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Bertel Lund Hansen
Sep 30, 2022, 1:21:36 AM9/30/22
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Today in a message that I decided not to send, I needed a word that I
could not find in the dictionaries.
On a beach (in Denmark at least) one can see waves breking some distance
from the beach. This is caused by the bootom rising to near the surface
of the water. Such a rising is called "revle" in Danish. What is the
English word?
There are three of them where the nearest is closest to the surface. The
third might nok make the waves break.
--
Bertel
could not find in the dictionaries.
On a beach (in Denmark at least) one can see waves breking some distance
from the beach. This is caused by the bootom rising to near the surface
of the water. Such a rising is called "revle" in Danish. What is the
English word?
There are three of them where the nearest is closest to the surface. The
third might nok make the waves break.
--
Bertel
Richard Heathfield
Sep 30, 2022, 1:35:48 AM9/30/22
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On 30/09/2022 6:21 am, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Today in a message that I decided not to send, I needed a word
> that I could not find in the dictionaries.
>
> On a beach (in Denmark at least) one can see waves breking some
> distance from the beach. This is caused by the bootom rising to
> near the surface of the water. Such a rising is called "revle" in
> Danish. What is the English word?
/The/ English word? That's not how English works.
> Today in a message that I decided not to send, I needed a word
> that I could not find in the dictionaries.
>
> On a beach (in Denmark at least) one can see waves breking some
> distance from the beach. This is caused by the bootom rising to
> near the surface of the water. Such a rising is called "revle" in
> Danish. What is the English word?
Bank: "An elevation, or rising ground, under the sea; a shallow
area of shifting sand, gravel, mud, and so forth (for example, a
sandbank or mudbank)."
Reef: "A chain or range of rocks, sand, or coral lying at or near
the surface of the water."
Sandbank: "A ridge of sand along a shore that is partially or
totally submerged and thus a hazard to shipping."
Shallow: "A shallow portion of an otherwise deep body of water."
Shoal: "A sandbank or sandbar creating a shallow."
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Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
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bil...@shaw.ca
Sep 30, 2022, 1:37:12 AM9/30/22
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them, though not often high ones.
But I don't know the one word you're looking for. Perhaps it is on this page:
https://rwu.pressbooks.pub/webboceanography/chapter/10-3-waves-on-the-shore/
bill
Horace LaBadie
Sep 30, 2022, 1:42:39 AM9/30/22
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Peter Moylan
Sep 30, 2022, 2:25:25 AM9/30/22
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likely to be a reef.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
Snidely
Sep 30, 2022, 3:23:37 AM9/30/22
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Lo, on the 9/29/2022, bil...@shaw.ca did proclaim ...
Reef, innit?
Sand bars are often formed at the mouths of rivers (and at the mouth of
the Columbia, can be treacherous for boats and even ships). These are
the spots where the outflow is no longer strong enough to push aside
the ocean water.
Reefs, on the other hand, are either remnants of land or the result of
corals growing ever closer to the surface.
I hesitate to claim that I've guessed correctly, but perhaps "reef" and
"revle" have a common origin.
/dps
--
"What do you think of my cart, Miss Morland? A neat one, is not it?
Well hung: curricle-hung in fact. Come sit by me and we'll test the
springs."
(Speculative fiction by H.Lacedaemonian.)
Sand bars are often formed at the mouths of rivers (and at the mouth of
the Columbia, can be treacherous for boats and even ships). These are
the spots where the outflow is no longer strong enough to push aside
the ocean water.
Reefs, on the other hand, are either remnants of land or the result of
corals growing ever closer to the surface.
I hesitate to claim that I've guessed correctly, but perhaps "reef" and
"revle" have a common origin.
/dps
--
"What do you think of my cart, Miss Morland? A neat one, is not it?
Well hung: curricle-hung in fact. Come sit by me and we'll test the
springs."
(Speculative fiction by H.Lacedaemonian.)
occam
Sep 30, 2022, 3:30:09 AM9/30/22
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it a specialist/regional word?
https://en.bab.la/dictionary/danish-english/revle
Ruud Harmsen
Sep 30, 2022, 4:05:31 AM9/30/22
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Fri, 30 Sep 2022 09:30:04 +0200: occam <oc...@nowhere.nix> scribeva:
Rev (found with Google Translate) is in Wiktionary:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rev#Etymology_1_2
Perhaps revle is a diminutive or other derivation of that? Or maybe it
is officially spelled differently?
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rev#Etymology_1_2
Perhaps revle is a diminutive or other derivation of that? Or maybe it
is officially spelled differently?
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com
occam
Sep 30, 2022, 4:16:23 AM9/30/22
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https://en.bab.la/dictionary/danish-english/rev
'barrier or reef'
So, your guess is that 'revle' is a 'reeflet'.
Paul Wolff
Sep 30, 2022, 5:30:03 AM9/30/22
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2022, at 06:35:43, Richard Heathfield posted:
limited to any particular cause, like rocks or sand or shingle, and
Bertel's question was similarly unlimited - "the bottom rising to near
the surface". 'Shoal' also suggests troubled water at the surface.
--
Paul
>On 30/09/2022 6:21 am, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> Today in a message that I decided not to send, I needed a word that
>>I could not find in the dictionaries.
>> On a beach (in Denmark at least) one can see waves breking some
>>distance from the beach. This is caused by the bootom rising to near
>>the surface of the water. Such a rising is called "revle" in Danish.
>>What is the English word?
>
>/The/ English word? That's not how English works.
>
>Bank: "An elevation, or rising ground, under the sea; a shallow area of
>shifting sand, gravel, mud, and so forth (for example, a sandbank or
>mudbank)."
>
>Reef: "A chain or range of rocks, sand, or coral lying at or near the
>surface of the water."
>
>Sandbank: "A ridge of sand along a shore that is partially or totally
>submerged and thus a hazard to shipping."
>
>Shallow: "A shallow portion of an otherwise deep body of water."
>
>Shoal: "A sandbank or sandbar creating a shallow."
>
A good selection, and the most apt of those is 'shoal' because it isn't
>> Today in a message that I decided not to send, I needed a word that
>>I could not find in the dictionaries.
>> On a beach (in Denmark at least) one can see waves breking some
>>distance from the beach. This is caused by the bootom rising to near
>>the surface of the water. Such a rising is called "revle" in Danish.
>>What is the English word?
>
>/The/ English word? That's not how English works.
>
>Bank: "An elevation, or rising ground, under the sea; a shallow area of
>shifting sand, gravel, mud, and so forth (for example, a sandbank or
>mudbank)."
>
>Reef: "A chain or range of rocks, sand, or coral lying at or near the
>surface of the water."
>
>Sandbank: "A ridge of sand along a shore that is partially or totally
>submerged and thus a hazard to shipping."
>
>Shallow: "A shallow portion of an otherwise deep body of water."
>
>Shoal: "A sandbank or sandbar creating a shallow."
>
limited to any particular cause, like rocks or sand or shingle, and
Bertel's question was similarly unlimited - "the bottom rising to near
the surface". 'Shoal' also suggests troubled water at the surface.
--
Paul
Paul Carmichael
Sep 30, 2022, 6:19:55 AM9/30/22
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occam
Sep 30, 2022, 6:33:41 AM9/30/22
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Paul Carmichael
Sep 30, 2022, 7:15:32 AM9/30/22
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J. J. Lodder
Sep 30, 2022, 7:21:22 AM9/30/22
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The sandbank/sandbar is probably from Dutch 'zandbank',
Jan
J. J. Lodder
Sep 30, 2022, 7:21:22 AM9/30/22
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Snidely <snide...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lo, on the 9/29/2022, bil...@shaw.ca did proclaim ...
> > On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 10:21:36 PM UTC-7, Bertel Lund Hansen
> > wrote:
> >> Today in a message that I decided not to send, I needed a word that I
> >> could not find in the dictionaries.
> >>
> >> On a beach (in Denmark at least) one can see waves breking some distance
> >> from the beach. This is caused by the bootom rising to near the surface
> >> of the water. Such a rising is called "revle" in Danish. What is the
> >> English word?
> >>
> >> There are three of them where the nearest is closest to the surface. The
> >> third might nok make the waves break.
> >>
> > I think of those areas as sand banks, and I have often see waves breaking
> > over them, though not often high ones.
> >
> > But I don't know the one word you're looking for. Perhaps it is on this
> >page:
> >
> > https://rwu.pressbooks.pub/webboceanography/chapter/10-3-waves-on-the-shore/
> >
> > bill
>
> Reef, innit?
>
> Sand bars are often formed at the mouths of rivers (and at the mouth of
> the Columbia, can be treacherous for boats and even ships). These are
> the spots where the outflow is no longer strong enough to push aside
> the ocean water.
And even in front of 'infinitely' long beaches.
> Lo, on the 9/29/2022, bil...@shaw.ca did proclaim ...
> > On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 10:21:36 PM UTC-7, Bertel Lund Hansen
> > wrote:
> >> Today in a message that I decided not to send, I needed a word that I
> >> could not find in the dictionaries.
> >>
> >> On a beach (in Denmark at least) one can see waves breking some distance
> >> from the beach. This is caused by the bootom rising to near the surface
> >> of the water. Such a rising is called "revle" in Danish. What is the
> >> English word?
> >>
> >> There are three of them where the nearest is closest to the surface. The
> >> third might nok make the waves break.
> >>
> > I think of those areas as sand banks, and I have often see waves breaking
> > over them, though not often high ones.
> >
> > But I don't know the one word you're looking for. Perhaps it is on this
> >page:
> >
> > https://rwu.pressbooks.pub/webboceanography/chapter/10-3-waves-on-the-shore/
> >
> > bill
>
> Reef, innit?
>
> Sand bars are often formed at the mouths of rivers (and at the mouth of
> the Columbia, can be treacherous for boats and even ships). These are
> the spots where the outflow is no longer strong enough to push aside
> the ocean water.
The waves crashing on the beach cause a return current along the bottom
that takes sand with it until it will go no further.
That's where the sandbank will be.
(and the sandbank will cause another one in front of it,
till you have a stable system of ridges in front of the coast)
Jan
J. J. Lodder
Sep 30, 2022, 7:21:23 AM9/30/22
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Jan
Ruud Harmsen
Sep 30, 2022, 8:10:46 AM9/30/22
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Fri, 30 Sep 2022 13:21:17 +0200: nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) scribeva:
No: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sandbank
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sandbar
Lodder) scribeva:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sandbar
Bertel Lund Hansen
Sep 30, 2022, 9:20:09 AM9/30/22
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Den 30.09.2022 kl. 09.30 skrev occam:
> Why does the online Danish-English dictionary not recognise 'revle'? Is
> it a specialist/regional word?
I use only dictionaries with one language. It's an old habit and it has
> Why does the online Danish-English dictionary not recognise 'revle'? Is
> it a specialist/regional word?
helped to expand my vocabulary.
--
Bertel
Sam Plusnet
Sep 30, 2022, 11:42:15 AM9/30/22
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banks will build up when the conditions for this are present.
With a change in conditions, those banks will either shift, reduce, or
effectively disappear.
I think of reefs and shoals as more permanent structures, so I wouldn't
use those words in this particular context.
--
Sam Plusnet
Ken Blake
Sep 30, 2022, 1:44:58 PM9/30/22
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usually made of rock, but "shoal" isn't really a structure; it's just
a general term for a place where the water is shallow, so it's not
necessarily permanent.
Ruud Harmsen
Sep 30, 2022, 1:56:07 PM9/30/22
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Fri, 30 Sep 2022 15:20:04 +0200: Bertel Lund Hansen
<gade...@lundhansen.dk> scribeva:
In my experience, using bilingual _and_ monolingual dictionaries works
best.
<gade...@lundhansen.dk> scribeva:
best.
Sam Plusnet
Sep 30, 2022, 1:56:45 PM9/30/22
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That's probably why I think of it as a permanent structure.
--
Sam Plusnet
J. J. Lodder
Sep 30, 2022, 3:59:34 PM9/30/22
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Stefan Ram <r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> writes:
> >OK, but I think of "shoals" as something that would be marked on charts.
> > That's probably why I think of it as a permanent structure.
>
> A lowly learner here. Please allow me to share with yall my
> modest contribution - a quotation from a synonym dictionary:
>
> sandbank, n.: shoal, ridge, reef, bar, shallow; sandbar, ford,
> coral reef; key, cay, atoll, island, isle.
>
> . Note how the synonyms are structured into three semicolon-
> separated groups.
What you can learn from this exceercise
is that you should NEVER use a thesaurus, or a synonym dictionary,
in a scientific, or even in a semi-scientific context.
In such a context terms usually have more precise meanings,
and substituting 'synonyms' in such a text may result in errors,
misunderstandings, or even in complete nonsense,
Jan
> Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> writes:
> >OK, but I think of "shoals" as something that would be marked on charts.
> > That's probably why I think of it as a permanent structure.
>
> modest contribution - a quotation from a synonym dictionary:
>
> sandbank, n.: shoal, ridge, reef, bar, shallow; sandbar, ford,
> coral reef; key, cay, atoll, island, isle.
>
> . Note how the synonyms are structured into three semicolon-
> separated groups.
What you can learn from this exceercise
is that you should NEVER use a thesaurus, or a synonym dictionary,
in a scientific, or even in a semi-scientific context.
In such a context terms usually have more precise meanings,
and substituting 'synonyms' in such a text may result in errors,
misunderstandings, or even in complete nonsense,
Jan
J. J. Lodder
Sep 30, 2022, 5:02:26 PM9/30/22
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Those sandbanks will forever move about,
but otoh there will always be some
in a somewhat similar configuration,
Jan
Ross Clark
Sep 30, 2022, 11:37:45 PM9/30/22
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On 30/09/2022 6:35 p.m., Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 30/09/2022 6:21 am, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> Today in a message that I decided not to send, I needed a word that I
>> could not find in the dictionaries.
>>
>> On a beach (in Denmark at least) one can see waves breking some
>> distance from the beach. This is caused by the bootom rising to near
>> the surface of the water. Such a rising is called "revle" in Danish.
>> What is the English word?
>
> /The/ English word? That's not how English works.
>
> Bank: "An elevation, or rising ground, under the sea; a shallow area of
> shifting sand, gravel, mud, and so forth (for example, a sandbank or
> mudbank)."
>
> Reef: "A chain or range of rocks, sand, or coral lying at or near the
> surface of the water."
>
> Sandbank: "A ridge of sand along a shore that is partially or totally
> submerged and thus a hazard to shipping."
>
> Shallow: "A shallow portion of an otherwise deep body of water."
>
> Shoal: "A sandbank or sandbar creating a shallow."
Or just "bar":
> On 30/09/2022 6:21 am, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> Today in a message that I decided not to send, I needed a word that I
>> could not find in the dictionaries.
>>
>> On a beach (in Denmark at least) one can see waves breking some
>> distance from the beach. This is caused by the bootom rising to near
>> the surface of the water. Such a rising is called "revle" in Danish.
>> What is the English word?
>
> /The/ English word? That's not how English works.
>
> Bank: "An elevation, or rising ground, under the sea; a shallow area of
> shifting sand, gravel, mud, and so forth (for example, a sandbank or
> mudbank)."
>
> Reef: "A chain or range of rocks, sand, or coral lying at or near the
> surface of the water."
>
> Sandbank: "A ridge of sand along a shore that is partially or totally
> submerged and thus a hazard to shipping."
>
> Shallow: "A shallow portion of an otherwise deep body of water."
>
> Shoal: "A sandbank or sandbar creating a shallow."
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/319254/what-went-wrong-on-the-kaipara-bar
And isn't this just what surfers call a "break"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surf_break
Bertel Lund Hansen
Oct 1, 2022, 1:49:43 AM10/1/22
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Den 30.09.2022 kl. 19.56 skrev Ruud Harmsen:
>> I use only dictionaries with one language. It's an old habit and it has
>> helped to expand my vocabulary.
> In my experience, using bilingual _and_ monolingual dictionaries works
> best.
That way you will no doubt get a concrete answer easier and faster. I'm
>> I use only dictionaries with one language. It's an old habit and it has
>> helped to expand my vocabulary.
> In my experience, using bilingual _and_ monolingual dictionaries works
> best.
not sure that it is the best choice if you want to expand your
vocabulary as much as possible. But it is all speculation.
--
Bertel
Ross Clark
Oct 1, 2022, 6:16:20 AM10/1/22
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On 30/09/2022 6:21 p.m., Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Today in a message that I decided not to send, I needed a word that I
> could not find in the dictionaries.
>
> On a beach (in Denmark at least) one can see waves breking some distance
> from the beach. This is caused by the bootom rising to near the surface
> of the water. Such a rising is called "revle" in Danish. What is the
> English word?
For a cognate English word, I was going to suggest "riffle". But further
> Today in a message that I decided not to send, I needed a word that I
> could not find in the dictionaries.
>
> On a beach (in Denmark at least) one can see waves breking some distance
> from the beach. This is caused by the bootom rising to near the surface
> of the water. Such a rising is called "revle" in Danish. What is the
> English word?
searching led to "ripple", "ruffle" and even "ravel", at which point I
called a halt. This "ravel (n)" does have a Danish cognate "revle", but
it apparently means a strip of wood used to join boards together. Maybe
not related.
Bertel Lund Hansen
Oct 1, 2022, 7:27:48 AM10/1/22
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Den 01.10.2022 kl. 12.16 skrev Ross Clark:
> For a cognate English word, I was going to suggest "riffle". But further
> searching led to "ripple", "ruffle" and even "ravel", at which point I
> called a halt. This "ravel (n)" does have a Danish cognate "revle", but
> it apparently means a strip of wood used to join boards together. Maybe
> not related.
It is true that we have had a word, "revle" which has to do with strips
> For a cognate English word, I was going to suggest "riffle". But further
> searching led to "ripple", "ruffle" and even "ravel", at which point I
> called a halt. This "ravel (n)" does have a Danish cognate "revle", but
> it apparently means a strip of wood used to join boards together. Maybe
> not related.
of wood (e.g. railing), but that is not the same as "revle" =
"sandbank". That word comes from "rev" which is "rif(f)" in English, and
those are old words.
--
Bertel
Anders D. Nygaard
Oct 2, 2022, 11:11:13 AM10/2/22
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*revle* _(-en -r)_ _(sand-)_ bar, sand bank.
/Anders, Denmark
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