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wavem...@my-dejanews.com

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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What does the phrase 'Eight to the Bar', found in many songs in the 30's and
40's, mean.

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Evan Kirshenbaum

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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wavem...@my-dejanews.com writes:

> What does the phrase 'Eight to the Bar', found in many songs in the
> 30's and 40's, mean.

This refers to the musical style known as "boogie-woogie", which
MWCD10 defines as

a percussive style of playing blues on the piano characterized by
a steady rhythmic ground bass of eighth notes in quadruple time
and a series of improvised melodic variations.

The phrase refers to the fact that the bass line consisted of eight
notes in every measure ("bar").

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N.Mitchum

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> What does the phrase 'Eight to the Bar', found in many songs in the 30's and
> 40's, mean.
>......

Many? I know of the title "Beat Me Daddy, Eight to the Bar" and
the line in "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy," but I hadn't realized the
phrase was used so very often.

In any event, it's a musical expression. The "bar" is a bar of
music, a measure. The "eight" indicates eight beats or notes.
Together they mean a fast, snappy kind of music.


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JNugent231

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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>From: "N.Mitchum" <aj...@removeme.lafn.org>

>wavem...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

>> What does the phrase 'Eight to the Bar', found in many songs in the 30's and
>> 40's, mean.

>Many? I know of the title "Beat Me Daddy, Eight to the Bar" and


>the line in "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy," but I hadn't realized the
>phrase was used so very often.

Oooh, yeah.

"When you hear that whistle blowin' eight to the bar..."

>In any event, it's a musical expression. The "bar" is a bar of
>music, a measure. The "eight" indicates eight beats or notes.
>Together they mean a fast, snappy kind of music.

Well, accurate as far as it goes, but not "musicianly". I prefer to think of it
as one of a group of similar phrases which accurately characterise the music
business; more particularly, the activities of most musicians immediately after
a gig.

"Two to the bar" for duos;
"Three to the bar" for trios;
"Four to the bar" for quartets;
............... but you are getting the picture already.

Armond Perretta

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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N.Mitchum wrote: ... wavem...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
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>> What does the phrase 'Eight to the Bar', found in many songs
>>in the 30's and 40's, mean.
>>
> ... a musical expression. The "bar" is a bar of music, a measure.

>The "eight" indicates eight beats or notes. Together they mean
>a fast, snappy kind of music.

I think another writer implied it but for clarification this
particular (musical) phrasing refers specifically to 4 sets of 2 beats
(all quarter notes) in each bar. I believe the term is "couplets."
If syncopation is employed one gets a "bluesey" kind of rhythm.


s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat (remove "BOAT")

Lloyd Zusman

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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"Armond Perretta" <arm...@BOATmindspring.com> writes:

Actually, these would actually be eighth notes (in 4/4 time), not
quarter notes ... or if the music is in 2/4 time (likely if it's
snappy), they would be sixteenth notes. In 4/4 time, the syncopated
version would be 4 dotted-eighth-sixteenth pairs, and in 2/4, the
syncopation would result from 4 dotted-sixteenth-thirty-second pairs.


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Armond Perretta

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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>Lloyd Zusman wrote: ... Actually, these would actually be
>eighth notes ... [etc] ...

Whoops, you're quite right of course.

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