On ATM machine: "Dip your card"
Berkeley Brett
I came upon one of these generic ATM machines in a convenience store
the other day -- the sort that charges you a fee of $2-$3 USD per cash
transaction. On the instructions just above the slot in which you are
to insert your card, it said:
"1. Dip your card."
Dip your card? Hmmm. Now it seems to me "Insert your card" would
have been better, since the motion of the card was straight in,
parallel to the earth. If the ATM had been set up in such a way that
an down-up motion of the card into the top of the machine had been
required to initiate the transaction, "Dip" might have been
appropriate. (I've never seen such an ATM, and I doubt there are any
such.)
So what do you think? Does "dip" imply an up-down or down-up motion?
(To be sure, if astronauts floating in their space ship were to "dip"
their potato chips into a floating container of sour cream with a
parallel-to-earth motion, we might accept their usage of the word
"dip" -- but this is clearly an exotic case!)
Thanks to all for any thoughts you might have on this exceedingly
miscellaneous and trivial question....
--
Brett
http://www.foreverfunds.org/
My plan for saving the world through micro-endowments that give
forever into the future!
MC
<5dd598f6-49dc-43c1...@r19g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
Berkeley Brett <roya...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks to all for any thoughts you might have on this exceedingly
> miscellaneous and trivial question....
If it were a dance card, a dip would be entirely appropriate - gallant
even.
--
"If you can, tell me something happy."
- Marybones
Leslie Danks
> I hope you are all in good spirits.
>
> I came upon one of these generic ATM machines in a convenience store
> the other day -- the sort that charges you a fee of $2-$3 USD per cash
> transaction. On the instructions just above the slot in which you are
> to insert your card, it said:
>
> "1. Dip your card."
>
> Dip your card? Hmmm. Now it seems to me "Insert your card" would
> have been better, since the motion of the card was straight in,
> parallel to the earth. If the ATM had been set up in such a way that
> an down-up motion of the card into the top of the machine had been
> required to initiate the transaction, "Dip" might have been
> appropriate. (I've never seen such an ATM, and I doubt there are any
> such.)
>
> So what do you think? Does "dip" imply an up-down or down-up motion?
>
> (To be sure, if astronauts floating in their space ship were to "dip"
> their potato chips into a floating container of sour cream with a
> parallel-to-earth motion, we might accept their usage of the word
> "dip" -- but this is clearly an exotic case!)
>
> Thanks to all for any thoughts you might have on this exceedingly
> miscellaneous and trivial question....
>
Perhaps the ATMM was full of catsup.
--
Les
(BrE)
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
<roya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I hope you are all in good spirits.
>
>I came upon one of these generic ATM machines in a convenience store
>the other day -- the sort that charges you a fee of $2-$3 USD per cash
>transaction. On the instructions just above the slot in which you are
>to insert your card, it said:
>
>"1. Dip your card."
>
>Dip your card? Hmmm. Now it seems to me "Insert your card" would
>have been better, since the motion of the card was straight in,
>parallel to the earth. If the ATM had been set up in such a way that
>an down-up motion of the card into the top of the machine had been
>required to initiate the transaction, "Dip" might have been
>appropriate. (I've never seen such an ATM, and I doubt there are any
>such.)
>
>So what do you think? Does "dip" imply an up-down or down-up motion?
>
>(To be sure, if astronauts floating in their space ship were to "dip"
>their potato chips into a floating container of sour cream with a
>parallel-to-earth motion, we might accept their usage of the word
>"dip" -- but this is clearly an exotic case!)
>
>Thanks to all for any thoughts you might have on this exceedingly
>miscellaneous and trivial question....
Googlification finds details of "dip card readers". Card readers
appeared to have three possible mechanisms:
1. swiping. The user moves the card through a swipe card reader.
2. dipping. The user puts the card fully into a slot - a dip card
reader.
3. the reader does most of the work. The user inserts the card into a
slot and the mechanism then pulls the card further inside and returns it
after the transaction - a motorized card reader.
A patent:
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6761310/description.html
The present invention relates to a card reader, and particularly to
a manual insertion hybrid dip card reader.
....
A dip card reader is a reader that does not have any transport
mechanism for automatically transporting a card (unlike a motorized
card reader/writer module), but a dip reader does receive and
support an inserted card (unlike a swipe card reader). To use a dip
reader, a user must manually insert his/her card, typically short
edge first, and then manually remove the card.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Ray O'Hara
"Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote in message
news:gb6mi6llktkg5aece...@4ax.com...
We have a winner folks, no more replies are needed.
Thank you all who didn't get to try.
But don't worry there will be a new thread in just a few minutes.
please send the entry fee to
666 Gimmerurdough Blvd.
Lagos, Nigeria.
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
<roya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I hope you are all in good spirits.
>
>I came upon one of these generic ATM machines in a convenience store
>the other day -- the sort that charges you a fee of $2-$3 USD per cash
>transaction. On the instructions just above the slot in which you are
>to insert your card, it said:
>
>"1. Dip your card."
>
>Dip your card? Hmmm. Now it seems to me "Insert your card" would
>have been better, since the motion of the card was straight in,
>parallel to the earth. If the ATM had been set up in such a way that
>an down-up motion of the card into the top of the machine had been
>required to initiate the transaction, "Dip" might have been
>appropriate. (I've never seen such an ATM, and I doubt there are any
>such.)
>
>So what do you think? Does "dip" imply an up-down or down-up motion?
>
>(To be sure, if astronauts floating in their space ship were to "dip"
>their potato chips into a floating container of sour cream with a
>parallel-to-earth motion, we might accept their usage of the word
>"dip" -- but this is clearly an exotic case!)
>
>Thanks to all for any thoughts you might have on this exceedingly
>miscellaneous and trivial question....
To me "dip" suggests a vertical-ish motion. It also suggests up and down
in pretty much a single motion. From the information I gave in my other
post it seems that a single motion is not what is meant.
All the ATMs I have used have motorized readers - insert the end of the
card and the machine takes it all the way in. The card goes in
horizontally. The non-motorized readers I use are card terminals in
supermarkets and other retail outlets. Some of those have a card slot
above the display into which the card goes at right angles to the keypad
and display. Even though the terminal may be tilted for easy of use I
would say that the insertion of the card might just be described as
"dipping". Other terminals have a slot at the front. The card is
inserted beneath the keypad and parallel to the keypad. As the terminal
is tilted toward the user the card actually goes upward. While that use
of "dip" might be reasonable in a space ship it is not normal down here.
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
<ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
>All the ATMs I have used have motorized readers
A vague recollection suggests that would be safer as "Most of the
ATMs...".
the Omrud
I once used an ATM somewhere in the USA (I think it was Florida) on
which you had to swipe your card's magnetic stripe, without pushing it
into a slot.
--
David
Nick Spalding
<pucmi6d83tm09d9fs...@4ax.com>
on Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:30:00 +0000:
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:27:33 +0000, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)"
> <ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
>
> >All the ATMs I have used have motorized readers
>
> A vague recollection suggests that would be safer as "Most of the
> ATMs...".
My experience is that the ATMs actually attached to a bank premises are
all of the motorised sort but the ones in other places are not
necessarily.
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
JimboCat
> I hope you are all in good spirits.
>
> I came upon one of these generic ATM machines in a convenience store
> the other day -- the sort that charges you a fee of $2-$3 USD per cash
> transaction. On the instructions just above the slot in which you are
> to insert your card, it said:
>
> "1. Dip your card."
I like it: push your card in, and then take it right back out, that
is, dip it into the machine. Makes perfect sense.
> Dip your card? Hmmm. Now it seems to me "Insert your card" would
> have been better, since the motion of the card was straight in,
> parallel to the earth. If the ATM had been set up in such a way that
> an down-up motion of the card into the top of the machine had been
> required to initiate the transaction, "Dip" might have been
> appropriate. (I've never seen such an ATM, and I doubt there are any
> such.)
Huh. You mean you HAVE to leave it in? Then "dip" makes no sense at
all!
> So what do you think? Does "dip" imply an up-down or down-up motion?
No: it implies an in-and-out motion. Direction is not important. IMHO.
On a closely related note:
The gas pumps here that allow credit-card purchases at the pump all
tell me to "insert card and remove quickly". To me that means "only
leave the card inserted for a very short time".
What they really want to convey is "after you've inserted the card,
pull it out at a rapid speed". The speed with which you pull it, not
the time interval after which you pull it, is what they want to
specify. (I think they used to say something about removing the card
"smoothly", but I've not seen one of those in a long time.)
I can't come up with an unambiguous message in five words or less that
emphasizes the speed, but I find "Dip your card" much better than
"insert card and remove quickly".
Jim Deutch (JimboCat)
--
Marketingspeak: "Detachable metallic helical threaded-ridge male
fasteners featuring a standardized externally-accessable tool-
integration interface."
Reality: screws.
David Hatunen
> Googlification finds details of "dip card readers". Card readers
> appeared to have three possible mechanisms:
[***]
> 2. dipping. The user puts the card fully into a slot - a dip card
> reader.
[***]
It's nice to know that at the age of 73 I'm still learning new things.
--
Dave Hatunen, Tucson, Arizona, out where the cacti grow
David Hatunen
> All the ATMs I have used have motorized readers - insert the end of the
> card and the machine takes it all the way in.
It there's any sort of problem, the mechanism tends to eat the card,
which can be a bit awkward when you're in a foreign country. I have also
from time to time forgotten to remove my card when it has popped back out
and driven away without it. At least if I dip the card, I never lose
control of it.
So far all of the fuel pumps I've ever used in the USA have you dip the
card.
> The card goes in
> horizontally. The non-motorized readers I use are card terminals in
> supermarkets and other retail outlets. Some of those have a card slot
> above the display into which the card goes at right angles to the keypad
> and display. Even though the terminal may be tilted for easy of use I
> would say that the insertion of the card might just be described as
> "dipping". Other terminals have a slot at the front. The card is
> inserted beneath the keypad and parallel to the keypad. As the terminal
> is tilted toward the user the card actually goes upward. While that use
> of "dip" might be reasonable in a space ship it is not normal down here.
In my lifetime I've had to adapt to many changes in language usage, and I
think I can manage to adapt to horizontal dipping. The only reason we
think of "dip" as a vertical action is that we are usually dipping into
something fluid which needs gravity to stay in place.
David Hatunen
> I once used an ATM somewhere in the USA (I think it was Florida) on
> which you had to swipe your card's magnetic stripe, without pushing it
> into a slot.
This is standard at most vendors, such as supermarkets.
James Silverton
>> Googlification finds details of "dip card readers". Card
>> readers appeared to have three possible mechanisms:
> [***]
>> 2. dipping. The user puts the card fully into a slot - a dip
>> card reader.
> [***]
> It's nice to know that at the age of 73 I'm still learning new
> things.
Somehow, inserting a card horizontally does not seem like dipping.
--
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
Nick Spalding
on Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:01:28 +0000 (UTC):
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:01:33 +0000, the Omrud wrote:
>
> > I once used an ATM somewhere in the USA (I think it was Florida) on
> > which you had to swipe your card's magnetic stripe, without pushing it
> > into a slot.
>
> This is standard at most vendors, such as supermarkets.
Not here where all cards have had chips for quite a few years now.
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
Tom P
"other places" being "retail points of sale", I believe to be the
correct terminology?
Peter Moylan
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:01:33 +0000, the Omrud wrote:
>
>> I once used an ATM somewhere in the USA (I think it was Florida) on
>> which you had to swipe your card's magnetic stripe, without pushing it
>> into a slot.
>
> This is standard at most vendors, such as supermarkets.
The card machines here support two systems. With older cards you swipe
the card through a slot that's just deep enough to take the magnetic
stripe. With most cards, though, you push the card - the end that has
the chip - into a different slot, and leave it there until the
transaction is approved. Because of the way the readers are mounted,
that latter push is a slightly upwards motion.
I suppose the upwards push is what the card vendors have chosen (without
telling the customers) to call a "dip".
--
Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org
For an e-mail address, see my web page.
Skitt
> David Hatunen wrote:
>> the Omrud wrote:
>>> I once used an ATM somewhere in the USA (I think it was Florida) on
>>> which you had to swipe your card's magnetic stripe, without pushing it
>>> into a slot.
>>
>> This is standard at most vendors, such as supermarkets.
>
> The card machines here support two systems. With older cards you swipe
> the card through a slot that's just deep enough to take the magnetic
> stripe. With most cards, though, you push the card - the end that has
> the chip - into a different slot, and leave it there until the
> transaction is approved. Because of the way the readers are mounted,
> that latter push is a slightly upwards motion.
>
> I suppose the upwards push is what the card vendors have chosen (without
> telling the customers) to call a "dip".
I had never heard of dipping my card until this thread. Dipping my wick
is a whole nother thing ...
--
Skitt (SF Bay Area)
http://come.to/skitt
John Varela
wrote:
> It there's any sort of problem, the mechanism tends to eat the card,
> which can be a bit awkward when you're in a foreign country. I have also
> from time to time forgotten to remove my card when it has popped back out
> and driven away without it. At least if I dip the card, I never lose
> control of it.
I lost a couple of cards that way, luckily at the bank drive-thru so
there was no problem.
Evidently that sort of thing was common. My bank no longer uses a
motorized ATM and in fact I can't recall the last time I encountered
one.
--
John Varela
Nick Spalding
on Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:34:14 -0800:
I was wondering when that was going to appear.
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
Roland Hutchinson
All (I think) of Citibank's are dip-style. They were early adopters of
"dipping", and promoted it as a security measure: if you have to dip your
card and immediately remove it, you are less likely to leave it behind
and have some unsavory character walk off with it.
--
Roland Hutchinson
He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba,"
... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy.
--Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ )
Robin Bignall
<not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:
> David wrote on Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:52:48 +0000 (UTC):
>
>>> Googlification finds details of "dip card readers". Card
>>> readers appeared to have three possible mechanisms:
>
>> [***]
>
>>> 2. dipping. The user puts the card fully into a slot - a dip
>>> card reader.
>
>> [***]
>
>> It's nice to know that at the age of 73 I'm still learning new
>> things.
>
>Somehow, inserting a card horizontally does not seem like dipping.
Neither does pushing it up from underneath, as happens in my local filling
station.
--
Robin Bignall
(BrE)
Herts, England
James Silverton
>> David wrote on Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:52:48 +0000 (UTC):
>>
>>>> Googlification finds details of "dip card readers". Card
>>>> readers appeared to have three possible mechanisms:
>>
>>> [***]
>>
>>>> 2. dipping. The user puts the card fully into a slot - a
>>>> dip card reader.
>>
>>> [***]
>>
>>> It's nice to know that at the age of 73 I'm still learning
>>> new things.
>>
>> Somehow, inserting a card horizontally does not seem like
>> dipping.
> Neither does pushing it up from underneath, as happens in my
> local filling station.
The ATM's I'm familiar with use a horizontal motion for the card which
disappears into the bowels of the machine. Credit card readers usually
ask you to slide the magnetic strip along a slot either horizontally or
vertically and then to remove the card. Gas stations do expect you to
insert the card, again with a horizontal motion and then ask you to pull
it out quickly. This is, of course, my personal experience around where
I live.
Peter Moylan
> Skitt wrote, in <igfu0m$89r$2...@news.albasani.net>
> on Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:34:14 -0800:
>
>> is a whole nother thing ...
>
> I was wondering when that was going to appear.
I dips me lid.
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
In this part of the world there are ATMs at "retail points of sale"
either set into the wall of the retail building or free-standing
outside. Those are accessible whether the retail establishement is open
or closed. A minority are inside the retail premises.
I know of a few ATMs that are not associated with a single specific
retail premises but are positioned near a cluster of retail premises.
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
The ATMs I'm familiar with now won't dispense the money until the card
has been withdrawn from the machine. It used not to be like that. I once
forgot a card, realised what had happened when I got home half an hour
later and phoned to have the card cancelled. All was well. I just had to
wait a few days for a new card.
Skitt
> "John Varela" wrote:
>> David Hatunen wrote:
>>> It there's any sort of problem, the mechanism tends to eat the card,
>>> which can be a bit awkward when you're in a foreign country. I have also
>>> from time to time forgotten to remove my card when it has popped back out
>>> and driven away without it. At least if I dip the card, I never lose
>>> control of it.
>>
>> I lost a couple of cards that way, luckily at the bank drive-thru so
>> there was no problem.
>>
>> Evidently that sort of thing was common. My bank no longer uses a
>> motorized ATM and in fact I can't recall the last time I encountered
>> one.
>
> The ATMs I'm familiar with now won't dispense the money until the card
> has been withdrawn from the machine. It used not to be like that. I once
> forgot a card, realised what had happened when I got home half an hour
> later and phoned to have the card cancelled. All was well. I just had to
> wait a few days for a new card.
The ATM I use dispenses the money and then asks whether I want to make
another transaction. My card is returned when I indicate that I don't
wish to make another transaction.
the Omrud
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:01:33 +0000, the Omrud wrote:
>
>> I once used an ATM somewhere in the USA (I think it was Florida) on
>> which you had to swipe your card's magnetic stripe, without pushing it
>> into a slot.
>
> This is standard at most vendors, such as supermarkets.
I was specifically referring to a user-operated cash-dispensing ATM, on
which it is unknown in Europe AFAICT.
--
David
Nick Spalding
on Mon, 10 Jan 2011 22:00:37 +0000 (UTC):
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:52:46 +0000, Nick Spalding wrote:
>
> > Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote, in
> > <pucmi6d83tm09d9fs...@4ax.com>
> > on Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:30:00 +0000:
> >
> >> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:27:33 +0000, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)"
> >> <ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >All the ATMs I have used have motorized readers
> >>
> >> A vague recollection suggests that would be safer as "Most of the
> >> ATMs...".
> >
> > My experience is that the ATMs actually attached to a bank premises are
> > all of the motorised sort but the ones in other places are not
> > necessarily.
>
> All (I think) of Citibank's are dip-style. They were early adopters of
> "dipping", and promoted it as a security measure: if you have to dip your
> card and immediately remove it, you are less likely to leave it behind
> and have some unsavory character walk off with it.
I've never seen that sort at all. It is a good idea.
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
tony cooper
wrote:
>Roland Hutchinson wrote, in <igfvi4$sq2$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
Most of the US gasoline pumps that accept credit cards (and almost all
do) require the user to insert the card and remove it quickly. I
can't recall the exact wording, but that's stated by the instructions
on the pumps. The transaction isn't accepted until the card is
removed.
All the pumps I've used have horizontal slots for the card.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
David Hatunen
> Most of the US gasoline pumps that accept credit cards (and almost all
> do) require the user to insert the card and remove it quickly. I can't
> recall the exact wording, but that's stated by the instructions on the
> pumps. The transaction isn't accepted until the card is removed.
>
> All the pumps I've used have horizontal slots for the card.
Odd. All the pumps I've used have vertical slots for the card, i.e., you
hold the card vertically when inserting it.
James Silverton
>> Most of the US gasoline pumps that accept credit cards (and
>> almost all do) require the user to insert the card and remove
>> it quickly. I can't recall the exact wording, but that's
>> stated by the instructions on the pumps. The transaction
>> isn't accepted until the card is removed.
>>
>> All the pumps I've used have horizontal slots for the card.
> Odd. All the pumps I've used have vertical slots for the card,
> i.e., you hold the card vertically when inserting it.
But, insert the card with a horizontal motion :-)
tony cooper
<dhat...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 09:55:35 -0500, tony cooper wrote:
>
>> Most of the US gasoline pumps that accept credit cards (and almost all
>> do) require the user to insert the card and remove it quickly. I can't
>> recall the exact wording, but that's stated by the instructions on the
>> pumps. The transaction isn't accepted until the card is removed.
>>
>> All the pumps I've used have horizontal slots for the card.
>
>Odd. All the pumps I've used have vertical slots for the card, i.e., you
>hold the card vertically when inserting it.
The slot is vertical to the face of the pump, but the motion to insert
it is horizontal. That, as opposed to a slot on a horizontal top
surface where the motion to insert it is vertical.
Evan Kirshenbaum
> Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote, in
> <pucmi6d83tm09d9fs...@4ax.com>
> on Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:30:00 +0000:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:27:33 +0000, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)"
>> <ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
>>
>> >All the ATMs I have used have motorized readers
>>
>> A vague recollection suggests that would be safer as "Most of the
>> ATMs...".
>
> My experience is that the ATMs actually attached to a bank premises
> are all of the motorised sort but the ones in other places are not
> necessarily.
My (small) current bank's ATM's are all swipe-activated, like most POS
readers, with the drawback that you have to reenter your PIN for every
transaction (because they can't know that you haven't just walked
away). The fact that they refund ATM fees worldwide more than makes
up for it.
--
Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
Still with HP Labs |A specification which calls for
SF Bay Area (1982-) |network-wide use of encryption, but
Chicago (1964-1982) |invokes the Tooth Fairy to handle
|key distribution, is a useless
evan.kir...@gmail.com |farce.
| Henry Spencer
http://www.kirshenbaum.net/
Garrett Wollman
Evan Kirshenbaum <evan.kir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>My (small) current bank's ATM's are all swipe-activated, like most POS
>readers, with the drawback that you have to reenter your PIN for every
>transaction (because they can't know that you haven't just walked
>away). The fact that they refund ATM fees worldwide more than makes
>up for it.
The current generation of my (TBTF) current bank's ATMs are a
combination: the "withdrawals-only" units and the drive-through ones
are all "dip" style, but the full-service ATMs are still eat-your-card
style. Often these are side-by-side, and they are clearly of the same
vintage, so it's not a matter of one being older or newer than the
other.
-GAWollman
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
John Varela
Is that a horizontal or vertical motion?
--
John Varela
Irwell
Little boy to mother who has lost her bikini top
in the swimming pool, Diploma.
Skitt
That's positionally dependent.
Urs Beeli
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:27:33 +0000, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote:
>
> > All the ATMs I have used have motorized readers - insert the end of the
> > card and the machine takes it all the way in.
> It there's any sort of problem, the mechanism tends to eat the card,
> which can be a bit awkward when you're in a foreign country. I have also
> from time to time forgotten to remove my card when it has popped back out
> and driven away without it. At least if I dip the card, I never lose
> control of it.
Over here (Switzerland) all ATMs are the motorised "fully-eating" your card
type and are setup such that no money is dispensed until you have retrieved
your card when it is presented to you again precisely to avoid people
grabbing their money and walking away forgetting to retrieve the card.
At EFTPOS terminals (supermarkets etc) I've seen both swipe and
partial-manual-insertion varieties, with the latter slowly replacing the
former.
I have never heard the term "dip" used in relation to ATMs but am happy to
learn something new :-)
Cheers
/urs
--
"Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine."
-- Urs Beeli, Switzerland, AusE
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
wrote:
>On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:00:01 +0000 (UTC) David Hatunen wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:27:33 +0000, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote:
>>
>> > All the ATMs I have used have motorized readers - insert the end of the
>> > card and the machine takes it all the way in.
>>
>> It there's any sort of problem, the mechanism tends to eat the card,
>> which can be a bit awkward when you're in a foreign country. I have also
>> from time to time forgotten to remove my card when it has popped back out
>> and driven away without it. At least if I dip the card, I never lose
>> control of it.
>
>Over here (Switzerland) all ATMs are the motorised "fully-eating" your card
>type and are setup such that no money is dispensed until you have retrieved
>your card when it is presented to you again precisely to avoid people
>grabbing their money and walking away forgetting to retrieve the card.
>
>At EFTPOS terminals (supermarkets etc) I've seen both swipe and
>partial-manual-insertion varieties, with the latter slowly replacing the
>former.
>
>I have never heard the term "dip" used in relation to ATMs but am happy to
>learn something new :-)
>
"Dip" is new to me too.
There seem to be four different types of card reader.
1. Swipe reader.
The card is slid by hand through a slot along the edge nearest the
magnetic stripe.
2. Partial manual insertion motorised reader.
The card is inserted and the machine then takes it fully in.
The card is returned after the PIN has been keyed in and verified.
3. Full insertion.
The card is inserted. After the PIN has been keyed in and verified
the user removes the card.
4. Dip.
The card is inserted and then removed rapidly.
From what has been said here it appears that the action of removal
swipes the card.
Swiping and dipping use the magnetic stripe.
Full insertion uses the electronic chip on the card.
A motorised reader might use the magnetic stripe by swiping the card
itself or it might hold the card in a fixed position to use the chip.[1]
For those unfamiliar with a card with a chip here is an image. There is
a set of contacts just above the first 3-digit group in the card number:
http://www.barcodediscount.com/images/models/md/MagTek/miniport.jpg
[1] IME motorised readers were customary on ATMs in the UK before the
introduction of chips in cards. Those readers would have swiped the card
internally.
David Hatunen
> The ATMs I'm familiar with now won't dispense the money until the card
> has been withdrawn from the machine. It used not to be like that. I once
> forgot a card, realised what had happened when I got home half an hour
> later and phoned to have the card cancelled. All was well. I just had to
> wait a few days for a new card.
My local credit union's drive-up ATMs require that they swallow the card
while processing. At the end of the transaction the card pops out, but
when in the slot it is on edge to me and I notice it as I scoop up my
twenty-dollar notes.
Sometimes then, I drive away and forget the card. If I was using my card
from this credit union it can be a bit of a bother but I can get the card
back the next day. But sometimes I would be using my ATM card from my old
credit union in California, in which case the local credit union shreds
John Varela
wrote:
> My local credit union's drive-up ATMs require that they swallow the card
> while processing. At the end of the transaction the card pops out, but
> when in the slot it is on edge to me and I notice it as I scoop up my
> twenty-dollar notes.
>
> Sometimes then, I drive away and forget the card. If I was using my card
> from this credit union it can be a bit of a bother but I can get the card
> back the next day. But sometimes I would be using my ATM card from my old
> credit union in California, in which case the local credit union shreds
> it.
I drove off and left my SunTrust card in the reader at the local
SunTrust bank several times. The machine shredded the cards. Now the
bank has the dip type readers so the card can't be left behind.
--
John Varela