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Jared
Mar 3, 2012, 8:23:05 PM3/3/12
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Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
article below.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting-because-their-kettle-flex-was-too-long.html
--
Jared
article below.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting-because-their-kettle-flex-was-too-long.html
--
Jared
Jerry Friedman
Mar 3, 2012, 8:24:21 PM3/3/12
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On Mar 3, 6:23 pm, Jared <jared4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
> article below.
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting...
> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
> article below.
>
I believe "flex" is electrical cord. It must refer to that hardy
a.u.e. perennial, the electric kettle.
--
Jerry Friedman
tony cooper
Mar 3, 2012, 9:16:15 PM3/3/12
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long cord could cause the kettle to be accidently pulled off the
counter and a child would be burned by the hot water in the kettle.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Duggy
Mar 3, 2012, 9:22:21 PM3/3/12
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On Mar 4, 11:23 am, Jared <jared4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
> article below.
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting...
> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
> article below.
>
flex = power cord (flexible power cord).
The rule makes sense: they were stopped from adopting until they made
the house child safe.
If they can't afford a new kettle a child may be too much of a burden
for them.
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= DUG.
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Duggy
Mar 3, 2012, 9:23:04 PM3/3/12
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= DUG.
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Stan Brown
Mar 3, 2012, 10:01:46 PM3/3/12
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cited. The third was this one, from the (US) National Institutes of
Health:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4092156
Scroll down and you'll see from context that a "kettle flex" is the
power cord of a standalone electric tea kettle (as opposed to one
that is heated on top of the stove).
--
"The difference between the /almost right/ word and the /right/ word
is ... the difference between the lightning-bug and the lightning."
--Mark Twain
Stan Brown, Tompkins County, NY, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com
Steve Hayes
Mar 3, 2012, 11:41:47 PM3/3/12
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On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:01:46 -0500, Stan Brown <the_sta...@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:23:05 -0500, Jared wrote:
>>
>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
>> article below.
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting-because-their-kettle-flex-was-too-long.html
>
>The first two hits in Google for "kettle flex" were the article you
>cited. The third was this one, from the (US) National Institutes of
>Health:
>
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4092156
>
>Scroll down and you'll see from context that a "kettle flex" is the
>power cord of a standalone electric tea kettle (as opposed to one
>that is heated on top of the stove).
Does that mean it's already AmE and needs no translation?
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:23:05 -0500, Jared wrote:
>>
>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
>> article below.
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting-because-their-kettle-flex-was-too-long.html
>
>The first two hits in Google for "kettle flex" were the article you
>cited. The third was this one, from the (US) National Institutes of
>Health:
>
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4092156
>
>Scroll down and you'll see from context that a "kettle flex" is the
>power cord of a standalone electric tea kettle (as opposed to one
>that is heated on top of the stove).
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
tony cooper
Mar 3, 2012, 11:53:59 PM3/3/12
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 06:41:47 +0200, Steve Hayes
<haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:01:46 -0500, Stan Brown <the_sta...@fastmail.fm>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:23:05 -0500, Jared wrote:
>>>
>>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
>>> article below.
>>>
>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting-because-their-kettle-flex-was-too-long.html
>>
>>The first two hits in Google for "kettle flex" were the article you
>>cited. The third was this one, from the (US) National Institutes of
>>Health:
>>
>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4092156
>>
>>Scroll down and you'll see from context that a "kettle flex" is the
>>power cord of a standalone electric tea kettle (as opposed to one
>>that is heated on top of the stove).
>
>Does that mean it's already AmE and needs no translation?
No, we don't use the term "flex" to describe an appliance power cord.
<haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:01:46 -0500, Stan Brown <the_sta...@fastmail.fm>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:23:05 -0500, Jared wrote:
>>>
>>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
>>> article below.
>>>
>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting-because-their-kettle-flex-was-too-long.html
>>
>>The first two hits in Google for "kettle flex" were the article you
>>cited. The third was this one, from the (US) National Institutes of
>>Health:
>>
>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4092156
>>
>>Scroll down and you'll see from context that a "kettle flex" is the
>>power cord of a standalone electric tea kettle (as opposed to one
>>that is heated on top of the stove).
>
>Does that mean it's already AmE and needs no translation?
We do have flex pipe, which is a plumbing connection pipe, and flex
conduit pipe that covers electrical house wiring.
"Flex" would not be an unknown term to an American who reads books by
British authors, but it is not a term we use that way.
R H Draney
Mar 4, 2012, 12:31:34 AM3/4/12
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Steve Hayes filted:
kettles....r
--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.
>
>On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:01:46 -0500, Stan Brown <the_sta...@fastmail.fm>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:23:05 -0500, Jared wrote:
>>>
>>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
>>> article below.
>>
>On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:01:46 -0500, Stan Brown <the_sta...@fastmail.fm>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:23:05 -0500, Jared wrote:
>>>
>>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
>>> article below.
>>
>>Scroll down and you'll see from context that a "kettle flex" is the
>>power cord of a standalone electric tea kettle (as opposed to one
>>that is heated on top of the stove).
>
>Does that mean it's already AmE and needs no translation?
No, it means it's untranslatable because Americans don't have electric
>>power cord of a standalone electric tea kettle (as opposed to one
>>that is heated on top of the stove).
>
>Does that mean it's already AmE and needs no translation?
kettles....r
--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.
Jeff Urs
Mar 4, 2012, 1:07:47 AM3/4/12
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On Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:31:34 AM UTC-5, R H Draney wrote:
> No, it means it's untranslatable because Americans don't have electric
> kettles....r
Actually, we do. At least, there's a device sitting on my Kentucky kitchen
> No, it means it's untranslatable because Americans don't have electric
> kettles....r
counter with the words "Electric Kettle" embossed on its base.
--
Jeff
Peter Brooks
Mar 4, 2012, 1:21:26 AM3/4/12
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On Mar 4, 5:01 am, Stan Brown <the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:23:05 -0500, Jared wrote:
>
> > Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
> > article below.
>
> >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting...
> On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:23:05 -0500, Jared wrote:
>
> > Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
> > article below.
>
>
> The first two hits in Google for "kettle flex" were the article you
> cited. The third was this one, from the (US) National Institutes of
> Health:
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4092156
>
> Scroll down and you'll see from context that a "kettle flex" is the
> power cord of a standalone electric tea kettle (as opposed to one
> that is heated on top of the stove).
>
Kettles that are heated over fires don't, and shouldn't, have flexes
> The first two hits in Google for "kettle flex" were the article you
> cited. The third was this one, from the (US) National Institutes of
> Health:
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4092156
>
> Scroll down and you'll see from context that a "kettle flex" is the
> power cord of a standalone electric tea kettle (as opposed to one
> that is heated on top of the stove).
>
either. Nor would the optimist's travel companion, a solar kettle,
have one.
Presumably, in, at least Japan or Korea, you can get electric fish
kettles that do have flexes (electric eel kettles [longer and thinner,
I'd expect, and non-metallic] might, or might not, have flexes).
micky
Mar 4, 2012, 2:00:08 AM3/4/12
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can't walk. That's why they won't let the kids be adopted until they
are 2 1/2 years old. Or really 2 1/2 years older than when they
became parentless. Much too long a time. If the kettle were some
exceptional situation in a system that worked well, I'd figure they
were right, but unless British prospective parents are a bunch of
incompetents, I'd say it's the system.
There has been a lot of this delay in the USA too, but I think a lot
of states have been fixing it over the past decade.
.
>
>===
>= DUG.
>===
micky
Mar 4, 2012, 2:14:27 AM3/4/12
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otherwise, flex as a noun is unknown.
BTW, I have USA friends who adopted a daughter at age 2 from
Nicaraugua, when it had iirc a communist leaning government. They
wouldn't let healthy children be adopted out of the country at all,
but this girl had 2 club feet. The cost of correcting them was about
the cost of adopting in the USA, $10,000 25 years ago. But Nicaragua
also wanted a home report, which cost them about 1000 or 2000. A
social worker in NYC viisted their home and assessed it. I don't know
if she made surprise viisits, or how many visits, maybe only one, and
it took about a month. The wife had been done there on her vacations
(her sabbatical was in communist china. She's a quaker, but I don't
know how it all fits together. She's never done anything radicatl that
I know of, in the last 35 years. And they insisted that the husband
come down to Nicaragua too, to pick up the child. I guess if he had
two heads, or was drunk, they would have rejected them. She had
raised four children, coulndn't have any more, but her husband, 10
years younger than she, had none. None of the children were still at
home when the social worker made her visits, so there wasn't much to
see. Their home always looks neat and tidy to me, so maybe that's how
they judge.
Another firend adopted two chidren from Chile. When one was ready, he
and his wife flew down there, and when they woke up in the hotel the
morning of the appt. they looked out the windows and there were tanks
in the street, something to do with a revolution. But they went to
their appointment as scheduled, and got the baby that day. They were
smart enough to bring a few thousand dolllars in cash to grease the
wheels if necessary, and when it wasn't necessary, they offered a
couple thousand to the moher anyhow. The social worker said that she
had gone back to some other part of Chile, not the capital where they
were, and didn't need the money anyhow because she had a job and her
own apartment, and she refused the money.
Another friend adopted one baby from Chile and the next time they used
a testtube to make their own baby with no donors, just the husband and
wife. They're beautiful kids. .
R H Draney
Mar 4, 2012, 4:10:21 AM3/4/12
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Jeff Urs filted:
I speak in general terms, of course...I have one myself, in the bathroom, for
heating small quantities of water to the boiling point so I can shave with a
really hot blade....
I've recently discovered that a kettleful of the stuff at a time is good for
keeping the shower drain flowing....r
heating small quantities of water to the boiling point so I can shave with a
really hot blade....
I've recently discovered that a kettleful of the stuff at a time is good for
keeping the shower drain flowing....r
annily
Mar 4, 2012, 5:11:39 AM3/4/12
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On 04.03.12 15:23, tony cooper wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 06:41:47 +0200, Steve Hayes
> <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:01:46 -0500, Stan Brown<the_sta...@fastmail.fm>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:23:05 -0500, Jared wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
>>>> article below.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting-because-their-kettle-flex-was-too-long.html
>>>
>>> The first two hits in Google for "kettle flex" were the article you
>>> cited. The third was this one, from the (US) National Institutes of
>>> Health:
>>>
>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4092156
>>>
>>> Scroll down and you'll see from context that a "kettle flex" is the
>>> power cord of a standalone electric tea kettle (as opposed to one
>>> that is heated on top of the stove).
>>
>> Does that mean it's already AmE and needs no translation?
>
> No, we don't use the term "flex" to describe an appliance power cord.
Neither do we in Australia, but it was pretty obvious to me what it meant.
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 06:41:47 +0200, Steve Hayes
> <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:01:46 -0500, Stan Brown<the_sta...@fastmail.fm>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:23:05 -0500, Jared wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
>>>> article below.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting-because-their-kettle-flex-was-too-long.html
>>>
>>> The first two hits in Google for "kettle flex" were the article you
>>> cited. The third was this one, from the (US) National Institutes of
>>> Health:
>>>
>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4092156
>>>
>>> Scroll down and you'll see from context that a "kettle flex" is the
>>> power cord of a standalone electric tea kettle (as opposed to one
>>> that is heated on top of the stove).
>>
>> Does that mean it's already AmE and needs no translation?
>
> No, we don't use the term "flex" to describe an appliance power cord.
LFS
Mar 4, 2012, 5:13:16 AM3/4/12
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drain before the water.
--
Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Mar 4, 2012, 5:29:15 AM3/4/12
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On 2012-03-04 09:10:21 +0000, R H Draney said:
> Jeff Urs filted:
>>
>> On Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:31:34 AM UTC-5, R H Draney wrote:
>>> No, it means it's untranslatable because Americans don't have electric
>>> kettles....r
>>
>> Actually, we do. At least, there's a device sitting on my Kentucky kitchen
>> counter with the words "Electric Kettle" embossed on its base.
>
> I speak in general terms, of course...I have one myself, in the bathroom, for
> heating small quantities of water to the boiling point so I can shave with a
> really hot blade....
There is a cultural point there as well. In the UK (WIWAL, anyway) you
> Jeff Urs filted:
>>
>> On Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:31:34 AM UTC-5, R H Draney wrote:
>>> No, it means it's untranslatable because Americans don't have electric
>>> kettles....r
>>
>> Actually, we do. At least, there's a device sitting on my Kentucky kitchen
>> counter with the words "Electric Kettle" embossed on its base.
>
> I speak in general terms, of course...I have one myself, in the bathroom, for
> heating small quantities of water to the boiling point so I can shave with a
> really hot blade....
were not supposed to have electrical outlets in the bathroom, and the
light switch had to be one that worked by pulling on a cord (in the BrE
sense, not the AmE sense -- no electrical power went through the cord).
In France, on the other hand, the only earthed outlets that existed in
our apartment when we arived were in the bathroom and kitchen (there
are more now, but only because we had them installed).
--
athel
Peter Brooks
Mar 4, 2012, 5:41:08 AM3/4/12
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Jared
Mar 4, 2012, 5:42:51 AM3/4/12
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--
Jared
Leslie Danks
Mar 4, 2012, 5:56:18 AM3/4/12
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suppose it's got to be good for something.
--
Les
(BrE)
LFS
Mar 4, 2012, 6:10:45 AM3/4/12
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On 04/03/2012 10:56, Leslie Danks wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 10:13:16 +0000, LFS wrote:
>
>> On 04/03/2012 09:10, R H Draney wrote:
>>> Jeff Urs filted:
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:31:34 AM UTC-5, R H Draney wrote:
>>>>> No, it means it's untranslatable because Americans don't have
>>>>> electric kettles....r
>>>>
>>>> Actually, we do. At least, there's a device sitting on my Kentucky
>>>> kitchen counter with the words "Electric Kettle" embossed on its base.
>>>
>>> I speak in general terms, of course...I have one myself, in the
>>> bathroom, for heating small quantities of water to the boiling point so someone
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 10:13:16 +0000, LFS wrote:
>
>> On 04/03/2012 09:10, R H Draney wrote:
>>> Jeff Urs filted:
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:31:34 AM UTC-5, R H Draney wrote:
>>>>> No, it means it's untranslatable because Americans don't have
>>>>> electric kettles....r
>>>>
>>>> Actually, we do. At least, there's a device sitting on my Kentucky
>>>> kitchen counter with the words "Electric Kettle" embossed on its base.
>>>
>>> I speak in general terms, of course...I have one myself, in the
>>> I can shave with a really hot blade....
>>>
>>> I've recently discovered that a kettleful of the stuff at a time is
>>> good for keeping the shower drain flowing....r
>>>
>>>
>> Even more effective if you add a handful of washing soda crystals to the
>> drain before the water.
>
> Coca-Cola is also supposed to be good for clearing blocked drains. I
> suppose it's got to be good for something.
>
I have never drunk it since I was shown what it did to a grubby coin
>>>
>>> I've recently discovered that a kettleful of the stuff at a time is
>>> good for keeping the shower drain flowing....r
>>>
>>>
>> Even more effective if you add a handful of washing soda crystals to the
>> drain before the water.
>
> Coca-Cola is also supposed to be good for clearing blocked drains. I
> suppose it's got to be good for something.
>
immersed in it.
Mike Barnes
Mar 4, 2012, 6:18:04 AM3/4/12
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Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com>:
cable that is used for fixed wiring.
Conversely, in the UK a cord is a length of string and does not conduct
electricity.
--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
>On Mar 3, 6:23 pm, Jared <jared4...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
>> article below.
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting...
>
>I believe "flex" is electrical cord.
Yes, flex is flexible cable, as opposed to the (relatively) inflexible
>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
>> article below.
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting...
>
>I believe "flex" is electrical cord.
cable that is used for fixed wiring.
Conversely, in the UK a cord is a length of string and does not conduct
electricity.
--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
the Omrud
Mar 4, 2012, 6:32:04 AM3/4/12
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--
David
Leslie Danks
Mar 4, 2012, 6:57:40 AM3/4/12
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(purchasable in the local supermarket) to be the bee's knees for de-
liming. The only problem it gave was when SWMBO mistook it for sugar when
making an apple pie: edible, but rather lemony.
--
Les
(BrE)
Duggy
Mar 4, 2012, 7:21:38 AM3/4/12
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On Mar 4, 5:00 pm, micky <NONONOmis...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 18:22:21 -0800 (PST), Duggy
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 18:22:21 -0800 (PST), Duggy
> >The rule makes sense: they were stopped from adopting until they made
> >the house child safe.
> >If they can't afford a new kettle a child may be too much of a burden
> >for them.
> OF course they didn't actually have the kid yet,
That's the point. They were told the house was unsafe and they
> >the house child safe.
> >If they can't afford a new kettle a child may be too much of a burden
> >for them.
> OF course they didn't actually have the kid yet,
couldn't adopt until it was.
Easy fix.
> If the kettle were some
> exceptional situation in a system that worked well, I'd figure they
> were right,
===
= DUG.
===
Duggy
Mar 4, 2012, 7:22:12 AM3/4/12
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On Mar 4, 8:11 pm, annily <ann...@annily.invalid> wrote:
> On 04.03.12 15:23, tony cooper wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 06:41:47 +0200, Steve Hayes
> > <hayes...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On 04.03.12 15:23, tony cooper wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 06:41:47 +0200, Steve Hayes
>
> >> On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:01:46 -0500, Stan Brown<the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:23:05 -0500, Jared wrote:
>
> >>>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
> >>>> article below.
>
> >>>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting...
>
> >>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:23:05 -0500, Jared wrote:
>
> >>>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
> >>>> article below.
>
>
> >>> The first two hits in Google for "kettle flex" were the article you
> >>> cited. The third was this one, from the (US) National Institutes of
> >>> Health:
>
> >>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4092156
>
> >>> Scroll down and you'll see from context that a "kettle flex" is the
> >>> power cord of a standalone electric tea kettle (as opposed to one
> >>> that is heated on top of the stove).
>
> >> Does that mean it's already AmE and needs no translation?
>
> > No, we don't use the term "flex" to describe an appliance power cord.
>
> Neither do we in Australia, but it was pretty obvious to me what it meant.
Ditto.
> >>> The first two hits in Google for "kettle flex" were the article you
> >>> cited. The third was this one, from the (US) National Institutes of
> >>> Health:
>
> >>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4092156
>
> >>> Scroll down and you'll see from context that a "kettle flex" is the
> >>> power cord of a standalone electric tea kettle (as opposed to one
> >>> that is heated on top of the stove).
>
> >> Does that mean it's already AmE and needs no translation?
>
> > No, we don't use the term "flex" to describe an appliance power cord.
>
> Neither do we in Australia, but it was pretty obvious to me what it meant.
===
= DUG.
===
Cheryl
Mar 4, 2012, 7:55:48 AM3/4/12
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particular rule, it would seem that unless they were adopting a child
big enough to pull at the cord and not big enough to know better, there
was hardly a need to prevent them from adopting, which is what the
article said. Point out the hazard, sure. If they were planning on
adopting a child of an age to be at risk from this particular danger, do
another check later to see if the hazard had been eliminated, sure.
--
Cheryl
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
Mar 4, 2012, 8:00:40 AM3/4/12
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On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:01:46 -0500, Stan Brown
<the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:23:05 -0500, Jared wrote:
>>
>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
>> article below.
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting-because-their-kettle-flex-was-too-long.html
>
>The first two hits in Google for "kettle flex" were the article you
>cited. The third was this one, from the (US) National Institutes of
>Health:
>
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4092156
>
>Scroll down and you'll see from context that a "kettle flex" is the
>power cord of a standalone electric tea kettle (as opposed to one
>that is heated on top of the stove).
I'm slightly surprised at the use of "flex" in a BrE context. When I
>On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:23:05 -0500, Jared wrote:
>>
>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
>> article below.
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting-because-their-kettle-flex-was-too-long.html
>
>The first two hits in Google for "kettle flex" were the article you
>cited. The third was this one, from the (US) National Institutes of
>Health:
>
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4092156
>
>Scroll down and you'll see from context that a "kettle flex" is the
>power cord of a standalone electric tea kettle (as opposed to one
>that is heated on top of the stove).
first heard the word it referred to a twisted pair (or triple) of
rubber-insulated conductors with each insulated conductor covered with
woven fabric.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=190646981283
In my experience when plastic insulation and outer covering began to be
used the words "wire" and "cable" began to take over from "flex".
Clearly the takeover has not been complete. The word "cord" immigrated
from AmE and seems to be universal in the descriptions of appliances on
UK retail websites today.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
LFS
Mar 4, 2012, 8:01:45 AM3/4/12
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equivalent to cans of Coke. Do you?
the Omrud
Mar 4, 2012, 8:41:39 AM3/4/12
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Coke and I quite like the phosphoric acid burn, but I probably only
drink it a few times a year.
--
David
LFS
Mar 4, 2012, 8:47:56 AM3/4/12
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prosecco, the next best thing.
James Silverton
Mar 4, 2012, 9:40:32 AM3/4/12
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--
Jim Silverton
Extraneous "not" in Reply To.
tony cooper
Mar 4, 2012, 10:02:59 AM3/4/12
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Duggy
Mar 4, 2012, 7:24:15 AM3/4/12
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===
= DUG.
===
tony cooper
Mar 4, 2012, 10:23:41 AM3/4/12
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own usage, "cord" is thicker and stronger than string but not as thick
and strong as rope. I use cord to tie down a tarp on my utility
trailer when I take yard clippings to the dump. (A covered trailer is
required)
Steve Hayes
Mar 4, 2012, 10:31:24 AM3/4/12
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 05:42:51 -0500, Jared <jare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 3/4/2012 12:31 AM, R H Draney wrote:
>> Steve Hayes filted:
>On 3/4/2012 12:31 AM, R H Draney wrote:
>> Steve Hayes filted:
>>> Does that mean it's already AmE and needs no translation?
>>
>> No, it means it's untranslatable because Americans don't have electric
>> kettles....r
>>
>>
>
>Does that mean they don't have stoves in the UK?
They don't have stoves in the UK, they have cookers.
>>
>> No, it means it's untranslatable because Americans don't have electric
>> kettles....r
>>
>>
>
>Does that mean they don't have stoves in the UK?
But we have stoves *and* electric kettles.
We have a stove-top kettle too, to use if the electric kettle is broken, but
we only use it in emergencies because it takes too long and is inefficient,
thus costing more.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Steve Hayes
Mar 4, 2012, 10:45:08 AM3/4/12
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 13:00:40 +0000, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)"
<ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:01:46 -0500, Stan Brown
><the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:23:05 -0500, Jared wrote:
>>>
>>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
>>> article below.
>>>
>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting-because-their-kettle-flex-was-too-long.html
>>
>>The first two hits in Google for "kettle flex" were the article you
>>cited. The third was this one, from the (US) National Institutes of
>>Health:
>>
>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4092156
>>
>>Scroll down and you'll see from context that a "kettle flex" is the
>>power cord of a standalone electric tea kettle (as opposed to one
>>that is heated on top of the stove).
>
>I'm slightly surprised at the use of "flex" in a BrE context. When I
>first heard the word it referred to a twisted pair (or triple) of
>rubber-insulated conductors with each insulated conductor covered with
>woven fabric.
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=190646981283
Yes, my image of "flex" is the same, and includes a naked lightbulb with a
<ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:01:46 -0500, Stan Brown
><the_sta...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:23:05 -0500, Jared wrote:
>>>
>>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
>>> article below.
>>>
>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting-because-their-kettle-flex-was-too-long.html
>>
>>The first two hits in Google for "kettle flex" were the article you
>>cited. The third was this one, from the (US) National Institutes of
>>Health:
>>
>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4092156
>>
>>Scroll down and you'll see from context that a "kettle flex" is the
>>power cord of a standalone electric tea kettle (as opposed to one
>>that is heated on top of the stove).
>
>I'm slightly surprised at the use of "flex" in a BrE context. When I
>first heard the word it referred to a twisted pair (or triple) of
>rubber-insulated conductors with each insulated conductor covered with
>woven fabric.
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=190646981283
conical shade hanging from the ceiling, and a looped cord with a counterweight
like this:
http://remodelista.com/img/sub/product_image_jadelight.jpg
>In my experience when plastic insulation and outer covering began to be
>used the words "wire" and "cable" began to take over from "flex".
>Clearly the takeover has not been complete. The word "cord" immigrated
>from AmE and seems to be universal in the descriptions of appliances on
>UK retail websites today.
And "kettle cord" is used to describe the power cords used not only for
kettles, but mixers, blenders, computers, printers and numerous other gadgets
that need to be plugged in.
R H Draney
Mar 4, 2012, 2:49:29 PM3/4/12
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Steve Hayes filted:
>
>On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 05:42:51 -0500, Jared <jare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Does that mean they don't have stoves in the UK?
>
>They don't have stoves in the UK, they have cookers.
And something called "hobs"....r
>On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 05:42:51 -0500, Jared <jare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Does that mean they don't have stoves in the UK?
>
>They don't have stoves in the UK, they have cookers.
jgharston
Mar 4, 2012, 3:08:42 PM3/4/12
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Peter Duncanson wrote:
> In my experience when plastic insulation and outer covering began to be
> used the words "wire" and "cable" began to take over from "flex".
"wire" is a single conductor
> In my experience when plastic insulation and outer covering began to be
> used the words "wire" and "cable" began to take over from "flex".
"cable" is one or more conductors in a common sheath
"flex" is flexible cable.
Portable appliances are required to be connected with flexible cable.
Fixed applicances are required to be connected with nonflexible cable.
Connections between a fixed power outlet and a pixed appliance is
required to be made with flexible or nonflexible cable of the
required current carrying capacity and environmental resistance.
(IEE On-site Guide, 16th Ed)
(yeh, proper english is current-carrying capacity, but it's a
technical term)
Pointing at the power leads draped across the floor and saying
"don't trip over the wires" is incorrect. If the wires are
visible, the leads must be destroyed and replaced.
JGH
Pablo
Mar 4, 2012, 3:12:02 PM3/4/12
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Peter Duncanson (BrE) escribió:
>
> In my experience when plastic insulation and outer covering began to be
> used the words "wire" and "cable" began to take over from "flex".
I always say "lead". Power lead or kettle lead (which these days, are often
the same thing in the UK and Europe - not that one can easily buy a kettle
outside of the UK).
--
Pablo
>
> In my experience when plastic insulation and outer covering began to be
> used the words "wire" and "cable" began to take over from "flex".
the same thing in the UK and Europe - not that one can easily buy a kettle
outside of the UK).
--
Pablo
Duggy
Mar 4, 2012, 3:26:25 PM3/4/12
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On Mar 4, 10:55 pm, Cheryl <cperk...@mun.ca> wrote:
> Yeah, but the definition of 'child safe' keeps changing,
It didn't say "child safe" it mentioned standardised rules.
> Yeah, but the definition of 'child safe' keeps changing,
> and for this
> particular rule, it would seem that unless they were adopting a child
> big enough to pull at the cord and not big enough to know better, there
> was hardly a need to prevent them from adopting,
But the rule in place to stop:
Adults getting caught an pulling them (onto children)
Higher chances of getting caught and fraying.
Higher chances of ending up touching hotplate or stove.
> Point out the hazard, sure.
> If they were planning on
> adopting a child of an age to be at risk from this particular danger, do
> another check later to see if the hazard had been eliminated, sure.
Advise to eliminate the hazard before they can adopt. Notice "until".
===
= DUG.
===
jgharston
Mar 4, 2012, 3:00:16 PM3/4/12
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R H Draney wrote:
> No, it means it's untranslatable because Americans don't have electric
> kettles....r
In Asimov's /End of Eternity/, the Eternals travel between different
> No, it means it's untranslatable because Americans don't have electric
> kettles....r
timeframes in "kettles". Whenever I read it I can't stop myself
seeing them getting into a soot-blackened cylindrical container
with a spout and handle.
http://siberianlight.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/kettle.gif
JGH
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
Mar 4, 2012, 5:08:30 PM3/4/12
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:31:24 +0200, Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net>
wrote:
>On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 05:42:51 -0500, Jared <jare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 3/4/2012 12:31 AM, R H Draney wrote:
>>> Steve Hayes filted:
>>>> Does that mean it's already AmE and needs no translation?
>>>
>>> No, it means it's untranslatable because Americans don't have electric
>>> kettles....r
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Does that mean they don't have stoves in the UK?
>
>They don't have stoves in the UK, they have cookers.
>
We used to have stoves in our kitches when the gas stove reigned supreme
before the coming of the electric cooker.
We still have a different type of stove: an enclosed fire for heating a
room.
http://tinyurl.com/86ev9r3
There are also portable stoves for cooking when camping.
http://www.base-camp.co.uk/pictures/Manaslu/Base%20Camp%20Stove.jpg
http://cdn.gooutdoors.co.uk/Products/158952_5032307673439891847858.jpg
>But we have stoves *and* electric kettles.
>
>We have a stove-top kettle too, to use if the electric kettle is broken, but
>we only use it in emergencies because it takes too long and is inefficient,
>thus costing more.
--
wrote:
>On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 05:42:51 -0500, Jared <jare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 3/4/2012 12:31 AM, R H Draney wrote:
>>> Steve Hayes filted:
>>>> Does that mean it's already AmE and needs no translation?
>>>
>>> No, it means it's untranslatable because Americans don't have electric
>>> kettles....r
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Does that mean they don't have stoves in the UK?
>
>They don't have stoves in the UK, they have cookers.
>
before the coming of the electric cooker.
We still have a different type of stove: an enclosed fire for heating a
room.
http://tinyurl.com/86ev9r3
There are also portable stoves for cooking when camping.
http://www.base-camp.co.uk/pictures/Manaslu/Base%20Camp%20Stove.jpg
http://cdn.gooutdoors.co.uk/Products/158952_5032307673439891847858.jpg
>But we have stoves *and* electric kettles.
>
>We have a stove-top kettle too, to use if the electric kettle is broken, but
>we only use it in emergencies because it takes too long and is inefficient,
>thus costing more.
--
James Silverton
Mar 4, 2012, 5:10:08 PM3/4/12
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"Hob" is a similar term; very British English. I've seen kettles in the
sense of water boilers in the US, including cordless varieties.
Peter Brooks
Mar 4, 2012, 5:17:07 PM3/4/12
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the kettle on, you're not going to manage the rest of the process.
R H Draney
Mar 4, 2012, 5:21:16 PM3/4/12
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Peter Brooks filted:
here in Phoenix of which you may have heard rumors...it's called the sun....r
>
>On Mar 5, 12:10=A0am, James Silverton <jim.silver...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> "Flex" is a British English term that I haven't heard used in the US.
>> "Hob" is a similar term; very British English. I've seen kettles in the
>> sense of water boilers in the US, including cordless varieties.
>>
>I suppose it explains why they can't make tea - if you can't even put
>the kettle on, you're not going to manage the rest of the process.
I'm about to make some tea...fortunately we have a little brewing innovation
>On Mar 5, 12:10=A0am, James Silverton <jim.silver...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> "Flex" is a British English term that I haven't heard used in the US.
>> "Hob" is a similar term; very British English. I've seen kettles in the
>> sense of water boilers in the US, including cordless varieties.
>>
>I suppose it explains why they can't make tea - if you can't even put
>the kettle on, you're not going to manage the rest of the process.
here in Phoenix of which you may have heard rumors...it's called the sun....r
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
Mar 4, 2012, 5:24:12 PM3/4/12
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use of the words.
Anyhow, the technical use of "cable" (as you explained above) is a long
stretch from the original meaning of the word.
In increasing thickness: string, cord, rope cable.
OED:
cable, n.
1.
a. A strong thick rope, originally of hemp or other fibre, now also
of strands of iron wire.
Originally a stout rope of any thickness, but now, in nautical
use, a cable (of hemp, jute, etc.) is 10 inches in circumference
and upwards; ropes of less thickness being called cablets or
hawsers. In other than nautical use (see 2), rope is commonly used
when the material is hemp or fibre (as in the 'rope' by which a
train is drawn up an incline), and cable when the material is
wire.
c1275 (1200)...
2.
a. spec. (Naut.) The strong thick rope to which a ship's anchor is
fastened; and by transference, anything used for the same purpose,
as a chain of iron links ( chain cable).
'Stream-cable, a hawser or rope something smaller than the bower,
used to move or hold the ship temporarily during a calm in a river
or haven, sheltered from the wind and sea, etc.' (Smyth Sailor's
Word-bk.)
c1400 (1380)...
and hundreds of years later:
3. Telegr.
a. A rope-like line used for submarine telegraphs, containing the
wires along which the electric current passes, embedded in gutta
percha or other insulating substance, and encased in an external
sheathing of strong wire strands, resembling the wire cable of sense
1.
1852 Leisure Hour Sept. 591 Complimentary messages were
transmitted by means of the cable through the waters to Dover.
1854 Brett Specif. Patent 10,939 . 21 This said cable or rope I
denominate my Oceanic Line.
1855 Wheatstone Roy. Soc. Proc. VII. 328 Experiments made with
the submarine cable of the Mediterranean Electric Telegraph.
It is tempting to speculate that those were nicknamed "cables" by the
sailors on the ships that laid them, and that the name stuck,
We seem to have gone full circle wordwise. The original "cable" was a
fibre rope. We now communicate via (optical) fibre cables.
Peter Brooks
Mar 4, 2012, 5:44:19 PM3/4/12
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for green tea and white tea, but I can't say the same for black tea -
though it is, I suppose, a matter of taste.
I've never tried oolong that way.
Robert Bannister
Mar 4, 2012, 6:24:15 PM3/4/12
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On 4/03/12 6:11 PM, annily wrote:
> On 04.03.12 15:23, tony cooper wrote:
(or occasionally 3) wire twisted power cord that seemed to be covered
with a cloth-like substances rather than rubber. I don't think I've seen
that kind of power cord for a very long time.
--
Robert Bannister
England 1940-71
Australia 1972-present
> On 04.03.12 15:23, tony cooper wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 06:41:47 +0200, Steve Hayes
>> <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:01:46 -0500, Stan
>>> Brown<the_sta...@fastmail.fm>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:23:05 -0500, Jared wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
>>>>> article below.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting-because-their-kettle-flex-was-too-long.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The first two hits in Google for "kettle flex" were the article you
>>>> cited. The third was this one, from the (US) National Institutes of
>>>> Health:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4092156
>>>>
>>>> Scroll down and you'll see from context that a "kettle flex" is the
>>>> power cord of a standalone electric tea kettle (as opposed to one
>>>> that is heated on top of the stove).
>>>
>> <haye...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:01:46 -0500, Stan
>>> Brown<the_sta...@fastmail.fm>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:23:05 -0500, Jared wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
>>>>> article below.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting-because-their-kettle-flex-was-too-long.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The first two hits in Google for "kettle flex" were the article you
>>>> cited. The third was this one, from the (US) National Institutes of
>>>> Health:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4092156
>>>>
>>>> Scroll down and you'll see from context that a "kettle flex" is the
>>>> power cord of a standalone electric tea kettle (as opposed to one
>>>> that is heated on top of the stove).
>>>
>>> Does that mean it's already AmE and needs no translation?
>>
>>
>> No, we don't use the term "flex" to describe an appliance power cord.
>
> Neither do we in Australia, but it was pretty obvious to me what it meant.
Apart from anything else, the word "flex" conjures up in my mind at 2
>
> Neither do we in Australia, but it was pretty obvious to me what it meant.
(or occasionally 3) wire twisted power cord that seemed to be covered
with a cloth-like substances rather than rubber. I don't think I've seen
that kind of power cord for a very long time.
--
Robert Bannister
England 1940-71
Australia 1972-present
Robert Bannister
Mar 4, 2012, 6:32:16 PM3/4/12
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On 5/03/12 4:12 AM, Pablo wrote:
> Peter Duncanson (BrE) escribió:
>
>>
>> In my experience when plastic insulation and outer covering began to be
>> used the words "wire" and "cable" began to take over from "flex".
>
>
> I always say "lead".
Plug the dog in.
> Peter Duncanson (BrE) escribió:
>
>>
>> In my experience when plastic insulation and outer covering began to be
>> used the words "wire" and "cable" began to take over from "flex".
>
>
> I always say "lead".
--
Robert Bannister
R H Draney
Mar 4, 2012, 6:36:19 PM3/4/12
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Peter Brooks filted:
>
>On Mar 5, 12:21=A0am, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'm about to make some tea...fortunately we have a little brewing innovat=
>ion
>> here in Phoenix of which you may have heard rumors...it's called the sun.=
containing "black tea, rind of oranges, sweet spice, natural flavor"...when I
lived in the Seattle area, we drank it hot with enough sugar to risk turning it
to syrup...some years ago it occurred to me to try it iced and I've never looked
back....r
>
>On Mar 5, 12:21=A0am, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'm about to make some tea...fortunately we have a little brewing innovat=
>ion
>> here in Phoenix of which you may have heard rumors...it's called the sun.=
>...r
>>
>I'm quite keen on sun tea - or, rather, slow infusions. They work well
>for green tea and white tea, but I can't say the same for black tea -
>though it is, I suppose, a matter of taste.
>
>I've never tried oolong that way.
My favorite is "Constant Comment", which Bigelow's website describes as
>>
>I'm quite keen on sun tea - or, rather, slow infusions. They work well
>for green tea and white tea, but I can't say the same for black tea -
>though it is, I suppose, a matter of taste.
>
>I've never tried oolong that way.
containing "black tea, rind of oranges, sweet spice, natural flavor"...when I
lived in the Seattle area, we drank it hot with enough sugar to risk turning it
to syrup...some years ago it occurred to me to try it iced and I've never looked
back....r
annily
Mar 4, 2012, 9:26:48 PM3/4/12
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Steve Hayes
Mar 4, 2012, 10:25:37 PM3/4/12
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:12:02 +0100, Pablo <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>I always say "lead". Power lead or kettle lead (which these days, are often
>the same thing in the UK and Europe - not that one can easily buy a kettle
>outside of the UK).
I have no difficulty in buying kettles here.
>I always say "lead". Power lead or kettle lead (which these days, are often
>the same thing in the UK and Europe - not that one can easily buy a kettle
>outside of the UK).
Jared
Mar 4, 2012, 11:40:21 PM3/4/12
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proof" latches was the normal approach to the hazards when I was little.
But then, that was in the 70s, and I wasn't adopted, nor in the UK.
Which is why I had no idea what the article was talking about.
--
Jared
Peter Brooks
Mar 4, 2012, 11:59:57 PM3/4/12
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On Mar 5, 5:25 am, Steve Hayes <hayes...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:12:02 +0100, Pablo <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> >I always say "lead". Power lead or kettle lead (which these days, are often
> >the same thing in the UK and Europe - not that one can easily buy a kettle
> >outside of the UK).
>
> I have no difficulty in buying kettles here.
>
I had a difficulty with a kettle here a couple of months ago. The flex
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:12:02 +0100, Pablo <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> >I always say "lead". Power lead or kettle lead (which these days, are often
> >the same thing in the UK and Europe - not that one can easily buy a kettle
> >outside of the UK).
>
> I have no difficulty in buying kettles here.
>
was much too short, making it dangerously easy to scald yourself. I
have had to replace it with a cordless (flex-free) kettle that works
really well - it's a space-age (if you can still use that old
fashioned phrase to mean something new) made of glass (an insulator,
so a sound choice) with blue LEDs to help you see the bubbles that
form as it comes to boil. I even saw one of them in a film recently.
John Holmes
Mar 5, 2012, 12:13:32 AM3/5/12
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--
Regards
John
for mail: my initials plus a u e
at tpg dot com dot au
Steve Hayes
Mar 5, 2012, 12:50:27 AM3/5/12
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:59:57 -0800 (PST), Peter Brooks
<peter.h....@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mar 5, 5:25 am, Steve Hayes <hayes...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:12:02 +0100, Pablo <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>> >I always say "lead". Power lead or kettle lead (which these days, are often
>> >the same thing in the UK and Europe - not that one can easily buy a kettle
>> >outside of the UK).
>>
>> I have no difficulty in buying kettles here.
>>
>I had a difficulty with a kettle here a couple of months ago. The flex
>was much too short, making it dangerously easy to scald yourself.
Perhaps it was specially designed to make it easy to adopt children.
<peter.h....@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mar 5, 5:25 am, Steve Hayes <hayes...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:12:02 +0100, Pablo <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>> >I always say "lead". Power lead or kettle lead (which these days, are often
>> >the same thing in the UK and Europe - not that one can easily buy a kettle
>> >outside of the UK).
>>
>> I have no difficulty in buying kettles here.
>>
>I had a difficulty with a kettle here a couple of months ago. The flex
>was much too short, making it dangerously easy to scald yourself.
> I
>have had to replace it with a cordless (flex-free) kettle that works
>really well - it's a space-age (if you can still use that old
>fashioned phrase to mean something new) made of glass (an insulator,
>so a sound choice) with blue LEDs to help you see the bubbles that
>form as it comes to boil. I even saw one of them in a film recently.
pick up the kettle without the cord attached to it.
And City Press yesterday had an ad for an ordinary stove-top enamel kettle
that cost over R600. Oh, it did have one of those whistle things in the spout
to tell you it was boiling.
Mike Barnes
Mar 5, 2012, 2:14:24 AM3/5/12
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Mike Barnes <mikeb...@bluebottle.com>:
>Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com>:
we don't call a "cord". That's the way the biscuit crumbles.
--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
>Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com>:
>>On Mar 3, 6:23 pm, Jared <jared4...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
>>> article below.
>>>
>>> Can someone translate this to AmE? I didn't find any hints in the
>>> article below.
>>>
>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/9100953/Couple-banned-from-adopting...
>>
>>I believe "flex" is electrical cord.
>
>Yes, flex is flexible cable, as opposed to the (relatively) inflexible
>cable that is used for fixed wiring.
>
>Conversely, in the UK a cord is a length of string and does not conduct
>electricity.
But, I realise, we do say "cordless" for an object that lacks something
>>
>>I believe "flex" is electrical cord.
>
>Yes, flex is flexible cable, as opposed to the (relatively) inflexible
>cable that is used for fixed wiring.
>
>Conversely, in the UK a cord is a length of string and does not conduct
>electricity.
we don't call a "cord". That's the way the biscuit crumbles.
--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England
Duggy
Mar 5, 2012, 3:55:58 AM3/5/12
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On Mar 5, 5:14 pm, Mike Barnes <mikebar...@bluebottle.com> wrote:
> But, I realise, we do say "cordless" for an object that lacks something
> we don't call a "cord". That's the way the biscuit crumbles.
In Australia with call it a cord. And a cordless phone has one.
> But, I realise, we do say "cordless" for an object that lacks something
> we don't call a "cord". That's the way the biscuit crumbles.
I work in a telco call centre, and have been assured many, many times
"yeah, it has a cord".
===
= DUG.
===
James Hogg
Mar 5, 2012, 4:05:41 AM3/5/12
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attractive, and "wireless" has a somewhat different sense.
--
James
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
Mar 5, 2012, 5:20:13 AM3/5/12
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On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 00:55:58 -0800 (PST), Duggy <Paul....@jcu.edu.au>
wrote:
>On Mar 5, 5:14 pm, Mike Barnes <mikebar...@bluebottle.com> wrote:
>> But, I realise, we do say "cordless" for an object that lacks something
>> we don't call a "cord". That's the way the biscuit crumbles.
>
>In Australia with call it a cord. And a cordless phone has one.
>
Cordless kettles have cords.
>I work in a telco call centre, and have been assured many, many times
>"yeah, it has a cord".
>
wrote:
>On Mar 5, 5:14 pm, Mike Barnes <mikebar...@bluebottle.com> wrote:
>> But, I realise, we do say "cordless" for an object that lacks something
>> we don't call a "cord". That's the way the biscuit crumbles.
>
>In Australia with call it a cord. And a cordless phone has one.
>
>I work in a telco call centre, and have been assured many, many times
>"yeah, it has a cord".
>
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
Mar 5, 2012, 5:26:52 AM3/5/12
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partly for appearance but primarily to protect the rubber. Over time the
rubber would lose flexibility and become brittle.
Duggy
Mar 5, 2012, 5:34:34 AM3/5/12
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On Mar 5, 8:20 pm, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net>
wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 00:55:58 -0800 (PST), Duggy <Paul.Dug...@jcu.edu.au>
Cordless phones have cords.
Cordless kettles have cords.
Cordless parachutes have bodies.
===
= DUG.
===
wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 00:55:58 -0800 (PST), Duggy <Paul.Dug...@jcu.edu.au>
> wrote:
>
> >On Mar 5, 5:14 pm, Mike Barnes <mikebar...@bluebottle.com> wrote:
> >> But, I realise, we do say "cordless" for an object that lacks something
> >> we don't call a "cord". That's the way the biscuit crumbles.
>
> >In Australia with call it a cord. And a cordless phone has one.
>
> Cordless kettles have cords.
Exactly.
>
> >On Mar 5, 5:14 pm, Mike Barnes <mikebar...@bluebottle.com> wrote:
> >> But, I realise, we do say "cordless" for an object that lacks something
> >> we don't call a "cord". That's the way the biscuit crumbles.
>
> >In Australia with call it a cord. And a cordless phone has one.
>
> Cordless kettles have cords.
Cordless phones have cords.
Cordless kettles have cords.
Cordless parachutes have bodies.
===
= DUG.
===
Peter Brooks
Mar 5, 2012, 5:59:42 AM3/5/12
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Iain Archer
Mar 5, 2012, 6:43:47 AM3/5/12
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Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote on Mon, 5 Mar 2012
"Flexible cables" are an acknowledged entity. See for example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_cable#Flexible_cables . I don't
think anyone's yet mentioned the use of stranded wires, to obtain the
flexibility.
--
Iain Archer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_cable#Flexible_cables . I don't
think anyone's yet mentioned the use of stranded wires, to obtain the
flexibility.
--
Iain Archer
Nick Spalding
Mar 5, 2012, 7:14:00 AM3/5/12
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Robert Bannister wrote, in <9ribt2...@mid.individual.net>
on Mon, 05 Mar 2012 07:24:15 +0800:
There is an old table lamp tucked away in the attic that still has
that sort of flex on it. As Peter says, the cloth is an outer
covering, there is rubber between it and the wire.
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
on Mon, 05 Mar 2012 07:24:15 +0800:
that sort of flex on it. As Peter says, the cloth is an outer
covering, there is rubber between it and the wire.
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
Nick Spalding
Mar 5, 2012, 7:23:38 AM3/5/12
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Steve Hayes wrote, in <igc8l71iqbju8mi8u...@4ax.com>
on Mon, 05 Mar 2012 05:25:37 +0200:
>On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:12:02 +0100, Pablo <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>>I always say "lead". Power lead or kettle lead (which these days, are often
>>the same thing in the UK and Europe - not that one can easily buy a kettle
>>outside of the UK).
>
>I have no difficulty in buying kettles here.
I suspect that the prevalence of electric kettles correlates with the
normal domestic voltage. My current kettle is rated at 2.5kw which
with our 230v supply draws a bit under 11A, well within the 13A rating
of the fuse in its plug. It would be double that on a 115v supply
which seems on the high side for domestic wiring. What power rating
are US electric kettles, and are they used on the normal 115v supply?
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
on Mon, 05 Mar 2012 05:25:37 +0200:
>On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:12:02 +0100, Pablo <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>>I always say "lead". Power lead or kettle lead (which these days, are often
>>the same thing in the UK and Europe - not that one can easily buy a kettle
>>outside of the UK).
>
>I have no difficulty in buying kettles here.
normal domestic voltage. My current kettle is rated at 2.5kw which
with our 230v supply draws a bit under 11A, well within the 13A rating
of the fuse in its plug. It would be double that on a 115v supply
which seems on the high side for domestic wiring. What power rating
are US electric kettles, and are they used on the normal 115v supply?
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
tony cooper
Mar 5, 2012, 10:04:11 AM3/5/12
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:23:38 +0000, Nick Spalding <spal...@iol.ie>
wrote:
>What power rating are US electric kettles,
Dunno, and don't know how to check. This seems to be a figure that
Europeans know about their appliances and Americans never bother to
know. I suppose it's in the ads or the tag that came on the product
when it was purchased.
> and are they used on the normal 115v supply?
Of course. Ours sits on the sink counter. The kettle sits on a plate
with a connection to the heating element, but detaches so the kettle
can be filled or poured from.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
wrote:
>What power rating are US electric kettles,
Europeans know about their appliances and Americans never bother to
know. I suppose it's in the ads or the tag that came on the product
when it was purchased.
> and are they used on the normal 115v supply?
with a connection to the heating element, but detaches so the kettle
can be filled or poured from.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
the Omrud
Mar 5, 2012, 10:16:11 AM3/5/12
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On 05/03/2012 15:04, tony cooper wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:23:38 +0000, Nick Spalding<spal...@iol.ie>
> wrote:
>
>> What power rating are US electric kettles,
>
> Dunno, and don't know how to check. This seems to be a figure that
> Europeans know about their appliances and Americans never bother to
> know. I suppose it's in the ads or the tag that came on the product
> when it was purchased.
Many European electrical appliances have a small label which shows the
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:23:38 +0000, Nick Spalding<spal...@iol.ie>
> wrote:
>
>> What power rating are US electric kettles,
>
> Dunno, and don't know how to check. This seems to be a figure that
> Europeans know about their appliances and Americans never bother to
> know. I suppose it's in the ads or the tag that came on the product
> when it was purchased.
power rating. Our kettle is rated 1850 - 2200 W. I didn't know this
though - I had to look. The power rating depends on the supply voltage
which varies throughout Europe, between about 220V and 250V.
Amazon.com has a number of electric kettles - those which state a power
rating boast about how fast the water will boil with its 1500 W power.
>> and are they used on the normal 115v supply?
>
> Of course. Ours sits on the sink counter. The kettle sits on a plate
> with a connection to the heating element, but detaches so the kettle
> can be filled or poured from.
--
David
tony cooper
Mar 5, 2012, 10:42:40 AM3/5/12
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:16:11 +0000, the Omrud <usenet...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Two, in fact. One says it is a Type K14 Kettle, 120V-60Hz, 1500W.
The other cautions me to not immerse in water (while not stated, I
assume it is only the detached plate that is not to be immersed) and
to use water only. The cautions are repeated in four languages. The
label also says "For Household Use Only".
wrote:
The other cautions me to not immerse in water (while not stated, I
assume it is only the detached plate that is not to be immersed) and
to use water only. The cautions are repeated in four languages. The
label also says "For Household Use Only".
Snidely
Mar 5, 2012, 10:52:37 AM3/5/12
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tony cooper explained :
A co-resident here has one rated 1500 Watts 120VAC. Handy little
sticker on the bottom of the base, with the part number on. A separate
sticker has some of the approval logos of various safety/rating
agencies.
I think some of the non-cordless kettles over here have the data molded
into the plastic applied to the bottom of the vessel, but I don't have
a sample close to hand.
/dps
--
Who, me?
sticker on the bottom of the base, with the part number on. A separate
sticker has some of the approval logos of various safety/rating
agencies.
I think some of the non-cordless kettles over here have the data molded
into the plastic applied to the bottom of the vessel, but I don't have
a sample close to hand.
/dps
--
Who, me?
Nick Spalding
Mar 5, 2012, 10:56:04 AM3/5/12
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tony cooper wrote, in <f7l9l71f40it4m2k7...@4ax.com>
on Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:04:11 -0500:
Mine is the same configuration. I just checked, it boils a litre of
water in 2m 25s and filled up to the max mark at 1.7l it takes 4m 6s.
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
on Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:04:11 -0500:
water in 2m 25s and filled up to the max mark at 1.7l it takes 4m 6s.
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
the Omrud
Mar 5, 2012, 11:10:02 AM3/5/12
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On 05/03/2012 15:42, tony cooper wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:16:11 +0000, the Omrud<usenet...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 05/03/2012 15:04, tony cooper wrote:
>>> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:23:38 +0000, Nick Spalding<spal...@iol.ie>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What power rating are US electric kettles,
>>>
>>> Dunno, and don't know how to check. This seems to be a figure that
>>> Europeans know about their appliances and Americans never bother to
>>> know. I suppose it's in the ads or the tag that came on the product
>>> when it was purchased.
>>
>> Many European electrical appliances have a small label which shows the
>> power rating. Our kettle is rated 1850 - 2200 W. I didn't know this
>> though - I had to look. The power rating depends on the supply voltage
>> which varies throughout Europe, between about 220V and 250V.
>>
>> Amazon.com has a number of electric kettles - those which state a power
>> rating boast about how fast the water will boil with its 1500 W power.
>>
>>>> and are they used on the normal 115v supply?
>>>
>>> Of course. Ours sits on the sink counter. The kettle sits on a plate
>>> with a connection to the heating element, but detaches so the kettle
>>> can be filled or poured from.
>>
>> If you turn the bottom plate over, does it have a label?
>
> Two, in fact. One says it is a Type K14 Kettle, 120V-60Hz, 1500W.
So it will take about 30% longer to boil a given quantity of water as a
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:16:11 +0000, the Omrud<usenet...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 05/03/2012 15:04, tony cooper wrote:
>>> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:23:38 +0000, Nick Spalding<spal...@iol.ie>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What power rating are US electric kettles,
>>>
>>> Dunno, and don't know how to check. This seems to be a figure that
>>> Europeans know about their appliances and Americans never bother to
>>> know. I suppose it's in the ads or the tag that came on the product
>>> when it was purchased.
>>
>> Many European electrical appliances have a small label which shows the
>> power rating. Our kettle is rated 1850 - 2200 W. I didn't know this
>> though - I had to look. The power rating depends on the supply voltage
>> which varies throughout Europe, between about 220V and 250V.
>>
>> Amazon.com has a number of electric kettles - those which state a power
>> rating boast about how fast the water will boil with its 1500 W power.
>>
>>>> and are they used on the normal 115v supply?
>>>
>>> Of course. Ours sits on the sink counter. The kettle sits on a plate
>>> with a connection to the heating element, but detaches so the kettle
>>> can be filled or poured from.
>>
>> If you turn the bottom plate over, does it have a label?
>
> Two, in fact. One says it is a Type K14 Kettle, 120V-60Hz, 1500W.
2000W kettle, given equal efficiency in use of power. Unless we use our
own pint measures.
--
David
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
Mar 5, 2012, 11:39:10 AM3/5/12
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:56:04 +0000, Nick Spalding <spal...@iol.ie>
http://www.aroma-housewares.com/kitchen/appliances/AWK-270SS.html
7-Cup Stainless Steel Electric Water Kettle
Large, 7-cup/1.7-liter capacity
Lightening fast - water boils at cup-a-minute speed
That's 7m, or thereabouts, for 1.7l.
Those might be "long minutes", but not as long as "Irish minutes".
UK spec. kettles are up to 3000W and US spec. ones appear to be up to
1500W.
I have two kettles. The one in normal use is 3000W. The other is a
cheapie kept as a spare and is 2200W.
The labelling of the 3000W one is careful: "220-240V 2520 - 3000W".
The other just says: "230V 2200W".
wrote:
>tony cooper wrote, in <f7l9l71f40it4m2k7...@4ax.com>
> on Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:04:11 -0500:
>
>>On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:23:38 +0000, Nick Spalding <spal...@iol.ie>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>What power rating are US electric kettles,
>>
>>Dunno, and don't know how to check. This seems to be a figure that
>>Europeans know about their appliances and Americans never bother to
>>know. I suppose it's in the ads or the tag that came on the product
>>when it was purchased.
>>
>>> and are they used on the normal 115v supply?
>>
>>Of course. Ours sits on the sink counter. The kettle sits on a plate
>>with a connection to the heating element, but detaches so the kettle
>>can be filled or poured from.
>
>Mine is the same configuration. I just checked, it boils a litre of
>water in 2m 25s and filled up to the max mark at 1.7l it takes 4m 6s.
Compare that with this US one:
>tony cooper wrote, in <f7l9l71f40it4m2k7...@4ax.com>
> on Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:04:11 -0500:
>
>>On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:23:38 +0000, Nick Spalding <spal...@iol.ie>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>What power rating are US electric kettles,
>>
>>Dunno, and don't know how to check. This seems to be a figure that
>>Europeans know about their appliances and Americans never bother to
>>know. I suppose it's in the ads or the tag that came on the product
>>when it was purchased.
>>
>>> and are they used on the normal 115v supply?
>>
>>Of course. Ours sits on the sink counter. The kettle sits on a plate
>>with a connection to the heating element, but detaches so the kettle
>>can be filled or poured from.
>
>Mine is the same configuration. I just checked, it boils a litre of
>water in 2m 25s and filled up to the max mark at 1.7l it takes 4m 6s.
http://www.aroma-housewares.com/kitchen/appliances/AWK-270SS.html
7-Cup Stainless Steel Electric Water Kettle
Large, 7-cup/1.7-liter capacity
Lightening fast - water boils at cup-a-minute speed
That's 7m, or thereabouts, for 1.7l.
Those might be "long minutes", but not as long as "Irish minutes".
UK spec. kettles are up to 3000W and US spec. ones appear to be up to
1500W.
I have two kettles. The one in normal use is 3000W. The other is a
cheapie kept as a spare and is 2200W.
The labelling of the 3000W one is careful: "220-240V 2520 - 3000W".
The other just says: "230V 2200W".
tony cooper
Mar 5, 2012, 11:47:44 AM3/5/12
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:10:02 +0000, the Omrud <usenet...@gmail.com>
I think I can live with that. The boiling action is started by
flipping a lever down. When the water boils, the lever flips back up
and the heating element is turned off. Automatically.
We would never stand over the kettle waiting for the lever to pop.
The usual drill is to empty the kettle of the stale water, refill the
kettle, flip the lever, and start to set out the cups and the makings
of tea and any goodies served with the tea. By the time the
arrangements are made, the lever is up.
flipping a lever down. When the water boils, the lever flips back up
and the heating element is turned off. Automatically.
We would never stand over the kettle waiting for the lever to pop.
The usual drill is to empty the kettle of the stale water, refill the
kettle, flip the lever, and start to set out the cups and the makings
of tea and any goodies served with the tea. By the time the
arrangements are made, the lever is up.
tony cooper
Mar 5, 2012, 11:48:47 AM3/5/12
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:56:04 +0000, Nick Spalding <spal...@iol.ie>
tea.
wrote:
>tony cooper wrote, in <f7l9l71f40it4m2k7...@4ax.com>
> on Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:04:11 -0500:
>
>>On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:23:38 +0000, Nick Spalding <spal...@iol.ie>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>What power rating are US electric kettles,
>>
>>Dunno, and don't know how to check. This seems to be a figure that
>>Europeans know about their appliances and Americans never bother to
>>know. I suppose it's in the ads or the tag that came on the product
>>when it was purchased.
>>
>>> and are they used on the normal 115v supply?
>>
>>Of course. Ours sits on the sink counter. The kettle sits on a plate
>>with a connection to the heating element, but detaches so the kettle
>>can be filled or poured from.
>
>Mine is the same configuration. I just checked, it boils a litre of
>water in 2m 25s and filled up to the max mark at 1.7l it takes 4m 6s.
Amazing that you have timed it. You must really be jonesing for your
>tony cooper wrote, in <f7l9l71f40it4m2k7...@4ax.com>
> on Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:04:11 -0500:
>
>>On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:23:38 +0000, Nick Spalding <spal...@iol.ie>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>What power rating are US electric kettles,
>>
>>Dunno, and don't know how to check. This seems to be a figure that
>>Europeans know about their appliances and Americans never bother to
>>know. I suppose it's in the ads or the tag that came on the product
>>when it was purchased.
>>
>>> and are they used on the normal 115v supply?
>>
>>Of course. Ours sits on the sink counter. The kettle sits on a plate
>>with a connection to the heating element, but detaches so the kettle
>>can be filled or poured from.
>
>Mine is the same configuration. I just checked, it boils a litre of
>water in 2m 25s and filled up to the max mark at 1.7l it takes 4m 6s.
tea.
the Omrud
Mar 5, 2012, 11:55:57 AM3/5/12
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given as a reason for the lower penetration of electric kettles in the
US market.
--
David
Katy Jennison
Mar 5, 2012, 11:56:28 AM3/5/12
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one has to pour the water into the teapot at the very moment the lever
flips up. Your procedure sounds suspiciously as if it might warrant a
visit by the Totally Official Tea Inspectorate.
--
Katy Jennison
Steve Hayes
Mar 5, 2012, 12:32:20 PM3/5/12
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:55:57 +0000, the Omrud <usenet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Oh, sure, but the longer boiling time caused by 110 V mains is often
>given as a reason for the lower penetration of electric kettles in the
>US market.
Wouldn't that apply to stove-top kettles as well?
>Oh, sure, but the longer boiling time caused by 110 V mains is often
>given as a reason for the lower penetration of electric kettles in the
>US market.
the Omrud
Mar 5, 2012, 12:34:58 PM3/5/12
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On 05/03/2012 17:32, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:55:57 +0000, the Omrud<usenet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh, sure, but the longer boiling time caused by 110 V mains is often
>> given as a reason for the lower penetration of electric kettles in the
>> US market.
>
> Wouldn't that apply to stove-top kettles as well?
I think that electric cookers have a higher current available. However,
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:55:57 +0000, the Omrud<usenet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh, sure, but the longer boiling time caused by 110 V mains is often
>> given as a reason for the lower penetration of electric kettles in the
>> US market.
>
> Wouldn't that apply to stove-top kettles as well?
most UK households use gas on their hobs so perhaps the gas cooker takes
longer to boil than the electric cooker.
--
David
Peter Bennett
Mar 5, 2012, 12:38:32 PM3/5/12
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>I suspect that the prevalence of electric kettles correlates with the
>normal domestic voltage. My current kettle is rated at 2.5kw which
>with our 230v supply draws a bit under 11A, well within the 13A rating
>of the fuse in its plug. It would be double that on a 115v supply
>which seems on the high side for domestic wiring. What power rating
>are US electric kettles, and are they used on the normal 115v supply?
My electric kettle (Canadian) is 1500 watts, 120 V, so it can be used
>normal domestic voltage. My current kettle is rated at 2.5kw which
>with our 230v supply draws a bit under 11A, well within the 13A rating
>of the fuse in its plug. It would be double that on a 115v supply
>which seems on the high side for domestic wiring. What power rating
>are US electric kettles, and are they used on the normal 115v supply?
in a normal 15 amp outlet. I suppose it will take a somewhat longer
to boil than a British 2500 watt kettle.
--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb (at) telus.net
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca
Garrett Wollman
Mar 5, 2012, 1:13:53 PM3/5/12
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In article <64u9l7180mffmolpp...@4ax.com>,
wouldn't get that much power. The heat transfer may be less efficient
than an immersion heater, however.
To heat a kilogram of water by 96 kelvins takes approximately 402 kJ.
To do so in three minutes takes 2.2 kW(t), but the conversion losses
will ensure that you need more than that in kW(e).
-GAWollman
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Steve Hayes <haye...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:55:57 +0000, the Omrud <usenet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Oh, sure, but the longer boiling time caused by 110 V mains is often
>>given as a reason for the lower penetration of electric kettles in the
>>US market.
>
>Wouldn't that apply to stove-top kettles as well?
No, electric ranges use 240 V, 50 A service, although a single burner
>On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:55:57 +0000, the Omrud <usenet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Oh, sure, but the longer boiling time caused by 110 V mains is often
>>given as a reason for the lower penetration of electric kettles in the
>>US market.
>
>Wouldn't that apply to stove-top kettles as well?
wouldn't get that much power. The heat transfer may be less efficient
than an immersion heater, however.
To heat a kilogram of water by 96 kelvins takes approximately 402 kJ.
To do so in three minutes takes 2.2 kW(t), but the conversion losses
will ensure that you need more than that in kW(e).
-GAWollman
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Mike Barnes
Mar 5, 2012, 1:23:31 PM3/5/12
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Katy Jennison <ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com>:
when the kettle didn't switch itself off, it was unwise to leave it
boiling for many minutes. But I really don't think a few seconds
matters. Perhaps I'm just a heathen with no taste buds.
>Tea, however, unlike coffee, needs to be made with boiling water. So
>one has to pour the water into the teapot at the very moment the lever
>flips up.
I remain unconvinced by that "very moment" obsession. OK, in the days
>one has to pour the water into the teapot at the very moment the lever
>flips up.
when the kettle didn't switch itself off, it was unwise to leave it
boiling for many minutes. But I really don't think a few seconds
matters. Perhaps I'm just a heathen with no taste buds.
Mike Barnes
Mar 5, 2012, 1:23:08 PM3/5/12
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Nick Spalding <spal...@iol.ie>:
Thank you for prompting me to make a nice refreshing cup of tea. For 1.7
litres, 3m 49s. (Rating plate says 2500-3000 W.)
More important for me is the minimum boil - one mugful (300 ml) in 42
seconds. Or about 30 seconds for green tea.
Regarding the subject line, the excess lead is coiled up within the base
plate, leaving a convenient 50 cm to the socket.
litres, 3m 49s. (Rating plate says 2500-3000 W.)
More important for me is the minimum boil - one mugful (300 ml) in 42
seconds. Or about 30 seconds for green tea.
Regarding the subject line, the excess lead is coiled up within the base
plate, leaving a convenient 50 cm to the socket.
Nick Spalding
Mar 5, 2012, 1:30:15 PM3/5/12
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tony cooper wrote, in <air9l79fnkigb1lho...@4ax.com>
on Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:48:47 -0500:
Water for one mug of tea boils in just over a minute. Meanwhile the
mug is heating in the microwave.
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
on Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:48:47 -0500:
mug is heating in the microwave.
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
Sara Lorimer
Mar 5, 2012, 1:32:53 PM3/5/12
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as far as I've noticed they're no slower than putting a kettle on the
stove. I've never been making tea for someone and had them complain
about how slow my kettle is, or compare it to how quickly kettles boil
in other countries.
--
SML
Seattle-ish
Sara Lorimer
Mar 5, 2012, 1:34:48 PM3/5/12
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person: it lets the user choose at which temperature the kettle should
switch off.
--
SML
Seattle-ish
jgharston
Mar 5, 2012, 1:57:47 PM3/5/12
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Iain Archer wrote:
> "Flexible cables" are an acknowledged entity. See for example
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_cable#Flexible_cables. I don't
> "Flexible cables" are an acknowledged entity. See for example
> think anyone's yet mentioned the use of stranded wires, to obtain the
> flexibility.
I didn't mention that as some non-flexible cable is stranded, and
> flexibility.
I have occasionally encountered nonstranded flexible cable -
though I would expect such stuff to not be capable or meeting
BS6004.
However, it's a good rule of thumb that flex => stranded,
nonstranded => cable.
JGH
J. J. Lodder
Mar 5, 2012, 1:57:47 PM3/5/12
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Jan
J. J. Lodder
Mar 5, 2012, 1:57:47 PM3/5/12
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Modern kettles switch off by detecting the vapour pressure
caused by boiling the water.
(hence when it boils vigorously)
Jan
tony cooper
Mar 5, 2012, 2:02:14 PM3/5/12
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:55:57 +0000, the Omrud <usenet...@gmail.com>
That could be the reason, but I think that the more likely reason is
the proliferation of appliances designed to sit on a countertop.
There just isn't room for more.
Our kitchen sink has an L-shaped counter with the sink in the corner.
On that counter sits a coffee brewer, a mixing wand*, and the electric
kettle. There is an additional countertop area on the other side of
the stove, and a toaster oven sits on that. In addition to the
appliances, various containers (including a large one for sugar) and
potted plants sit on the counter. Less frequently used appliances
(bread maker, panini maker, waffle iron, mixer, etc) are kept in the
under-counter spaces.
*
http://www.amazon.com/Cuisinart-CSB-76BC-SmartStick-200-Watt-Immersion/dp/B000EGA6QI
the proliferation of appliances designed to sit on a countertop.
There just isn't room for more.
Our kitchen sink has an L-shaped counter with the sink in the corner.
On that counter sits a coffee brewer, a mixing wand*, and the electric
kettle. There is an additional countertop area on the other side of
the stove, and a toaster oven sits on that. In addition to the
appliances, various containers (including a large one for sugar) and
potted plants sit on the counter. Less frequently used appliances
(bread maker, panini maker, waffle iron, mixer, etc) are kept in the
under-counter spaces.
*
http://www.amazon.com/Cuisinart-CSB-76BC-SmartStick-200-Watt-Immersion/dp/B000EGA6QI
tony cooper
Mar 5, 2012, 2:03:59 PM3/5/12
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though.
Iain Archer
Mar 5, 2012, 2:28:55 PM3/5/12
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J. J. Lodder wrote on Mon, 5 Mar 2012
>Modern kettles switch off by detecting the vapour pressure
>caused by boiling the water.
>(hence when it boils vigorously)
I've extracted the switch from a (not too) old electric kettle. The
thermostat is nothing more than a thin flexible bimetallic disc, just
under 2cm in diameter, with a horseshoe-like space stamped out
internally. The tab left in the middle of the horsehoe is the part that
bends on heating, so as to actuate a microswitch.
I was thinking how remarkably accurate it seemed to be, but then
realised that the steam probably only gets to it once the water is
boiling; so all that's needed is that it not be tripped by whatever the
surrounding temperature is before the steam starts circulating.
--
Iain Archer
>Modern kettles switch off by detecting the vapour pressure
>caused by boiling the water.
>(hence when it boils vigorously)
thermostat is nothing more than a thin flexible bimetallic disc, just
under 2cm in diameter, with a horseshoe-like space stamped out
internally. The tab left in the middle of the horsehoe is the part that
bends on heating, so as to actuate a microswitch.
I was thinking how remarkably accurate it seemed to be, but then
realised that the steam probably only gets to it once the water is
boiling; so all that's needed is that it not be tripped by whatever the
surrounding temperature is before the steam starts circulating.
--
Iain Archer
J. J. Lodder
Mar 5, 2012, 2:41:19 PM3/5/12
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the Omrud <usenet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 05/03/2012 15:04, tony cooper wrote:
> > On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:23:38 +0000, Nick Spalding<spal...@iol.ie>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> What power rating are US electric kettles,
> >
> > Dunno, and don't know how to check. This seems to be a figure that
> > Europeans know about their appliances and Americans never bother to
> > know. I suppose it's in the ads or the tag that came on the product
> > when it was purchased.
>
> Many European electrical appliances have a small label which shows the
> power rating. Our kettle is rated 1850 - 2200 W. I didn't know this
> though - I had to look. The power rating depends on the supply voltage
> which varies throughout Europe, between about 220V and 250V.
Not really. It's 230 V all over Europe,
> On 05/03/2012 15:04, tony cooper wrote:
> > On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:23:38 +0000, Nick Spalding<spal...@iol.ie>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> What power rating are US electric kettles,
> >
> > Dunno, and don't know how to check. This seems to be a figure that
> > Europeans know about their appliances and Americans never bother to
> > know. I suppose it's in the ads or the tag that came on the product
> > when it was purchased.
>
> Many European electrical appliances have a small label which shows the
> power rating. Our kettle is rated 1850 - 2200 W. I didn't know this
> though - I had to look. The power rating depends on the supply voltage
> which varies throughout Europe, between about 220V and 250V.
except for the Brits who try to go as high as possible
within the limit of the rules, just to be contrarian.
We are Brits you know, we bow to no damn eurorule.
God is good, he punishes them for their vanity
by making all their appliances,
which -are- standardized to 230 V,
burn out faster.
(made in China of course, no British made left)
Jan
J. J. Lodder
Mar 5, 2012, 2:41:21 PM3/5/12
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Mike Barnes <mikeb...@bluebottle.com> wrote:
> Katy Jennison <ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com>:
> >Tea, however, unlike coffee, needs to be made with boiling water. So
> >one has to pour the water into the teapot at the very moment the lever
> >flips up.
>
> I remain unconvinced by that "very moment" obsession.
You are right, it's nothing but an obsession.
> Katy Jennison <ka...@spamtrap.kjennison.com>:
> >Tea, however, unlike coffee, needs to be made with boiling water. So
> >one has to pour the water into the teapot at the very moment the lever
> >flips up.
>
> I remain unconvinced by that "very moment" obsession.
Even in a minute it won't cool significantly,
and a tenth of a degree really wo't influence the taste.
> OK, in the days
> when the kettle didn't switch itself off, it was unwise to leave it
> boiling for many minutes. But I really don't think a few seconds
> matters. Perhaps I'm just a heathen with no taste buds.
arrange for a double blind test to allow them to show off,
Jan
J. J. Lodder
Mar 5, 2012, 2:41:21 PM3/5/12
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> UK spec. kettles are up to 3000W and US spec. ones appear to be up to
> 1500W.
>
> I have two kettles. The one in normal use is 3000W. The other is a
> cheapie kept as a spare and is 2200W.
>
> The labelling of the 3000W one is careful: "220-240V 2520 - 3000W".
> The other just says: "230V 2200W".
Power at one voltage says all.
And indeed, 2520 W * (240/220)^2 happens to be 2999,001 W
No surpise there,
Jan
the Omrud
Mar 5, 2012, 2:42:32 PM3/5/12
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On 05/03/2012 19:02, tony cooper wrote:
> Our kitchen sink has an L-shaped counter with the sink in the corner.
> On that counter sits a coffee brewer, a mixing wand*, and the electric
> kettle. There is an additional countertop area on the other side of
> the stove, and a toaster oven sits on that. In addition to the
> appliances, various containers (including a large one for sugar) and
> potted plants sit on the counter. Less frequently used appliances
> (bread maker, panini maker, waffle iron, mixer, etc) are kept in the
> under-counter spaces.
>
> *
> http://www.amazon.com/Cuisinart-CSB-76BC-SmartStick-200-Watt-Immersion/dp/B000EGA6QI
We call that a hand blender, and ours is kept in a cupboard.
> Our kitchen sink has an L-shaped counter with the sink in the corner.
> On that counter sits a coffee brewer, a mixing wand*, and the electric
> kettle. There is an additional countertop area on the other side of
> the stove, and a toaster oven sits on that. In addition to the
> appliances, various containers (including a large one for sugar) and
> potted plants sit on the counter. Less frequently used appliances
> (bread maker, panini maker, waffle iron, mixer, etc) are kept in the
> under-counter spaces.
>
> *
> http://www.amazon.com/Cuisinart-CSB-76BC-SmartStick-200-Watt-Immersion/dp/B000EGA6QI
Our counter top is similar - the toaster and kettle are the only
permanent residents, although the bread mixer lives on the counter in
the utility room, which is similar to what you might call a laundry
room. These rooms are always connected to the kitchen in UK homes -
I've never seen one upstairs as is common in North America.
--
David
Skitt
Mar 5, 2012, 2:44:40 PM3/5/12
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On 3/5/2012 8:39 AM, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:56:04 +0000, Nick Spalding<spal...@iol.ie>
> wrote:
>
>> tony cooper wrote, in<f7l9l71f40it4m2k7...@4ax.com>
>> on Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:04:11 -0500:
>>
>>> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:23:38 +0000, Nick Spalding<spal...@iol.ie>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What power rating are US electric kettles,
>>>
>>> Dunno, and don't know how to check. This seems to be a figure that
>>> Europeans know about their appliances and Americans never bother to
>>> know. I suppose it's in the ads or the tag that came on the product
>>> when it was purchased.
>>>
>>>> and are they used on the normal 115v supply?
>>>
>>> Of course. Ours sits on the sink counter. The kettle sits on a plate
>>> with a connection to the heating element, but detaches so the kettle
>>> can be filled or poured from.
>>
>> Mine is the same configuration. I just checked, it boils a litre of
>> water in 2m 25s and filled up to the max mark at 1.7l it takes 4m 6s.
>
> Compare that with this US one:
> http://www.aroma-housewares.com/kitchen/appliances/AWK-270SS.html
>
> 7-Cup Stainless Steel Electric Water Kettle
>
> Large, 7-cup/1.7-liter capacity
> Lightening fast - water boils at cup-a-minute speed
And it *really* says "Lightening".
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:56:04 +0000, Nick Spalding<spal...@iol.ie>
> wrote:
>
>> tony cooper wrote, in<f7l9l71f40it4m2k7...@4ax.com>
>> on Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:04:11 -0500:
>>
>>> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:23:38 +0000, Nick Spalding<spal...@iol.ie>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What power rating are US electric kettles,
>>>
>>> Dunno, and don't know how to check. This seems to be a figure that
>>> Europeans know about their appliances and Americans never bother to
>>> know. I suppose it's in the ads or the tag that came on the product
>>> when it was purchased.
>>>
>>>> and are they used on the normal 115v supply?
>>>
>>> Of course. Ours sits on the sink counter. The kettle sits on a plate
>>> with a connection to the heating element, but detaches so the kettle
>>> can be filled or poured from.
>>
>> Mine is the same configuration. I just checked, it boils a litre of
>> water in 2m 25s and filled up to the max mark at 1.7l it takes 4m 6s.
>
> Compare that with this US one:
> http://www.aroma-housewares.com/kitchen/appliances/AWK-270SS.html
>
> 7-Cup Stainless Steel Electric Water Kettle
>
> Large, 7-cup/1.7-liter capacity
> Lightening fast - water boils at cup-a-minute speed
>
> That's 7m, or thereabouts, for 1.7l.
> Those might be "long minutes", but not as long as "Irish minutes".
>
> UK spec. kettles are up to 3000W and US spec. ones appear to be up to
> 1500W.
>
> I have two kettles. The one in normal use is 3000W. The other is a
> cheapie kept as a spare and is 2200W.
>
> The labelling of the 3000W one is careful: "220-240V 2520 - 3000W".
> The other just says: "230V 2200W".
>
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J. J. Lodder
Mar 5, 2012, 2:57:46 PM3/5/12
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the nylon gauze filter from the spout.
It's function is not to filter the water,
it is to slow down escaping steam,
allowing pressure to build up.
Without it tripping the switch will take much longer,
Jan
Snidely
Mar 5, 2012, 3:03:45 PM3/5/12
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on 3/5/2012, the Omrud supposed :
>
> Our counter top is similar - the toaster and kettle are the only permanent
> residents, although the bread mixer lives on the counter in the utility room,
I used to keep a coffee dripper (used for hot water), a microwave, and
a Crock Pot (tm) on the counter, and the Cuisinart (tm) was usually
pushed behind the CP. The pop-up toaster lived on top of the
refrigerator, waiting for me to get an updated one.
> which is similar to what you might call a laundry room. These rooms are
> always connected to the kitchen in UK homes - I've never seen one upstairs as
> is common in North America.
I have never seen one upstairs, except on a video tour. But then, I
live near the Pacific Ocean. In a ranch-style house, any utility or
laundry room is usually near the garage, in a split-level or a house
with a true basement the room is usually hidden in the depths. I have
seen laundry chutes in a couple of 2-story houses.
/dps
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> On 05/03/2012 19:02, tony cooper wrote:
>
>> Our kitchen sink has an L-shaped counter with the sink in the corner.
>> On that counter sits a coffee brewer, a mixing wand*, and the electric
>> kettle. There is an additional countertop area on the other side of
>> the stove, and a toaster oven sits on that. In addition to the
>> appliances, various containers (including a large one for sugar) and
>> potted plants sit on the counter. Less frequently used appliances
>> (bread maker, panini maker, waffle iron, mixer, etc) are kept in the
>> under-counter spaces.
>>
>> *
>> http://www.amazon.com/Cuisinart-CSB-76BC-SmartStick-200-Watt-Immersion/dp/B000EGA6QI
>
> We call that a hand blender, and ours is kept in a cupboard.
We see various names depending on brand (or TV chef).
>
>> Our kitchen sink has an L-shaped counter with the sink in the corner.
>> On that counter sits a coffee brewer, a mixing wand*, and the electric
>> kettle. There is an additional countertop area on the other side of
>> the stove, and a toaster oven sits on that. In addition to the
>> appliances, various containers (including a large one for sugar) and
>> potted plants sit on the counter. Less frequently used appliances
>> (bread maker, panini maker, waffle iron, mixer, etc) are kept in the
>> under-counter spaces.
>>
>> *
>> http://www.amazon.com/Cuisinart-CSB-76BC-SmartStick-200-Watt-Immersion/dp/B000EGA6QI
>
> We call that a hand blender, and ours is kept in a cupboard.
>
> Our counter top is similar - the toaster and kettle are the only permanent
> residents, although the bread mixer lives on the counter in the utility room,
a Crock Pot (tm) on the counter, and the Cuisinart (tm) was usually
pushed behind the CP. The pop-up toaster lived on top of the
refrigerator, waiting for me to get an updated one.
> which is similar to what you might call a laundry room. These rooms are
> always connected to the kitchen in UK homes - I've never seen one upstairs as
> is common in North America.
live near the Pacific Ocean. In a ranch-style house, any utility or
laundry room is usually near the garage, in a split-level or a house
with a true basement the room is usually hidden in the depths. I have
seen laundry chutes in a couple of 2-story houses.
/dps
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