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Mack A. Damia
Jun 21, 2022, 10:40:10 AM6/21/22
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What exactly is it in terms of the sun? Don't understand the Google
babble.
I know it is the longest day.
bert
Jun 21, 2022, 11:24:29 AM6/21/22
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Six months later, the Sun is overhead at its most southerly latitude. Three months before or after these, it is overhead at the Equator.
Jerry Friedman
Jun 21, 2022, 12:42:44 PM6/21/22
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On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 9:24:29 AM UTC-6, bert wrote:
> On Tuesday, 21 June 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+1, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > What exactly is it in terms of the sun? Don't understand the Google
> > babble.
> >
> > I know it is the longest day.
> It's when the Sun is overhead at the most northerly latitude that it ever reaches (Google for Eratosthenes and the well at Syene).
...
> On Tuesday, 21 June 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+1, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > What exactly is it in terms of the sun? Don't understand the Google
> > babble.
> >
> > I know it is the longest day.
> It's when the Sun is overhead at the most northerly latitude that it ever reaches (Google for Eratosthenes and the well at Syene).
Also when the sun at noon is highest in the sky, if you're north of the tropics.
--
Jerry Friedman
Athel Cornish-Bowden
Jun 21, 2022, 12:47:20 PM6/21/22
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--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.
Richard Heathfield
Jun 21, 2022, 1:47:17 PM6/21/22
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keep on going up for another hour. Such is the power of the Time
Lords of Westminster.
--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
Jerry Friedman
Jun 21, 2022, 2:42:00 PM6/21/22
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On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:47:17 AM UTC-6, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 21/06/2022 5:42 pm, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 9:24:29 AM UTC-6, bert wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, 21 June 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+1, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>> What exactly is it in terms of the sun? Don't understand the Google
> >>> babble.
> >>>
> >>> I know it is the longest day.
> >
> >> It's when the Sun is overhead at the most northerly latitude that it ever reaches (Google for Eratosthenes and the well at Syene).
> > ...
> >
> > Also when the sun at noon is highest in the sky, if you're north of the tropics.
> Unless you're observing British Summer Time, in which case it'll
> keep on going up for another hour. Such is the power of the Time
> Lords of Westminster.
Maybe I should have written "When the sun reaches its maximum height in
> On 21/06/2022 5:42 pm, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 9:24:29 AM UTC-6, bert wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, 21 June 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+1, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>> What exactly is it in terms of the sun? Don't understand the Google
> >>> babble.
> >>>
> >>> I know it is the longest day.
> >
> >> It's when the Sun is overhead at the most northerly latitude that it ever reaches (Google for Eratosthenes and the well at Syene).
> > ...
> >
> > Also when the sun at noon is highest in the sky, if you're north of the tropics.
> Unless you're observing British Summer Time, in which case it'll
> keep on going up for another hour. Such is the power of the Time
> Lords of Westminster.
the sky". However, what I wrote is probably literally true--the sun at 12 noon
local time is probably higher on the solstice than on any other day.
Anyway, the sun isn't at its maximum height at 12 local time unless you live
on (or very close to) the central meridian of your time zone.
--
Jerry Friedman
Richard Heathfield
Jun 21, 2022, 2:56:12 PM6/21/22
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to screw things up and quarrel, it's quite remarkable not only
how well the time zone system solves the problem of co-ordinating
time across large societies but also how amicably the entire
world seems to have fallen into agreeing with it.
bil...@shaw.ca
Jun 21, 2022, 3:21:32 PM6/21/22
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On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:56:12 AM UTC-7, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> When you think about it, especially given humanity's propensity
> to screw things up and quarrel, it's quite remarkable not only
> how well the time zone system solves the problem of co-ordinating
> time across large societies but also how amicably the entire
> world seems to have fallen into agreeing with it.
Unless you look it up, of course.
> When you think about it, especially given humanity's propensity
> to screw things up and quarrel, it's quite remarkable not only
> how well the time zone system solves the problem of co-ordinating
> time across large societies but also how amicably the entire
> world seems to have fallen into agreeing with it.
https://world-processor.com/312
bill
Richard Heathfield
Jun 21, 2022, 3:47:58 PM6/21/22
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Sam Plusnet
Jun 21, 2022, 4:05:14 PM6/21/22
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On 21/06/2022 18:47, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 21/06/2022 5:42 pm, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 9:24:29 AM UTC-6, bert wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 21 June 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+1, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>>> What exactly is it in terms of the sun? Don't understand the Google
>>>> babble.
>>>>
>>>> I know it is the longest day.
>>
>>> It's when the Sun is overhead at the most northerly latitude that it
>>> ever reaches (Google for Eratosthenes and the well at Syene).
>> ...
>>
>> Also when the sun at noon is highest in the sky, if you're north of
>> the tropics.
>
> Unless you're observing British Summer Time, in which case it'll keep on
> going up for another hour. Such is the power of the Time Lords of
> Westminster.
>
It's not just the Lords Temporal you have to watch out for.
> On 21/06/2022 5:42 pm, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 9:24:29 AM UTC-6, bert wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 21 June 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+1, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>>> What exactly is it in terms of the sun? Don't understand the Google
>>>> babble.
>>>>
>>>> I know it is the longest day.
>>
>>> It's when the Sun is overhead at the most northerly latitude that it
>>> ever reaches (Google for Eratosthenes and the well at Syene).
>> ...
>>
>> Also when the sun at noon is highest in the sky, if you're north of
>> the tropics.
>
> Unless you're observing British Summer Time, in which case it'll keep on
> going up for another hour. Such is the power of the Time Lords of
> Westminster.
>
lar3ryca
Jun 21, 2022, 4:13:55 PM6/21/22
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On 2022-06-21 13:47, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 21/06/2022 8:21 pm, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:56:12 AM UTC-7, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>
>>> When you think about it, especially given humanity's propensity
>>> to screw things up and quarrel, it's quite remarkable not only
>>> how well the time zone system solves the problem of co-ordinating
>>> time across large societies but also how amicably the entire
>>> world seems to have fallen into agreeing with it.
>>
>> Unless you look it up, of course.
>>
>> https://world-processor.com/312
>
> Ha! Why am I not surprised?!
There's a town on the border of Alberta and Saskatchewan called
> On 21/06/2022 8:21 pm, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:56:12 AM UTC-7, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>
>>> When you think about it, especially given humanity's propensity
>>> to screw things up and quarrel, it's quite remarkable not only
>>> how well the time zone system solves the problem of co-ordinating
>>> time across large societies but also how amicably the entire
>>> world seems to have fallen into agreeing with it.
>>
>> Unless you look it up, of course.
>>
>> https://world-processor.com/312
>
> Ha! Why am I not surprised?!
Lloydminster.
"Lloydminster is a Canadian city which has the unusual geographic
distinction of straddling the provincial border between Alberta and
Saskatchewan. The city is incorporated by both provinces as a single
city with a single municipal administration."
The Saskatchewan part of the town follows Alberta in the case of time
changes and provincial sales tax.
Alberta changes time (Mountain Standard and Mountain Daylight), and has
no provincial sales tax.
Saskatchewan is permanently on Central Standard Time, and has a
Provincial Sales Tax of 6%.
--
Easy as 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884
J. J. Lodder
Jun 21, 2022, 4:51:32 PM6/21/22
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Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What exactly is it in terms of the sun? Don't understand the Google
> babble.
Technically speaking it is the moment when the sun reaches its maximum
> What exactly is it in terms of the sun? Don't understand the Google
> babble.
declination.
This has happened this Tuesday, 21 June 2022, at 09:13 UTC
> I know it is the longest day.
Again, technically, days have nothing to do with it.
It is all about the sun,
Jan
lar3ryca
Jun 21, 2022, 5:42:33 PM6/21/22
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On 2022-06-21 14:51, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> What exactly is it in terms of the sun? Don't understand the Google
>> babble.
>
> Technically speaking it is the moment when the sun reaches its maximum
> declination.
> This has happened this Tuesday, 21 June 2022, at 09:13 UTC
>
>> I know it is the longest day.
>
> May depend on where you are.
Well, yes. It's the longest day (ie. daylight) in the northern
> Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> What exactly is it in terms of the sun? Don't understand the Google
>> babble.
>
> Technically speaking it is the moment when the sun reaches its maximum
> declination.
> This has happened this Tuesday, 21 June 2022, at 09:13 UTC
>
>> I know it is the longest day.
>
> May depend on where you are.
hemisphere, and the shortest in the southern hemisphere.
> Again, technically, days have nothing to do with it.
> It is all about the sun,
the tilt of the Earth's axis with respect to the sun.
--
The universe is made up of protons, neutrons, electrons and morons.
Richard Heathfield
Jun 21, 2022, 8:01:55 PM6/21/22
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On 21/06/2022 9:13 pm, lar3ryca wrote:
> There's a town on the border of Alberta and Saskatchewan called
> Lloydminster.
>
> "Lloydminster is a Canadian city which has the unusual geographic
> distinction of straddling the provincial border between Alberta
> and Saskatchewan. The city is incorporated by both provinces as a
> single city with a single municipal administration."
>
> The Saskatchewan part of the town follows Alberta in the case of
> time changes and provincial sales tax.
>
> Alberta changes time (Mountain Standard and Mountain Daylight),
> and has no provincial sales tax.
>
> Saskatchewan is permanently on Central Standard Time, and has a
> Provincial Sales Tax of 6%.
That must generate a lot of cross-town traffic.
> There's a town on the border of Alberta and Saskatchewan called
> Lloydminster.
>
> "Lloydminster is a Canadian city which has the unusual geographic
> distinction of straddling the provincial border between Alberta
> and Saskatchewan. The city is incorporated by both provinces as a
> single city with a single municipal administration."
>
> The Saskatchewan part of the town follows Alberta in the case of
> time changes and provincial sales tax.
>
> Alberta changes time (Mountain Standard and Mountain Daylight),
> and has no provincial sales tax.
>
> Saskatchewan is permanently on Central Standard Time, and has a
> Provincial Sales Tax of 6%.
Jerry Friedman
Jun 21, 2022, 8:17:28 PM6/21/22
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On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 6:01:55 PM UTC-6, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 21/06/2022 9:13 pm, lar3ryca wrote:
> > There's a town on the border of Alberta and Saskatchewan called
> > Lloydminster.
> >
> > "Lloydminster is a Canadian city which has the unusual geographic
> > distinction of straddling the provincial border between Alberta
> > and Saskatchewan. The city is incorporated by both provinces as a
> > single city with a single municipal administration."
> >
> > The Saskatchewan part of the town follows Alberta in the case of
> > time changes and provincial sales tax.
> >
> > Alberta changes time (Mountain Standard and Mountain Daylight),
> > and has no provincial sales tax.
> >
> > Saskatchewan is permanently on Central Standard Time, and has a
> > Provincial Sales Tax of 6%.
> That must generate a lot of cross-town traffic.
Looks to me as if it avoids generating cross-town traffic.
> On 21/06/2022 9:13 pm, lar3ryca wrote:
> > There's a town on the border of Alberta and Saskatchewan called
> > Lloydminster.
> >
> > "Lloydminster is a Canadian city which has the unusual geographic
> > distinction of straddling the provincial border between Alberta
> > and Saskatchewan. The city is incorporated by both provinces as a
> > single city with a single municipal administration."
> >
> > The Saskatchewan part of the town follows Alberta in the case of
> > time changes and provincial sales tax.
> >
> > Alberta changes time (Mountain Standard and Mountain Daylight),
> > and has no provincial sales tax.
> >
> > Saskatchewan is permanently on Central Standard Time, and has a
> > Provincial Sales Tax of 6%.
> That must generate a lot of cross-town traffic.
--
Jerry Friedman
Richard Heathfield
Jun 21, 2022, 8:22:43 PM6/21/22
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On 22/06/2022 1:17 am, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 6:01:55 PM UTC-6, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 21/06/2022 9:13 pm, lar3ryca wrote:
>>> There's a town on the border of Alberta and Saskatchewan called
>>> Lloydminster.
>>>
>>> "Lloydminster is a Canadian city which has the unusual geographic
>>> distinction of straddling the provincial border between Alberta
>>> and Saskatchewan. The city is incorporated by both provinces as a
>>> single city with a single municipal administration."
>>>
+++
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 6:01:55 PM UTC-6, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 21/06/2022 9:13 pm, lar3ryca wrote:
>>> There's a town on the border of Alberta and Saskatchewan called
>>> Lloydminster.
>>>
>>> "Lloydminster is a Canadian city which has the unusual geographic
>>> distinction of straddling the provincial border between Alberta
>>> and Saskatchewan. The city is incorporated by both provinces as a
>>> single city with a single municipal administration."
>>>
>>> The Saskatchewan part of the town follows Alberta in the case of
>>> time changes and provincial sales tax.
+++
>>> time changes and provincial sales tax.
>>>
>>> Alberta changes time (Mountain Standard and Mountain Daylight),
>>> and has no provincial sales tax.
>>>
>>> Saskatchewan is permanently on Central Standard Time, and has a
>>> Provincial Sales Tax of 6%.
>
>> That must generate a lot of cross-town traffic.
>
> Looks to me as if it avoids generating cross-town traffic.
Yes. I misread the marked paragraph.
>>> Alberta changes time (Mountain Standard and Mountain Daylight),
>>> and has no provincial sales tax.
>>>
>>> Saskatchewan is permanently on Central Standard Time, and has a
>>> Provincial Sales Tax of 6%.
>
>> That must generate a lot of cross-town traffic.
>
> Looks to me as if it avoids generating cross-town traffic.
Mack A. Damia
Jun 21, 2022, 8:36:58 PM6/21/22
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different time zone than the rest of Mexico. We have Pacific Standard
(or Daylight) Time, same as Southern California.
The reason is that many day laborers cross the border everyday to work
in SOCAL (both ways), and not being in synch would create havoc.
Tijuana is in Baja, and that is the busiest border crossing in the
world.
The Mexican president has proposed doing away with Daylight Savings
Time, and I believe the legislature has taken it up for debate. I
don't know what the effect on the workers would be. Maybe the state
can operate as usual with an exception to the proposed change.
Peter Moylan
Jun 21, 2022, 9:38:03 PM6/21/22
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celebration. From now on, the days will be getting longer, and we'll be
getting more sunlight each day.
In a sense, the winter solstice marks the beginning of summer.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
Ruud Harmsen
Jun 22, 2022, 1:15:52 AM6/22/22
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Tue, 21 Jun 2022 22:51:28 +0200: nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) scribeva:
... which causes the days to be longer, so days do have a lot to do
with it.
Moreover, it has nothing to do with the Sun, which doesn't change
position. It's Earth that progresses along its orbit, and keeps the
same side towards the universe, therefore a different side to the Sun.
While turning, in addition to that.
So what it really has to do with, is not the days, not the Sun, not
the Earth, but its rotation axis.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com
Lodder) scribeva:
with it.
Moreover, it has nothing to do with the Sun, which doesn't change
position. It's Earth that progresses along its orbit, and keeps the
same side towards the universe, therefore a different side to the Sun.
While turning, in addition to that.
So what it really has to do with, is not the days, not the Sun, not
the Earth, but its rotation axis.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com
Kerr-Mudd, John
Jun 22, 2022, 3:49:20 AM6/22/22
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 07:15:46 +0200
Ruud Harmsen <r...@rudhar.com> wrote:
> Tue, 21 Jun 2022 22:51:28 +0200: nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
> Lodder) scribeva:
>
> >Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What exactly is it in terms of the sun? Don't understand the Google
> >> babble.
> >
> >Technically speaking it is the moment when the sun reaches its maximum
> >declination.
> >This has happened this Tuesday, 21 June 2022, at 09:13 UTC
> >
> >> I know it is the longest day.
> >
> >May depend on where you are.
> >Again, technically, days have nothing to do with it.
> >It is all about the sun,
>
> ... which causes the days to be longer, so days do have a lot to do
> with it.
>
> Moreover, it has nothing to do with the Sun, which doesn't change
> position. It's Earth that progresses along its orbit, and keeps the
As we're all being pedantic here, the Sun is part of the Local Group and that's travelling at a fair lick. (but, yes this has no bearing on the solstice). A DJ on local radio [who also presents their science program] said how as it's the longest day, he was playing longer songs. He went on to say it was to celebrate the equinox. Argh!
Ruud Harmsen <r...@rudhar.com> wrote:
> Tue, 21 Jun 2022 22:51:28 +0200: nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
> Lodder) scribeva:
>
> >Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What exactly is it in terms of the sun? Don't understand the Google
> >> babble.
> >
> >Technically speaking it is the moment when the sun reaches its maximum
> >declination.
> >This has happened this Tuesday, 21 June 2022, at 09:13 UTC
> >
> >> I know it is the longest day.
> >
> >May depend on where you are.
> >Again, technically, days have nothing to do with it.
> >It is all about the sun,
>
> ... which causes the days to be longer, so days do have a lot to do
> with it.
>
> Moreover, it has nothing to do with the Sun, which doesn't change
> position. It's Earth that progresses along its orbit, and keeps the
> same side towards the universe, therefore a different side to the Sun.
> While turning, in addition to that.
>
> So what it really has to do with, is not the days, not the Sun, not
> the Earth, but its rotation axis.
> --
> Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
Kerr-Mudd, John
Jun 22, 2022, 3:58:38 AM6/22/22
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:36:47 -0700
[was timezones]
'different ...from' tick
'different ...to' cross
'different ...than' cross
Though some other people's opinions seem to differ from day to day.
[was timezones]
> Some border states in Mexico such as the one I live in (Baja) are in a
> different time zone than the rest of Mexico.
Pet Peeve:
> different time zone than the rest of Mexico.
'different ...from' tick
'different ...to' cross
'different ...than' cross
Though some other people's opinions seem to differ from day to day.
Kerr-Mudd, John
Jun 22, 2022, 4:02:06 AM6/22/22
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Sn!pe
Jun 22, 2022, 6:57:24 AM6/22/22
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Kerr-Mudd, John <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
[...]
> Pet Peeve:
> 'different ...from' tick
> 'different ...to' cross
> 'different ...than' cross
>
> Though some other people's opinions seem to differ from day to day.
A lurker writes:
I agree with you: it differs from; it is similar to.
--
^Ï^ Slava Ukraini
My pet rock Gordon just is.
[...]
> Pet Peeve:
> 'different ...from' tick
> 'different ...to' cross
> 'different ...than' cross
>
> Though some other people's opinions seem to differ from day to day.
I agree with you: it differs from; it is similar to.
--
^Ï^ Slava Ukraini
My pet rock Gordon just is.
CDB
Jun 22, 2022, 8:08:22 AM6/22/22
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On 6/22/2022 3:58 AM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [was timezones]
>> Some border states in Mexico such as the one I live in (Baja) are
>> in a different time zone than the rest of Mexico.
> Pet Peeve: 'different ...from' tick 'different ...to' cross
> 'different ...than' cross
> Though some other people's opinions seem to differ from day to day.
"Different than" is a NAmEism, but IMO a reasonable one, allowing
> Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [was timezones]
>> Some border states in Mexico such as the one I live in (Baja) are
>> in a different time zone than the rest of Mexico.
> Pet Peeve: 'different ...from' tick 'different ...to' cross
> 'different ...than' cross
> Though some other people's opinions seem to differ from day to day.
"different" to apply to clauses.
The time zone is not different *from* the rest of Mexico, but border
states are in a different time zone *than* the rest of Mexico [is].
lar3ryca
Jun 22, 2022, 9:23:16 AM6/22/22
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Another one that drives me batty is "in connection to".
--
I recenly heard that scientists have isolated the gene that makes
scientists want to isolate genes.
Mack A. Damia
Jun 22, 2022, 11:13:32 AM6/22/22
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 07:23:11 -0600, lar3ryca <la...@invalid.ca> wrote:
>On 2022-06-22 06:08, CDB wrote:
>> On 6/22/2022 3:58 AM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>> Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [was timezones]
>>
>>>> Some border states in Mexico such as the one I live in (Baja) are in
>>>> a different time zone than the rest of Mexico.
>>
>>> Pet Peeve: 'different ...from' tick 'different ...to' cross
>>> 'different ...than' cross
>>
>>> Though some other people's opinions seem to differ from day to day.
>>
>>
>> "Different than" is a NAmEism, but IMO a reasonable one, allowing
>> "different" to apply to clauses.
>>
>> The time zone is not different *from* the rest of Mexico, but border
>> states are in a different time zone *than* the rest of Mexico [is].
>
>I agree.
Yes.
>On 2022-06-22 06:08, CDB wrote:
>> On 6/22/2022 3:58 AM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>> Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [was timezones]
>>
>>>> Some border states in Mexico such as the one I live in (Baja) are in
>>>> a different time zone than the rest of Mexico.
>>
>>> Pet Peeve: 'different ...from' tick 'different ...to' cross
>>> 'different ...than' cross
>>
>>> Though some other people's opinions seem to differ from day to day.
>>
>>
>> "Different than" is a NAmEism, but IMO a reasonable one, allowing
>> "different" to apply to clauses.
>>
>> The time zone is not different *from* the rest of Mexico, but border
>> states are in a different time zone *than* the rest of Mexico [is].
>
>I agree.
"Both different from and different than are accepted in standard
American English, and both have been in use for the last 300 years."
https://www.thesaurus.com/e/grammar/different-from-vs-different-than/
What is important in conversational English is that it is clear,
concise and understandable.
(Aside: Thomas Jefferson supposedly said, "“The most valuable of all
talents is that of never using two words when one will do.” I had
poster with the quote decades ago)
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/14310-the-most-valuable-of-all-talents-is-that-of-never
Lewis
Jun 22, 2022, 1:11:47 PM6/22/22
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In message <20220622084915.eff1...@127.0.0.1> Kerr-Mudd, John <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> As we're all being pedantic here, the Sun is part of the Local Group
> and that's travelling at a fair lick. (but, yes this has no bearing on
> the solstice). A DJ on local radio [who also presents their science
> program] said how as it's the longest day, he was playing longer
> songs. He went on to say it was to celebrate the equinox. Argh!
this use of equinox seems to be very common. I know that at least twice
> As we're all being pedantic here, the Sun is part of the Local Group
> and that's travelling at a fair lick. (but, yes this has no bearing on
> the solstice). A DJ on local radio [who also presents their science
> program] said how as it's the longest day, he was playing longer
> songs. He went on to say it was to celebrate the equinox. Argh!
I have attended an "equinox" event in December, for example. Granted,
one of them was called that specifically to see how many people would
object to the name (not many was the answer).
--
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Lewis
Jun 22, 2022, 1:15:59 PM6/22/22
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In message <20220622085834.53b4...@127.0.0.1> Kerr-Mudd, John <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:36:47 -0700
> Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [was timezones]
>> Some border states in Mexico such as the one I live in (Baja) are in a
>> different time zone than the rest of Mexico.
> Pet Peeve:
> 'different ...from' tick
Yes.
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:36:47 -0700
> Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [was timezones]
>> Some border states in Mexico such as the one I live in (Baja) are in a
>> different time zone than the rest of Mexico.
> Pet Peeve:
> 'different ...from' tick
> 'different ...to' cross
Eh. Sure, at least in more formal writing. I am sure I can find plenty
of examples going back long before anyone alive now was born, however.
> 'different ...than' cross
No, not at all; "different than' is bog-standard English.
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lar3ryca
Jun 22, 2022, 1:20:48 PM6/22/22
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- Mark Twain
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lar3ryca
Jun 22, 2022, 1:26:47 PM6/22/22
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On 2022-06-22 09:13, Mack A. Damia wrote:
Why use one word when three will do...
Potato: pomme de terre
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saying how crazy it is?
lar3ryca
Jun 22, 2022, 1:29:07 PM6/22/22
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On 2022-06-22 11:11, Lewis wrote:
> In message <20220622084915.eff1...@127.0.0.1> Kerr-Mudd, John <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> As we're all being pedantic here, the Sun is part of the Local Group
>> and that's travelling at a fair lick. (but, yes this has no bearing on
>> the solstice). A DJ on local radio [who also presents their science
>> program] said how as it's the longest day, he was playing longer
>> songs. He went on to say it was to celebrate the equinox. Argh!
>
> this use of equinox seems to be very common. I know that at least twice
> I have attended an "equinox" event in December, for example. Granted,
> one of them was called that specifically to see how many people would
> object to the name (not many was the answer).
I wonder how many of them would not even blink if they saw an
> In message <20220622084915.eff1...@127.0.0.1> Kerr-Mudd, John <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> As we're all being pedantic here, the Sun is part of the Local Group
>> and that's travelling at a fair lick. (but, yes this has no bearing on
>> the solstice). A DJ on local radio [who also presents their science
>> program] said how as it's the longest day, he was playing longer
>> songs. He went on to say it was to celebrate the equinox. Argh!
>
> this use of equinox seems to be very common. I know that at least twice
> I have attended an "equinox" event in December, for example. Granted,
> one of them was called that specifically to see how many people would
> object to the name (not many was the answer).
announcement of the Tuktoyaktuk Summer Star Party.
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Mack A. Damia
Jun 22, 2022, 3:22:45 PM6/22/22
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John's hat = El sombrero de Juan.
Peter Moylan
Jun 22, 2022, 9:25:05 PM6/22/22
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On 23/06/22 03:15, Lewis wrote:
> In message <20220622085834.53b4...@127.0.0.1> Kerr-Mudd, John <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:36:47 -0700
>> Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> [was timezones]
>>> Some border states in Mexico such as the one I live in (Baja) are in a
>>> different time zone than the rest of Mexico.
>
>> Pet Peeve:
>> 'different ...from' tick
>
> Yes.
>
>> 'different ...to' cross
>
> Eh. Sure, at least in more formal writing. I am sure I can find plenty
> of examples going back long before anyone alive now was born, however.
>
>> 'different ...than' cross
>
> No, not at all; "different than' is bog-standard English.
Not in Australian bogs.
> In message <20220622085834.53b4...@127.0.0.1> Kerr-Mudd, John <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:36:47 -0700
>> Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> [was timezones]
>>> Some border states in Mexico such as the one I live in (Baja) are in a
>>> different time zone than the rest of Mexico.
>
>> Pet Peeve:
>> 'different ...from' tick
>
> Yes.
>
>> 'different ...to' cross
>
> Eh. Sure, at least in more formal writing. I am sure I can find plenty
> of examples going back long before anyone alive now was born, however.
>
>> 'different ...than' cross
>
> No, not at all; "different than' is bog-standard English.
Peter Moylan
Jun 22, 2022, 9:31:12 PM6/22/22
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On 23/06/22 03:11, Lewis wrote:
> In message <20220622084915.eff1...@127.0.0.1>
> Kerr-Mudd, John <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> As we're all being pedantic here, the Sun is part of the Local
>> Group and that's travelling at a fair lick. (but, yes this has no
>> bearing on the solstice). A DJ on local radio [who also presents
>> their science program] said how as it's the longest day, he was
>> playing longer songs. He went on to say it was to celebrate the
>> equinox. Argh!
>
> this use of equinox seems to be very common. I know that at least
> twice I have attended an "equinox" event in December, for example.
> Granted, one of them was called that specifically to see how many
> people would object to the name (not many was the answer).
There are jokes built around lulling people into not noticing an
> In message <20220622084915.eff1...@127.0.0.1>
> Kerr-Mudd, John <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> As we're all being pedantic here, the Sun is part of the Local
>> Group and that's travelling at a fair lick. (but, yes this has no
>> bearing on the solstice). A DJ on local radio [who also presents
>> their science program] said how as it's the longest day, he was
>> playing longer songs. He went on to say it was to celebrate the
>> equinox. Argh!
>
> this use of equinox seems to be very common. I know that at least
> twice I have attended an "equinox" event in December, for example.
> Granted, one of them was called that specifically to see how many
> people would object to the name (not many was the answer).
incorrect statement.
How many goats did Moses take on the Ark?
lar3ryca
Jun 22, 2022, 11:23:28 PM6/22/22
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Bathroom faucet handle: Poignée de robinet de salle de bain
Handle of the faucet of the room of the bath.
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Peter Moylan
Jun 23, 2022, 12:36:59 AM6/23/22
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On 23/06/22 03:26, lar3ryca wrote:
>
> And then there's French, which seems to have the opposite philosophy.
> Why use one word when three will do...
>
> Potato: pomme de terre
orange: pomme de Chine.
>
> And then there's French, which seems to have the opposite philosophy.
> Why use one word when three will do...
>
> Potato: pomme de terre
Oh, wait, that's Dutch.
Rich Ulrich
Jun 23, 2022, 2:30:54 AM6/23/22
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Rich Ulrich
CDB
Jun 23, 2022, 6:59:59 AM6/23/22
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On 6/22/2022 9:25 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
> Lewis wrote:
> Lewis wrote:
>> Kerr-Mudd, John <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>> Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> [was timezones]
>>>> Some border states in Mexico such as the one I live in (Baja)
>>>> are in a different time zone than the rest of Mexico.
>>> Pet Peeve: 'different ...from' tick
>> Yes.
>>> 'different ...to' cross
>> Eh. Sure, at least in more formal writing. I am sure I can find
>> plenty of examples going back long before anyone alive now was
>> born, however.
>>> 'different ...than' cross
>> No, not at all; "different than' is bog-standard English.
> Not in Australian bogs.
You need to think outside the bogs.
>>> Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> [was timezones]
>>>> Some border states in Mexico such as the one I live in (Baja)
>>>> are in a different time zone than the rest of Mexico.
>>> Pet Peeve: 'different ...from' tick
>> Yes.
>>> 'different ...to' cross
>> Eh. Sure, at least in more formal writing. I am sure I can find
>> plenty of examples going back long before anyone alive now was
>> born, however.
>>> 'different ...than' cross
>> No, not at all; "different than' is bog-standard English.
> Not in Australian bogs.
Peter Moylan
Jun 23, 2022, 8:14:14 AM6/23/22
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some of my best thinking while sitting on the bog.
Peter T. Daniels
Jun 23, 2022, 10:22:07 AM6/23/22
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On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 9:25:05 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 23/06/22 03:15, Lewis wrote:
> > In message <20220622085834.53b4...@127.0.0.1> Kerr-Mudd, John <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:36:47 -0700
> >> Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> [was timezones]
> >>> Some border states in Mexico such as the one I live in (Baja) are in a
> >>> different time zone than the rest of Mexico.
> >> Pet Peeve:
> >> 'different ...from' tick
> > Yes.
> >> 'different ...to' cross
"Tick Cross Cross" brought nothing to mind except *Tick Tick
> On 23/06/22 03:15, Lewis wrote:
> > In message <20220622085834.53b4...@127.0.0.1> Kerr-Mudd, John <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:36:47 -0700
> >> Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> [was timezones]
> >>> Some border states in Mexico such as the one I live in (Baja) are in a
> >>> different time zone than the rest of Mexico.
> >> Pet Peeve:
> >> 'different ...from' tick
> > Yes.
> >> 'different ...to' cross
Boom*, Lin-Manuel Miranda's film directorial debut.
> > Eh. Sure, at least in more formal writing. I am sure I can find plenty
> > of examples going back long before anyone alive now was born, however.
> >> 'different ...than' cross
> > No, not at all; "different than' is bog-standard English.
>
> Not in Australian bogs.
J. J. Lodder
Jun 24, 2022, 5:36:50 AM6/24/22
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lar3ryca <la...@invalid.ca> wrote:
> hemisphere, and the shortest in the southern hemisphere.
Yes, that too. The point was that the solstitice is not a day,
it is an instant in time.
So it will happen on different calendar days
in different parts of the world.
> > Again, technically, days have nothing to do with it.
> > It is all about the sun,
>
> Actually, It has little to do with the sun, but everything to do with
> the tilt of the Earth's axis with respect to the sun.
Not with the sun. It is the tilt of the polar axis of the earth
with respect to its orbital plane.
Jan
> >> What exactly is it in terms of the sun? Don't understand the Google
> >> babble.
> >
> >> babble.
> >
> > Technically speaking it is the moment when the sun reaches its maximum
> > declination.
> > This has happened this Tuesday, 21 June 2022, at 09:13 UTC
> >
> > declination.
> > This has happened this Tuesday, 21 June 2022, at 09:13 UTC
> >
> >> I know it is the longest day.
> >
> >
> > May depend on where you are.
>
> Well, yes. It's the longest day (ie. daylight) in the northern
>
> hemisphere, and the shortest in the southern hemisphere.
Yes, that too. The point was that the solstitice is not a day,
it is an instant in time.
So it will happen on different calendar days
in different parts of the world.
> > Again, technically, days have nothing to do with it.
> > It is all about the sun,
>
> the tilt of the Earth's axis with respect to the sun.
Not with the sun. It is the tilt of the polar axis of the earth
with respect to its orbital plane.
Jan
J. J. Lodder
Jun 24, 2022, 5:36:50 AM6/24/22
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Lewis <g.k...@gmail.dontemailme.com> wrote:
> In message <20220622084915.eff1e776a5bc6f9a07c1c176 Kerr-Mudd, John:
it doesn't come with lots of food and drink,
like the short one,
Jan
> In message <20220622084915.eff1e776a5bc6f9a07c1c176 Kerr-Mudd, John:
> > As we're all being pedantic here, the Sun is part of the Local Group
> > and that's travelling at a fair lick. (but, yes this has no bearing on
> > the solstice). A DJ on local radio [who also presents their science
> > program] said how as it's the longest day, he was playing longer
> > songs. He went on to say it was to celebrate the equinox. Argh!
>
> this use of equinox seems to be very common. I know that at least twice
> I have attended an "equinox" event in December, for example. Granted,
> one of them was called that specifically to see how many people would
> object to the name (not many was the answer).
That longest one is a worthless equinox anyway.
> > and that's travelling at a fair lick. (but, yes this has no bearing on
> > the solstice). A DJ on local radio [who also presents their science
> > program] said how as it's the longest day, he was playing longer
> > songs. He went on to say it was to celebrate the equinox. Argh!
>
> this use of equinox seems to be very common. I know that at least twice
> I have attended an "equinox" event in December, for example. Granted,
> one of them was called that specifically to see how many people would
> object to the name (not many was the answer).
it doesn't come with lots of food and drink,
like the short one,
Jan
CDB
Jun 24, 2022, 7:32:40 AM6/24/22
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On 6/23/2022 8:14 AM, Peter Moylan wrote:
from swampy ground.
> CDB wrote:
>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> Lewis wrote:
>>>> Kerr-Mudd, John <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>>> Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> [was timezones]
>>>>>> Some border states in Mexico such as the one I live in
>>>>>> (Baja) are in a different time zone than the rest of
>>>>>> Mexico.
>>>>> Pet Peeve: 'different ...from' tick
>>>> Yes.
>>>>> 'different ...to' cross
>>>> Eh. Sure, at least in more formal writing. I am sure I can
>>>> find plenty of examples going back long before anyone alive now
>>>> was born, however.
>>>>> 'different ...than' cross
>>>> No, not at all; "different than' is bog-standard English.
>>> Not in Australian bogs.
>> You need to think outside the bogs.
> Good advice, no doubt, but not always easy to put into practice. I
> do some of my best thinking while sitting on the bog.
I did some good thinking on camping trips. You dig your latrine far
>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> Lewis wrote:
>>>> Kerr-Mudd, John <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>>> Mack A. Damia <drstee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> [was timezones]
>>>>>> Some border states in Mexico such as the one I live in
>>>>>> (Baja) are in a different time zone than the rest of
>>>>>> Mexico.
>>>>> Pet Peeve: 'different ...from' tick
>>>> Yes.
>>>>> 'different ...to' cross
>>>> Eh. Sure, at least in more formal writing. I am sure I can
>>>> find plenty of examples going back long before anyone alive now
>>>> was born, however.
>>>>> 'different ...than' cross
>>>> No, not at all; "different than' is bog-standard English.
>>> Not in Australian bogs.
>> You need to think outside the bogs.
> Good advice, no doubt, but not always easy to put into practice. I
> do some of my best thinking while sitting on the bog.
from swampy ground.
Mack A. Damia
Jun 24, 2022, 10:27:06 AM6/24/22
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CDB
Jun 24, 2022, 11:09:55 AM6/24/22
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On 6/24/2022 10:26 AM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
Oh no, not the rotunda!
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J. J. Lodder
Jun 24, 2022, 2:07:18 PM6/24/22
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Jan
[1] IIRC from the books it was one of the many mistakes
made by the British in the Boer Wars.
J. J. Lodder
Jun 24, 2022, 2:07:18 PM6/24/22
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to think up another question,
after Williamandmary had answered their original one.
They couldn't find it in their bogs,
Jan
CDB
Jun 25, 2022, 6:03:06 AM6/25/22
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On 6/24/2022 2:07 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
And bongs hadn't been invented; so they could be found in bondage a
while longer.
while longer.
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