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Userme
Jul 10, 2021, 8:56:26 AM7/10/21
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Hi
I heard someone describe someone else by saying she is Knifying (wrong spelling). I only heard the word; I do not know how to spell it so I could not google it. Apparently, she mentioned that that other woman is toxic, snake in the grass etc. and then she said she is knifying. Any idea what the word is? Thank you.
I heard someone describe someone else by saying she is Knifying (wrong spelling). I only heard the word; I do not know how to spell it so I could not google it. Apparently, she mentioned that that other woman is toxic, snake in the grass etc. and then she said she is knifying. Any idea what the word is? Thank you.
Jerry Friedman
Jul 10, 2021, 9:06:08 AM7/10/21
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On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-6, Userme wrote:
> Hi
> I heard someone describe someone else by saying she is Knifying (wrong spelling). I only heard the word; I do not know how to spell it so I could not google it. Apparently, she mentioned that that other woman is toxic, snake in the grass etc. and then she said she is knifying. Any idea what the word is? Thank you.
"Conniving"? "To connive at something" used to mean to turn a blind eye
> Hi
> I heard someone describe someone else by saying she is Knifying (wrong spelling). I only heard the word; I do not know how to spell it so I could not google it. Apparently, she mentioned that that other woman is toxic, snake in the grass etc. and then she said she is knifying. Any idea what the word is? Thank you.
to it, but in American English at least, "conniving" now usually means
"scheming".
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Jerry Friedman
occam
Jul 10, 2021, 9:26:04 AM7/10/21
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On 10/07/2021 14:56, Userme wrote:
> Hi
> I heard someone describe someone else by saying she is Knifying (wrong spelling). I only heard the word; I do not know how to spell it so I could not google it. Apparently, she mentioned that that other woman is toxic, snake in the grass etc. and then she said she is knifying. Any idea what the word is? Thank you.
>
Someone who stabs others in the back? Badmouths others behind their
> Hi
> I heard someone describe someone else by saying she is Knifying (wrong spelling). I only heard the word; I do not know how to spell it so I could not google it. Apparently, she mentioned that that other woman is toxic, snake in the grass etc. and then she said she is knifying. Any idea what the word is? Thank you.
>
back with cutting remarks? It looks like a made up verb for 'stabbing
with a knife'.
Userme
Jul 10, 2021, 9:37:03 AM7/10/21
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musika
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Ken Blake
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Lewis
Jul 10, 2021, 12:07:17 PM7/10/21
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In message <87c6bba3-8c98-48a5...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-6, Userme wrote:
>> Hi
>> I heard someone describe someone else by saying she is Knifying (wrong spelling). I only heard the word; I do not know how to spell it so I could not google it. Apparently, she mentioned that that other woman is toxic, snake in the grass etc. and then she said she is knifying. Any idea what the word is? Thank you.
> "Conniving"? "To connive at something" used to mean to turn a blind eye
> to it,
Not exactly. Connive has always meant to do something in SECRET. So, if
> On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-6, Userme wrote:
>> Hi
>> I heard someone describe someone else by saying she is Knifying (wrong spelling). I only heard the word; I do not know how to spell it so I could not google it. Apparently, she mentioned that that other woman is toxic, snake in the grass etc. and then she said she is knifying. Any idea what the word is? Thank you.
> "Conniving"? "To connive at something" used to mean to turn a blind eye
> to it,
you were a security guard and someone came into the bank you were
working at and held it up and ran off with the money and you did
nothing, that was not conniving.
> but in American English at least, "conniving" now usually means
> "scheming".
Also, connive is exclusive to something illegal or immoral, while
conspire can be used for things that are less bad that outright illegal
or immoral or harmful.
You might conspire to get someone kicked out of a club or off a team,
but you connived OR conspire to defraud old people of their pensions.
--
There's no such thing as too much chocolate.
Jerry Friedman
Jul 10, 2021, 2:45:29 PM7/10/21
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On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 10:07:17 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
> In message <87c6bba3-8c98-48a5...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-6, Userme wrote:
> >> Hi
> >> I heard someone describe someone else by saying she is Knifying (wrong spelling). I only heard the word; I do not know how to spell it so I could not google it. Apparently, she mentioned that that other woman is toxic, snake in the grass etc. and then she said she is knifying. Any idea what the word is? Thank you.
>
> > "Conniving"? "To connive at something" used to mean to turn a blind eye
> > to it,
> Not exactly. Connive has always meant to do something in SECRET. So, if
> you were a security guard and someone came into the bank you were
> working at and held it up and ran off with the money and you did
> nothing, that was not conniving.
It has usually but not always meant that. The OED has
> In message <87c6bba3-8c98-48a5...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-6, Userme wrote:
> >> Hi
> >> I heard someone describe someone else by saying she is Knifying (wrong spelling). I only heard the word; I do not know how to spell it so I could not google it. Apparently, she mentioned that that other woman is toxic, snake in the grass etc. and then she said she is knifying. Any idea what the word is? Thank you.
>
> > "Conniving"? "To connive at something" used to mean to turn a blind eye
> > to it,
> Not exactly. Connive has always meant to do something in SECRET. So, if
> you were a security guard and someone came into the bank you were
> working at and held it up and ran off with the money and you did
> nothing, that was not conniving.
1. †b. To shut one's eyes to the faults of, look indulgently /at/ or /on/.
/Obsolete./
1630 P. Massinger /Picture/ sig. G2v Pray you conniue On my weake
tendernesse.
1646 F. Hawkins tr. /Youths Behaviour/ (ed. 4) To Rdr. Gentle Youth, thinke
it not amisse to peruse this Peece, yet connive at the Style; for it hath neede
thereof.
You can find others, though not a lot, by searching for "openly connive" and
such. For instance,
"But when they [certain Baptist congregations] receive Pædobaptists into
communion, they openly connive at what they consider as an error..."
Abraham Booth, /An Apology for the Baptists.../ (1812).
I don't see anything secret there.
The /Manual for Courts-martial, United States/ (2012) gives a sample
explanation for the charge of conniving at a duel. (I trust the language
hasn't been updated in a while, as it defines a duel as prearranged and
involving deadly weapons, which I trust doesn't happen much). It
includes that the accused "did... connive at the fighting of said duel by
(failing to take reasonable preventive action)." Nothing about secrecy.
Failing to report a duel that one knew about in advance is a separate
offense.
https://books.google.com/books?id=3RjxIn18og0C&pg=PA59
> > but in American English at least, "conniving" now usually means
> > "scheming".
> More conspire, I think, but still secretly.
>
> Also, connive is exclusive to something illegal or immoral, while
> conspire can be used for things that are less bad that outright illegal
> or immoral or harmful.
>
> You might conspire to get someone kicked out of a club or off a team,
> but you connived OR conspire to defraud old people of their pensions.
it isn't. Here are the first hits I get at GB in this century:
/Mean Girls All Grown Up: Surviving Catty and Conniving Women/, Hayley
DeMarco. Looks as if it's around the kicking-out-of-the-club level.
/The Case of the Conniving Conundrum/, John Henry Doc Holliday. "Case
#2 in the Hart of the Matter series, pits the dynamic duo against a serial
child kidnapper or something even worse." Crime.
/Work on a Rotten Day: Astrological Advice for Outwitting Conniving
Coworkers, Slacker Staff, and the Boss from Hell/, Hazel Dixon-Cooper.
That could be in various places on the immorality scale.
"Now here is what I mean about being trifling and conniving. The man
works hard for his paycheck, brings it home, and gives it all to you because
he trusts you to pay the bill and do right by him. Noooooo, your trifling and
conniving butt pays something on the bills and then goes to buy some
shoes or clothing you have had your eyes on, and you don't tell him what
you did."
Bernadette Bolden, /Girl Wake Up/. Maybe somewhere between getting
someone kicked out of the club and defrauding old people of their
pensions. No conspiracy involved.
"Everything we have, we have thanks to the conniving of murderous shithead
colonizing ancestors.”
Laird Nelson, /Worse Angels/. Extremely immoral.
Then there are two about a divorcing husband deceiving his wife about
money, which probably are high on the immorality scale. And that's where
I stopped.
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Jerry Friedman
Lewis
Jul 11, 2021, 5:12:14 AM7/11/21
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In message <54c4cc51-c532-45fb...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 10:07:17 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <87c6bba3-8c98-48a5...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-6, Userme wrote:
>> >> Hi
>> >> I heard someone describe someone else by saying she is Knifying (wrong spelling). I only heard the word; I do not know how to spell it so I could not google it. Apparently, she mentioned that that other woman is toxic, snake in the grass etc. and then she said she is knifying. Any idea what the word is? Thank you.
>>
>> > "Conniving"? "To connive at something" used to mean to turn a blind eye
>> > to it,
>> Not exactly. Connive has always meant to do something in SECRET. So, if
>> you were a security guard and someone came into the bank you were
>> working at and held it up and ran off with the money and you did
>> nothing, that was not conniving.
> It has usually but not always meant that. The OED has
I am talking about what it means *now*.
> On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 10:07:17 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <87c6bba3-8c98-48a5...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-6, Userme wrote:
>> >> Hi
>> >> I heard someone describe someone else by saying she is Knifying (wrong spelling). I only heard the word; I do not know how to spell it so I could not google it. Apparently, she mentioned that that other woman is toxic, snake in the grass etc. and then she said she is knifying. Any idea what the word is? Thank you.
>>
>> > "Conniving"? "To connive at something" used to mean to turn a blind eye
>> > to it,
>> Not exactly. Connive has always meant to do something in SECRET. So, if
>> you were a security guard and someone came into the bank you were
>> working at and held it up and ran off with the money and you did
>> nothing, that was not conniving.
> It has usually but not always meant that. The OED has
> /Mean Girls All Grown Up: Surviving Catty and Conniving Women/, Hayley
> DeMarco. Looks as if it's around the kicking-out-of-the-club level.
> /The Case of the Conniving Conundrum/, John Henry Doc Holliday. "Case
> #2 in the Hart of the Matter series, pits the dynamic duo against a serial
> child kidnapper or something even worse." Crime.
> /Work on a Rotten Day: Astrological Advice for Outwitting Conniving
> Coworkers, Slacker Staff, and the Boss from Hell/, Hazel Dixon-Cooper.
> That could be in various places on the immorality scale.
though. the second one I have no idea what they are referring to, but
there does seem to be a criminal aspect so...
> "Now here is what I mean about being trifling and conniving. The man
> works hard for his paycheck, brings it home, and gives it all to you because
> he trusts you to pay the bill and do right by him. Noooooo, your trifling and
> conniving butt pays something on the bills and then goes to buy some
> shoes or clothing you have had your eyes on, and you don't tell him what
> you did."
> Bernadette Bolden, /Girl Wake Up/. Maybe somewhere between getting
> someone kicked out of the club and defrauding old people of their
> pensions. No conspiracy involved.
what it means and has never looked it up to see if they are using it
right. However, it may be this misuse is more common that I think, or
than I have consciously heard.
--
Rule 1 of the Dunning-Kruger club is that you don't know you're a member of
the club.
Jerry Friedman
Jul 11, 2021, 6:52:42 PM7/11/21
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On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 3:12:14 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
> In message <54c4cc51-c532-45fb...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 10:07:17 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
> >> In message <87c6bba3-8c98-48a5...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-6, Userme wrote:
> >> >> Hi
> >> >> I heard someone describe someone else by saying she is Knifying (wrong spelling). I only heard the word; I do not know how to spell it so I could not google it. Apparently, she mentioned that that other woman is toxic, snake in the grass etc. and then she said she is knifying. Any idea what the word is? Thank you.
> >>
> >> > "Conniving"? "To connive at something" used to mean to turn a blind eye
> >> > to it,
>
> >> Not exactly. Connive has always meant to do something in SECRET. So, if
> >> you were a security guard and someone came into the bank you were
> >> working at and held it up and ran off with the money and you did
> >> nothing, that was not conniving.
>
> > It has usually but not always meant that. The OED has
> I am talking about what it means *now*.
When I mentioned what it used to mean, and you said, "It has always meant..."
> In message <54c4cc51-c532-45fb...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 10:07:17 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
> >> In message <87c6bba3-8c98-48a5...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-6, Userme wrote:
> >> >> Hi
> >> >> I heard someone describe someone else by saying she is Knifying (wrong spelling). I only heard the word; I do not know how to spell it so I could not google it. Apparently, she mentioned that that other woman is toxic, snake in the grass etc. and then she said she is knifying. Any idea what the word is? Thank you.
> >>
> >> > "Conniving"? "To connive at something" used to mean to turn a blind eye
> >> > to it,
>
> >> Not exactly. Connive has always meant to do something in SECRET. So, if
> >> you were a security guard and someone came into the bank you were
> >> working at and held it up and ran off with the money and you did
> >> nothing, that was not conniving.
>
> > It has usually but not always meant that. The OED has
> I am talking about what it means *now*.
I sure thought you were also talking about its whole history.
> > /Mean Girls All Grown Up: Surviving Catty and Conniving Women/, Hayley
> > DeMarco. Looks as if it's around the kicking-out-of-the-club level.
>
> > /The Case of the Conniving Conundrum/, John Henry Doc Holliday. "Case
> > #2 in the Hart of the Matter series, pits the dynamic duo against a serial
> > child kidnapper or something even worse." Crime.
>
> > /Work on a Rotten Day: Astrological Advice for Outwitting Conniving
> > Coworkers, Slacker Staff, and the Boss from Hell/, Hazel Dixon-Cooper.
> > That could be in various places on the immorality scale.
> Using the wrong word for alliterative purposes is not that uncommon,,
> though.
> the second one I have no idea what they are referring to, but
> there does seem to be a criminal aspect so...
I feel sure the second one is referring to the kind of co-workers who
mislead and tell lies to look better to the boss, get the tasks they want,
and eventually\ get raises and promotions.
(Fortunately, I haven't experienced those co-workers.)
> > "Now here is what I mean about being trifling and conniving. The man
> > works hard for his paycheck, brings it home, and gives it all to you because
> > he trusts you to pay the bill and do right by him. Noooooo, your trifling and
> > conniving butt pays something on the bills and then goes to buy some
> > shoes or clothing you have had your eyes on, and you don't tell him what
> > you did."
> > Bernadette Bolden, /Girl Wake Up/. Maybe somewhere between getting
> > someone kicked out of the club and defrauding old people of their
> > pensions. No conspiracy involved.
> And I'd guess that is someone who has heard the word and think they know
> what it means and has never looked it up to see if they are using it
> right. However, it may be this misuse is more common that I think, or
> than I have consciously heard.
in the late 20th century or so.
--
Jerry Friedman
Lewis
Jul 12, 2021, 9:03:40 AM7/12/21
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In message <c2387f43-6603-4e48...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 3:12:14 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <54c4cc51-c532-45fb...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 10:07:17 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
>> >> In message <87c6bba3-8c98-48a5...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-6, Userme wrote:
>> >> >> Hi
>> >> >> I heard someone describe someone else by saying she is Knifying (wrong spelling). I only heard the word; I do not know how to spell it so I could not google it. Apparently, she mentioned that that other woman is toxic, snake in the grass etc. and then she said she is knifying. Any idea what the word is? Thank you.
>> >>
>> >> > "Conniving"? "To connive at something" used to mean to turn a blind eye
>> >> > to it,
>>
>> >> Not exactly. Connive has always meant to do something in SECRET. So, if
>> >> you were a security guard and someone came into the bank you were
>> >> working at and held it up and ran off with the money and you did
>> >> nothing, that was not conniving.
>>
>> > It has usually but not always meant that. The OED has
>> I am talking about what it means *now*.
> When I mentioned what it used to mean, and you said, "It has always meant..."
> I sure thought you were also talking about its whole history.
Always as in modern usage. What it meant before anyone now living is not
> On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 3:12:14 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <54c4cc51-c532-45fb...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 10:07:17 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
>> >> In message <87c6bba3-8c98-48a5...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-6, Userme wrote:
>> >> >> Hi
>> >> >> I heard someone describe someone else by saying she is Knifying (wrong spelling). I only heard the word; I do not know how to spell it so I could not google it. Apparently, she mentioned that that other woman is toxic, snake in the grass etc. and then she said she is knifying. Any idea what the word is? Thank you.
>> >>
>> >> > "Conniving"? "To connive at something" used to mean to turn a blind eye
>> >> > to it,
>>
>> >> Not exactly. Connive has always meant to do something in SECRET. So, if
>> >> you were a security guard and someone came into the bank you were
>> >> working at and held it up and ran off with the money and you did
>> >> nothing, that was not conniving.
>>
>> > It has usually but not always meant that. The OED has
>> I am talking about what it means *now*.
> When I mentioned what it used to mean, and you said, "It has always meant..."
> I sure thought you were also talking about its whole history.
really relevant for anything but historical interest.
>> > /Mean Girls All Grown Up: Surviving Catty and Conniving Women/, Hayley
>> > DeMarco. Looks as if it's around the kicking-out-of-the-club level.
>>
>> > /The Case of the Conniving Conundrum/, John Henry Doc Holliday. "Case
>> > #2 in the Hart of the Matter series, pits the dynamic duo against a serial
>> > child kidnapper or something even worse." Crime.
>>
>> > /Work on a Rotten Day: Astrological Advice for Outwitting Conniving
>> > Coworkers, Slacker Staff, and the Boss from Hell/, Hazel Dixon-Cooper.
>> > That could be in various places on the immorality scale.
>> Using the wrong word for alliterative purposes is not that uncommon,,
>> though.
> "Conspiratorial" would work, though it's longer.
>> the second one I have no idea what they are referring to, but
>> there does seem to be a criminal aspect so...
> Your experience of "conniving" has definitely been different from mine.
> I feel sure the second one is referring to the kind of co-workers who
> mislead and tell lies to look better to the boss, get the tasks they want,
> and eventually\ get raises and promotions.
Conundrum, another alliteration.
> (Fortunately, I haven't experienced those co-workers.)
>> > "Now here is what I mean about being trifling and conniving. The man
>> > works hard for his paycheck, brings it home, and gives it all to you because
>> > he trusts you to pay the bill and do right by him. Noooooo, your trifling and
>> > conniving butt pays something on the bills and then goes to buy some
>> > shoes or clothing you have had your eyes on, and you don't tell him what
>> > you did."
>> > Bernadette Bolden, /Girl Wake Up/. Maybe somewhere between getting
>> > someone kicked out of the club and defrauding old people of their
>> > pensions. No conspiracy involved.
>> And I'd guess that is someone who has heard the word and think they know
>> what it means and has never looked it up to see if they are using it
>> right. However, it may be this misuse is more common that I think, or
>> than I have consciously heard.
> I think that's what happened, and the people who never looked it up were
> in the late 20th century or so.
this (mis)use which up until this thread is mostly unfamiliar to me.
"Irregardless" (which I still consider absolutely 100% wrong but have
stopped trying to correct people who aren't my kids who use it) seems
much more common.
--
Young boy sneaks out at night to travel with a stranger
(Polar Express)
Peter Moylan
Jul 12, 2021, 9:13:18 AM7/12/21
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On 13/07/21 00:03, Lewis wrote:
> "Irregardless" (which I still consider absolutely 100% wrong but have
> stopped trying to correct people who aren't my kids who use it) seems
> much more common.
That example belongs in the double negative thread.
> "Irregardless" (which I still consider absolutely 100% wrong but have
> stopped trying to correct people who aren't my kids who use it) seems
> much more common.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
Snidely
Jul 12, 2021, 2:40:26 PM7/12/21
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Lewis speculated:
/dps
--
I have always been glad we weren't killed that night. I do not know
any particular reason, but I have always been glad.
_Roughing It_, Mark Twain
> In message <c2387f43-6603-4e48...@googlegroups.com> Jerry
> Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 3:12:14 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <54c4cc51-c532-45fb...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman
> Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 3:12:14 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <54c4cc51-c532-45fb...@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman
>>>> It has usually but not always meant that. The OED has
>
>>> I am talking about what it means *now*.
>
>> When I mentioned what it used to mean, and you said, "It has always
>> meant..." I sure thought you were also talking about its whole history.
>
> Always as in modern usage. What it meant before anyone now living is not
> really relevant for anything but historical interest.
>
So, "IME"
>
>>> I am talking about what it means *now*.
>
>> When I mentioned what it used to mean, and you said, "It has always
>> meant..." I sure thought you were also talking about its whole history.
>
> Always as in modern usage. What it meant before anyone now living is not
> really relevant for anything but historical interest.
>
/dps
--
I have always been glad we weren't killed that night. I do not know
any particular reason, but I have always been glad.
_Roughing It_, Mark Twain
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