a round of sandwiches in British English

[Yurui Liu]

If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?

[charles]

In article <a176d9c1-839a-452f...@googlegroups.com>,

Yurui Liu <liuyur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
> how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?

a "round" is normally made from two slices of bread, It might be divided
into 2 or 4 portions.

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From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

[Leslie Danks]

Yurui Liu wrote:

> If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
> how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?

I understand a round of sandwiches to be made using two slices of sliced
bread. This will then be cut into halves, quarters or quarters
diagonally depending on local custom. I believe some people think that
diagonally is posher. Since a sandwich (IMO) is a single item, a round
of sandwiches can consist of one, two or four individual sandwiches. I
doubt that it is possible to use "round" in connection with other types
of sandwich, but it wouldn't surprise me if someone decided to lecture
us on the meaning of a "round of submarine" or "haburger", etc.

--
Leslie (Les) Danks (BrE)
Purity is chemistry's essential Platonic rabbit.

[Guy Barry]

"Yurui Liu" wrote in message
news:a176d9c1-839a-452f...@googlegroups.com...

>
>If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
>how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?

However many sandwiches the person made for the round. It's not a fixed
number. Cf. "round of drinks".

--
Guy Barry

[William]

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 4:50:51 PM UTC+1, Yurui Liu wrote:
> If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
>
> how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?

A "round" is a full sandwich - made from two slices of bread, with the filling between. It may be cut into two halves or four quarters; so some people may call it two or four sandwiches, but it's still one round.

--
William

[Richard Yates]

On Sun, 11 May 2014 17:06:45 +0100, charles
<cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <a176d9c1-839a-452f...@googlegroups.com>,
> Yurui Liu <liuyur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
>> how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?
>
>a "round" is normally made from two slices of bread, It might be divided
>into 2 or 4 portions.

That meaning of "round" is completely unknown to me (AmE). The closest
that I could come to deciphering it was by analogy to a "round of
drinks" which means that everyone present gets one. I guess that was
wrong.

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

Yes. It comes from a "round of bread".

OED:

round, n.1.

4.e. A slice of bread, originally as cut from a round loaf; a slice
of toast. Cf. sense 29c.With reference to toast, now often with
the implication of a single serving, overlapping with branch VI.
(cf. sense 29c), and in some recent examples not necessarily
suggesting a single slice.

1769 H. Brooke Fool of Quality IV. 239 He carried a large Round
of Bread and Butter in one Hand.
1828 S. T. Coleridge Coll. Lett. (1971) VI. 772 Your Letter by
this morning's Post made me eat my Round of Toast and sip my Cups
of Tea in gladsomeness of heart.
1841 Dickens Barnaby Rudge iv. 260 A couple of rounds of
buttered toast.
a1845 R. H. Barham Knight & Lady in Ingoldsby Legends (1847) 3rd
Ser. 278 A round and a half of some hot butter'd-toast.
a1902 S. Butler Way of All Flesh (1903) lxxii. 330 She..had made
him a round of toast.
1947 A. Ransome Great Northern? xix. 232 Peggy was cutting
rounds of bread to make potted meat sandwiches.
1968 M. Woodhouse Rock Baby vi. 51 Rasmussen had to make do with
four eggs and only half a dozen rounds of toast because I was
there.
1990 Illustr. London News Christmas No. 48/2 There is smoked
salmon, cold scrambled egg, delicious raw herrings, cold meats,
rounds of bread, and cheese.
2008 J. Wilson Cookie (2009) iv. 39 Mom poured him another cup
of coffee and gave him another round of toast.

If you take two rounds (slices) of toast and make them into a sandwich
with, say, marmalade between them, and perhaps cut the sandwich into
halves or quarters, you then have one round of toast and marmalade
sandwiches.


--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[James Hogg]

Are you serious? Don't you know the British meaning of "a round of
sandwiches"?

--
James

[Peter T. Daniels]

If what the earlier posters have said is true -- a "round of sandwiches"
is one sandwich cut into several pieces -- then OP's person has simply
eaten "a sandwich" -- and why one sandwich would be parceled out among
several people is difficult to grasp.

[Guy Barry]

"James Hogg" wrote in message news:lkoc38$11b$1...@dont-email.me...

Apparently not. It seems to mean "a sandwich or sandwiches made from two
slices of bread". Oh well, a lifelong misapprehension bites the dust.

--
Guy Barry

[charles]

In article <076695a8-a078-4153...@googlegroups.com>,

perhaps there were a selection of fillings. Then you could have a
selection without overeating. That's quite normal at a "buffet" meal.

[James Hogg]

Here's a picture of one round, cut diagonally in half. I can quite well
imagine one person eating one half, and another person eating the other
half. Yet this simple concept seems difficult to grasp for some people.

--
James

[charles]

In article <lkodir$bt0$1...@dont-email.me>,

you can even buy prepacked sandwiches where there are 3 different fillings
in the container.

[Mack A. Damia]

None.

An Englishman eats "butties".

Ever have a jam butty or a bacon butty?

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[pensive hamster]

On Sunday, 11 May 2014 19:25:44 UTC+1, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2014 08:50:51 -0700 (PDT), Yurui Liu

> >If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
> >how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?
>
> None.
>
> An Englishman eats "butties".

Or "sarnies".

[Mack A. Damia]

Hands on buzzers................

What did Sarah Layton tell her father about bacon butties? Two
important factors.

--

[Jerry Friedman]

On 5/11/14 11:55 AM, James Hogg wrote:
> charles wrote:
>> In article <076695a8-a078-4153...@googlegroups.com>,
>> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 11, 2014 1:30:18 PM UTC-4, James Hogg wrote:
>>>> Guy Barry wrote:
>>>>> "Yurui Liu" wrote in message
>>>>> news:a176d9c1-839a-452f...@googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>>>> If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches, how many
>>>>>> sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?
>>>>> However many sandwiches the person made for the round. It's
>>>>> not a fixed number. Cf. "round of drinks".
>>>> Are you serious? Don't you know the British meaning of "a round
>>>> of sandwiches"?
>>
>>> If what the earlier posters have said is true -- a "round of
>>> sandwiches" is one sandwich cut into several pieces -- then OP's
>>> person has simply eaten "a sandwich" -- and why one sandwich would
>>> be parceled out among several people is difficult to grasp.
>>
>> perhaps there were a selection of fillings. Then you could have a
>> selection without overeating. That's quite normal at a "buffet" meal.
>
> Here's a picture of one round, cut diagonally in half.

The picture's missing, but I can imagine it.

> I can quite well
> imagine one person eating one half, and another person eating the other
> half. Yet this simple concept seems difficult to grasp for some people.

Despite all the a.u.e. discussions of sandwiches over the years, I'd
never imagined that what I call a sandwich is called a round of
sandwiches in Britain. Is that phrase used in other countries too?

If a sandwich (AmE) sense is cut in half, I'd call each piece "half a
sandwich". Many American restaurants and delis offer you a choice of a
half or a whole sandwich. If a sandwich is cut into smaller fractions,
I'd be more likely to say "little sandwich" or some such phrase than to
specify the fraction, even if I knew it.

My lunch yesterday included two slices of bread with peanut butter (and
nothing else) in between. I didn't cut it any further. In British
English, could that be called a peanut butter sandwich, or would it have
to be called a round of peanut butter sandwiches? (Not that any Brit
would eat such a thing.)

--
Jerry Friedman

[James Silverton]

When did the English (or even the British) start using the word "butty".
I don't remember the word from my childhood and noticed it 20 or 30
years ago, characterized in literature as rather low class.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

[Mack A. Damia]

On Sun, 11 May 2014 15:36:40 -0400, James Silverton
<not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:

>On 5/11/2014 2:25 PM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 May 2014 08:50:51 -0700 (PDT), Yurui Liu
>> <liuyur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
>>> how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?
>>
>> None.
>>
>> An Englishman eats "butties".
>>
>> Ever have a jam butty or a bacon butty?
>>
>When did the English (or even the British) start using the word "butty".
>I don't remember the word from my childhood and noticed it 20 or 30
>years ago, characterized in literature as rather low class.

Maybe used in the north rather than the south of England; hence, the
"low class" view of the word as everything associated with areas north
of London was considered "low class".

OED says "Northern dialect", first recorded in 1855, generally a slice
of buttered bread.

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[David D S]

Indeed, my wife and family often do this and more involved sharing,
especially if one makes two opposite diagonal cuts so that more
people can share one round of sandwiches. It does seem to fit well
into their Chinese ideas of sharing and communal eating arrangements.

May be some are extremely territorial about what they see as "their
sandwich"?
--
David D S: UK and PR China. (Native BrEng speaker)
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[musika]

On 11/05/2014 20:35, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> My lunch yesterday included two slices of bread with peanut butter (and
> nothing else) in between. I didn't cut it any further. In British
> English, could that be called a peanut butter sandwich, or would it have
> to be called a round of peanut butter sandwiches? (Not that any Brit
> would eat such a thing.)
>

That would be a sandwich for most people. A round of sandwiches is
rather old-fashioned, for me. We certainly used it in my childhood,
mostly in the following context:
"Do you want a sandwich?"
"Yes please."
"How many rounds?"

Or, sometimes:

"Anyone for a round of sandwiches?"
--
Ray
UK

[David D S]

James Silverton wrote:

> On 5/11/2014 2:25 PM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > On Sun, 11 May 2014 08:50:51 -0700 (PDT), Yurui Liu
> ><liuyur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
> > > how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?
> >
> > None.
> >
> > An Englishman eats "butties".
> >
> > Ever have a jam butty or a bacon butty?
> >
> When did the English (or even the British) start using the word
> "butty". I don't remember the word from my childhood and noticed it
> 20 or 30 years ago, characterized in literature as rather low class.

I've known it for over 50 years, but thereagain, those who seem to value
assigning people into different classes would probably view my own
origins as low class, which would seem to often be a reflection of them
rather than those they judge.

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[musika]

On 11/05/2014 20:36, James Silverton wrote:
> When did the English (or even the British) start using the word "butty".
> I don't remember the word from my childhood and noticed it 20 or 30
> years ago, characterized in literature as rather low class.
>

Butty was the norm for me growing up in the 1950s. We graduated to
sarnie at secondary school.

--
Ray
UK

[James Hogg]

That would be called a sandwich in Britain too. We use the word "round"
when it's divided. I could say "I've made ten rounds of sandwiches" when
I've cut them into 20 or 40 individual portions.

--
James

[charles]

In article <lkojf3$p2$1...@news.albasani.net>,

A "round of sandwiches" isn't used in regular conversation. But, it has a
meaning.

> My lunch yesterday included two slices of bread with peanut butter (and
> nothing else) in between. I didn't cut it any further. In British
> English, could that be called a peanut butter sandwich, or would it have
> to be called a round of peanut butter sandwiches? (Not that any Brit
> would eat such a thing.)

certainly not, I'd add cream cheese. Actually, Peanut Butter is nearly
always on our shelf - unless we've run out. But the "anti-alergy" police
are on the prowl. I know of one school where peanut butter sandwiches are
banned in case someone is alergic to them.

[charles]

In article <lkojg7$opb$2...@dont-email.me>,

James Silverton <not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 5/11/2014 2:25 PM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > On Sun, 11 May 2014 08:50:51 -0700 (PDT), Yurui Liu
> > <liuyur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
> >> how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?
> >
> > None.
> >
> > An Englishman eats "butties".
> >
> > Ever have a jam butty or a bacon butty?
> >
> When did the English (or even the British) start using the word "butty".
> I don't remember the word from my childhood and noticed it 20 or 30
> years ago, characterized in literature as rather low class.

not low class - regional.

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Jerry Friedman skrev:

> Despite all the a.u.e. discussions of sandwiches over the years, I'd
> never imagined that what I call a sandwich is called a round of
> sandwiches in Britain. Is that phrase used in other countries too?

In Denmark we eat a lot of rye bread. A slice of rye bread is
called "en rundtenom" - literally "a roundabout". We have no
trafic association since a roundabout is called something else.
Usually we cut a rundtenom in halves, no diagonal. One such piece
is called "en halv" (a half). That is what we usually eat at
lunch, some have them for breakfast, and we sometimes take them
in the evening too.

We put different kinds of food on the bread, but we usually do
not put another slice on top (no sandwhich). If we do, we call it
"en klapsammen" (a slaptogether).

In the old days, poor people's lunch would consist of
rundtenommer spread with fat and sprinkled with salt. Some still
like it, and one might eat it for fun.

Sandwhiches are made with white bread.

--
bertel.lundhansen.dk fiduso.dk obese.dk

[charles]

In article <lkon6d$mv6$1...@dont-email.me>,

Bertel Lund Hansen <gade...@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
> Jerry Friedman skrev:

> > Despite all the a.u.e. discussions of sandwiches over the years, I'd
> > never imagined that what I call a sandwich is called a round of
> > sandwiches in Britain. Is that phrase used in other countries too?

> In Denmark we eat a lot of rye bread. A slice of rye bread is
> called "en rundtenom" - literally "a roundabout". We have no
> trafic association since a roundabout is called something else.
> Usually we cut a rundtenom in halves, no diagonal. One such piece
> is called "en halv" (a half). That is what we usually eat at
> lunch, some have them for breakfast, and we sometimes take them
> in the evening too.

[Snip]

In the 1950's, I can remember being introduced to "Danish Open Sandwiches".
There was a restaurant in Edinburgh specialising inthem.

[Skitt]

I loved those fat (single slice rye) sandwiches when I was a child in
Latvia. We were by no means poor. I also liked sour cream (with salt)
open-face sandwiches.

>
> Sandwhiches are made with white bread.
>


--

Skitt (SF Bay Area)
http://home.comcast.net/~skitt99/main.html

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Skitt skrev:

> I loved those fat (single slice rye) sandwiches when I was a child in
> Latvia. We were by no means poor. I also liked sour cream (with salt)
> open-face sandwiches.

Was/is rye bread common in Latvia?

--
bertel.lundhansen.dk fiduso.dk obese.dk

[Skitt]

On 5/11/2014 1:58 PM, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Skitt skrev:
>
>> I loved those fat (single slice rye) sandwiches when I was a child in
>> Latvia. We were by no means poor. I also liked sour cream (with salt)
>> open-face sandwiches.
>
> Was/is rye bread common in Latvia?
>

Yes. White bread (French bread) was eaten on Sundays, sometimes.

[Mike Barnes]

James Silverton wrote:
> When did the English (or even the British) start using the word "butty".
> I don't remember the word from my childhood and noticed it 20 or 30
> years ago, characterized in literature as rather low class.

I first heard it when our family moved from the south to Merseyside in
1963. I went to a fairly posh school and it was normal there.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

[Peter T. Daniels]

But then that's not a "round of sandwiches" as defined above; it's more
like Guy's understanding, and it's what we would identify as "a plate
of assorted sandwiches," which is presumably how it appears in the
caterer's catalog. It doesn't matter if they're quartered from square
slices of bread, or built on individual miniature or ordinary sandwich
rolls, or are sliced from 8-foot-long hero sandwiches.

Caterers' sandwich trays typically hold sandwiches made on square slices
of bread and quartered on the diagonal, so that the fillings are readily
visible and identifiable.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Even if you'd provided a picture, it still would have been "a sandwich"
cut in half, in your case so that it could be shared.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Named for the Earl of Butty? No wonder they changed the name of Hawai`i.

The last time this came up (and explained something Onslow would say at
least once in every episode of *Keeping Up Appearances*), "butty" was a
specific, particularly loathsome-sounding, kind of sandwich involving
butter and "chips," i.e. fried potatoes. Bacon on that makes perfect
sense (cf. hash browns), but not "jam" (which, from Guy referring to
"jam donuts" elsethread," I infer means "jelly," which in BrE apparently
means Jell-O gelatin dessert).

[j...@mdfs.net]

Yurui Liu wrote:
> If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
> how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?

There can be any number of individual items in a round of Geralds.

jgh

[Robert Bannister]

On 12/05/2014 12:06 am, Guy Barry wrote:
> "Yurui Liu" wrote in message
> news:a176d9c1-839a-452f...@googlegroups.com...
>>

>> If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
>> how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?
>

> However many sandwiches the person made for the round. It's not a fixed
> number. Cf. "round of drinks".
>

I don't think it means that. I take to refer to "rounds of bread" - two
rounds of bread making one round of sandwich, but the latter is not
really an English expression. In fact, it's such a strange sentence, I
think I would ask the speaker to explain what he did mean.

--
Robert Bannister - 1940-71 SE England
1972-now W Australia

[Robert Bannister]

On 12/05/2014 3:52 am, musika wrote:

> That would be a sandwich for most people. A round of sandwiches is
> rather old-fashioned, for me. We certainly used it in my childhood,
> mostly in the following context:
> "Do you want a sandwich?"
> "Yes please."
> "How many rounds?"
>
> Or, sometimes:
>
> "Anyone for a round of sandwiches?"

I can understand the first, but I find the last extremely ambiguous.

[Robert Bannister]

"We" never used "round" with sandwiches. "A round of bread" certainly,
but "ten rounds of sandwiches" means nothing to me - I could guess, but
I wouldn't know for sure.

[Robert Bannister]

It's not a sandwich if it doesn't have a top. That's why we have clumsy
phrases like "open-face sandwich" to try to explain the idea. Otherwise,
is just a slice/piece/round of bread or of bread and butter.

[Robert Bannister]

On 12/05/2014 3:36 am, James Silverton wrote:
> On 5/11/2014 2:25 PM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 May 2014 08:50:51 -0700 (PDT), Yurui Liu
>> <liuyur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
>>> how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?
>>
>> None.
>>
>> An Englishman eats "butties".
>>
>> Ever have a jam butty or a bacon butty?
>>
> When did the English (or even the British) start using the word "butty".
> I don't remember the word from my childhood and noticed it 20 or 30
> years ago, characterized in literature as rather low class.
>

Northern English. I think Ken Dodds introduced us southerners to the word.

[Iskandar Baharuddin]

Years ago I was in a shopping centre near Perth.

On offer was a "chip butty": chips on a hamburger roll.

Disgusting.

--
Salaam, Izzy

Ciri sa-bumi, cara sa-desa. (Sundanese proverb)
"People are pretty much the same around the world, but the way they do
things depends on where they come from."

[Mack A. Damia]

A "chip butty"? Made with chips and bread/butter

Jam butty? Any jam on buttered bread, sandwich style.

Bacon butty: Sarah Layton's father tells her that they taste better
on the train. Something to do with soot and smoke. He also tells her
that they need to be "aged" a few hours". [1]

[1] "A Division of the Spoils", by Paul Scott, Book IV, *The Raj
Quartet* Avon, 1979.

--

[Mack A. Damia]

I recall in the 1950s before we left England, the grocer sold a
cylindrical loaf of bread; therefore the slices were round. I think
my mother referred to it as "milk bread".

--

[Mack A. Damia]

On Mon, 12 May 2014 08:45:56 +0800, Iskandar Baharuddin
<bren...@iinet.net.au> wrote:

>On 12/05/14 5:08 AM, Mike Barnes wrote:
>> James Silverton wrote:
>>> When did the English (or even the British) start using the word "butty".
>>> I don't remember the word from my childhood and noticed it 20 or 30
>>> years ago, characterized in literature as rather low class.
>>
>> I first heard it when our family moved from the south to Merseyside in
>> 1963. I went to a fairly posh school and it was normal there.
>>
>Years ago I was in a shopping centre near Perth.
>
>On offer was a "chip butty": chips on a hamburger roll.
>
>Disgusting.

That's a bit narrow minded.

What do you think latkes are in the Jewish culture? And the bread and
potato are already mixed together!

Also in other cultures, Bombay Masala Toast Sandwich, Aloo Masala
Grilled Sandwich, Desi Sandwich, Sandwich Potato Rolls and even a
Mashed Potato Sandwich, among other varieties.

Get out much, do you?

--

[Skitt]

Actually, Latvian language does not have a word that corresponds to
"sandwich". It has "sviestmaize", which translates to "butterbread".
That is because normally there is butter being spread on the bread. Not
so if the spread is fat or sour cream, of course.

[Iskandar Baharuddin]

All of these sound much better than the Pommie chip butty.

[Mack A. Damia]

On Mon, 12 May 2014 09:26:29 +0800, Iskandar Baharuddin

<bren...@iinet.net.au> wrote:

>On 12/05/14 9:03 AM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 May 2014 08:45:56 +0800, Iskandar Baharuddin
>> <bren...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/05/14 5:08 AM, Mike Barnes wrote:
>>>> James Silverton wrote:
>>>>> When did the English (or even the British) start using the word "butty".
>>>>> I don't remember the word from my childhood and noticed it 20 or 30
>>>>> years ago, characterized in literature as rather low class.
>>>>
>>>> I first heard it when our family moved from the south to Merseyside in
>>>> 1963. I went to a fairly posh school and it was normal there.
>>>>
>>> Years ago I was in a shopping centre near Perth.
>>>
>>> On offer was a "chip butty": chips on a hamburger roll.
>>>
>>> Disgusting.
>>
>> That's a bit narrow minded.
>>
>> What do you think latkes are in the Jewish culture? And the bread and
>> potato are already mixed together!
>>
>> Also in other cultures, Bombay Masala Toast Sandwich, Aloo Masala
>> Grilled Sandwich, Desi Sandwich, Sandwich Potato Rolls and even a
>> Mashed Potato Sandwich, among other varieties.
>>
>> Get out much, do you?
>>
>All of these sound much better than the Pommie chip butty.

There you go, "Pommes frites a la pain beurr�.

--

[Jerry Friedman]

On 5/11/14 1:52 PM, musika wrote:

> On 11/05/2014 20:35, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>> My lunch yesterday included two slices of bread with peanut butter (and
>> nothing else) in between. I didn't cut it any further. In British
>> English, could that be called a peanut butter sandwich, or would it have
>> to be called a round of peanut butter sandwiches? (Not that any Brit
>> would eat such a thing.)
>>

> That would be a sandwich for most people. A round of sandwiches is
> rather old-fashioned, for me. We certainly used it in my childhood,
> mostly in the following context:
> "Do you want a sandwich?"
> "Yes please."
> "How many rounds?"
>
> Or, sometimes:
>
> "Anyone for a round of sandwiches?"

Thanks to everyone who answered my question.

--
Jerry Friedman

[Yurui Liu]

William於 2014年5月12日星期一UTC+8上午12時06分46秒寫道：

> On Sunday, May 11, 2014 4:50:51 PM UTC+1, Yurui Liu wrote:
>
> > If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
>
> >
>
> > how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?
>
>
>

> A "round" is a full sandwich - made from two slices of bread, with the filling between. It may be cut into two halves or four quarters; so some people may call it two or four sandwiches, but it's still one round.

If a whole sandwich is made from three slices of bread, can it still be called
a round of sandwich?


>
>
>
> --
>
> William

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 8:52:30 PM UTC-4, Mack A. Damia wrote:

> I recall in the 1950s before we left England, the grocer sold a
> cylindrical loaf of bread; therefore the slices were round. I think
> my mother referred to it as "milk bread".

Ca. 1960 in NYC there was a brand of store-bought white bread whose
selling point was that it was cylindrical. I liked it because it had
top-crust all around. (But the bread of choice was rye bread from the
bakery, not from the grocery store, with a chewy crust all round.)

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 9:03:00 PM UTC-4, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2014 08:45:56 +0800, Iskandar Baharuddin
> <bren...@iinet.net.au> wrote:

> >On offer was a "chip butty": chips on a hamburger roll.
> >Disgusting.

Yes.

> That's a bit narrow minded.
> What do you think latkes are in the Jewish culture? And the bread and
> potato are already mixed together!

There's no "bread" in a latke.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 11:31:00 PM UTC-4, Yurui Liu wrote:
> William於 2014年5月12日星期一UTC+8上午12時06分46秒寫道：

> > A "round" is a full sandwich - made from two slices of bread, with the filling between. It may be cut into two halves or four quarters; so some people may call it two or four sandwiches, but it's still one round.
>
> If a whole sandwich is made from three slices of bread, can it still be called
> a round of sandwich?

I don't think any of them has suggested that "a round of sandwich"
exists. But a sandwich made from three slices of bread is called,
in AmE, a "club sandwich."

[Mack A. Damia]

You have such a narrow mind that is an assault to one's senses,
Daniels.

Latkes can contain bread crumbs, matzoh meal or flour.

(You can make breadcrumbs by crumbling bread. Did you know that?)

Combining eggs, bread crumbs, salt, baking powder might as well be
bread considering bread is food prepared from a dough of flour and
water.

--

[Mack A. Damia]

http://www.cookipedia.co.uk/recipes_wiki/English_milk_loaf

--

[Dr Nick]

James Silverton <not.jim....@verizon.net> writes:

> On 5/11/2014 2:25 PM, Mack A. Damia wrote:

>> On Sun, 11 May 2014 08:50:51 -0700 (PDT), Yurui Liu

>> <liuyur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
>>> how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?
>>

>> None.
>>
>> An Englishman eats "butties".
>>
>> Ever have a jam butty or a bacon butty?
>>

> When did the English (or even the British) start using the word
> "butty". I don't remember the word from my childhood and noticed it 20
> or 30 years ago, characterized in literature as rather low class.

I've known it all my life but it was always slightly jocular with in
the family. This was about the time that Ken Dodd was extemporising on
the Jam Butty Mines of Knotty Ash.

It was went I went to Leeds in the mid-80s that I first saw it used on
menus in cafes etc. Those were nearly always chip butties.

It's only relatively recently that they've made it onto menus around the
country. Again, usually chip butties.

And - I now see - around the world:
http://www.menupages.com/restaurants/longbow-pub-pantry/menu

[annily]

On 12.05.14 01:47, Richard Yates wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2014 17:06:45 +0100, charles
> <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In article <a176d9c1-839a-452f...@googlegroups.com>,

>> Yurui Liu <liuyur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
>>> how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?
>>

>> a "round" is normally made from two slices of bread, It might be divided
>> into 2 or 4 portions.
>
> That meaning of "round" is completely unknown to me (AmE). The closest
> that I could come to deciphering it was by analogy to a "round of
> drinks" which means that everyone present gets one. I guess that was
> wrong.
>

It was unknown to me too, despite our British heritage Down Under. I
would have thought of it as you did.

--
Lifelong resident of Adelaide, South Australia
"Talking to yourself is only a problem if you get a response you don't
understand".

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Skitt skrev:

>> Was/is rye bread common in Latvia?

> Yes. White bread (French bread) was eaten on Sundays, sometimes.

That's funny. That corresponds to what we did in my family when I
was a child. And Danes also call (certain types of) white bread
"franskbr�d".

--
bertel.lundhansen.dk fiduso.dk obese.dk

[Guy Barry]

"Jerry Friedman" wrote in message news:lkojf3$p2$1...@news.albasani.net...

>Despite all the a.u.e. discussions of sandwiches over the years, I'd never
>imagined that what I call a sandwich is called a round of sandwiches in
>Britain. Is that phrase used in other countries too?

We now have sandwiches being discussed in two threads simultaneously. There
seems to be something infectious about the topic.

Back in 2012, there was a very long thread about sandwiches which appeared
to cover every possible aspect of the topic, called "Sandwiches". Just when
I thought everything that could possibly be said about sandwiches had been
said, someone else started a new thread saying "it seems a very long time
since we had a discussion about sandwiches". Someone else then posted a
completely irrelevant comment about sandwiches in a third thread, rather to
my bemusement. I left shortly after that, so I don't know whether the
sandwich virus spread any further.

Re the meaning of "round of sandwiches", I now realize that I spent my
childhood under the misapprehension that a "round of sandwiches" was a large
plate of (usually) triangular sandwiches on a large plate, normally with
different fillings, of the type offered at buffets. I heard people saying
things like "I made three rounds of sandwiches" and made the wrong
inference, not stopping to wonder where the other two were.

--
Guy Barry

[Guy Barry]

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message
news:40d888de-59f1-43d3...@googlegroups.com...

>
>On Sunday, May 11, 2014 1:46:27 PM UTC-4, charles wrote:

>> perhaps there were a selection of fillings. Then you could have a
>> selection without overeating. That's quite normal at a "buffet" meal.
>

>But then that's not a "round of sandwiches" as defined above; it's more
>like Guy's understanding, and it's what we would identify as "a plate
>of assorted sandwiches," which is presumably how it appears in the
>caterer's catalog.

Indeed - hence my confusion expressed earlier.

--
Guy Barry

[Guy Barry]

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message

news:99053950-bd03-4fa0...@googlegroups.com...

>The last time this came up (and explained something Onslow would say at
>least once in every episode of *Keeping Up Appearances*), "butty" was a
>specific, particularly loathsome-sounding, kind of sandwich involving
>butter and "chips," i.e. fried potatoes.

"Butty" is just a generic north of England word for a sandwich, but the
"chip butty" is a particularly popular version - so much that my
grandmother, who was from London and would never otherwise have used the
word "butty", always talked about "chip butties" because she saw them as a
north of England thing.

--
Guy Barry

[Guy Barry]

"Robert Bannister" wrote in message
news:btajc1...@mid.individual.net...

I suppose I should forgive you since you've been out of the country for so
long, but his name's Ken Dodd - and he's still performing at the age of 86:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Dodd

--
Guy Barry

[Guy Barry]

"Yurui Liu" wrote in message

news:fb93f4dd-1b57-429c...@googlegroups.com...

>If a whole sandwich is made from three slices of bread, can it still be
>called
>a round of sandwich?

That's what I'd call a "triple-decker" sandwich, and in my experience
they're not usually cut into smaller pieces.

--
Guy Barry

[charles]

In article <40d888de-59f1-43d3...@googlegroups.com>, Peter

T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sunday, May 11, 2014 1:46:27 PM UTC-4, charles wrote:

> > In article <076695a8-a078-4153...@googlegroups.com>,

> > Peter T. Daniels <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:

> > > On Sunday, May 11, 2014 1:30:18 PM UTC-4, James Hogg wrote:

> > > > Guy Barry wrote:
> > > > > "Yurui Liu" wrote in message

> > > > > news:a176d9c1-839a-452f...@googlegroups.com...

> > > > >> If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches, how many
> > > > >> sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?

> > > > > However many sandwiches the person made for the round. It's not
> > > > > a fixed number. Cf. "round of drinks".

> > > > Are you serious? Don't you know the British meaning of "a round of
> > > > sandwiches"?
> > > If what the earlier posters have said is true -- a "round of
> > > sandwiches" is one sandwich cut into several pieces -- then OP's
> > > person has simply eaten "a sandwich" -- and why one sandwich would
> > > be parceled out among several people is difficult to grasp.

> >
> > perhaps there were a selection of fillings. Then you could have a
> > selection without overeating. That's quite normal at a "buffet" meal.

> But then that's not a "round of sandwiches" as defined above; it's more
> like Guy's understanding, and it's what we would identify as "a plate of
> assorted sandwiches," which is presumably how it appears in the
> caterer's catalog.

and, if you'd taken 4 quarters, you'd have had one "round of sandwiches"

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

[Mike Barnes]

Yes.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

[LFS]

Really? I wouldn't want to watch anyone eating one without at least
cutting it in half.

--
Laura (emulate St George for email)

[David D S]

If you go to a Ken Dodd show that is advertized to end at 11pm,
plan on leaving at about 1am.

--
David D S: UK and PR China. (Native BrEng speaker)
Use Reply-To header for email. This email address will be
valid for at least 2 weeks from 2014/5/12 18:43:38

[Peter T. Daniels]

Bread is not made from bread crumbs, and no self-respecting Jewish
grandmother would put breadcrumbs in latkes anyway. Or baking powder.

I wonder if you're thinking of knishes.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Four quarters (but not diagonally), with a tassled toothpick through
each quarter.

And usually the three slices are toasted.

[LFS]

Now, what - and why - is a club sandwich?

[Tony Cooper]

It's a three-slices-of-bread sandwich that has bacon, lettuce, and
tomato and sometimes some other meat like roast beef or chicken.
Served cut into quarters with toothpicks with fancy ends holding each
quarter together. Some places toast the bread, some don't.

From "clubhouse sandwich" and a favorite with golfers in the clubhouse
after a round or at the turn.

(Please note the use of "round" in an entirely different sense than
the sandwich usage, but connected.)

Why a sandwich, though? Why an anything?



--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL

[Guy Barry]

"Tony Cooper" wrote in message
news:kck1n9l7tvhbhl69l...@4ax.com...

>From "clubhouse sandwich" and a favorite with golfers in the clubhouse
>after a round or at the turn.
>
>(Please note the use of "round" in an entirely different sense than
>the sandwich usage, but connected.)
>
>Why a sandwich, though? Why an anything?

Well, they do play a lot of golf in Sandwich...

--
Guy Barry

[Mack A. Damia]

On Mon, 12 May 2014 04:44:36 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"

Kno.

Knishes are baked dumplings with a filling.

Many latke recipes call for breadcrumbs, and there is no reason why
you cannot crumble your own.

Maybe breadcrumbs are used by Jewish grandmothers who don't respect
themselves.

By the way, ever hear of potato bread?

--

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/Sandwiches/ClubSandwich.htm

[Found via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_sandwich]

The origin of this sandwich, which is most often associated with
hotels around the world, is all a matter of speculation and
guesswork. The name probably comes because of its popularity at
resorts and country clubs. It definitely existed in the United
States by the late 19th century. The Club Sandwich was the favorite
of former King Edward VIII of England and his wife, Wallis Simpson.
In fact, she took great pride in preparing this sandwich.

1894 - The most popular theory is that the sandwich first appeared
in 1894 at the famous Saratoga Club-House (an exclusive gentlemen
only gambling house in upstate Saratoga Springs, New York) where the
potato chips was born. Originally called Morrissey's Club House,
were neither women nor locals were permitted in the gambling rooms.
In 1894, Richard Canfield purchased the club:

According the 1940 New York Writer's Project book called
New York: A Guide to the Empire State:

In 1894 Richard Canfield (1865-1914), debonair patron of art,
purchased the Saratoga Club to make it a casino. Canfield
Solitaire was originated in the casino's gambling rooms and the
club sandwich in its kitchens.

From the 1916 book Salads, Sandwiches, and Chafing Dish Recipes, by
Marion H. Neil:

Origin of the Club Sandwich - It will not surprise any who know
how frequently most excellent things are born of necessity to
know that the club sandwich originated through accident. A man,
we are told, arrived at his home one night after the family and
servants had retired, and being hungry, sought the pantry and the
ice chest in search of something to eat. There were remnants of
many things in the source of supplies, but no one thing that
seemed to be present in sufficient abundance to satisfy his
appetite. The man wanted, anyway, some toast. So he toasted a
couple of slices of bread. Then he looked for butter, and
incidentally something to accompany the toast as a relish.
Besides the butter he found mayonnaise, two or three slices of
cold broiled bacon, and some pieces of cold chicken. These he put
together on a slice of toast, and found, in a tomato, a
complement for all the ingredients at hand. Then he capped his
composition with a second slice of toast, ate, and was happy. The
name club was given to it through its adoption by a club of which
the originator was a member. To his friends, also members of the
club, he spoke of the sandwich, and they had one made, then and
there, at the club, as an experiment, and referred to it
afterward as the " club sandwich." As such, its name went out to
other clubs, restaurants, and individuals, and as such it has
remained. At least, this is the story as it is generally told.
....
....
1972 - James Beard (1903-1985), American chef and food writer wrote
the following about the Club Sandwich in his book, James Beard's
American Cookery:

. . . it is one of the great sandwiches of all time and has
swept its way around the world after an American beginning.
Nowdays the sandwich is bastardized because it is usually made
as a three-decker, which is not authentic (whoever started that
horror should be forced to eat three-deckers three times a day
the rest of his life), and nowadays practically everyone uses
turkey and there's a vast difference between turkey and chicken
where sandwiches are concerned.

>(Please note the use of "round" in an entirely different sense than
>the sandwich usage, but connected.)
>
>Why a sandwich, though? Why an anything?

--

Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[pensive hamster]

On Monday, 12 May 2014 16:05:57 UTC+1, PeterWD wrote:
[...]

> 1972 - James Beard (1903-1985), American chef and food writer wrote
> the following about the Club Sandwich in his book, James Beard's
> American Cookery:
>
> . . . it is one of the great sandwiches of all time and has

> swept its way around the world after an American beginning. ...

There is the Club Sandwich Index (CSI), which compares the
cost of a club sandwich bought in a hotel in various cities
throughout the world. It aims to provide a comparison of the
cost of living in various cities and countries, or at least of the
cost of staying in a hotel.

Geneva came first in 2013 with a CSI of 30.45 usd.
Scandinavia generally seems quite expensive, and the most
expensive US city was New York at 17.51 usd.

Full table here:

http://press.hotels.com/en-us/news-releases/annual-hotels-com-club-sandwich-index-csi-names-geneva-as-the-most-expensive-city-for-a-club-sandwich/
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ly2q268

[Mack A. Damia]

On Mon, 12 May 2014 09:56:38 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 12 May 2014 14:39:13 +0100, LFS
><la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On 12/05/2014 12:48, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 12, 2014 6:25:58 AM UTC-4, LFS wrote:
>>>> On 12/05/2014 09:35, Guy Barry wrote:
>>>>> "Yurui Liu" wrote in message
>>>>> news:fb93f4dd-1b57-429c...@googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>>>> If a whole sandwich is made from three slices of bread, can it still
>>>>>> be called
>>>>>> a round of sandwich?
>>>>> That's what I'd call a "triple-decker" sandwich, and in my experience
>>>>> they're not usually cut into smaller pieces.
>>>>
>>>> Really? I wouldn't want to watch anyone eating one without at least
>>>> cutting it in half.
>>>
>>> Four quarters (but not diagonally), with a tassled toothpick through
>>> each quarter.
>>>
>>> And usually the three slices are toasted.
>>>
>>
>>Now, what - and why - is a club sandwich?
>
>It's a three-slices-of-bread sandwich that has bacon, lettuce, and
>tomato and sometimes some other meat like roast beef or chicken.
>Served cut into quarters with toothpicks with fancy ends holding each
>quarter together. Some places toast the bread, some don't.

My friend opened a restaurant/bar in the 1970s, and he served a
"cheeseburger club sandwich".

Out of this world! Bacon lettuce and tomato along with a cheeseburger
on toasted sourdough bread.

--

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Monday, May 12, 2014 11:42:38 AM UTC-4, Mack A. Damia wrote:

> My friend opened a restaurant/bar in the 1970s, and he served a
> "cheeseburger club sandwich".
> Out of this world! Bacon lettuce and tomato along with a cheeseburger
> on toasted sourdough bread.

That would be McDonalds' new Bacon Clubhouse Burger, the one LeBron
James sells on TV.

Decades ago they had the McDLT, which was the same idea without the
bacon, but on their regular bun. It came open-faced in a two-compartment
Styrofoam container (keeping the hot and cold parts apart) and you had
to flip them together to make a sandwich of them.

That was about when they switched from Styrofoam to cardboard.

[Mike L]

On Sun, 11 May 2014 18:40:20 -0700, Mack A. Damia
<mybaco...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 12 May 2014 09:26:29 +0800, Iskandar Baharuddin
><bren...@iinet.net.au> wrote:

>
>>On 12/05/14 9:03 AM, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 May 2014 08:45:56 +0800, Iskandar Baharuddin
>>> <bren...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>

>>>> On 12/05/14 5:08 AM, Mike Barnes wrote:
>>>>> James Silverton wrote:
>>>>>> When did the English (or even the British) start using the word "butty".
>>>>>> I don't remember the word from my childhood and noticed it 20 or 30
>>>>>> years ago, characterized in literature as rather low class.
>>>>>

>>>>> I first heard it when our family moved from the south to Merseyside in
>>>>> 1963. I went to a fairly posh school and it was normal there.
>>>>>
>>>> Years ago I was in a shopping centre near Perth.

>>>>
>>>> On offer was a "chip butty": chips on a hamburger roll.
>>>>
>>>> Disgusting.
>>>

>>> That's a bit narrow minded.
>>>
>>> What do you think latkes are in the Jewish culture? And the bread and
>>> potato are already mixed together!
>>>

>>> Also in other cultures, Bombay Masala Toast Sandwich, Aloo Masala
>>> Grilled Sandwich, Desi Sandwich, Sandwich Potato Rolls and even a
>>> Mashed Potato Sandwich, among other varieties.
>>>
>>> Get out much, do you?
>>>
>>All of these sound much better than the Pommie chip butty.
>
>There you go, "Pommes frites a la pain beurr�.

The other night, Zizzi's in Leamington provided me with a large
oblongish pizza known as a "mezzo e mezzo". One of the halves was
cheesy-red-oniony with slices of new potato on top - one of those
things one must try because it seems so improbable. It was very good,
especially with a splash of chilli oil.

--
Mike.

[Mike L]

On Mon, 12 May 2014 09:56:38 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 12 May 2014 14:39:13 +0100, LFS
><la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:

[...]

>>Now, what - and why - is a club sandwich?
>
>It's a three-slices-of-bread sandwich that has bacon, lettuce, and
>tomato and sometimes some other meat like roast beef or chicken.
>Served cut into quarters with toothpicks with fancy ends holding each
>quarter together. Some places toast the bread, some don't.
>
>From "clubhouse sandwich" and a favorite with golfers in the clubhouse
>after a round or at the turn.

That's what ornithologists call a Sandwich tern.

>
>(Please note the use of "round" in an entirely different sense than
>the sandwich usage, but connected.)
>
>Why a sandwich, though? Why an anything?

You'll never go hungry at the beach...

--
Mike.

[Jerry Friedman]

On Monday, May 12, 2014 3:54:29 PM UTC-6, Mike L wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2014 09:56:38 -0400, Tony Cooper
> <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 12 May 2014 14:39:13 +0100, LFS
> ><la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >>Now, what - and why - is a club sandwich?
>
> >It's a three-slices-of-bread sandwich that has bacon, lettuce, and
> >tomato and sometimes some other meat like roast beef or chicken.

I think it's got to have other meat.

> >Served cut into quarters with toothpicks with fancy ends holding each
> >quarter together. Some places toast the bread, some don't.
>
> >From "clubhouse sandwich" and a favorite with golfers in the clubhouse
> >after a round or at the turn.
>
> That's what ornithologists call a Sandwich tern.

...

I'll 'av a set of them. (Ah, Minsmere...)

> >Why a sandwich, though? Why an anything?
>
> You'll never go hungry at the beach...

If you eat the sandwich you find there?

--
Jerry Friedman

[mrucb...@att.net]

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 11:04:24 AM UTC-5, Leslie Danks wrote:
> Yurui Liu wrote:
>
>
>
> > If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
>

> > how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?
>
>
>
> I understand a round of sandwiches to be made using two slices of sliced
>
> bread. This will then be cut into halves, quarters or quarters
>
> diagonally depending on local custom. I believe some people think that
>
> diagonally is posher. Since a sandwich (IMO) is a single item, a round
>
> of sandwiches can consist of one, two or four individual sandwiches. I
>
> doubt that it is possible to use "round" in connection with other types
>
> of sandwich, but it wouldn't surprise me if someone decided to lecture
>
> us on the meaning of a "round of submarine" or "haburger", etc.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Leslie (Les) Danks (BrE)
>
> Purity is chemistry's essential Platonic rabbit.

You might gather that an interpretation of a 'round of sandwiches' being, in
fact, one sandwich, could be confusing. And that cutting it? them? up
makes 'more sandwiches', more so. But it is clear to those who would use the
terminology, I'm sure. If one cut a small baguette in half lengthwise and
made a sandwich out of it, could that be a round of sandwiches? If you cut
that into thirds would you call each piece a sandwich? I can't imagine that
when the great sandwich discussions went on here, years ago, (and they went on
seemingly forever) that 'a round of sandwiches' was not mentioned. (Sorry did
someone already point that out?) An interesting, everyday sort of <usage>
topic. I like it.

[Jack Campin]

> If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
> how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?

I always assumed it meant a small plateful, but I'd never
use the phrase, since I'm not sure what it really means.

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[Mack A. Damia]

My buddy didn't put caramelized onions on the sandwich, and I don't
think McDonald's uses sourdough - or I can't find a reference to it,
and his was toasted (three slices).

He also used ground round steak; the bacon gave it enough fat, and he
did not have a "special sauce" as it was delicious enough.

Close but not quite.

We have a Carl's Jr. in Ensenada, and they were serving the most
delicious "Philly Cheesesteak Burger" for a couple of weeks.

It was very good, and I drove over there last week only to be told
that it was a "special promotion" and no more!

No more Carl's Jr. until it returns.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-thhcdxFDzrA/UrKeoklWSnI/AAAAAAAAZ-o/wHadVrW1EaM/s1600/carls-jr-hardees-philly-cheesesteak-burgers.jpg

--

[Mack A. Damia]

My friend who owned the restaurant took me to a specialty pizza
parlour in the 1970s. The fancy toppings just seemed to be emerging
in the market. Brocolli, asparagus & mushroom pizza, zucchini and
ricotta pizza, shrimp pizza, gourmet chicken pizza and more.

Never really new if they became popular. I wasn't crazy about the one
I had. I guess there are some Italian specialty restaurants that may
serve them, but I just like the old standby: pepperoni and mushroom
(extra cheese if I can get it).

--

[Robert Bannister]

On 12/05/2014 8:52 am, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2014 08:25:24 +0800, Robert Bannister
> <rob...@clubtelco.com> wrote:

>
>> On 12/05/2014 12:06 am, Guy Barry wrote:
>>> "Yurui Liu" wrote in message

>>> news:a176d9c1-839a-452f...@googlegroups.com...

>>>>
>>>> If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
>>>> how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?
>>>

>>> However many sandwiches the person made for the round. It's not a fixed
>>> number. Cf. "round of drinks".
>>>

>> I don't think it means that. I take to refer to "rounds of bread" - two
>> rounds of bread making one round of sandwich, but the latter is not
>> really an English expression. In fact, it's such a strange sentence, I
>> think I would ask the speaker to explain what he did mean.
>
> I recall in the 1950s before we left England, the grocer sold a
> cylindrical loaf of bread; therefore the slices were round. I think
> my mother referred to it as "milk bread".
>

"Milk loaf".

--
Robert Bannister - 1940-71 SE England
1972-now W Australia

[Peter T. Daniels]

Because of all the sandwiches there.

[Robert Bannister]

It's a lovely story, but parts of it sound even less likely than the
Earl of Sandwich tale. One assumes this is a fairly rich man with
several servants, a club or two and the odd late night, and yet his
pantry contains 2-3 slices of cold, cooked bacon. I'm only surprised
there was no left-over cold toast. I can't imagine my fridge retaining
that meagre amount of bacon, and if I had servants, I would certainly
allow them to eat it. Of course, either these servants were used to
turkey or the man was a miser.

On 12/05/2014 11:05 pm, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:

>
> Besides the butter he found mayonnaise, two or three slices of
> cold broiled bacon, and some pieces of cold chicken. These he put
> together on a slice of toast, and found, in a tomato, a
> complement for all the ingredients at hand. Then he capped his
> composition with a second slice of toast, ate, and was happy.

In the end, since this is a two-slice sandwich containing chicken, cold
bacon and tomato, it is hard to see what distinguishes it from any other
sandwich. Hmm, the toast is a bit odd - normally one would grill or fry
the thing if the bread weren't fit to eat in its natural state, but
really this is just a chicken sandwich. The bacon adds a little
something, but this no BLT.

[Robert Bannister]

On 13/05/2014 6:17 am, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On Monday, May 12, 2014 3:54:29 PM UTC-6, Mike L wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 May 2014 09:56:38 -0400, Tony Cooper
>> <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 12 May 2014 14:39:13 +0100, LFS
>>> <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> Now, what - and why - is a club sandwich?
>>
>>> It's a three-slices-of-bread sandwich that has bacon, lettuce, and
>>> tomato and sometimes some other meat like roast beef or chicken.

So how is it different from a standard BLT? The three slices, I suppose,
but three slices of toast would be hard to eat. I'm used to fresh, moist
bread in a club sandwich.

[Robert Bannister]

On 12/05/2014 4:13 pm, Guy Barry wrote:
> "Robert Bannister" wrote in message
> news:btajc1...@mid.individual.net...
>>

>> On 12/05/2014 3:36 am, James Silverton wrote:
>
>>> When did the English (or even the British) start using the word "butty".
>>> I don't remember the word from my childhood and noticed it 20 or 30
>>> years ago, characterized in literature as rather low class.
>>>

>> Northern English. I think Ken Dodds introduced us southerners to the
>> word.
>
> I suppose I should forgive you since you've been out of the country for
> so long, but his name's Ken Dodd - and he's still performing at the age
> of 86:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Dodd
>

Good heavens. I do hope he never got mixed up in that Savile, Harris and
who knows who else mess. Not one of my favourite comedians, but I'm glad
he's still going.
Having looked him up, I was surprised to find that Knotty Ash is a real
place, but then then the first time I drove a girl from a London party
to her home in East Didsbury, I was surprised to discover that was a
real place too.

[Tony Cooper]

On Tue, 13 May 2014 10:43:18 +0800, Robert Bannister
<rob...@clubtelco.com> wrote:

>On 13/05/2014 6:17 am, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>> On Monday, May 12, 2014 3:54:29 PM UTC-6, Mike L wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 May 2014 09:56:38 -0400, Tony Cooper
>>> <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 12 May 2014 14:39:13 +0100, LFS
>>>> <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>> Now, what - and why - is a club sandwich?
>>>
>>>> It's a three-slices-of-bread sandwich that has bacon, lettuce, and
>>>> tomato and sometimes some other meat like roast beef or chicken.
>
>So how is it different from a standard BLT?

The extra ingredient of roast beef or chicken. Without the extra
ingredient, it is a BLT.

>The three slices, I suppose,
>but three slices of toast would be hard to eat. I'm used to fresh, moist
>bread in a club sandwich.
--

[Guy Barry]

"Jack Campin" wrote in message
news:bogus-ECBAB1....@four.schnuerpel.eu...

[Someone - probably Yurui Liu - wrote:]

>> If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
>> how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?
>
>I always assumed it meant a small plateful, but I'd never
>use the phrase, since I'm not sure what it really means.

I'm reassured to know that I'm not the only person who suffered from this
misapprehension. I think it *ought* to mean that even though it doesn't.

--
Guy Barry

[Mike Barnes]

mrucb...@att.net wrote:
> On Sunday, May 11, 2014 11:04:24 AM UTC-5, Leslie Danks wrote:
>> Yurui Liu wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
>>
>>> how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?
>>
>>
>>
>> I understand a round of sandwiches to be made using two slices of sliced
>>
>> bread. This will then be cut into halves, quarters or quarters
>>
>> diagonally depending on local custom. I believe some people think that
>>
>> diagonally is posher. Since a sandwich (IMO) is a single item, a round
>>
>> of sandwiches can consist of one, two or four individual sandwiches. I
>>
>> doubt that it is possible to use "round" in connection with other types
>>
>> of sandwich, but it wouldn't surprise me if someone decided to lecture
>>
>> us on the meaning of a "round of submarine" or "haburger", etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Leslie (Les) Danks (BrE)
>>
>> Purity is chemistry's essential Platonic rabbit.
>
> You might gather that an interpretation of a 'round of sandwiches' being, in
> fact, one sandwich, could be confusing. And that cutting it? them? up
> makes 'more sandwiches', more so. But it is clear to those who would use the
> terminology, I'm sure.

Quite so: the British, as in the subject line, don't find the idea
difficult.

> If one cut a small baguette in half lengthwise and
> made a sandwich out of it, could that be a round of sandwiches?

Not in BrE. The idea of a round applies only to sandwiches made of
slices cut from a loaf in the conventional manner.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

[Guy Barry]

"Robert Bannister" wrote in message

news:btdfqg...@mid.individual.net...

>
>On 12/05/2014 4:13 pm, Guy Barry wrote:

>> I suppose I should forgive you since you've been out of the country for
>> so long, but his name's Ken Dodd - and he's still performing at the age
>> of 86:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Dodd
>>
>Good heavens. I do hope he never got mixed up in that Savile, Harris and
>who knows who else mess. Not one of my favourite comedians, but I'm glad
>he's still going.

Contrary to reports, not *all* entertainers of that era have been accused of
sexual abuse. Of course Ken Dodd had his own scandal back in 1989 when he
was charged with tax evasion (though acquitted).

>Having looked him up, I was surprised to find that Knotty Ash is a real
>place,

You're not alone; it's a common misapprehension that Ken Dodd invented
Knotty Ash, even though he was born there.

--
Guy Barry

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

On Tue, 13 May 2014 09:21:19 +0800, Robert Bannister

<rob...@clubtelco.com> wrote:

>On 12/05/2014 8:52 am, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 May 2014 08:25:24 +0800, Robert Bannister
>> <rob...@clubtelco.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/05/2014 12:06 am, Guy Barry wrote:
>>>> "Yurui Liu" wrote in message
>>>> news:a176d9c1-839a-452f...@googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> If someone says he has eaten a round of sandwiches,
>>>>> how many sandwiches has he eaten? One or more?
>>>>
>>>> However many sandwiches the person made for the round. It's not a fixed
>>>> number. Cf. "round of drinks".
>>>>
>>> I don't think it means that. I take to refer to "rounds of bread" - two
>>> rounds of bread making one round of sandwich, but the latter is not
>>> really an English expression. In fact, it's such a strange sentence, I
>>> think I would ask the speaker to explain what he did mean.
>>
>> I recall in the 1950s before we left England, the grocer sold a
>> cylindrical loaf of bread; therefore the slices were round. I think
>> my mother referred to it as "milk bread".
>>
>
>"Milk loaf".

Here is a description, recipe and pictures of a cylindrical tin in which
a milk loaf is baked:
http://www.lavenderandlovage.com/2013/01/down-memory-lane-with-my-old-fashioned-milk-loaf-recipe.html

[Peter Duncanson [BrE]]

East Didsbury was also a real place when I lived there with my first
wife in the mid-1960s.

[Cheryl]

I'd never even encountered the term until I read this thread.

--
Cheryl

[Jack Campin]

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Dodd
> Good heavens. I do hope he never got mixed up in that Savile, Harris and
> who knows who else mess. Not one of my favourite comedians, but I'm glad
> he's still going.

He was a tax fraudster who only escaped jail because he was famous and
well connected.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 6:00:09 AM UTC-4, PeterWD wrote:

> East Didsbury was also a real place when I lived there with my first
> wife in the mid-1960s.

But when you lived there with your second wife, it wasn't?

But when you lived there in the late 1950s, it wasn't?

[Without extraneous modifiers, Gracie Allen wouldn't have had much
of a career.]

[LFS]

On 13/05/2014 11:00, Peter Duncanson [BrE] wrote:
> On Tue, 13 May 2014 10:54:05 +0800, Robert Bannister
> <rob...@clubtelco.com> wrote:

>> Having looked him up, I was surprised to find that Knotty Ash is a real
>> place, but then then the first time I drove a girl from a London party
>> to her home in East Didsbury, I was surprised to discover that was a
>> real place too.

Quite a drive, that.

>
> East Didsbury was also a real place when I lived there with my first
> wife in the mid-1960s.
>
>

At that time I was just down the road in Withington.

--
Laura (emulate St George for email)