This may not be the right place...

[Phil L]

..but I'm trying to find out about 2 words that are used in my hometown
almost exclusively (St Helens in Merseyside)

1 - Clauped - pronounced 'clawped' meaning to daub, as in, ' you only need a
little polish on the car, you don't need to claup it on'

can be spelled clauped or clawped

2 - Bortered - meaning to be covered in, 'they came in the house bortered in
mud'.

I've never heard anyone outside my town use either of these words and yet
here, they are understood by everyone.
They are both sometimes used in the same sentence: ' he was clauping the
paint on when he did the fence and he was bortered in it afterwards'

[Percival P. Cassidy]

On 04/07/12 12:22 pm, Phil L wrote:

> ..but I'm trying to find out about 2 words that are used in my hometown
> almost exclusively (St Helens in Merseyside)
>
> 1 - Clauped - pronounced 'clawped' meaning to daub, as in, ' you only need a
> little polish on the car, you don't need to claup it on'
>
> can be spelled clauped or clawped

"claup" reminds me of the noun "glob." But I don't think I've ever heard
"glob" as a verb.

> 2 - Bortered - meaning to be covered in, 'they came in the house bortered in
> mud'.

No ideas about that one.

> I've never heard anyone outside my town use either of these words and yet
> here, they are understood by everyone.
> They are both sometimes used in the same sentence: ' he was clauping the
> paint on when he did the fence and he was bortered in it afterwards'

Perce

[Curlytop]

Phil L set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time continuum:

Immediate gut reaction
"claup" could have developed from "claub" as somebody's misread of "daub",
or it could be a portmanteau of "clap" or "slap" with "daub".
"bortered" is a variant of "bordered" i.e. "decorated (?) around the outer
edge or surface".
--
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Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply

[Peter Duncanson (BrE)]

On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 17:22:57 +0100, "Phil L" <neverc...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

I wonder if "claup" might be derived from "clabber".

OED:

clabber, n.
Etymology: < Irish and Gaelic clabar mud.

1. dial. Also clauber. Mud.
1824 J. Mactaggart Sc. Gallovidian Encycl., Clabber, any soft
dirty matter.
....
Derivatives

clabbery adj. muddy.
1880 W. H. Patterson Gloss. Words Antrim & Down, 'They clodded
clabber at me.' 'Don't put the dog into that clabbery hole.'

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[Don Phillipson]

"Phil L" <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:zRZfr.302$Od1...@fx32.am4...

> ..but I'm trying to find out about 2 words that are used in my hometown
> almost exclusively (St Helens in Merseyside)

It would be surprising if England had no dialect dictionary
(like the recently-completed Dictionary of American Regional English.)

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

[Roland Hutchinson]

On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 12:33:30 -0400, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:

> On 04/07/12 12:22 pm, Phil L wrote:
>
>> ..but I'm trying to find out about 2 words that are used in my hometown
>> almost exclusively (St Helens in Merseyside)
>>
>> 1 - Clauped - pronounced 'clawped' meaning to daub, as in, ' you only
>> need a little polish on the car, you don't need to claup it on'
>>
>> can be spelled clauped or clawped
>
> "claup" reminds me of the noun "glob." But I don't think I've ever heard
> "glob" as a verb.

For what it's worth, "you just glob it on" sounds like perfectly
idiomatic AmE to me, meaning you take one or more big dollops or handfulls
of the stuff and toss it on in a carefree (indeed almost careless) manner.

--
Roland Hutchinson

He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba,"
... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy.
--Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ )

[Marius Hancu]

I love these. I hope people will go on on such words.

Marius Hancu

[Marius Hancu]

Indeed. I found:
---
Conquer Editing & Punctuation for Primary 5

Many of her friends think that she is being
rediculos. 10. They tell her that she should not be so bortered about
such beliefs.
---

Marius Hancu

[Phil L]

Thanks to all who replied, I particularly liked the 'clabber' explanation.
A further thought occured to me WRT 'bortered' - it could be a deriviative
of 'buttered'

[James Silverton]

The word "clabber" is used for "mud" etc in Scots, see
http://www.dsl.ac.uk/ The dictionary indicates that the word is
widespread from Northern England onwards. I had not realized that the
OED gives a Gaelic derivation but my library online OED is down today.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not" in Reply To.

[Mike L]

The painter must have been a right slatter-breeches.

--
Mike.

[Iain Archer]

Phil L wrote on Sun, 8 Apr 2012

Or 'battered'. From the online OED, batter v1:

7. Sc. To paste, to fix (as with paste); to cover with things stuck on.
Obs.
1624 A. H. Paper-Persec. in J. Davies Wks. (1876–8) II. 81 To
behold the wals Batter'd with weekely Newes.
1650 J. Row Hist. Kirk Scotl. (1842) 72 Who mutilated and did ryue
out many leaues of the Register, and did batter others together.
1756 M. Calderwood Lett. & Jrnls. (1884) 86 This church is battered
as full of escutchions as the wall can hold.
1756 M. Calderwood Lett. & Jrnls. (1884) 105 A certain sort of mutch
they wear..close battered to their faces.
[a mutch is a cap, or coif covering top, back and sides of the head]
--
Iain Archer

[Marius Hancu]

And that means?:-)

Thanks.
Marius Hancu

[James Hogg]

Don Phillipson wrote:
> "Phil L" <neverc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:zRZfr.302$Od1...@fx32.am4...
>
>> ..but I'm trying to find out about 2 words that are used in my hometown
>> almost exclusively (St Helens in Merseyside)
>
> It would be surprising if England had no dialect dictionary
> (like the recently-completed Dictionary of American Regional English.)

Wright's English Dialect Dictionary has this from nearby Cheshire:

CLAUPED, pp. Chs. Written clawped Chs. 8 Also
in form daubed. Daubed.

Chs. Your mouth's all claubed with treacle

--
James

[James Hogg]

In another reply I quote the EDD entry for "claup". Here's your other
word, which is actually "balter". It's from a badly scanned online
version but you can see a better facsimile at
http://archive.org/details/englishdialectdi01wriguoft:


BALTER, sb. Stf. A tangle ; a lump.

Stf. 2 Iz yed waz o' av 3 bortsr 3 kSrlz [all of a baiter of curls].

BALTER, v. 1 Wm. Yks. Also written bauter n.Yks. 2 ;
bawther e.Yks. 1 [bou'ta(r), bou'ba(r).]

1. To tread heavily and clumsily, to walk unsteadily, to
stumble.

n.Yks. 1 ; n.Yks. 2 To tread in a clownish manner, as an ox does
the grass. e.Yks. 1 w.Yks. Leeds Merc. Suppl. (July 25, 1891).

Hence Battering, vbl, sb. the footprint of an animal in
the clay.

n.Yks. 2

2. To do anything in a bungling way.
Wm. 1 , e-Yks. 1

Hence Baltering, ppl. adj. unsteady, clumsy.

n.Cy. Border Gl. e.Yks. 1 Noo mind hoo thoo gans alang,
thoo greeat bawtherin thing !

[1. He (the bear) baltyrde, he bleryde, he braundyschte
)>er after, Morte Arth. (c. 1440) 782 (MATZNER). Cp. Dan.
baltre, boltre, to wallow, welter, tumble.]

BALTER, v? Chs. War. Shr. Bdf. Also written
bauter s.Chs. 1 Shr. 1 ; bawter Chs. 1 Also bolter, q.v.
To cohere, to form into lumps or balls.

War. 1 ; War. 3 Baiter, to cohere, as snow on horses' hoofs.

Hence (i) Baltered, ppl. adj. tangled, clogged, matted
together ; (2) Baltery, adj. lumpy, clogged.

(i) Chs. 1 Bawtert wi' slutch [clogged with mud]. s.Chs. 1
Ahy)v just bin mil-kin, un ahy)m bau'turd wi ky'aaymiik [I've
just bin milkin', an' I'm bautered wi' cal-muck]. Shr. 1 Said of hair.
(2) Bdf. Our flour is so baltry, that we put it on the floor and
trample it (J.W.B.).

[To baulter ones hair, complicare crines, ROBERTSON
Phras. (1693).]

--
James

[Mike L]

A mucky pup.

--
Mike.

[Robin Bignall]

I don't recall hearing that expression since I wore short trousers. It
was one of my mother's favourites, and should have been in wife1's
vocabulary because she grew up only 15 miles from me. Both of my sons
would have looked puzzled had it been used about them when children.
--
Robin Bignall
(BrE)
Herts, England

[Mike L]

What about "a mullocks"? I've heard it mentioned; but OED has only
"mullock" and "mullocker", which are closely related, but don't mean
the same.

--
Mike.

[Robin Bignall]

Nope, that's new to me.

[Peter Duncanson (BrE)]

Sounds to me like a mispronunciation, playful or otherwise, of "lummox":

dial. and U.S.
A large, heavy, or clumsy person; an ungainly or stupid lout.

a1825 R. Forby Vocab. E. Anglia (1830) II. 201 Look o' yin great
lummox, lazing and lolloping about.
1854 A. E. Baker Gloss. Northamptonshire Words I. 402 A great
fat lommocks.
....
1919 H. L. Wilson Ma Pettengill iii. 92 Oswald is a big
fair-haired lummox that sings tenor in the Presbyterian choir.
....
1934 A. Ransome Coot Club xix. 233 Ye'd better. He'll ferget the
salt else, the gormless old lummocks!

[Mike L]

Ah. I hadn't thought of that possibility, but I'll never know now.

--
Mike.

[John Holmes]

It has got mullocky (adj) Eng. regional (west midl.). Dirty, untidy; rotten.



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John
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[Mike L]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:05:50 +1000, John Holmes <jh...@tpg.com.au>
wrote:

I should have looked down the sidebar. Certainly that's closer, so I'm
inclined to think the form I heard may have been idiosyncratic -
though sticking an s on the end of nouns, adjectives, and
abbreviations is quite a regular way of forming epithets in informal
English.

--
Mike.

[jonny...@gmail.com]

[CDB]

"Bortered" looks like a variant of "boltered", used once by Shakespeare
in "blood-boltered". It doesn't seem (brief search) to be in modern
dictionaries, but it can be found under "boltered" at GoogleBooks:

https://books.google.ca/bkshp?hl=en&tab=wp

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 8:05:06 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
> On 8/31/2017 4:28 PM, jonny...@gmail.com wrote:

[reviving a 2012 thread]

Crystal, *Shakespeare's Words*, has 'with hair matted with blood, with
tangled bloody knots of hair *Mac* IV.i.122 [Macbeth to himself] _The
blood-boltered Banquo smiles upon me_'

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

The OED has:

blood-boltered adj. [probably < blood n. + a variant of the past
participle of balter v.] now literary and arch. clotted or clogged
with blood; esp. having the hair matted with blood.

a1616 Shakespeare Macbeth (1623) iv. i. 139 Now I see 'tis true,
For the Blood-bolter'd Banquo smiles vpon me.
....
1986 P. D. James Taste for Death (1989) v. viii. 408 Such a
small thing, a simple impulse obeyed, and it had led him to that
blood-boltered vestry.

balter, v.

Forms: Also 16 baulter, 17–18 dial. bauter.
Etymology: probably < Old Norse; compare Danish baltre , boltre to
wallow, welter, tumble. See also boulter n. The connection between
senses 1, 2 and the others is not clear, but it may be either
through the notion of tumbling (the hair), or of weltering.
Obs. exc. dial.

†1. intr. To tumble about, to dance clumsily.
<snip>
3. trans. To tangle, ‘mat’ (the hair).
1693 W. Robertson Phraseologia generalis (new ed.) 216 To
baulter one's hair, complicare crines.
1879 G. F. Jackson Shropshire Word-bk. Bautered, tangled,
unkempt; said of hair.

4. trans. To clot or clog with anything sticky.

1601 P. Holland tr. Pliny Hist. World II. xxix. ii Filthy
excrements hanging to sheeps tailes..baltered together into round
pils or bals. [See balter n.]

5. intr. (for refl.) To form tangled knots or clots, to stick
together by coagulation.

1601 P. Holland tr. Pliny Hist. World I. xii. xvii It [a goat's
beard] baltereth and cluttereth into knots and balls.