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[occam]

Here is a bit of English wordplay, recycled from
<fr.lettres.lange.anglais>, the French sibling of AUE. (The text itself
originates from a Facebook post.)

---- start
English is the only language where you drive in parkways and park in
driveways.

It's also the only language where you recite in a play and play in a
recital.

Your fingers have fingertips but your toes don't have toetips. (Comment:
Yet, we do tiptoe forward.)

The word "queue" is just the letter Q followed by 4 silent letters.
(Comment: I dread coming across this in Wordle.)

"Jail" and "prison" are synonyms, but "jailer" and "prisoner" are antonyms.

When you transport something by car, it's a shipment. When you ship
something by ship, it's cargo.

--- end

Feel free to add to the list.

[Paul Carmichael]

El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:

> Here is a bit of English wordplay, recycled from
> <fr.lettres.lange.anglais>, the French sibling of AUE. (The text itself
> originates from a Facebook post.)
>
> ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways and
> park in driveways.

What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

[HVS]

On 08 Jun 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote

> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:

>
>> Here is a bit of English wordplay, recycled from
>> <fr.lettres.lange.anglais>, the French sibling of AUE. (The text
>> itself originates from a Facebook post.)
>>
>> ---- start English is the only language where you drive in
>> parkways and park in driveways.
>
> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.

It is "mine" (in the sense of online access to the OED):


parkway, n.

[snip pronunciation, frequency graphic,origin, and eymology]

1. Originally U.S. A broad arterial road planted with trees; an open
landscaped highway or boulevard. Occasionally also: the planted area
of such a highway.

1875 Amer. Cycl. XIII. 98/2 The most important improvement made
of late in the general plan of cities has been the introduction or
increase in number and breadth of parkways.

1898 19th Cent. Apr. 585 These park-ways are broad boulevards
with margins of grass, wood, and river.

1938 Archit. Rev. 84 238/3 The city of Stockholm, which has had
the foresight to buy up large tracts of land in its neighbourhood,
has been able to plan a system of ‘Parkways’.

1939 Florida: Guide to Southernmost State (Federal Writers'
Project) i. 75 Two-channel highways divided by a parkway to reduce
the menaces of bright lights and head-on collisions.

1977 Evening Gaz. (Middlesbrough) 11 Jan. 1/4 The route of their
return to the Royal Yacht will be made by the Mandale Interchange and
the new Parkway.

1998 B. Bryson Walk in Woods xii. 176 It is no accident that the
first highways in America were called parkways. That's what they were
envisioned to be—parks you could drive through.



2. British. A railway station situated on the outskirts of a city,
with extensive parking facilities for the use of commuters. Usually
in the names of such stations, or in parkway station.

1972 Times 10 Mar. 3/6 There will be 70 trains a day between
Paddington, Bristol Temple Meads, and Bristol Parkway, a new car-
served inter-city station on the northern outskirts of the city.

1976 P. R. White Planning for Public Transport viii. 155 The
‘parkway’ stations opened by British Rail in recent years, notably
that at Bristol, offer undoubted evidence of cars being abandoned by
their users in favour of a rail journey.

1989 Oxf. Times 7 July 19/6 What we need is a Parkway station
with full-length platforms to accommodate InterCity trains and a
large car park.

2000 Daily Tel. 11 Aug. 4/7 This extension would include a
motorway ‘parkway’ station near Junction 8 on the M40 to allow
London-bound drivers to park and switch to the train.


--
Cheers, Harvey

[charles]

In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,

an out of town railway station with a large carpark

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

[Paul Carmichael]

El Wed, 08 Jun 2022 16:16:33 +0100, charles escribió:

> In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,
> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:

>> > ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways
>> > and park in driveways.
>
>> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
>
> an out of town railway station with a large carpark

So somewhere you park?

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

[Ken Blake]

On 8 Jun 2022 15:33:52 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>El Wed, 08 Jun 2022 16:16:33 +0100, charles escribió:
>
>> In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,
>> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:
>
>>> > ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways
>>> > and park in driveways.
>>
>>> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
>>
>> an out of town railway station with a large carpark
>
>So somewhere you park?

No. A parkway is a kind of highway, often (always?) decorated with
more plants than the average highway, and often (always?) one on which
trucks are not allowed.

I think the term "parkway" is only used in some US states, but not
all. I know New York has parkways, but as far as I know, Arizona,
where I now live, does not. I don't know about any other states.

And by the way, I would never say "drive in parkways." I would say
"drive on parkways."

[TonyCooper]

On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 08:47:07 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

Most Parkways in the US are divided in the middle with a strip of land
that is decoratively planted. That is not to say all streets or
avenues so divided are called Parkways.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment

[charles]

In article <pan$8d6dd$340971ca$14dd7f57$3ff3...@gmail.com>,

Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
> El Wed, 08 Jun 2022 16:16:33 +0100, charles escribió:

> > In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,
> > Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:

> >> > ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways
> >> > and park in driveways.
> >
> >> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
> >
> > an out of town railway station with a large carpark

> So somewhere you park?

Yes, if you want to catch a train.

[Garrett Wollman]

In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,
Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:

It's a highway from which commercial vehicles are excluded, in the
formal civil engineer's definition, which doesn't help so much because
lots of things are called "Parkway" that allow such vehicles. But in
context, a "parkway" is a freeway like the ones Robert Moses built in
the suburbs of New York City with low bridges to exclude buses so poor
Black people couldn't use the beach. Sometimes also it's just a road
to, or through, a park, although in some older usage, the concept was
that the road itself *was* the park, and it would be landscaped
attractively for a leisurely drive. As most of these were built in or
near cities, there is little leisurely or indeed pleasant about them.

Olmsted's "Emerald Necklace" in Boston is an example of the
traditional usage: the "parkways" are traffic-clogged urban arterial
roads like the Fenway, the Riverway, the Jamaicaway, and the Arborway,
which make the associated parks unpleasant by bringing traffic noise
and pollution to them, despite trucks being forbidden. They are
"parklike" in being very narrow and curvy, so they have a high crash
rate. But when they were built, the internal-combustion engine was a
novelty and the original users were as likely to be horse-drawn.

-GAWollman

--
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wol...@bimajority.org| act to remove constraint from the future. This is
Opinions not shared by| a thing you can do, are able to do, to do together."
my employers. | - Graydon Saunders, _A Succession of Bad Days_ (2015)

[lar3ryca]

Toronto has a parkway called The Don Valley Parkway.

> And by the way, I would never say "drive in parkways." I would say
> "drive on parkways."

And it can work for 'park on driveways' as well, though not heard as
often in MyE.

--
Why are there 5 syllables in the word "monosyllabic"?

[TonyCooper]

Dunno about the entire US, but in this area a developer chooses the
names of the streets in the area he/she develops. The names must be
submitted to the local authority for approval, though.

The name would not be approved if it was considered to be obscene or
otdherwise unacceptable, but the most common reason for rejection is
duplication of names in the area. The authority will not approve of a
name if the police and fire departments might not be able to easily
know which street was the proper street if an emergency call was
placed.

The reason I mention this is that are industrial and commercial
developments with "Parkway" in the street names, and they are not in
anyway like a "Parkway" by the standard definitions.

[Paul Carmichael]

El Wed, 08 Jun 2022 11:54:17 -0400, TonyCooper escribió:

> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 08:47:07 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 8 Jun 2022 15:33:52 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>El Wed, 08 Jun 2022 16:16:33 +0100, charles escribió:
>>>
>>>> In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,
>>>> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:
>>>
>>>>> > ---- start English is the only language where you drive in
>>>>> > parkways and park in driveways.
>>>>
>>>>> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
>>>>
>>>> an out of town railway station with a large carpark
>>>
>>>So somewhere you park?
>>
>>
>>No. A parkway is a kind of highway, often (always?) decorated with more
>>plants than the average highway, and often (always?) one on which trucks
>>are not allowed.
>>
>>I think the term "parkway" is only used in some US states, but not all.
>>I know New York has parkways, but as far as I know, Arizona, where I now
>>live, does not. I don't know about any other states.
>>
>>And by the way, I would never say "drive in parkways." I would say
>>"drive on parkways."
>
> Most Parkways in the US are divided in the middle with a strip of land
> that is decoratively planted.

I think that in BrE that's a "dual carriageway".

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

I don't think any of the western states have parkways (California
certainly didn't in my time).

>
> And by the way, I would never say "drive in parkways." I would say
> "drive on parkways."

Although there is a difference between American and British English in
relation to streets (you live on a street; I live in a street) that
doesn't extend to highways -- "on" for both.


--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

[Quinn C]

* charles:

> In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,
> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:
>
>>> Here is a bit of English wordplay, recycled from
>>> <fr.lettres.lange.anglais>, the French sibling of AUE. (The text itself
>>> originates from a Facebook post.)
>>>
>>> ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways and
>>> park in driveways.
>
>> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
>
> an out of town railway station with a large carpark

In Germany that system is called "Park & Ride" - literally, not "the
German translation of". And I don't think that's a German only English
expression.

Actually, the reason may be that there's no one-word German equivalent
for "ride" - "reiten" is really only for horses and such - and "Parken &
den Zug nehmen" is not nearly as snappy.

--
There is no freedom for men unless there is freedom for women.
If women mustn't bring their will to the fore, why should men
be allowed to?
-- Hedwig Dohm (1876), my translation

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2022-06-08 16:01:30 +0000, Garrett Wollman said:

> In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,
> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:
>>
>>> Here is a bit of English wordplay, recycled from
>>> <fr.lettres.lange.anglais>, the French sibling of AUE. (The text itself
>>> originates from a Facebook post.)
>>>
>>> ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways and
>>> park in driveways.
>>
>> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
>
> It's a highway from which commercial vehicles are excluded, in the
> formal civil engineer's definition, which doesn't help so much because
> lots of things are called "Parkway" that allow such vehicles. But in
> context, a "parkway" is a freeway like the ones Robert Moses built in
> the suburbs of New York City with low bridges to exclude buses so poor
> Black people couldn't use the beach.

Charming! Not the same thing or the same reason, but when they built
the M5 from the Ross-on-Wye exit to Birmingham they put only two lanes
in each directions, though it was obvious to anyone with two or more
neurones that that wasn't enough. Worse than that, they put the bridges
in such a way that it was impossible to widen the highway without
demolishing and rebuilding the bridges. This was in the dying days of
the 13 years of Tory misrule (© Harold Wilson), and a colleague of mine
said that having done nothing much for 13 years they wanted to have
some nice blue lines on the road maps.

> Sometimes also it's just a road
> to, or through, a park, although in some older usage, the concept was
> that the road itself *was* the park, and it would be landscaped
> attractively for a leisurely drive. As most of these were built in or
> near cities, there is little leisurely or indeed pleasant about them.
>
> Olmsted's "Emerald Necklace" in Boston is an example of the
> traditional usage: the "parkways" are traffic-clogged urban arterial
> roads like the Fenway, the Riverway, the Jamaicaway, and the Arborway,
> which make the associated parks unpleasant by bringing traffic noise
> and pollution to them, despite trucks being forbidden. They are
> "parklike" in being very narrow and curvy, so they have a high crash
> rate. But when they were built, the internal-combustion engine was a
> novelty and the original users were as likely to be horse-drawn.
>
> -GAWollman


--

[TonyCooper]

On 8 Jun 2022 16:33:25 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com>

A "Parkway" in the US will usually have that word in the name: "Beach
Parkway".

[bil...@shaw.ca]

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 9:50:49 AM UTC-7, Quinn C wrote:
> * charles:
> > In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,
> > Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:
> >
> >>> Here is a bit of English wordplay, recycled from
> >>> <fr.lettres.lange.anglais>, the French sibling of AUE. (The text itself
> >>> originates from a Facebook post.)
> >>>
> >>> ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways and
> >>> park in driveways.
> >
> >> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
> >
> > an out of town railway station with a large carpark
> In Germany that system is called "Park & Ride" - literally, not "the
> German translation of". And I don't think that's a German only English
> expression.
>

"Park & Ride" has been in use in Vancouver since the first leg of our rapid
transit system was completed in 1985. There are also a number of suburban
bus lines that terminate at "SkyTrain" stations. The combination of the two
has greatly reduced the number of suburban commuters driving their cars
into downtown Vancouver, which keeps the downtown pleasant, green
and mostly walkable.

bill

[Madhu]

* Athel Cornish-Bowden <jgc201F7s6fU1 @mid.individual.net> :
Wrote on Wed, 8 Jun 2022 18:44:48 +0200:

> On 2022-06-08 15:47:07 +0000, Ken Blake said:
>> No. A parkway is a kind of highway, often (always?) decorated with
>> more plants than the average highway, and often (always?) one on which
>> trucks are not allowed.
>> I think the term "parkway" is only used in some US states, but not
>> all. I know New York has parkways, but as far as I know, Arizona,
>> where I now live, does not. I don't know about any other states.
>
> I don't think any of the western states have parkways (California
> certainly didn't in my time).

In silicon valley there was a Great America Parkway in Santa Clara
during my time, I remember driving on it but I don't remember if there
were trees on the divider. Or maybe it was called that just because it
was near the Great America amusement Park

[Garrett Wollman]

In article <jgc201...@mid.individual.net>,

Athel Cornish-Bowden <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:

>I don't think any of the western states have parkways (California
>certainly didn't in my time).

The historic Arroyo Seco Parkway in Pasadena is famously one of the
very first freeways in California. Of course they just call it "the
110" these days, but there are some signs.

[Mark Brader]

Ken Blake:

> > No. A parkway is a kind of highway, often (always?) decorated with

> > more plants than the average highway...

"Larry":

> Toronto has a parkway called The Don Valley Parkway.

Or among those accustomed to using it at busy times, the Don Valley
Parking Lot.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "UNIX ... the essential partner for
m...@vex.net | eyespot or rynchosporium control in barley."

[TonyCooper]

On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 12:50:42 -0400, Quinn C
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:

>* charles:
>
>> In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,
>> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:
>>
>>>> Here is a bit of English wordplay, recycled from
>>>> <fr.lettres.lange.anglais>, the French sibling of AUE. (The text itself
>>>> originates from a Facebook post.)
>>>>
>>>> ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways and
>>>> park in driveways.
>>
>>> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
>>
>> an out of town railway station with a large carpark
>
>In Germany that system is called "Park & Ride" - literally, not "the
>German translation of". And I don't think that's a German only English
>expression.
>

Quite common here. Seen in outlying areas where one or more people
park their car and carpool (share) a ride into the city or some other
destination.

Does the word "carpool" travel?

[lar3ryca]

On 2022-06-08 12:43, Mark Brader wrote:
> Ken Blake:
>>> No. A parkway is a kind of highway, often (always?) decorated with
>>> more plants than the average highway...
>
> "Larry":
>> Toronto has a parkway called The Don Valley Parkway.
>
> Or among those accustomed to using it at busy times, the Don Valley
> Parking Lot.

Heh! Been there, Done that, many times.

--
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

[lar3ryca]

I remember one 'Park & Ride' in Vancouver that caused me some grief. If
I remember correctly, I was attending a football game at Empire Stadium,
and when I came back to the P & R, I joined the crowd of unhappy fans
who could not get out of the lot because of the padlocked chain. They
had apparently closed the lot at a specific time.

--
rw-rw-rw- Permissions of the beast.

[Sam Plusnet]

I've traveled to, from or via Bristol Parkway a time or several, but I
have never parked a car there.
So it's just part of the station's name, as far as I'm concerned.

[Peter T. Daniels]

An important part of the development of Chicago, by William
LeBaron Jenney, Frederick Law Olmstead (who designed the
ground of the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition, and others
was a system of spacious parks throughout the city, and all
those parks are connected by parkways. To this day, these broad
boulevards are designated "parkway" and are not open to commercial
traffic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_park_and_boulevard_system

This (near) contemporary map gives a poor impression of the system.

https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/city/depts/zlup/Historic_Preservation/Publications/ParkBlvdsHD_NR_map_14July2011.pdf

[Peter T. Daniels]

That seems to refer to any limited-access divided highway. A parkway is a
specific, park-like, type.

[Ken Blake]

Yes, and yes.

[Ken Blake]

Yes, that's true of all the NY parkways I know.

[Peter Moylan]

On 09/06/22 01:54, TonyCooper wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 08:47:07 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
> wrote:
>>>> In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,
>>>> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.

>> No. A parkway is a kind of highway, often (always?) decorated with
>> more plants than the average highway, and often (always?) one on
>> which trucks are not allowed.

Clearly I should have checked a dictionary the first time I heard this
word. I always thought that a parkway was a main road that ran through a
park. I didn't know about the truck exclusion, either.

> Most Parkways in the US are divided in the middle with a strip of
> land that is decoratively planted. That is not to say all streets
> or avenues so divided are called Parkways.

It's a common (but not universal) practice here to plant trees in the
centre divider of a major highway. (Or, in some cases, to leave the
trees that were already there.) In some cases the centre divider is so
wide that you can't see the other side when you're driving. That's a
major benefit to people like me who hate being blinded by the
excessively bright headlights of some late-model cars.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

[Peter Moylan]

On 09/06/22 04:43, Mark Brader wrote:
> Ken Blake:
>>> No. A parkway is a kind of highway, often (always?) decorated
>>> with more plants than the average highway...
>
> "Larry":
>> Toronto has a parkway called The Don Valley Parkway.
>
> Or among those accustomed to using it at busy times, the Don Valley
> Parking Lot.

I was driving in Melbourne last week. That city's freeways and tollways
are impressive if you don't drive on them at peak times. (And if you
have the skill to get into the correct lane at an interchange.) At
certain times of day, though, you can see ten lanes of traffic all
averaging about 10 km/h.

A couple of years ago I had a scare there. The traffic slowed down, and
the fellow in the lane next to me noticed too late that he was about to
run into the back of a truck. In the resulting skid he went across
several lanes, bounced off the centre divider, and want back across all
the lanes before he hit the edge. Luckily everyone else stopped, leaving
a clear path across the road. He passed about one metre in front of my car.

[Peter Moylan]

Yes. At least, it travels as far as my location.

Some city highways have express lanes that are reserved for taxis and
for cars with at least some stated minimum of passengers.

[Peter Moylan]

On 09/06/22 02:53, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>
> Charming! Not the same thing or the same reason, but when they built
> the M5 from the Ross-on-Wye exit to Birmingham they put only two
> lanes in each directions, though it was obvious to anyone with two
> or more neurones that that wasn't enough. Worse than that, they put
> the bridges in such a way that it was impossible to widen the
> highway without demolishing and rebuilding the bridges. This was in
> the dying days of the 13 years of Tory misrule (© Harold Wilson), and
> a colleague of mine said that having done nothing much for 13 years
> they wanted to have some nice blue lines on the road maps.

To travel from Newcastle to Newcastle airport, or to a few other towns
in that direction, you have to cross the Hunter River twice, going via a
n island. The bridge at the northern crossing is good enough, but for a
long time the bridge at the southern end had only one lane in each
direction, causing massive congestion. (Usually at a time when I was
rushing to catch a plane.)

Eventually the state government agreed to build a better bridge. The
original plans looked good enough, but not long before the construction
some idiot decided that a lot of money could be saved by having only one
lane in each direction. So, after a lot of money had been spent, the new
bridge was no better than the old one.

After only a couple of years, the new bridge had to be demolished, to be
replaced by a newer new bridge.

[TonyCooper]

A wide divider is common on highways between cities, but not in
streets within a city. That, from the developer's perspective, wastes
valuable land. Many such divided roadways in a city are the result of
increased population and traffic in that area, and a former two-lane
street widened to four or more lanes. To do that, the city has to
acquire land from residents abutting the roadway. They buy enough to
widen the road and add a narrow divider. If they are doing that in a
more rural area, they can do the wide divider.

[Lewis]

In message <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:

>> Here is a bit of English wordplay, recycled from
>> <fr.lettres.lange.anglais>, the French sibling of AUE. (The text itself
>> originates from a Facebook post.)
>>

>> ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways and
>> park in driveways.

> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.

Look harder? Get a OEd updated in the last ... hundred hears?

Brit. Hear pronunciation/ˈpɑːkweɪ/, U.S. Hear pronunciation/ˈpɑrkˌweɪ/
Frequency (in current use): Show frequency band information
Origin: Formed within English, by compounding. Etymons: park n., way n.1
Etymology: < park n. + way n.1 The exact meaning of the second element in sense 2 ... (Show More)

1. Originally U.S. A broad arterial road planted with trees; an open
landscaped highway or boulevard. Occasionally also: the planted area
of such a highway. (Hide quotations)

2. British. A railway station situated on the outskirts of a city,
with extensive parking facilities for the use of commuters. Usually
in the names of such stations, or in parkway station.

--
The reaper does not listen to the harvest. --Reaper Man

[Lewis]

In message <23i1ah1be1dh7lc3k...@4ax.com> TonyCooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The authority will not approve of a name if the police and fire
> departments might not be able to easily know which street was the
> proper street if an emergency call was placed.

Oh, if only that were true!


--
BEWITCHED DOES NOT PROMOTE SATANISM Bart chalkboard Ep. 2F17

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2022-06-09 05:25:15 +0000, Lewis said:

> In message <23i1ah1be1dh7lc3k...@4ax.com> TonyCooper
> <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The authority will not approve of a name if the police and fire
>> departments might not be able to easily know which street was the
>> proper street if an emergency call was placed.
>
> Oh, if only that were true!

Six years ago all four wheels of our car were stolen. The tow lorry
arrived about two hours later than the time promised. Why? Because the
driver had gone to a street with a marginally similar name in a quite
different part of the city.

[Paul Carmichael]

El Thu, 09 Jun 2022 05:22:15 +0000, Lewis escribió:

> In message <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com> Paul
> Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:
>
>>> Here is a bit of English wordplay, recycled from
>>> <fr.lettres.lange.anglais>, the French sibling of AUE. (The text
>>> itself originates from a Facebook post.)
>>>
>>> ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways
>>> and park in driveways.
>
>> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
>
> Look harder? Get a OEd updated in the last ... hundred hears?

6th edition - 2007. But it's the "shorter" edition, so only 2 huge
volumes.

> 2. British. A railway station situated on the outskirts of a city,
> with extensive parking facilities for the use of commuters.

I haven't been there in quite a while, so perhaps it's a new thing.


--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

[occam]

On 09/06/2022 03:55, Peter Moylan wrote:

>
> It's a common (but not universal) practice here to plant trees in the
> centre divider of a major highway. (Or, in some cases, to leave the
> trees that were already there.) In some cases the centre divider is so
> wide that you can't see the other side when you're driving. That's a
> major benefit to people like me who hate being blinded by the
> excessively bright headlights of some late-model cars.
>

Another benefit is the 'cross-over' problem, in case of a serious
accident. The likelihood of cars flipping from one side to the other -
onto oncoming traffic - is much reduced.

[Richard Heathfield]

Bristol Parkway opened in 1972, a mere half-century ago.

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

[occam]

On 08/06/2022 20:43, Mark Brader wrote:
> Ken Blake:
>>> No. A parkway is a kind of highway, often (always?) decorated with
>>> more plants than the average highway...
>
> "Larry":
>> Toronto has a parkway called The Don Valley Parkway.
>
> Or among those accustomed to using it at busy times, the Don Valley
> Parking Lot.

That, across the Atlantic, would translate to the M25. (The M25 is a
motorway which goes around London and is meant to alleviate central
London traffic.)

[occam]

On 08/06/2022 16:02, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:
>
>> Here is a bit of English wordplay, recycled from
>> <fr.lettres.lange.anglais>, the French sibling of AUE. (The text itself
>> originates from a Facebook post.)
>>
>> ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways and
>> park in driveways.
>
> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
>

If you played Monopoly - the London version - you would know. It is a
very expensive stretch of road, with high property values.

[Adam Funk]

"Dual carriageway" = "divided highway", but not necessarily limited
access.


--
Oh what a time we had
Living on the ground
I've moved to Station Number 5
See you next time around

[Adam Funk]

On 2022-06-08, TonyCooper wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 16:01:30 -0000 (UTC), wol...@bimajority.org
> (Garrett Wollman) wrote:
>
>>In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,

>>Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:

>>>
>>>> Here is a bit of English wordplay, recycled from
>>>> <fr.lettres.lange.anglais>, the French sibling of AUE. (The text itself
>>>> originates from a Facebook post.)
>>>>
>>>> ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways and
>>>> park in driveways.
>>>
>>>What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
>>

>>It's a highway from which commercial vehicles are excluded, in the
>>formal civil engineer's definition, which doesn't help so much because
>>lots of things are called "Parkway" that allow such vehicles. But in
>>context, a "parkway" is a freeway like the ones Robert Moses built in
>>the suburbs of New York City with low bridges to exclude buses so poor
>>Black people couldn't use the beach. Sometimes also it's just a road
>>to, or through, a park, although in some older usage, the concept was
>>that the road itself *was* the park, and it would be landscaped
>>attractively for a leisurely drive. As most of these were built in or
>>near cities, there is little leisurely or indeed pleasant about them.
>>
>>Olmsted's "Emerald Necklace" in Boston is an example of the
>>traditional usage: the "parkways" are traffic-clogged urban arterial
>>roads like the Fenway, the Riverway, the Jamaicaway, and the Arborway,
>>which make the associated parks unpleasant by bringing traffic noise
>>and pollution to them, despite trucks being forbidden. They are
>>"parklike" in being very narrow and curvy, so they have a high crash
>>rate. But when they were built, the internal-combustion engine was a
>>novelty and the original users were as likely to be horse-drawn.
>>
>>-GAWollman
>
> Dunno about the entire US, but in this area a developer chooses the
> names of the streets in the area he/she develops. The names must be
> submitted to the local authority for approval, though.
>
> The name would not be approved if it was considered to be obscene or
> otdherwise unacceptable, but the most common reason for rejection is
> duplication of names in the area. The authority will not approve of a

> name if the police and fire departments might not be able to easily
> know which street was the proper street if an emergency call was
> placed.

They certainly don't bother with that in England. It's fairly common
to find combinations like Whatsit Street, Whatsit Road, Whatsit Close,
& Whatsit Crescent in close proximity.



> The reason I mention this is that are industrial and commercial
> developments with "Parkway" in the street names, and they are not in
> anyway like a "Parkway" by the standard definitions.



--
Papa Hegel he say that all we learn from history is that we learn
nothing from history. I know people who can't even learn from what
happened this morning. Hegel must have been taking the long view.
---Chad C. Mulligan

[Adam Funk]

On 2022-06-08, Quinn C wrote:

> * charles:
>

>> In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,
>> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:
>>
>>>> Here is a bit of English wordplay, recycled from
>>>> <fr.lettres.lange.anglais>, the French sibling of AUE. (The text itself
>>>> originates from a Facebook post.)
>>>>
>>>> ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways and
>>>> park in driveways.
>>
>>> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
>>

>> an out of town railway station with a large carpark
>

> In Germany that system is called "Park & Ride" - literally, not "the
> German translation of". And I don't think that's a German only English
> expression.
>

> Actually, the reason may be that there's no one-word German equivalent
> for "ride" - "reiten" is really only for horses and such - and "Parken &
> den Zug nehmen" is not nearly as snappy.

I was going to suggest "Park und Fahrt", but "Fahrt" can mean a trip
where you're the driver or the passenger, can't it?


--
Civilization is a race between catastrophe and education.
---H G Wells

[charles]

In article <pan$8274b$ec7aad03$cdbfe5e$e306...@gmail.com>,

Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
> El Thu, 09 Jun 2022 05:22:15 +0000, Lewis escribió:

> > In message <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com> Paul
> > Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:
> >
> >>> Here is a bit of English wordplay, recycled from
> >>> <fr.lettres.lange.anglais>, the French sibling of AUE. (The text
> >>> itself originates from a Facebook post.)
> >>>
> >>> ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways
> >>> and park in driveways.
> >
> >> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
> >
> > Look harder? Get a OEd updated in the last ... hundred hears?


> 6th edition - 2007. But it's the "shorter" edition, so only 2 huge
> volumes.


> > 2. British. A railway station situated on the outskirts of a city,
> > with extensive parking facilities for the use of commuters.

> I haven't been there in quite a while, so perhaps it's a new thing.

Bristol Parkway was opened in 1972.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

[charles]

In article <adp2ah1j3248c32ke...@4ax.com>,

On the other hand, Park Lane, in London, has a serious divide between the
two carriageways.

[charles]

In article <jgdmoe...@mid.individual.net>,

No - That's Park LANE

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

For even less excitement, try Patchway.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

[Richard Heathfield]

But necessarily at least two carriageways on whichever side of
the divide is supposed to be dual, or on both sides if both sides
are.

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 18:53:56 +0200
Athel Cornish-Bowden <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:

[]
> Charming! Not the same thing or the same reason, but when they built
> the M5 from the Ross-on-Wye exit to Birmingham they put only two lanes
> in each directions, though it was obvious to anyone with two or more

[..]

I'd call that the M50 junction (or maybe Tewkesbury, as that's a pleasant place to stop off, though there's 2 jns). Initially I thought you'd written that the M5 went via Ross! (maybe it sort of did for a while, with the Bristol M4 interchange to Tewkesbury section late to arrive)

Ah I see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M5_motorway#Construction

I know it took a fair while to do the Avonmouth bridge. Now to refresh myself on Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avonmouth_Bridge
(I was let down, not nerdy after all)
[]

[Paul Carmichael]

El Thu, 09 Jun 2022 08:41:02 +0100, Richard Heathfield escribió:

> Bristol Parkway opened in 1972, a mere half-century ago.

I was 11 and that doesn't seem *so* long ago.


--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

[Peter Moylan]

In recent years more and more divided highways, usually those with only
narrow median strips, have acquired steel rope fencing to stop cars from
skidding onto the wrong side. Motorcyclists call these bacon slicers.

[Peter Moylan]

On 09/06/22 16:59, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2022-06-09 05:25:15 +0000, Lewis said:
>
>> In message <23i1ah1be1dh7lc3k...@4ax.com> TonyCooper
>> <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The authority will not approve of a name if the police and fire
>>> departments might not be able to easily know which street was the
>>> proper street if an emergency call was placed.
>>
>> Oh, if only that were true!
>
> Six years ago all four wheels of our car were stolen. The tow lorry
> arrived about two hours later than the time promised. Why? Because
> the driver had gone to a street with a marginally similar name in a
> quite different part of the city.

Some years ago I had a serious problem where my car engine seized up. I
called the help line and described where I was. "That would be Park
Avenue", said the operator. No, I said, you can't get on to Park Avenue
from here, because of a right turn restriction. After some discussion I
thought I had got across where I really was.

A long time later a tow truck turned up. "I had trouble finding you",
said the driver. "They told me you were on Park Avenue."

That wasn't because of a name confusion. It was because the phone
operator was in Sydney and had probably never been in Newcastle. (She
might also have had an out-of-date map.) We have the same problem when
phoning the bus company to ask how to get from point A to point B.

[Peter Moylan]

On 09/06/22 19:40, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Thu, 09 Jun 2022 08:41:02 +0100, Richard Heathfield escribió:
>
>> Bristol Parkway opened in 1972, a mere half-century ago.
>
> I was 11 and that doesn't seem *so* long ago.

When I was 61 the years passed more slowly than they do today. Inflation.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

On 2022-06-09 09:18:41 +0000, Kerr-Mudd, John said:

> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 18:53:56 +0200
> Athel Cornish-Bowden <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
>
> []
>> Charming! Not the same thing or the same reason, but when they built
>> the M5 from the Ross-on-Wye exit to Birmingham they put only two lanes
>> in each directions, though it was obvious to anyone with two or more
> [..]
>
> I'd call that the M50 junction (or maybe Tewkesbury, as that's a
> pleasant place to stop off, though there's 2 jns)

No, take "Ross-on-Wye exit" as a unit. I only took the M50 once. Almost
no traffic, and one wondered what its purpose was.

> . Initially I thought you'd written that the M5 went via Ross! (maybe
> it sort of did for a while, with the Bristol M4 interchange to
> Tewkesbury section late to arrive)
>
> Ah I see:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M5_motorway#Construction
>
> I know it took a fair while to do the Avonmouth bridge.

That was a separate, and later, problem. For a while (my memory says at
least a year, but I haven't checked) the motorway went to one side of
the bridge, and then stopped, starting again on the other side. It took
about an hour to get from one side to the other.

> Now to refresh myself on Wikipedia.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avonmouth_Bridge
> (I was let down, not nerdy after all)
> []


--

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 12:38:10 +0200

Athel Cornish-Bowden <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:

> On 2022-06-09 09:18:41 +0000, Kerr-Mudd, John said:
>
> > On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 18:53:56 +0200
> > Athel Cornish-Bowden <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
> >
> > []
> >> Charming! Not the same thing or the same reason, but when they built
> >> the M5 from the Ross-on-Wye exit to Birmingham they put only two lanes
> >> in each directions, though it was obvious to anyone with two or more
> > [..]
> >
> > I'd call that the M50 junction (or maybe Tewkesbury, as that's a
> > pleasant place to stop off, though there's 2 jns)
>
> No, take "Ross-on-Wye exit" as a unit. I only took the M50 once. Almost
> no traffic, and one wondered what its purpose was.

It was a Cunning Plan to get goods from Swansea Docks to the manufactories of Birmingham. But the joined up thinking needed didn't happen, the Heads of the Valleys road is still being worked on, long after the docks have stopped importing. Ohter thories are available:

https://pathetic.org.uk/current/m50/

>
> > . Initially I thought you'd written that the M5 went via Ross! (maybe
> > it sort of did for a while, with the Bristol M4 interchange to
> > Tewkesbury section late to arrive)
> >
> > Ah I see:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M5_motorway#Construction
> >
> > I know it took a fair while to do the Avonmouth bridge.
>
> That was a separate, and later, problem. For a while (my memory says at
> least a year, but I haven't checked) the motorway went to one side of
> the bridge, and then stopped, starting again on the other side. It took
> about an hour to get from one side to the other.
>
>
> > Now to refresh myself on Wikipedia.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avonmouth_Bridge
> > (I was let down, not nerdy after all)
> > []
>
>
> --
> Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.
>

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 11:51:34 +0100
"Kerr-Mudd, John" <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 12:38:10 +0200
> Athel Cornish-Bowden <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
>
> > On 2022-06-09 09:18:41 +0000, Kerr-Mudd, John said:
> >
> > > On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 18:53:56 +0200
> > > Athel Cornish-Bowden <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
> > >
> > > []
> > >> Charming! Not the same thing or the same reason, but when they built
> > >> the M5 from the Ross-on-Wye exit to Birmingham they put only two lanes
> > >> in each directions, though it was obvious to anyone with two or more
> > > [..]
> > >
> > > I'd call that the M50 junction (or maybe Tewkesbury, as that's a
> > > pleasant place to stop off, though there's 2 jns)
> >
> > No, take "Ross-on-Wye exit" as a unit. I only took the M50 once. Almost
> > no traffic, and one wondered what its purpose was.
>
> It was a Cunning Plan to get goods from Swansea Docks to the manufactories of Birmingham. But the joined up thinking needed didn't happen, the Heads of the Valleys road is still being worked on, long after the docks have stopped importing. Ohter thories are available:

God, what a set of spelling arrows!

>
> https://pathetic.org.uk/current/m50/
>
[]

[Ruud Harmsen]

Thu, 9 Jun 2022 20:07:49 +1000: Peter Moylan
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> scribeva:

>A long time later a tow truck turned up. "I had trouble finding you",
>said the driver. "They told me you were on Park Avenue."
>
>That wasn't because of a name confusion. It was because the phone
>operator was in Sydney and had probably never been in Newcastle. (She
>might also have had an out-of-date map.) We have the same problem when
>phoning the bus company to ask how to get from point A to point B.

Phoning??

https://9292.nl/
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 9:55:18 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 09/06/22 01:54, TonyCooper wrote:

> > On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 08:47:07 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
> > wrote:

> >>>> In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,
> >>>> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.

> >> No. A parkway is a kind of highway, often (always?) decorated with
> >> more plants than the average highway, and often (always?) one on
> >> which trucks are not allowed.
>

> Clearly I should have checked a dictionary the first time I heard this
> word. I always thought that a parkway was a main road that ran through a
> park. I didn't know about the truck exclusion, either.

Let alone Robert Moses' poor-people exclusion. (Probably not just
poor blacks. He was furious whenever anyone suggested on the basis
of his name that he might be Jewish.)

> > Most Parkways in the US are divided in the middle with a strip of

> > land that is decoratively planted. That is not to say all streets
> > or avenues so divided are called Parkways.
>

> It's a common (but not universal) practice here to plant trees in the
> centre divider of a major highway. (Or, in some cases, to leave the
> trees that were already there.) In some cases the centre divider is so
> wide that you can't see the other side when you're driving. That's a
> major benefit to people like me who hate being blinded by the
> excessively bright headlights of some late-model cars.

But also, parkways preceded expressways by decades. They are more
likely to be scenic, to wind a bit, and probably not to have any advertising
billboards at all.

Eisenhower's Interstate Defense Highway System got passed because
he made it an important part of the Cold War: large matériel had to be
transported quickly and efficiently wherever it was needed. Bridge
clearances were made quite high, and apparently it's a myth that they
incorporated significant straight stretches in more rugged terrain so
they could serve as emergency landing strips for aircraft.

Early on -- in the 1910s or so -- as a junior officer he had been in a
convoy that crossed the country (it took weeks) with important
equipment and saw the pitiful state of the nation's roads, and that
lesson stayed with him,. Plus he witnessed the early Autobahns.

[occam]

That's a two-sided edge. Does this mean they consider themselves as pigs
to the slaughter?

[Peter T. Daniels]

Ugh. Like NJ-21 and NJ-22 beyond Newark. One or both even have
long stretches with businesses _in the middle_ between the two
directions of traffic. Probably dating back to when they were still
figuring out how to deal with highways in general. I don't know
how many cross streets actually cross the highway -- that would
require a large number of traffic lights and much disruption to
through traffic,

[occam]

On 09/06/2022 10:38, charles wrote:
> In article <jgdmoe...@mid.individual.net>,
> occam <nob...@nowhere.nix> wrote:
>> On 08/06/2022 16:02, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:
>>>
>>>> Here is a bit of English wordplay, recycled from
>>>> <fr.lettres.lange.anglais>, the French sibling of AUE. (The text itself
>>>> originates from a Facebook post.)
>>>>
>>>> ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways and
>>>> park in driveways.
>>>
>>> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
>>>
>
>> If you played Monopoly - the London version - you would know. It is a
>> very expensive stretch of road, with high property values.
>
> No - That's Park LANE
>

Yes, so it is. However, off-Monopoly board, there is a 'Parkway' in
Camden Town (NW1) which is not so far away from where I used to live.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 4:45:07 AM UTC-4, Adam Funk wrote:

> On 2022-06-08, TonyCooper wrote:

> > Dunno about the entire US, but in this area a developer chooses the
> > names of the streets in the area he/she develops. The names must be
> > submitted to the local authority for approval, though.
> > The name would not be approved if it was considered to be obscene or
> > otdherwise unacceptable, but the most common reason for rejection is
> > duplication of names in the area. The authority will not approve of a
> > name if the police and fire departments might not be able to easily
> > know which street was the proper street if an emergency call was
> > placed.

(I missed this the first time round.)

That sort of "vanity address" was outlawed in Chicago -- probably
in the early 1980s -- only after some people died in a tall office
tower that had a name something like "3 Standard Oil Plaza" (not
the actual name) -- because the fire department couldn't find the
building. All buildings thereafter had to have an address that
references the street grid.

> They certainly don't bother with that in England. It's fairly common
> to find combinations like Whatsit Street, Whatsit Road, Whatsit Close,
> & Whatsit Crescent in close proximity.

Oh, we've got plenty of those. Look at a street map of various
neighborhoods in Queens. You'll find Street, Road, Place all with
the same number right in a row. That came about because at
some point -- probably the 1920s, after the subways were built
-- the old street names of the various villages that were combined
into one borough were replaced in an attempt to impose unity with
numbered Streets vs., Avenues. But the subway stations still bear
the old street names as well as the numbers.

In Manhattan it's a bit more chaotic. There are West Broadway
and East Broadway, which have nothing to do with Broadway;
they're major north-south arteries many blocks to the west and
east of Broadway. My old sub-part of Washington Heights has
Wadsworth Terrace and Broadway Terrace, which are sort-of
near Wadsworth Avenue and Broadway, hugging hillsides.
(Washington Terrace is something else again.)

[HVS]

On 09 Jun 2022, charles wrote

Indeed. The original Park Lane (now the east side of the dualled
road) was a narrow lane running on the outside of the high brick wall
that surrounded Hyde Park. The wall was replaced with iron railings
in the 1820s, and the original lane was widened as and when
opportunities arose over the next 130-140 years.

The existing layout dates to 1960-63, when a slice of land that was
originally inside the park was used to create the western side of the
dual carriageway. The line of the original park boundary thus lies
within the wide median strip between the two carriageways.

--
Cheers, Harvey

[Quinn C]

* Kerr-Mudd, John:

If you find yourself driving on the fairway, you must have missed a
turn.

--
The wrong body ... now comes not to claim rightness but to
dismantle the system that metes out rightness and wrongness
according to the dictates of various social orders.
-- Jack Halberstam, Unbuilding Gender

[Quinn C]

* Adam Funk:

Yup.

--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)

[TonyCooper]

On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 09:38:14 +0100, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com>
wrote:

>On 2022-06-08, TonyCooper wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 16:01:30 -0000 (UTC), wol...@bimajority.org
>> (Garrett Wollman) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,
>>>Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:

That kind of similarity is allowed because Whatsit Street and Whatsit
Crescent are two different names.

What is not allowed is Whatsit Street being approved if there's
already a Whatsit Street in the area.

The "area" though, can be a problem. When there was a Whatsit Street
in the city, and a subdivision was built outside of that city, there
could be a Whatsit Street in that subdivision. Then, the town annexed
the area where the subdivision is, and both Whatsit Streets were now
in the town limits.

In the US, there are certain street names that seem to be in every
town. Streets named after Presidents (Washington Street), trees (Elm
Street) and flower (Rose Street), just to name a few.

Cities in this area tend to annex surrounding areas to increase their
tax base. That, too, leads to duplicate street names.

Unlike some major cities in the North, many Florida cities are
surrounded by undeveloped areas...until some developers develops them
and creates new subdivisions.

>
>> The reason I mention this is that are industrial and commercial
>> developments with "Parkway" in the street names, and they are not in
>> anyway like a "Parkway" by the standard definitions.
--

Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment

[Lewis]

In message <jgc201...@mid.individual.net> Athel Cornish-Bowden <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
> On 2022-06-08 15:47:07 +0000, Ken Blake said:

>> On 8 Jun 2022 15:33:52 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com>

>> wrote:
>>
>>> El Wed, 08 Jun 2022 16:16:33 +0100, charles escribió:
>>>

>>>> In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,
>>>> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:
>>>
>>>>>> ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways
>>>>>> and park in driveways.
>>>>
>>>>> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
>>>>

>>>> an out of town railway station with a large carpark
>>>

>>> So somewhere you park?

>>
>>
>> No. A parkway is a kind of highway, often (always?) decorated with
>> more plants than the average highway, and often (always?) one on which
>> trucks are not allowed.
>>

>> I think the term "parkway" is only used in some US states, but not
>> all. I know New York has parkways, but as far as I know, Arizona,
>> where I now live, does not. I don't know about any other states.

> I don't think any of the western states have parkways (California
> certainly didn't in my time).

Presidio Parkway in San Francisco
Arroyo Seco Parkway in Los Angeles
Antonio Parkway in ... Los Angeles ish

Those are three I've been driven on, off the top of my head.

California has a State Scenic Highway System defined as part of the
highway code, and part of that is a State Historic Parkways designation,
though most of them are designated parkway and not necessarily named
such.

There is unfortunately a town named Parkway, which makes searching more
annoying, though I was able to find this:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Scenic_Highway_System_(California)#California_Historic_Parkways>

It seems like California uses Parkway for a very specific type of road,
and not as the generic sort of ;'wide highway that looks nice" that is
at least implied by the word in most states.

We have several "Parkways" around here, but they are generally
multi-lane thoroughfares carrying tens of thousands of cars in
suburgatory to a shopping mall or something. They are not what I would
consider a parkway, they are a street that someone wanted to prettify
with an inappropriate name.

Sort of like calling your development "Park Meadows" (no parks, no
meadows) or naming streets in your neighborhood after all the types of
trees that aren't there and the wildlife that was forced out.


--
So here's us, on the raggedy edge. Don't push me. And I won't push
you.

[Lewis]

In message <pan$8274b$ec7aad03$cdbfe5e$e306...@gmail.com> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
> El Thu, 09 Jun 2022 05:22:15 +0000, Lewis escribió:

>> In message <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com> Paul

>> Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:
>>

>>>> Here is a bit of English wordplay, recycled from
>>>> <fr.lettres.lange.anglais>, the French sibling of AUE. (The text
>>>> itself originates from a Facebook post.)
>>>>

>>>> ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways
>>>> and park in driveways.
>>
>>> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
>>

>> Look harder? Get a OEd updated in the last ... hundred hears?


> 6th edition - 2007. But it's the "shorter" edition, so only 2 huge
> volumes.


>> 2. British. A railway station situated on the outskirts of a city,
>> with extensive parking facilities for the use of commuters.

> I haven't been there in quite a while, so perhaps it's a new thing.

FSVO of new, I guess. 50 years?


--
"I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with
sense, reason, and intellect had intended for us to forego their
use."

[Lewis]

In message <6sr1ah9l8u8gb7drp...@4ax.com> TonyCooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 12:50:42 -0400, Quinn C
> <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:

>>* charles:
>>
>>> In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,

>>> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:
>>>
>>>>> Here is a bit of English wordplay, recycled from
>>>>> <fr.lettres.lange.anglais>, the French sibling of AUE. (The text itself
>>>>> originates from a Facebook post.)
>>>>>
>>>>> ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways and
>>>>> park in driveways.
>>>
>>>> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
>>>

>>> an out of town railway station with a large carpark
>>

>>In Germany that system is called "Park & Ride" - literally, not "the
>>German translation of". And I don't think that's a German only English
>>expression.
>>

> Quite common here. Seen in outlying areas where one or more people
> park their car and carpool (share) a ride into the city or some other
> destination.

Park and Ride is what we have here in Denver. It is a network or
bus/train terminals with large parking areas, generally on the spurs of
the system. You drive in and park, then take a train or bus in to where
you are going. It works well if you're working in the downtown area, and
less well if you are anywhere else.

One common problem in the US is that unless a bus or train drops you off
basically exactly where you are going, it can be very difficult and
dangerous to walk from the drop-off point to your destination.

For example, a friend of mine when he switched jobs was quite happy that
his new office was only half a mile from a light rail station. After
investigating, in order to avoid dashing across a limited access
highway and climbing over the median barrier, he would have to walk
nearly two miles, and half of that without sidewalks while cars went by
at 45mph (70kph).

He drives to work.

This country is very hostile to pedestrians.

--
You're never too old to learn something stupid.

[Lewis]

In message <m4o8nix...@news.ducksburg.com> Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> On 2022-06-08, TonyCooper wrote:

>> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 16:01:30 -0000 (UTC), wol...@bimajority.org
>> (Garrett Wollman) wrote:
>>

>>>In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,
>>>Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:

>>>>
>>>>> Here is a bit of English wordplay, recycled from
>>>>> <fr.lettres.lange.anglais>, the French sibling of AUE. (The text itself
>>>>> originates from a Facebook post.)
>>>>>
>>>>> ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways and
>>>>> park in driveways.
>>>>
>>>>What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
>>>

Same here.

Nearby there is the intersting of Whatsit Ace and whatsit Court, and
there is a whatsit Cir not that far from here.

We live on South Whosit Court, and at least half of the time someone is
trying to come to our house they try to go to Whosit Street, which
sends them to the other side of town (70 blocks away) to an address that
does not exist.

Why?

Because the software or the driver or someone in an office seems to be
smart enough to figure out there is no "Whosit Street" near our address
number, so it looks for the street with a similar possible address
range, and strips out the "South" part of the name. The street exists up
there, but there not at the actual address they are looking for as it
dead-ends a couple of blacks away.


--
'I really should talk to him, sir. He's had a near-death experience!'
'We all do. It's called living.'

[Lewis]

In message <af24ahtbg2q5g7m2r...@4ax.com> TonyCooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In the US, there are certain street names that seem to be in every
> town. Streets named after Presidents (Washington Street), trees (Elm
> Street) and flower (Rose Street), just to name a few.

The most common street name in the US is, of course, Second (or 2nd).

--
"Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time."

[HVS]

On 09 Jun 2022, Lewis wrote

> In message <af24ahtbg2q5g7m2r...@4ax.com> TonyCooper
> <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In the US, there are certain street names that seem to be in
>> every town. Streets named after Presidents (Washington Street),
>> trees (Elm Street) and flower (Rose Street), just to name a few.
>
> The most common street name in the US is, of course, Second (or
> 2nd).

I recall a town-planning cartoon from many years ago, where the project
leader explained that to make things simpler, he'd listed the streets
in alphabetical order:

Fifth Street
First Street
Fourth Street
Second Street
Sixth Street
Third Street

--
Cheers, Harvey

[Quinn C]

* Stefan Ram:

> Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> writes:
>>I was going to suggest "Park und Fahrt", but "Fahrt" can mean a trip
>>where you're the driver or the passenger, can't it?
>

> Excellent suggestion! While "Fahrt" also could mean a trip by car,
> the placement after "Park und " suggests a different meaning here.

I don't know. I don't find it immediately understandable, but one could
learn how it's meant and get used to it. However, what bothers me is
that the two words aren't the same part of speech in German, so I'd
change it to Park & Fahr.

[Sam Plusnet]

On 09/06/2022 11:38, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

> That was a separate, and later, problem. For a while (my memory says at
> least a year, but I haven't checked) the motorway went to one side of
> the bridge, and then stopped, starting again on the other side. It took
> about an hour to get from one side to the other.
>

There was a similar situation when the M25 was being constructed.
Happily moving along this brand new wide motorway - until you came to a
point where a major bridge/flyover was under construction - rinse and
repeat every few miles.

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On 8 Jun 2022 16:33:25 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>El Wed, 08 Jun 2022 11:54:17 -0400, TonyCooper escribió:
>

>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 08:47:07 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>> wrote:
>>

>>>On 8 Jun 2022 15:33:52 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>

>>>>El Wed, 08 Jun 2022 16:16:33 +0100, charles escribió:
>>>>

>>>>> In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,
>>>>> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:
>>>>
>>>>>> > ---- start English is the only language where you drive in
>>>>>> > parkways and park in driveways.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
>>>>>

>>>>> an out of town railway station with a large carpark
>>>>

>>>>So somewhere you park?
>>>
>>>
>>>No. A parkway is a kind of highway, often (always?) decorated with more
>>>plants than the average highway, and often (always?) one on which trucks
>>>are not allowed.
>>>
>>>I think the term "parkway" is only used in some US states, but not all.
>>>I know New York has parkways, but as far as I know, Arizona, where I now
>>>live, does not. I don't know about any other states.
>>>

>>>And by the way, I would never say "drive in parkways." I would say
>>>"drive on parkways."
>>

>> Most Parkways in the US are divided in the middle with a strip of land
>> that is decoratively planted.
>

>I think that in BrE that's a "dual carriageway".

I know one parkway in the UK that seems fit the US definition: Princess
Parkway in Manchester, England:
It is a stretch of the road
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A5103_road


--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[Peter Moylan]

We have a similar trip planner on the NSW transport web site. It works
well for Sydney, but it seems to be not as good for Newcastle.

[Peter Moylan]

Years ago I had a related problem. We had just moved houses, and I had
to find a good route from work to home. I found a route that looked good
in the street directory. When trying to use it, I discovered that, at
the intersection of XYZ street and ABC street, there was a drop in the
level of XYZ street of four or five metres. That is, the only way to
cross that intersection was to drive off the edge of a small cliff. (Of
course, there was a barrier to stop me from doing that.) The street
directory didn't mention that little detail, and the street had the same
name on the two sides of the barrier.

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

This would be due to the colonial approach; chuck a grid on a map and worry about the geography later.


There are certainly at least 2 roads in Sydney that are actually 2 or 3 separate roads, IYSWIM. We were freshly arrived in an unfamiliar hire car at a jetlagged time of day, and it was with some relief I found the right street that her relatives lived on; but we were on the wrong section! ("Just check the number again, would you?")

[Adam Funk]

ICBW but I was under the impression they try to reduce that kind of
near-duplication in the US in new developments.

> Nearby there is the intersting of Whatsit Ace and whatsit Court, and
> there is a whatsit Cir not that far from here.
>
> We live on South Whosit Court, and at least half of the time someone is
> trying to come to our house they try to go to Whosit Street, which
> sends them to the other side of town (70 blocks away) to an address that
> does not exist.
>
> Why?
>
> Because the software or the driver or someone in an office seems to be
> smart enough to figure out there is no "Whosit Street" near our address
> number, so it looks for the street with a similar possible address
> range, and strips out the "South" part of the name. The street exists up
> there, but there not at the actual address they are looking for as it
> dead-ends a couple of blacks away.
>
>

--

Our function calls do not have parameters: they have
arguments, and they always win them.
---Klingon Programmer's Guide

[Adam Funk]

On 2022-06-09, Quinn C wrote:

> * Stefan Ram:
>
>> Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> writes:
>>>I was going to suggest "Park und Fahrt", but "Fahrt" can mean a trip
>>>where you're the driver or the passenger, can't it?
>>
>> Excellent suggestion! While "Fahrt" also could mean a trip by car,
>> the placement after "Park und " suggests a different meaning here.
>
> I don't know. I don't find it immediately understandable, but one could
> learn how it's meant and get used to it. However, what bothers me is
> that the two words aren't the same part of speech in German, so I'd
> change it to Park & Fahr.

Which then sounds more like "park & drive"?


--
Let me tell you what I think of bicycling. I think it has done more to
emancipate women than anything else in the world. I stand and rejoice
every time I see a woman ride by on a wheel. ---Susan B. Anthony

[Adam Funk]

On 2022-06-09, TonyCooper wrote:

> On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 09:38:14 +0100, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 2022-06-08, TonyCooper wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 16:01:30 -0000 (UTC), wol...@bimajority.org
>>> (Garrett Wollman) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,
>>>>Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:

I think that's one of the reasons they started using postcodes
(originally just what's now the first half) in London, which had
expanded rapidly to engulf a lot of separate towns & villages.

> In the US, there are certain street names that seem to be in every
> town. Streets named after Presidents (Washington Street), trees (Elm
> Street) and flower (Rose Street), just to name a few.
>
> Cities in this area tend to annex surrounding areas to increase their
> tax base. That, too, leads to duplicate street names.
>
> Unlike some major cities in the North, many Florida cities are
> surrounded by undeveloped areas...until some developers develops them
> and creates new subdivisions.
>
>>
>>> The reason I mention this is that are industrial and commercial
>>> developments with "Parkway" in the street names, and they are not in
>>> anyway like a "Parkway" by the standard definitions.
> --
>
> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
>
> I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment

--
The stakes are high and so am I

[Adam Funk]

The Blue Ridge Parkway looks nice but it's not wide (& don't expect to
go nearly as fast as on Route 11, never mind I-81).

> We have several "Parkways" around here, but they are generally
> multi-lane thoroughfares carrying tens of thousands of cars in
> suburgatory to a shopping mall or something. They are not what I would
> consider a parkway, they are a street that someone wanted to prettify
> with an inappropriate name.
>
> Sort of like calling your development "Park Meadows" (no parks, no
> meadows) or naming streets in your neighborhood after all the types of
> trees that aren't there and the wildlife that was forced out.
>
>

--

Hear my laughter in your head
It's a pity, it's a shame, nothing's been said

[Adam Funk]

There's a whole wikipedia article about that:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1919_Motor_Transport_Corps_convoy>




--
Unix is a user-friendly operating system. It's just very choosy about
its friends.

[Adam Funk]

On 2022-06-08, Quinn C wrote:

> * charles:
>

>> In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,
>> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> El Tue, 07 Jun 2022 10:36:56 +0200, occam escribió:
>>

>>>> Here is a bit of English wordplay, recycled from
>>>> <fr.lettres.lange.anglais>, the French sibling of AUE. (The text itself
>>>> originates from a Facebook post.)
>>>>

>>>> ---- start English is the only language where you drive in parkways and
>>>> park in driveways.
>>

>>> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
>>

>> an out of town railway station with a large carpark
>

> In Germany that system is called "Park & Ride" - literally, not "the
> German translation of". And I don't think that's a German only English
> expression.
>

> Actually, the reason may be that there's no one-word German equivalent
> for "ride" - "reiten" is really only for horses and such - and "Parken &
> den Zug nehmen" is not nearly as snappy.

When I used to go to Karlsruhe occasionally for work, I stayed at "Der
Blaue Reiter" hotel; they use that Kandinsky as their logo. (I really
liked their Käsespätzle.)


--
yes, I know the secrets of the circuitry mind
it's a flaming wonder telepath

[Ruud Harmsen]

Fri, 10 Jun 2022 10:16:25 +1000: Peter Moylan

<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> scribeva:

>On 09/06/22 22:31, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> Thu, 9 Jun 2022 20:07:49 +1000: Peter Moylan
>> <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> scribeva:
>>
>>> A long time later a tow truck turned up. "I had trouble finding
>>> you", said the driver. "They told me you were on Park Avenue."
>>>
>>> That wasn't because of a name confusion. It was because the phone
>>> operator was in Sydney and had probably never been in Newcastle.
>>> (She might also have had an out-of-date map.) We have the same
>>> problem when phoning the bus company to ask how to get from point A
>>> to point B.
>>
>> Phoning??
>>
>> https://9292.nl/

Must admin that the name of the site derives from a former phone
number: 06-9292, where you could get such information. When 06 were
still service numbers, not personal mobile phones.

Still reachable by phone, even today, under 0900-9292.

>We have a similar trip planner on the NSW transport web site. It works
>well for Sydney, but it seems to be not as good for Newcastle.

--

Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

I've always had the idea that the streets of San Francisco were laid
out on paper by someone who had never been there and didn't know about
the hills.

>
>
> There are certainly at least 2 roads in Sydney that are actually 2 or 3
> separate roads, IYSWIM. We were freshly arrived in an unfamiliar hire
> car at a jetlagged time of day, and it was with some relief I found the
> right street that her relatives lived on; but we were on the wrong
> section! ("Just check the number again, would you?")


--

Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

[CDB]

On 6/9/2022 9:19 AM, occam wrote:
> Peter Moylan wrote:
>> occam wrote:

>>> Peter Moylan wrote:

>>>> It's a common (but not universal) practice here to plant trees
>>>> in the centre divider of a major highway. (Or, in some cases,
>>>> to leave the trees that were already there.) In some cases the
>>>> centre divider is so wide that you can't see the other side
>>>> when you're driving. That's a major benefit to people like me
>>>> who hate being blinded by the excessively bright headlights of
>>>> some late-model cars.

>>> Another benefit is the 'cross-over' problem, in case of a
>>> serious accident. The likelihood of cars flipping from one side
>>> to the other - onto oncoming traffic - is much reduced.

>> In recent years more and more divided highways, usually those with
>> only narrow median strips, have acquired steel rope fencing to stop
>> cars from skidding onto the wrong side. Motorcyclists call these
>> bacon slicers.

> That's a two-sided edge. Does this mean they consider themselves as
> pigs to the slaughter?

They ride hogs, innit.

[CDB]

On 6/9/2022 10:38 AM, Quinn C wrote:
> * Kerr-Mudd, John:
>> Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
>>> Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>> charles escribió:

>>>>> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> occam escribió:

>>>>>>> ---- start English is the only language where you drive
>>>>>>> in parkways and park in driveways.

>>>>>> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.

>>>>> an out of town railway station with a large carpark

>>>> So somewhere you park?

>>> I've traveled to, from or via Bristol Parkway a time or several,
>>> but I have never parked a car there. So it's just part of the
>>> station's name, as far as I'm concerned.

>> For even less excitement, try Patchway.

> If you find yourself driving on the fairway, you must have missed a
> turn.

Or that thing in your hand is not a steering wheel.

[Adam Funk]

It's easier if you assume a plane cow.

>>
>>
>> There are certainly at least 2 roads in Sydney that are actually 2 or 3
>> separate roads, IYSWIM. We were freshly arrived in an unfamiliar hire
>> car at a jetlagged time of day, and it was with some relief I found the
>> right street that her relatives lived on; but we were on the wrong
>> section! ("Just check the number again, would you?")
>
>


--

The history of the world is the history of a privileged few.
---Henry Miller

[Peter T. Daniels]

Nope, at least not the part shown in the one photograph. That's
an ordinary boring expressway, with no esthetic landscaping.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Fascinating!

Who knew the Lincoln Highway went back that far -- there are bits of
it in Metro NJ still signed for it, and a recent Rand McNally Road Atlas
gives its siglum here and there across the country.

It nominally started in Times Square, but the Lincoln Tunnel hadn't
been built yet. Any connection in the names?

[Paul Carmichael]

El Fri, 10 Jun 2022 09:51:17 +0100, Kerr-Mudd, John escribió:

> We were freshly arrived in an unfamiliar hire
> car

I've not noticed this in English before (I don't think).

In German, yes (participle + sein) and in Latin (participle + esse).

Is it in general use and I just wasn't aware?

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

[Paul Carmichael]

Americans and upsidedownheads.


--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

[Ken Blake]

On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 11:55:11 +1000, Peter Moylan
<pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>On 09/06/22 01:54, TonyCooper wrote:
>> On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 08:47:07 -0700, Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> In article <pan$b323e$a398bce1$ee28855f$3100...@gmail.com>,
>>>>> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> What's a parkway? It's not in my OED.
>
>>> No. A parkway is a kind of highway, often (always?) decorated with
>>> more plants than the average highway, and often (always?) one on
>>> which trucks are not allowed.
>
>Clearly I should have checked a dictionary the first time I heard this
>word. I always thought that a parkway was a main road that ran through a
>park. I didn't know about the truck exclusion, either.

By the way, I said "trucks," but it's not just trucks; it's also any
commercial vehicle with the name of the company displayed/advertised
on it.

[Ken Blake]

On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 09:37:05 +0200, occam <nob...@nowhere.nix> wrote:

>
>On 09/06/2022 03:55, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
>>
>> It's a common (but not universal) practice here to plant trees in the
>> centre divider of a major highway. (Or, in some cases, to leave the
>> trees that were already there.) In some cases the centre divider is so
>> wide that you can't see the other side when you're driving. That's a
>> major benefit to people like me who hate being blinded by the
>> excessively bright headlights of some late-model cars.
>>
>
>Another benefit is the 'cross-over' problem, in case of a serious
>accident. The likelihood of cars flipping from one side to the other -
>onto oncoming traffic - is much reduced.

Yes, but it's not only width that accomplishes that. It can also be
trees there.

[lar3ryca]

Hmm... could be, but maybe it is.
If you haven't seen "The Golf War", you are missing something very funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyDHaKtROZo

--
To the person who invented Zero: Thanks for nothing.

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

On 10 Jun 2022 13:09:40 GMT

Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:

> El Fri, 10 Jun 2022 09:51:17 +0100, Kerr-Mudd, John escribió:
>
> > We were freshly arrived in an unfamiliar hire
> > car
>
> I've not noticed this in English before (I don't think).
>
> In German, yes (participle + sein) and in Latin (participle + esse).
>
> Is it in general use and I just wasn't aware?
>

No, I was chanelling Navi, and cramming too much into one sentence.

[Quinn C]

* Kerr-Mudd, John:

Quite common in Montreal, even though it's not a strict grid layout. But
the numbers are aligned, so the useful strategy is to stay on one of the
main arteries until you're in the right number range, then switch to the
smaller parallel street.

--
Ice hockey is a form of disorderly conduct
in which the score is kept.
-- Doug Larson

[Paul Carmichael]

I actually quite like it. It describes a resulting condition rather than
stating that something had happened. Is it actually "allowed" in English?


--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio