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GrapeApe

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May 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/1/00
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Any distinction in meaning here?

I prefer the usage archetypical- which is more common usage?

Peter Whyer

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May 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/1/00
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Archetypal is correct. I can find no reference to archetypical.

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khann

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Rearranged to AUE standard ...

Peter Whyer wrote:
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> GrapeApe asked:


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> > Any distinction in meaning here?
> >
> > I prefer the usage archetypical- which is more common usage?
>

> Archetypal is correct. I can find no reference to archetypical.

You must not have looked very hard. SOED3, COD7 and m-w.com all show
"archetypical" as a variant spelling of "archetypal" with no variation
in meaning. A simple Altavista search gives 4397 hits for archetypical
and a further 418 for archtypical.

KHann

Martin Ambuhl

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May 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/1/00
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GrapeApe wrote:
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> Any distinction in meaning here?
>
> I prefer the usage archetypical- which is more common usage?

It appears to me that the various thesauri come down on the side of
"archetypal" with Chapman as the odd man out. This is not the first
time that Chapman's views have differed from the consensus.

The 1939 Roget's International (Mawson ed., Crowell) indexes only
"archetypal", while the 1992 Roget's International 5 (Chapman ed.,
Harper) indexes only "archtypical".

The Bloomsbury/Bartlett's 1996 (Little, Brown) Roget indexes only
"archetypal".

["Dictionary-form" thesauri]
The Oxford Thesaurus, even in its American edition, indexes only
"archetypal", and the Doubleday Roget has only "archetypal" as a
headword.

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Skitt

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May 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/2/00
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Peter Whyer <p....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> GrapeApe <grap...@aol.comjunk> wrote in message
> news:20000430223404...@ng-cj1.aol.com...
> > Any distinction in meaning here?
> >
> > I prefer the usage archetypical- which is more common usage?

> Archetypal is correct. I can find no reference to archetypical.

I'll help (look way below):

MWCD10:
Main Entry: ar·che·type
Pronunciation: 'är-ki-"tIp
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin archetypum, from Greek archetypon, from
neuter of archetypos archetypal, from archein + typos type
Date: 1545
1 : the original pattern or model of which all things of the
same type are representations or copies : PROTOTYPE; also
: a perfect example
2 : IDEA 1a
3 : an inherited idea or mode of thought in the psychology
of C. G. Jung that is derived from the experience of the race
and is present in the unconscious of the individual
- ar·che·typ·al /"är-ki-'tI-p&l/ also ar·che·typ·i·cal
/-'ti-pi-k&l/ adjective
- ar·che·typ·al·ly /-p&-lE/ adverb
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GrapeApe

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May 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/2/00
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Google results 1-10 of about 33,500 for archetypal. Search took 0.04 seconds.

Google results 1-10 of about 3,600 for archetypical. Search took 0.17 seconds.

I hear the minority version spoken more often, fwiw. Go Figure.

GrapeApe

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May 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/3/00
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>What's the choice between protoypal, prototypical,and prototypic?

One, 22,700 and 2,320.

Not too many people use ProToyPal.

492 for Prototypal.

Man, them's some choice numbas.

thespai...@gmail.com

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Jul 28, 2015, 8:55:09 AM7/28/15
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On Monday, 1 May 2000 09:00:00 UTC+2, GrapeApe wrote:
> Any distinction in meaning here?
>
> I prefer the usage archetypical- which is more common usage?

Style-wise it has to be archetypal. Archetypical reeks of a moron wno has just learnt the meaning of "typical". Anyone who says "archetypical" should be classified as educationally sub normal or American. Hope this helps.

snide...@gmail.com

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Jul 28, 2015, 1:58:15 PM7/28/15
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Wow! Imagine going 15 years without getting this into the FAQ!

/dps

micky

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Jul 28, 2015, 11:09:28 PM7/28/15
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In alt.usage.english, on Tue, 28 Jul 2015 10:58:13 -0700 (PDT),
I agree with it, at least style-wise. Not so much format-wise or
lunch-wise or archetype-wise.
>
>/dps


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Katy Jennison

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Jul 29, 2015, 5:09:12 AM7/29/15
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On 29/07/2015 04:09, micky wrote:
> In alt.usage.english, on Tue, 28 Jul 2015 10:58:13 -0700 (PDT),
> snide...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 5:55:09 AM UTC-7, thespai...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, 1 May 2000 09:00:00 UTC+2, GrapeApe wrote:
>>>> Any distinction in meaning here?
>>>>
>>>> I prefer the usage archetypical- which is more common usage?
>>>
>>> Style-wise it has to be archetypal. Archetypical reeks of a moron
>>> wno has just learnt the meaning of "typical". Anyone who says "archetypical"
>>> should be classified as educationally sub normal or American. Hope this helps.
>>
>> Wow! Imagine going 15 years without getting this into the FAQ!
>
> I agree with it, at least style-wise. Not so much format-wise or
> lunch-wise or archetype-wise.

Do you do the same with stereotype, though?

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charlesart...@gmail.com

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Mar 22, 2017, 7:40:37 AM3/22/17
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On Monday, May 1, 2000 at 8:00:00 AM UTC+1, GrapeApe wrote:
> Any distinction in meaning here?
>
> I prefer the usage archetypical- which is more common usage?

I share your liking for 'archetypical', but a quick check in Google nGram viewer shows 'archetypal' to be much more frequently used, though in absolute decline after 1990. 'Archetypical' shows a similar pattern, though with a less steep decline after 1995. There's not much difference between US and British usage. I support 'archetypical' iOS formed by analogy with 'type/typical': logical, but superfluous?

james.bra...@gmail.com

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Mar 1, 2019, 9:33:23 PM3/1/19
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On Monday, May 1, 2000 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-4, GrapeApe wrote:
> Any distinction in meaning here?
>
> I prefer the usage archetypical- which is more common usage?

Before I found this thread, I found the following--

Archetypical vs Archetypal - What's the difference? | WikiDiff
https://wikidiff.com/archetypical/archetypal
As adjectives the difference between archetypical and archetypal. is that archetypical is in the way of an archetype, in the way of an idealized model or most representative while archetypal is of or pertaining to an archetype.

danpsp...@gmail.com

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Mar 21, 2019, 2:32:58 PM3/21/19
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The above reeks of a moron unable to process the value of perfectly acceptable derivatives which are formed intuitively.

Peter Moylan

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Mar 25, 2019, 9:46:59 PM3/25/19
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The above reeks of two morons who don't have a clue how to read date
headers.

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HVS

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Mar 26, 2019, 5:28:21 AM3/26/19
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Both are posting from @gmail addresses, which is often another
indicator.

Peter T. Daniels

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Mar 26, 2019, 9:47:03 AM3/26/19
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PM doesn't understand that what gmail users see when they have searched
for something-or-other probably does not include any such information.
But he loves to complain about it. At least this time he didn't blame
it on "GG users."
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