Adverb of "ugly"?

[Christian Weisgerber]

What's the adverb that goes along with the adjective "ugly"?

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[Markus Laker]

na...@mips.pfalz.de (Christian Weisgerber):

> What's the adverb that goes along with the adjective "ugly"?

Believe it or not, it's 'uglily'. Ain't that ugly?

There's a verb 'uglify', meaning 'make ugly', and from there we derive
the noun 'uglification', which Prince Charles recently hit the headlines
for using. The Times described it as an 'excrescense'; I've waited
until now for a chance to mention that little irony.

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[Paul Bogrow]

Christian Weisgerber <na...@mips.pfalz.de> wrote:
>What's the adverb that goes along with the adjective "ugly"?

Plug? Butt?

[Earle D. Jones]

In article <52kbr3$j...@mips.pfalz.de>, na...@mips.pfalz.de (Christian
Weisgerber) wrote:

> What's the adverb that goes along with the adjective "ugly"?
>

> --

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Great question!

With so many adverbs ending in -ly, how do we create an adverb for an
adjective ending in -ly?

"He treated me uglyly"?

earle
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[mayoor butani]

uglily is the correct adv. form of ugly
in case you ever need to use it

[Lars Eighner]

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the lovely and talented na...@mips.pfalz.de (Christian Weisgerber) wrote:

>What's the adverb that goes along with the adjective "ugly"?

"Ugly" itself has been used as an adverb since the 14th
century, but you may prefer "uglily."

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[Bengo]

On Sun, 29 Sep 1996, Earle D. Jones wrote:

> In article <52kbr3$j...@mips.pfalz.de>, na...@mips.pfalz.de (Christian

> Weisgerber) wrote:
>
> > What's the adverb that goes along with the adjective "ugly"?

> =====
> Great question!
>
> With so many adverbs ending in -ly, how do we create an adverb for an
> adjective ending in -ly?
>
> "He treated me uglyly"?
>
> earle
> =====

No, the -y should virtually always turn to an -i- when adding a suffix.
Therefore, I vote uglily. Now what about silly? Sillily?

Franklily, I don't think adjectives ending in -ly should be
so uglily adverbed. Recast the sentence or skip the second -ly suffix.
So how 'bout: "He treated me ugly." Grammarians might not appreciate
it, but it is based on loose analogy with other words which are both
adjectives and adverbs. To me it sounds colloquial, almost as if it were
right out of a Western film. Maybe even poetic.

--Bengo

(Hmmm, if someone made something lily white, did he or she whiten it
*lillily*?)

[Thomas Pscheidt]

In <+L5TyAwZq...@io.com> eig...@io.com (Lars Eighner) writes:

>"Ugly" itself has been used as an adverb since the 14th
>century, but you may prefer "uglily."

Or perhaps simply "in an ugly manner."

[Alastair Rae]

Bengo (b...@hopper.unh.edu) wrote:
> > > What's the adverb that goes along with the adjective "ugly"?

> ... the -y should virtually always turn to an -i- when adding a suffix.

> Therefore, I vote uglily. Now what about silly? Sillily?

> Franklily, I don't think adjectives ending in -ly should be
> so uglily adverbed. Recast the sentence or skip the second -ly suffix.
> So how 'bout: "He treated me ugly." Grammarians might not appreciate
> it, but it is based on loose analogy with other words which are both
> adjectives and adverbs. To me it sounds colloquial, almost as if it were
> right out of a Western film. Maybe even poetic.

I strongly disagree. Both "sillily" and "uglily" are both in common use.
Examples: "he behaved so sillily", "he did it so uglily". The first l in
"uglily" is not sounded and the word is spoken as three even syllables.

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[Patrick C Flumignan]

Bengo wrote:

> No, the -y should virtually always turn to an -i- when adding a suffix.

> Therefore, I vote uglily. Now what about silly? Sillily?
>
> Franklily, I don't think adjectives ending in -ly should be
> so uglily adverbed. Recast the sentence or skip the second -ly suffix.
> So how 'bout: "He treated me ugly." Grammarians might not appreciate
> it, but it is based on loose analogy with other words which are both
> adjectives and adverbs. To me it sounds colloquial, almost as if it were
> right out of a Western film. Maybe even poetic.
>

> --Bengo
>
> (Hmmm, if someone made something lily white, did he or she whiten it
> *lillily*?)

one that i have heard is "funnily," as to say that "so-and-so ran down
the street funnily." but, that sounds funny. so, i would say
"so-and-so ran down the street in a funny way."

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[00nzwi...@bsuvc.bsu.edu]

In article <52seqm$e...@relay1.mdis.com>, AR...@uk.mdis.com (Alastair Rae) writes:
> Bengo (b...@hopper.unh.edu) wrote:
>> > > What's the adverb that goes along with the adjective "ugly"?

>> ... the -y should virtually always turn to an -i- when adding a suffix.

>> Therefore, I vote uglily. Now what about silly? Sillily?
>
>> Franklily, I don't think adjectives ending in -ly should be
>> so uglily adverbed. Recast the sentence or skip the second -ly suffix.
>> So how 'bout: "He treated me ugly." Grammarians might not appreciate
>> it, but it is based on loose analogy with other words which are both
>> adjectives and adverbs. To me it sounds colloquial, almost as if it were
>> right out of a Western film. Maybe even poetic.
>

> I strongly disagree. Both "sillily" and "uglily" are both in common use.
> Examples: "he behaved so sillily", "he did it so uglily". The first l in
> "uglily" is not sounded and the word is spoken as three even syllables.

A rose by any other name would be an uglily.
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[Colin Fine]

In article <52seqm$e...@relay1.mdis.com>, Alastair Rae <AR...@uk.mdis.com>
writes

>I strongly disagree. Both "sillily" and "uglily" are both in common use.
>Examples: "he behaved so sillily", "he did it so uglily".

I Agree.

>The first l in
>"uglily" is not sounded and the word is spoken as three even syllables.

What????
The first 'l' certainly is pronounced.
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[Jeremy C. Johnson]

> What's the adverb that goes along with the adjective "ugly"?

While "uglily" may be a word in some dictionaries, mine (thankfully)
does not have it. I think that "in an ugly manner" flows more smoothly
than "uglily."

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[J. Shaw]

What adverbs correspond to the adjectives "cowardly",
"saintly", "heavenly", "earthly" and "surly"?

[Bob Bridges]

J. Shaw <MEN...@leeds.ac.uk> wrote in article
<53gak3$7us...@leeds.ac.uk>...

> What adverbs correspond to the adjectives "cowardly",
> "saintly", "heavenly", "earthly" and "surly"?

That would be "saintly", "heavenly", "earthly" and "surlily". Don't ask me
to explain why the last one is different, nor even to defend my answer
against all the nay-sayers who will now tell me I'm wrong - they may be
right. (Well, it's theoretically possible.)

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[Bent Slottved]

Jeremy C. Johnson <john...@falcon.jmu.edu> skrev i artiklen
<53e03i$m...@doc.jmu.edu>...

> > What's the adverb that goes along with the adjective "ugly"?
>
> While "uglily" may be a word in some dictionaries, mine (thankfully)
> does not have it. I think that "in an ugly manner" flows more smoothly
> than "uglily."
>
> Jeremy
>

In the above example, ugly _is_ an adjective so naturally it flows more
smoothly than uglily. According to The Concise Oxford Dictionary, the
adverb that goes with ugly is uglily. Longman Dictionary of English
Language and Culture doesn't state an adverb with ugly (it does with other
adjectives).

In Michael Swan's "Practical English Usage" 2nd edition pg. 21 is says:

"Some words ending on -ly are adjectives, and not normally adverbs.
Commen exampels: costly, cowardly, deadly, friendly, likely, lively,
lonely,
lovely, silly, UGLY, unlikely."

Unfortunately, it doesn't go on and tell you what to do when these words
are needed as an adverb. The following section talks about adjectives and
adverbs with the same form and the list included in this section (3 pages)
does not include ugly.

From this, I would suggest that the correct adverb is uglily but I doubt
that I would use it.

Bettina

[Lee Rudolph]

"Bent Slottved" <slot...@daimi.aau.dk> writes:

>From this, I would suggest that the correct adverb is uglily but I doubt
>that I would use it.

Uglilies that fester smell far worse than ugweeds.

Lee Rudolph, contemplating the good, the bad, and the ugry

[Jim Strain]

In article <01bbbd37$0f6eef40$LocalHost@bountiful>, "Bent Slottved"
<slot...@daimi.aau.dk> wrote:

> In Michael Swan's "Practical English Usage" 2nd edition pg. 21 is says:
>
> "Some words ending on -ly are adjectives, and not normally adverbs.
> Commen exampels: costly, cowardly, deadly, friendly, likely, lively,
> lonely,
> lovely, silly, UGLY, unlikely."
>
> Unfortunately, it doesn't go on and tell you what to do when these words
> are needed as an adverb. The following section talks about adjectives and
> adverbs with the same form and the list included in this section (3 pages)
> does not include ugly.
>

> From this, I would suggest that the correct adverb is uglily but I doubt
> that I would use it.
>

> Bettina

It was probably something like this that made Gabriel Garcia Marquez
swear off adverbs forever.
. . . jim strain in san diego.

[miss.ma...@gmail.com]

Some adjectives end in -ly:ugly, friendly etc.if we want to use them as adverbs, we say: in a ugly way/ manner.

[Horace LaBadie]

In article <8ab0da1e-e67b-4d53...@googlegroups.com>,

miss.ma...@gmail.com wrote:

> Some adjectives end in -ly:ugly, friendly etc.if we want to use them as
> adverbs, we say: in a ugly way/ manner.

Those are still adjectival usages.

Uglily is the adverb derived from ugly, and is, predictably, ugly.

[bebe...@aol.com]

As would have been "predictablely" without the haplology.

[Peter T. Daniels]

This thread was initiated on September 29, 1996, by none other than
Christian Weisgerber, who remains active on sci.lang.

And I believe Colin Fine, who was heard from on October 5, still
sometimes appears here. (There were 18 messages before the resuscitation.)

[Madrigal Gurneyhalt]

Technically, yes, but I can't imagine anyone actually uses it whilst
there has been a common adverbial use of the adjective for some
time now in sports; "to win ugly".

[Peter Moylan]

Copy mailed to miss.ma...@gmail.com, with a suggestion to check the
other articles in the thread in future.

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[John Varela]

In "ugly green color", aren't the words adverb, adjective, noun?

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[Ross]

Not for me. It's just like "beautiful green colour".

[Ross]

Same problem with "friendly". And for that one there really should be
an adverb.
Any others? "Comely", maybe?

[Peter T. Daniels]

How would she know that there are "other articles" or "a thread"?

[snide...@gmail.com]

On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 7:20:05 PM UTC-8, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 7:33:11 PM UTC-5, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > On 15/12/18 09:00, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

[...]

> > > This thread was initiated on September 29, 1996, by none other than
> > > Christian Weisgerber, who remains active on sci.lang.
> > > And I believe Colin Fine, who was heard from on October 5, still
> > > sometimes appears here. (There were 18 messages before the resuscitation.)
> >
> > Copy mailed to miss.ma...@gmail.com, with a suggestion to check the
> > other articles in the thread in future.
>
> How would she know that there are "other articles" or "a thread"?

Easy! Peter M told her!

/dps

[RHDraney]

Silly....r

[Jerry Friedman]

As "amicably" doesn't always cut the mustard.

> Any others? "Comely", maybe?

R pointed out the best one, but "lovely" and "goodly"... well, here's a
list.

https://polyglotclub.com/wiki/Language/English/Grammar/Adjectives-ending-in-ly

--
Jerry Friedman

[bill van]

To my mind, ugly and green are both adjectives independently modifying "color"
and interacting with each other a little bit.

If you want ugly to modify green, you can make it clear by putting
a hyphen between them.

bill

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

It's an interesting list, and longer than I would have guessed.
However, it includes

> Slowly (Can also be an adverb)

I can't immediately think of a plausible sentence in which "slowly" is
an adjective. Its opposite, "fast" certainly does double duty.



--
athel

[Jerry Friedman]

On 12/15/18 4:04 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2018-12-15 04:41:32 +0000, Jerry Friedman said:
>
>> On 12/14/18 7:43 PM, Ross wrote:
>>> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 7:20:16 AM UTC+13, Horace LaBadie
>>> wrote:
>>>> In article <8ab0da1e-e67b-4d53...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> miss.ma...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Some adjectives end in -ly:ugly, friendly etc.if we want to use
>>>>> them as adverbs, we say: in a ugly way/ manner.
>>>>
>>>> Those are still adjectival usages.
>>>>
>>>> Uglily is the adverb derived from ugly, and is, predictably, ugly.
>>>
>>> Same problem with "friendly". And for that one there really should be
>>> an adverb.
>>
>> As "amicably" doesn't always cut the mustard.
>>
>>> Any others? "Comely", maybe?
>>
>> R pointed out the best one, but "lovely" and "goodly"... well, here's
>> a list.
>>
>> https://polyglotclub.com/wiki/Language/English/Grammar/Adjectives-ending-in-ly
>>
>
> It's an interesting list, and longer than I would have guessed.

Same here.

Some don't tempt me to form adverbs, such as "goodly" and "shapely".

> However, it includes
>
>> Slowly (Can also be an adverb)
>
> I can't immediately think of a plausible sentence in which "slowly" is
> an adjective. Its opposite, "fast" certainly does double duty.

I agree. Also, all the time words such as "nightly" and "monthly" can
also be adverbs, though only "daily" and "fortnightly" are so labeled.

And "poorly" can be an adjective only in certain dialects.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Peter T. Daniels]

I hope he told her how to go about accessing them, but since he has an
irrational prejudice against Google Groups, he has doubtless suggested
an impossibly complex and expensive procedure for doing so.

[John Varela]

What's the difference between "That's an ugly green" and "That's an
ugly green color". To me, in both cases "ugly" modifies "green".

--
John Varela

[bill van]

You're welcome to view it that way. I can see it another way.

bill

[Ross]

"Green" is a noun in the first; in the second, I'd say "ugly" modifies
"green color".

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 01:18:54 -0800 (PST), Ross <benl...@ihug.co.nz>
wrote:

We discussed this sort of thing some years ago.
I had a idea at the time which I didn't express.

Any "colour word" can be a noun or an adjective.

There are some uses of colour phrases which seem to me can be analysed
as noun phrases used adjectively.

So if "ugly green" is a colour, i.e. the phrase is a noun phrase in
which "ugly is an adjective modifying the noun "green", "ugly" remains
an adjective even when the noun phrase is used adjectively.


--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[CDB]

On 12/15/2018 7:26 PM, John Varela wrote:
> bill van <bill...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> John Varela said:

>>> Horace LaBadie <hlab...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> miss.ma...@gmail.com wrote:

>>>>> Some adjectives end in -ly:ugly, friendly etc.if we want to
>>>>> use them as adverbs, we say: in a ugly way/ manner.

>>>> Those are still adjectival usages.

>>>> Uglily is the adverb derived from ugly, and is, predictably,
>>>> ugly.

>>> In "ugly green color", aren't the words adverb, adjective, noun?

>> To my mind, ugly and green are both adjectives independently
>> modifying "color" and interacting with each other a little bit.

>> If you want ugly to modify green, you can make it clear by putting
>> a hyphen between them.

> What's the difference between "That's an ugly green" and "That's an
> ugly green color". To me, in both cases "ugly" modifies "green".

For that interpretation, I would want to call "green" an attributive
noun; but that might be from my persistent impression that "ugly" is an
adjective. Yer bilious green is an ugly green.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Or, in English there isn't a particularly good reason to insist that any
word or any use of a word has to be one or the other.

> There are some uses of colour phrases which seem to me can be analysed
> as noun phrases used adjectively.

Or skip the label and refer only to the function.

[mrdo...@gmail.com]

wtf man. ain't nobody done never said, "ugily". I ain't using that horrifyingly ugly word.

[occam]

"To turn ugly" is quite frequently used when describing situations that
get out of hand - police, riots, debates and so on.

[occam]

On 14/12/2018 19:12, miss.ma...@gmail.com wrote:
> Some adjectives end in -ly:ugly, friendly etc.if we want to use them as adverbs, we say: in a ugly way/ manner.
>

Can I propose "ugg", as in "to behave ugg"? (Judging by the boots
marketed under that brand, quite apt.)

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

It seems to me that "ugly" is an adjective, not an adverb, in that
example. It's not the turning that is ugly, but the result. Maddie's
example is nasty, but it does seem to be adverbial.



--
athel

[Ross]

Yes, but that's like "turn green" -- the complement is the resultant state,
hence not an adjective.

"Win ugly" sounds like "meet cute", which I gather is a movie-biz term
for what boy and girl often do in rom-coms. (Maybe that should be all past
tense -- do they still have rom-coms?)

[Madrigal Gurneyhalt]

Yes they still have rom-coms. More than enough for all the
mags to do a top 10 each year. For 2018 Entertainment Weekly
went for (in reverse order) ...

Sierra Burgess Is A Loser
Alex Strangelove
Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society
Book Club
Love, Simon
Crazy Rich Asians
Mamma Mia, Here We Go Again!
Set It Up
Juliet Naked
To All The Boys I Loved Before

... which covers everything from teen to wrinkly, gay and straight.
All, no doubt, have a meet cute, it being an essential of the genre.
If you have access (licit or illicit) to BBC IPlayer, I thoroughly
recommend Mark Kermode's Secrets of Cinema and its Rom-Com
episode which is available for an extended period.

[Horace LaBadie]

In article <bfb7f80a-f463-495f...@googlegroups.com>,

Around Christmas and Valentine's Day, some television channels seem to
show nothing but rom-coms, many featuring sad princes who unexpectedly
find romance with a commoner.

[Jerry Friedman]

On 2/12/19 3:24 AM, Ross wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 9:36:43 PM UTC+13, occam wrote:
>> On 15/12/2018 01:11, Madrigal Gurneyhalt wrote:
>>> On Friday, 14 December 2018 18:20:16 UTC, Horace LaBadie wrote:
>>>> In article <8ab0da1e-e67b-4d53...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> miss.ma...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Some adjectives end in -ly:ugly, friendly etc.if we want to use them as
>>>>> adverbs, we say: in a ugly way/ manner.
>>>>
>>>> Those are still adjectival usages.
>>>>
>>>> Uglily is the adverb derived from ugly, and is, predictably, ugly.
>>>
>>> Technically, yes, but I can't imagine anyone actually uses it whilst
>>> there has been a common adverbial use of the adjective for some
>>> time now in sports; "to win ugly".
>>>
>>
>> "To turn ugly" is quite frequently used when describing situations that
>> get out of hand - police, riots, debates and so on.
>
> Yes, but that's like "turn green" -- the complement is the resultant state,
> hence not an adjective.

...

I think you mean "hence an adjective" (or "hence not an adverb"?).

--
Jerry Friedman
Four punctuation marks in a row!

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

That's what I thought he meant also, but I wouldn't dare to argue with Ross.


--
athel

[Janet]

In article <gcfhdv...@mid.individual.net>, acor...@imm.cnrs.fr
says...

Isn't "fugly" adverbial?

Janet.

[Colonel Edmund J. Burke]

On 12/15/2018 5:34 AM, Jerry Friedman wrote:

> I agree.  Also, all the time words such as "nightly" and "monthly" can also be adverbs, though only "daily" and "fortnightly" are so labeled.
>
> And "poorly" can be an adjective only in certain dialects.
>

Mofugly is what I always called yer mammy.
LOL

[jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)]

Don't be so niggardly, Lumumba!

[Colonel Edmund J. Burke]

Shaddup, you Jewish Princess!

[Doug Laidlaw]

That is what somebody said when the Urban Dictionary came to Google's
Android:

"Now I can look up an insulting name to call anybody." or words to that
effect. It is still there, but unusable.

[Ross]

Yes, one of those. Well spotted.

[Sick old nazoid pedo Andrew Andrzej Baron]

In article <sq166elo1ljmk9mbc...@4ax.com>,
A shiteating cowardly nazoid sub-louse PEDO named Andrew "Andrzej"

Baron (aka "Ron Jacobson") wrote:

> Don't be so niggardly, Lumumba!

Don't eat shite, rape kiddies, and pimp your parents, Andrzej!

[Quinn C]

* Madrigal Gurneyhalt:

I only watched Crazy Rich Asians, but I don't think it had one.

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