqfcm$s7t$2...@news1.Radix.Net...
> "liquid that is used to transport heat to a cold area".
> There isn't a single word.
> Not every concept has a useful opposite meaning. Indeed, not every concept
> has an opposite at all.
I also asked someone at work, and they also pointed out there's no
corresponding term to 'warmth'.
It's a mystery to me how you can mix two fluids with different freezing
points (water and anti-freeze) and get a fluid with a lower freezing point
than both.
j...@radidelmex.net
> Heat bath, conductor, caloric, phlogiston.
So what do people add to water that acts like a phlogiston (opposite
of a coolant)?
J. J. Lodder
The caloric was the heat fluidum itself,
not the medium carrying the heat,
Jan
J. J. Lodder
> Hotant?
Working fluid,
both ways,
in dumb engineerese,
Jan
John O'Flaherty
>
> John Freck <fre...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >j...@radiDELMEx.net wrote:
> >
> >> Hotant?
> >
> >Warmer
> >
> >Heater
> >
> >Exothemic fluid or is it endothemic fluid?
>
> How does "thermophore" sound?
That's good. Works either way, too.
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john
Bob Stahl
> Bob Stahl:
> > Heat bath, conductor, caloric, phlogiston.
> So what do people add to water that acts like a
> phlogiston (opposite of a coolant)?
Heat.
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Fabian
<j...@radiDELMEx.net> wrote in message news:9vsub4$7pq$2...@news1.Radix.Net...
> It's a mystery to me how you can mix two fluids with different freezing
> points (water and anti-freeze) and get a fluid with a lower freezing
point
> than both.
Yet you find it perfectly unremarkable that salt (frozen sodium cloride),
which has a very high freezing point, should lower the freezing point of
water even further?
Truly, that is remarkable.
Fabian
<j...@radiDELMEx.net> wrote in message news:9vsuf8$7pq$3...@news1.Radix.Net...
Phlogiston is not the opposite of coolant. Phlogiston is a result of bad
physics in the late 19th century. The theory was that phlogiston was a
substance contained in teh air, which was absorbed by objecrts as they are
burned.
Bob Stahl
> Bob Stahl:
> > R H Draney:
> > >j...@radiDELMEx.net:
> > >>Hotant?
> > >Looks like "calorifacient" is the best you're going to do...
> > >(thought there might be an equivalent term from "therm-",
> > >but OED's not helping me on that score).
> > Heat bath, conductor, caloric, phlogiston.
> The caloric was the heat fluidum itself,
> not the medium carrying the heat
Somehow I was able to absorb fluid mechanics and groundwater flow in
school, but thermodynamics never made a dent. "Caloric" (noun) and
"pholigston" may be archaic or scientifically problematic, but this is a
far from a sci.* ng. Perhaps the original poster was writing for the
19th century.
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Bob Stahl
Apurbva Chandra Senray
> Hotant?
Anti-freeze?
Ray Heindl
>> Not every concept has a useful opposite meaning. Indeed, not every
>> concept has an opposite at all.
>
> I also asked someone at work, and they also pointed out there's no
> corresponding term to 'warmth'.
What about 'coolness'?
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Fabian
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That is a property of the Fonz, not of the temperature.
Richard Fontana
Indeed. And the opposite of "coolness" is "nerdiness", which is a
property of Potsy Webber.
Bob Stahl
> Fabian:
> >Ray Heindl:
> >> j...@radiDELMEx.net wrote in news:9vsub4$7pq$2...@news1.Radix.Net:
> >> >> Not every concept has a useful opposite meaning. Indeed,
> >> >> not every concept has an opposite at all.
> >> > I also asked someone at work, and they also pointed out
> >> > there's no corresponding term to 'warmth'.
> >> What about 'coolness'?
By way of Wolfman Jack.
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Bob Stahl
Richard Fontana
I'd forgotten this if I ever knew it, but apparently Wolfman Jack was the
narrator of the animated series _The Fonz and the Happy Days Gang_.
Evidently it ran from 1980 to 1982. Yesterdayland says:
The success of the sitcom Happy Days led to this offbeat
animated spinoff, wherein the Fonz, Richie, and Ralph
came across a time machine piloted by a future girl named
Cupcake (an homage, perhaps, to Joanie's nickname
"Shortcake"?)
The time machine was used both to teach children about
different periods of history and to create humorous
situations where Fonzie, so cool in his 1950's Milwaukee,
Wisconsin setting, would stand out even more than usual.
Along for the time-tripping ride was Mr. Cool, Fonzie's
dog. Mr. Cool, voiced by cartoon king Frank Welker,
would mimic his master's trademarked expression,
"Ayyyy," even using the same thumbs up gesture.
The actors from the original series actually did the voice
work for this show, while Cupcake was voiced by Didi Cohn, who played
Frenchie in that other piece of 50's nostalgia, Grease.
http://www.yesterdayland.com/popopedia/shows/saturday/sa1140.php
Wolfman Jack was himself closely associated with the 1950s nostalgia
movement of the 1970s, beginning with his cameo appearance in _American
Graffiti_, which itself inspired the sitcom _Happy Days_. To children in
the mid-to-late '70s and early '80s he was certainly a well-known public
figure.
J. J. Lodder
Eigthteenth actually,
demolished by Lavoisier, Priestly, and others.
In particular it was discovered that 'dephlogistonated air'
was too poor a concept to describe the variety
of phenomena presented by atmospheric chemistry,
And it was the other way round, phlogiston was liberated by burning.
For example, all metals look alike: they are all rich in phlogiston,
which is liberated when they corrode to different kinds of 'earth'.
Jan
J. J. Lodder
Should suit you then.
The 'caloric' was abandoned with the invention of thermodynamics,
mid 19th century,
Jan
Bob Stahl
>Fabian:
> >jfw:
> > > Bob Stahl:
> > > > Heat bath, conductor, caloric, phlogiston.
> > > So what do people add to water that acts like a phlogiston
> > > (opposite of a coolant)?
> > Phlogiston is not the opposite of coolant. Phlogiston is a
> > result of bad physics in the late 19th century. The theory
> > was that phlogiston was a substance contained in teh air,
> > which was absorbed by objecrts as they are burned.
> Eigthteenth actually,
> demolished by Lavoisier, Priestly, and others.
> In particular it was discovered that 'dephlogistonated air'
> was too poor a concept to describe the variety
> of phenomena presented by atmospheric chemistry,
> And it was the other way round, phlogiston was liberated by
> burning. For example, all metals look alike: they are all
> rich in phlogiston, which is liberated when they corrode to
> different kinds of 'earth'.
The Penguin Dictionary of Science agrees on "phlogiston theory", citing
Lavoisier as having refuted it.
The online MWD dates "phlogiston" to 1733, "caloric" to 1792.
As it turns out, a namesake of mine was associated with "phlogiston",
and the origin of the concept probably dates to the late 17th century --
a "Glossary of Archaic Chemical Terms" gives:
phlogiston: a hypothetical elastic fluid which was seen as a metalizing
and combustible principle. Metals were seen as the result of combining
calces with phlogiston; smelting expelled the phlogiston. In combustion,
phlogiston leaves the combustible body to combine with air or saturate
air. The theory of phlogiston is associated with Stahl. [Cavendish,
Priestley, Scheele, Watt et al.]
http://webserver.lemoyne.edu/faculty/giunta/archemm.html#phlogiston
caloric: a postulated elastic fluid associated with heat. [Avogadro,
Davy, Dalton, Lavoisier, et al.]
http://webserver.lemoyne.edu/faculty/giunta/archemc.html#caloric
More on the origins of "phlogiston" as a concept:
http://webserver.lemoyne.edu/faculty/giunta/stahl.html
The earliest Google-able "phlogiston" glosses appear in 1983, WRT
debunking of creationism in net.followup and net.physics; later in
net.religion and net.philosophy. It's been likened to "scientific
bogosity" and similar chimaerae.
A wag posting to alt.flame in 1987 equated "flammage" with "phlogiston".
"Phlogiston" was an element of "Spelljammer", a space-oriented D&D-type
game (c.1990), in which it appears that some of the principles of Georg
Ernst Stahl's archaic science are preserved:
http://www.darkwood.org/rpg/compendium/rules/fastplay2e.html
"Worlds in SJ are typically planets which are part of larger systems
called a 'spheres'. Sphere systems are literally surrounded by
unimaginably huge spheres made up of an unknown material which seems
indestructible (called 'Crystal Spheres'). These spheres in turn bob
about in a substance called phlogiston, or the Flow, which is incredibly
flammable but seems to be incapable of existing within a sphere.
Otherwise it is undetectable except for the brilliant, chaotic collors
it is composed of. It is odorless and seems to have no effect on
breathing. In the Flow planar contact of any sort is impossible, even
for the gods/powers."
A bibiography of "What-If" science fiction lists a Howard Waldrop story,
"...The World as We Know't", in Shayol #6; Howard Who? Twelve
Outstanding Stories of Speculative Fiction (Doubleday 1986, 038519708X);
Strange Things in Close-Up (Legend 1989, 0099644401); and The Norton
Book of Science Fiction: North American Science Fiction, 1960-1990 (eds.
Ursula K. LeGuin & Brian Attebery) (Norton 1993, 0393034568).
What if: Phlogiston exists.
Story: A late 19th-century scientist attempts to isolate pure
phlogiston, with apocalyptic results.
http://www.steampunk.com/sfch/bibliographies/alternate-histories/
But it's an elegant word, and I'm glad it's been preserved.
Just randomly digging,
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Bob Stahl
Don Aitken
Lodder) wrote:
>Fabian <mu...@chung.ii> wrote:
>
>> Phlogiston is not the opposite of coolant. Phlogiston is a result of bad
>> physics in the late 19th century. The theory was that phlogiston was a
>> substance contained in teh air, which was absorbed by objecrts as they are
>> burned.
>
>Eigthteenth actually,
>demolished by Lavoisier, Priestly, and others.
>
>In particular it was discovered that 'dephlogistonated air'
>was too poor a concept to describe the variety
>of phenomena presented by atmospheric chemistry,
>
Dephlogisticated.
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Don Aitken
J. J. Lodder
J. J. Lodder
You might also like Thomas Kuhn's treatment of phlogiston in his:
"The Structure of Scientific Revolutions"
He treats the phlogiston theory as a scientific theory,
and the replacement of phlogiston by oxygen as a scientific revolution,
with involves one of his now-famous 'paradigm shifts'.
He apparently likes the example very much, for it shows
that scientific revolutions may also involve loss of understanding:
the phlogiston theory explained why metals look alike;
the oxygen theory gave no clue at all.
Some understanding was restored only a hundred years later,
with the free electron theory of metals. (Drude, Lorentz)
Best,
Jan
Mike Oliver
>>>Fabian:
>>> > Phlogiston is not the opposite of coolant. Phlogiston is a
>>> > result of bad physics in the late 19th century. The theory
>>> > was that phlogiston was a substance contained in teh air,
>>> > which was absorbed by objecrts as they are burned.
>
> "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions"
>
> He treats the phlogiston theory as a scientific theory,
> and the replacement of phlogiston by oxygen as a scientific revolution,
> with involves one of his now-famous 'paradigm shifts'.
I haven't read the Kuhn, but I think this raises an important
point. Phlogiston wasn't *bad* physics (chemistry?); it was just
physics/chemistry that turned out to be wrong. It is in the
nature of scientific theories that they can turn out to be wrong;
this is just about exactly Popper's criterion for distinguishing
science from nonscience.
There's no need for us to be getting all superior just because
we know their theory was wrong. Plenty of ours may be wrong
too, merely awaiting sufficiently sophisticated experiments
for their refutation.
Bob Stahl
> There's no need for us to be getting all superior just because
> we know their theory was wrong. Plenty of ours may be wrong
> too, merely awaiting sufficiently sophisticated experiments
> for their refutation.
I was wondering more about the moment when the original German
chemist sat down and named it for posterity.
http://webserver.lemoyne.edu/faculty/giunta/stahl.html
"From all these various conditions, therefore, I have believed
that it should be given a name, as the first, unique, basic,
inflammable principle. But since it cannot, until this hour, be
found by itself, outside of all compounds and unions with other
materials, and so there are no grounds or basis for giving a
descriptive name based on properties, I have felt that it is
most fitting to name it from its general action, which it
customarily shows in all its compounds. And therefore I have
chosen the Greek name phlogiston, in German, Brennlich."
"Phlegm", another archaic chemical principle, has the same
root as "phlogiston" -- the Greek _phlegein_, to burn.
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Bob Stahl