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in French (news articles), the word [chef] means (cooking) "chef" maybe 60% of the time.

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henh...@gmail.com

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Apr 14, 2023, 1:34:04 PM4/14/23
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in English (news articles), the word [chef] means (cooking) "chef" 99+% of the time.

in French (news articles), the word [chef] means (cooking) "chef" maybe 60% of the time.



[ Deux chefs d'un restaurant ]
[ Le chef des restaurants ]
------------- not clear to me if (without Context)
[chef d'un restaurant] could mean
(not cooking-Chef, but) a Chief-manager of a restaurant.

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France Bleu -- Deux chefs d'un restaurant gastronomique bordelais accusés de harcèlement envers un apprenti
--------------- Le JDD révèle que le chef cuistot et le chef pâtissier d'un restaurant gastronomique bordelais, "La table de Montaigne" au Palais Gallien,...
.2 days ago

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France Bleu -- Le chef des restaurants le Beyel, à Origné, et de la Benâtre, au bord de la Mayenne, s'en va
----------------- Thomas Craipeau, le chef cuisinier de deux restaurants à Origné, a décidé de prendre une nouvelle orientation dans sa jeune carrière.
.2 days ago



le chef pâtissier <--- this person is not a [chef] in English.

Bebercito

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Apr 14, 2023, 2:55:59 PM4/14/23
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Le vendredi 14 avril 2023 à 19:34:04 UTC+2, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
> in English (news articles), the word [chef] means (cooking) "chef" 99+% of the time.
>
> in French (news articles), the word [chef] means (cooking) "chef" maybe 60% of the time.
>

Yes, but it's short for "chef cuisinier ", also "chef de cuisine", which is
the full title.

>
>
> [ Deux chefs d'un restaurant ]
> [ Le chef des restaurants ]
> ------------- not clear to me if (without Context)
> [chef d'un restaurant] could mean
> (not cooking-Chef, but)

> a Chief-manager of a restaurant.

No, that one would be a "directeur de restaurant". The first three
mean "cooking chef".

>
> __________________________
> France Bleu -- Deux chefs d'un restaurant gastronomique bordelais accusés de harcèlement envers un apprenti
> --------------- Le JDD révèle que le chef cuistot et le chef pâtissier d'un restaurant gastronomique bordelais, "La table de Montaigne" au Palais Gallien,...
> .2 days ago
>
> __________________________________________________
> France Bleu -- Le chef des restaurants le Beyel, à Origné, et de la Benâtre, au bord de la Mayenne, s'en va
> ----------------- Thomas Craipeau, le chef cuisinier de deux restaurants à Origné, a décidé de prendre une nouvelle orientation dans sa jeune carrière.
> .2 days ago
>
>
>
> le chef pâtissier <--- this person is not a [chef] in English.

No, but in France, almost all catering trades have job titles that include
the label of "chef", e.g. also "chef fromager", "chef poissonnier", "chef
chocolatier", you name it. When the context is clear enough, those
complete titles are more often than not reduced to "chef(s)".

bruce bowser

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Apr 14, 2023, 3:06:13 PM4/14/23
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On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 2:55:59 PM UTC-4, Bebercito wrote:
> Le vendredi 14 avril 2023 à 19:34:04 UTC+2, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
> > in English (news articles), the word [chef] means (cooking) "chef" 99+% of the time.
> >
> > in French (news articles), the word [chef] means (cooking) "chef" maybe 60% of the time.
> >
> Yes, but it's short for "chef cuisinier ", also "chef de cuisine", which is
> the full title.
> >
> >
> > [ Deux chefs d'un restaurant ]
> > [ Le chef des restaurants ]
> > ------------- not clear to me if (without Context)
> > [chef d'un restaurant] could mean
> > (not cooking-Chef, but)
>
> > a Chief-manager of a restaurant.
> No, that one would be a "directeur de restaurant". The first three
> mean "cooking chef".

You are referring to<< chef d'un restaurant >> or << Le chef des >>?

Bebercito

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Apr 14, 2023, 3:13:35 PM4/14/23
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Both.

henh...@gmail.com

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Apr 14, 2023, 7:24:06 PM4/14/23
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thanks... correction:

> > le chef pâtissier <--- this person is a [pastry chef] in English.


( A pastry chef or pâtissier is a station chef in a professional kitchen, skilled in the making of pastries, desserts, breads and other baked goods.

In Italy, France, and Belgium, the pâtissier is a pastry chef who has completed a lengthy training process, typically an apprenticeship, and passed a written ... )


not SUI ? not Luxembourg ?

Hibou

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Apr 15, 2023, 3:46:47 AM4/15/23
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Le 14/04/2023 à 18:34, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
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> in English (news articles), the word [chef] means (cooking) "chef" 99+% of the time.
>
> in French (news articles), the word [chef] means (cooking) "chef" maybe 60% of the time. [...]

C'est sans doute vrai, chef. Macron is the chef of state, Borne the chef
of government, etc..

'Chef' can also mean 'head' in a physical sense - 'opiner du chef', to
nod (agree with the head) - 'couvre-chef', hat (cover-head)....

henh...@gmail.com

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Apr 15, 2023, 4:11:07 AM4/15/23
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chef , chapeau (and cape) all come from the same root.

(mischief, handkerchief)


>>> Borrowed from French chef (from the positions of chef d'office and chef de cuisine),[1] from Old French chief (“head, leader”) (English chief), from Vulgar Latin capus (“head”) (from which also captain, chieftain), from Latin caput (“head”) (English cap (“head covering”)), from Proto-Indo-European *kauput- (English head). Doublet of chief and caput.


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