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Ross Clark
Jun 10, 2023, 6:14:06 AM6/10/23
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On 10/06/2023 3:14 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:
> I've noticed that in the US nowadays people often use "momentarily" to
> mean "soon", or "shortly", whereas in most other English-speaking
> countries "momentarily" is used almost exclusively to mean "of short
> duration", or "for a short time", and become rathert nervous, as
> aircraft passengers, with announcements like "We will be taking off
> momentarily", which implies that the aircraft is expected to crash
> shortly after take-off.
>
> But here is an exceperpt from a UK newpaper of about 200 years ago
> that shows that the usage that now seems confined to the US was once
> current in the UK at least.
>
> "Although Wednesday's mail, momentarily expected when our last number
> went to press, as we then stated, brought very important intelligence,
> we had no opportunity of announcing its substance in a second edition,
> as it did not reach Carlisle till five o'clock in the afternoon. The
> snow was of immense thickness in many places, and the coaches were
> stopped on all the roads. On Sunday morning, the thaw commenced; on
> Tuesday it rained; Wednesday and Thursday were very fine clear days;
> and at this time (Friday night), the snow has almost every where
> disappeared, we enjoy the mildness of spring, and the communication is
> restored in all directions. The London mail coach came over Stainmoor,
> for the first time for several days, on Tuesday" (Carlisle Patriot, 15
> Feb 1823).
>
>
That is interesting. I had not been conscious of a pondian difference.
OED's account has the following:
1. For a moment; for a very short time, fleetingly. (from 1655)
...
4. 4. Chiefly North American. At any moment; in a moment, soon. (from
1869).
The clue may be in the intermediate senses:
2. At the moment; instantly. Now rare. (from 1739)
3. At every moment; moment by moment. Now rare. (from 1763)
Perhaps the coach in your example was expected, not "in a moment, soon",
but rather "at every moment". Here's another case of "momentarily
expecting":
1847 C. Brontë Jane Eyre II. i. 1 During the early part of the
morning, I momentarily expected his coming.
> I've noticed that in the US nowadays people often use "momentarily" to
> mean "soon", or "shortly", whereas in most other English-speaking
> countries "momentarily" is used almost exclusively to mean "of short
> duration", or "for a short time", and become rathert nervous, as
> aircraft passengers, with announcements like "We will be taking off
> momentarily", which implies that the aircraft is expected to crash
> shortly after take-off.
>
> But here is an exceperpt from a UK newpaper of about 200 years ago
> that shows that the usage that now seems confined to the US was once
> current in the UK at least.
>
> "Although Wednesday's mail, momentarily expected when our last number
> went to press, as we then stated, brought very important intelligence,
> we had no opportunity of announcing its substance in a second edition,
> as it did not reach Carlisle till five o'clock in the afternoon. The
> snow was of immense thickness in many places, and the coaches were
> stopped on all the roads. On Sunday morning, the thaw commenced; on
> Tuesday it rained; Wednesday and Thursday were very fine clear days;
> and at this time (Friday night), the snow has almost every where
> disappeared, we enjoy the mildness of spring, and the communication is
> restored in all directions. The London mail coach came over Stainmoor,
> for the first time for several days, on Tuesday" (Carlisle Patriot, 15
> Feb 1823).
>
>
That is interesting. I had not been conscious of a pondian difference.
OED's account has the following:
1. For a moment; for a very short time, fleetingly. (from 1655)
...
4. 4. Chiefly North American. At any moment; in a moment, soon. (from
1869).
The clue may be in the intermediate senses:
2. At the moment; instantly. Now rare. (from 1739)
3. At every moment; moment by moment. Now rare. (from 1763)
Perhaps the coach in your example was expected, not "in a moment, soon",
but rather "at every moment". Here's another case of "momentarily
expecting":
1847 C. Brontë Jane Eyre II. i. 1 During the early part of the
morning, I momentarily expected his coming.
Peter T. Daniels
Jun 10, 2023, 9:06:15 AM6/10/23
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Steve is wrong about "nowadays."
> OED's account has the following:
>
> 1. For a moment; for a very short time, fleetingly. (from 1655)
> ...
> 4. 4. Chiefly North American. At any moment; in a moment, soon. (from
> 1869).
>
> The clue may be in the intermediate senses:
>
> 2. At the moment; instantly. Now rare. (from 1739)
> 3. At every moment; moment by moment. Now rare. (from 1763)
>
> Perhaps the coach in your example was expected, not "in a moment, soon",
> but rather "at every moment". Here's another case of "momentarily
> expecting":
>
> 1847 C. Brontë Jane Eyre II. i. 1 During the early part of the
> morning, I momentarily expected his coming.
lar3ryca
Jun 10, 2023, 11:44:18 AM6/10/23
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that usage in the past 10 years or so. It still bugs me.
> The clue may be in the intermediate senses:
>
> 2. At the moment; instantly. Now rare. (from 1739)
> 3. At every moment; moment by moment. Now rare. (from 1763)
>
> Perhaps the coach in your example was expected, not "in a moment, soon",
> but rather "at every moment". Here's another case of "momentarily
> expecting":
>
> 1847 C. Brontë Jane Eyre II. i. 1 During the early part of the
> morning, I momentarily expected his coming.
>
>
>
'Forty' is the only number that has all its letters in alphabetical order.
Hibou
Jun 10, 2023, 12:39:35 PM6/10/23
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Le 10/06/2023 à 16:44, lar3ryca a écrit :
> On 2023-06-10 04:13, Ross Clark wrote:
>>
>> That is interesting. I had not been conscious of a pondian difference.
>> OED's account has the following:
>>
>> 1. For a moment; for a very short time, fleetingly. (from 1655)
>> ...
>> 4. 4. Chiefly North American. At any moment; in a moment, soon. (from
>> 1869).
>
> I would almost narrow that down to 'Chiefly US.", as I have only noticed
> that usage in the past 10 years or so. It still bugs me.
The annoyance may be more than momentary. Such usages leak across the
> On 2023-06-10 04:13, Ross Clark wrote:
>>
>> That is interesting. I had not been conscious of a pondian difference.
>> OED's account has the following:
>>
>> 1. For a moment; for a very short time, fleetingly. (from 1655)
>> ...
>> 4. 4. Chiefly North American. At any moment; in a moment, soon. (from
>> 1869).
>
> I would almost narrow that down to 'Chiefly US.", as I have only noticed
> that usage in the past 10 years or so. It still bugs me.
Ocean (few things are worse than a leaky ocean)...
AmE:
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=was+momentarily+at+a+loss%2Cwill+be+with+you+momentarily&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-US-2019&smoothing=3>
BrE:
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=was+momentarily+at+a+loss%2Cwill+be+with+you+momentarily&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-GB-2019&smoothing=3>
Sam Plusnet
Jun 10, 2023, 2:37:31 PM6/10/23
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On 10-Jun-23 17:39, Hibou wrote:
> The annoyance may be more than momentary. Such usages leak across the
> Ocean (few things are worse than a leaky ocean)...
Agreed.
> The annoyance may be more than momentary. Such usages leak across the
> Ocean (few things are worse than a leaky ocean)...
We would all prefer one that is continent.
--
Sam Plusnet
phil
Jun 10, 2023, 4:14:12 PM6/10/23
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Ross Clark
Jun 10, 2023, 4:30:57 PM6/10/23
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sense develops, shifting from the anticipation to the anticipated event.
Sam Plusnet
Jun 10, 2023, 9:06:43 PM6/10/23
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--
Sam Plusnet
Madhu
Jun 11, 2023, 11:35:33 AM6/11/23
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* Ross Clark <u62mhr$2dkri$1...@dont-email.me> :
Wrote on Sun, 11 Jun 2023 08:30:45 +1200:
American. This came up on aue in 2017 I think, but I can't find the
thread in my local cache.
%
"This will occur at a time preceding the events of Matthew 24-25 which
must be fulfilled prior to the second coming of Christ. The rapture
therefore is an imminent event which today may be expected
momentarily."
-- John F Walvoord, 1985
%
"The parable in Matthew 25 EXPLAINS this long slumber. Turn to it and
read through the first 13 verses. The "virgins" represent the members of
God's Church through the ages. The Apostolic Age expected Christ's
return momentarily (I Thess. 4:15). But when He did not immediately
appear, they grew drowsy, lost their first love (Rev. 2:4) and went to
sleep on the job."
-- Ambassador College Bible Correspondence Course 52,
1968
Snidely
Jun 12, 2023, 4:04:57 AM6/12/23
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Sam Plusnet submitted this idea :
Easier if we were all carbon neutral.
-d
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Yes, I have had a cucumber soda. Why do you ask?
-d
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Yes, I have had a cucumber soda. Why do you ask?
Kerr-Mudd, John
Jun 12, 2023, 2:23:47 PM6/12/23
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On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 01:04:48 -0700
Snidely <snide...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sam Plusnet submitted this idea :
> > On 10-Jun-23 17:39, Hibou wrote:
> >
> >> The annoyance may be more than momentary. Such usages leak across the
> >> Ocean (few things are worse than a leaky ocean)...
> >
> > Agreed.
> >
> > We would all prefer one that is continent.
>
> Easier if we were all carbon neutral.
>
AIUI of Carbon is Necessary for Life (AWKI,J).
Snidely <snide...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sam Plusnet submitted this idea :
> > On 10-Jun-23 17:39, Hibou wrote:
> >
> >> The annoyance may be more than momentary. Such usages leak across the
> >> Ocean (few things are worse than a leaky ocean)...
> >
> > Agreed.
> >
> > We would all prefer one that is continent.
>
> Easier if we were all carbon neutral.
>
--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
Snidely
Jun 12, 2023, 10:12:12 PM6/12/23
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Kerr-Mudd, John pounded on thar keyboard to tell us
Sure, but we keep pulling extra out of the ground and putting it in the
sky.
/dps
--
https://xkcd.com/2704
sky.
/dps
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https://xkcd.com/2704
Dingbat
Jun 13, 2023, 12:21:59 AM6/13/23
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On Saturday, June 10, 2023 at 3:44:06 PM UTC+5:30, Ross Clark wrote:
> On 10/06/2023 3:14 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:
> > I've noticed that in the US nowadays people often use "momentarily" to
> > mean "soon", or "shortly", whereas in most other English-speaking
> > countries "momentarily" is used almost exclusively to mean "of short
> > duration", or "for a short time", and become rathert nervous, as
> > aircraft passengers, with announcements like "We will be taking off
> > momentarily", which implies that the aircraft is expected to crash
> > shortly after take-off.
> >
Momentarily is not used that way in India. Yet, I've heard someone from
> On 10/06/2023 3:14 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:
> > I've noticed that in the US nowadays people often use "momentarily" to
> > mean "soon", or "shortly", whereas in most other English-speaking
> > countries "momentarily" is used almost exclusively to mean "of short
> > duration", or "for a short time", and become rathert nervous, as
> > aircraft passengers, with announcements like "We will be taking off
> > momentarily", which implies that the aircraft is expected to crash
> > shortly after take-off.
> >
India in the US say, 'I'll be with you momentarily.'
Peter T. Daniels
Jun 13, 2023, 9:52:51 AM6/13/23
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On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 12:21:59 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
> > On 10/06/2023 3:14 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:
> > > I've noticed that in the US nowadays
For a long, long tijme
> > On 10/06/2023 3:14 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:
> > > I've noticed that in the US nowadays
> > > people often use "momentarily" to
> > > mean "soon", or "shortly", whereas in most other English-speaking
> > > countries "momentarily" is used almost exclusively to mean "of short
> > > duration", or "for a short time", and become rathert nervous, as
> > > aircraft passengers, with announcements like "We will be taking off
> > > momentarily", which implies that the aircraft is expected to crash
> > > shortly after take-off.
>
> Momentarily is not used that way in India. Yet, I've heard someone from
> India in the US say, 'I'll be with you momentarily.'
> >
> Can 'momentary sensation' have several meanings?
No. It refers to a sensation that only lasts for a moment.
Mark Brader
Jun 15, 2023, 10:27:57 AM6/15/23
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Steve Hayes:
> I first encountered it meaning something other than "for a moment" on
> my first (and only) visit to the USA in 1995, and could imagine
> feeling distinctly uneasy if an airline stewardess announced to
> passengers "We will be taking off momentarily"
Yes, this reaction is familiar.
> -- the TV series "Air
> Crash Investigations" has a number of instances of aircraft taking off
> momentarily, nearly all of them with unpleasant results.
The actual title of that show is "Mayday", by the way. Apparently it's
been changed quite a bit for viewers in foreign countries.
--
Mark Brader | "No [flying machine] will ever fly from New York to
Toronto | Paris ...[because] no known motor can run at the
m...@vex.net | requisite speed for four days without stopping..."
| -- Orville Wright, March 1909
My text in this article is in the public domain.
> I first encountered it meaning something other than "for a moment" on
> my first (and only) visit to the USA in 1995, and could imagine
> feeling distinctly uneasy if an airline stewardess announced to
> passengers "We will be taking off momentarily"
Yes, this reaction is familiar.
> -- the TV series "Air
> Crash Investigations" has a number of instances of aircraft taking off
> momentarily, nearly all of them with unpleasant results.
The actual title of that show is "Mayday", by the way. Apparently it's
been changed quite a bit for viewers in foreign countries.
--
Mark Brader | "No [flying machine] will ever fly from New York to
Toronto | Paris ...[because] no known motor can run at the
m...@vex.net | requisite speed for four days without stopping..."
| -- Orville Wright, March 1909
My text in this article is in the public domain.
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