Re: Blinkers and flags [was: Re: Hitler's signature exposes alphabetic symbolism and secrets]
Peter Duncanson
<d.phil...@ttrryytteell.com> wrote:
>
>Sailors could signal with flags using either Semaphore or
>Morse code. Latter is dots and dashes (short and long
>movements of the flag) former is a series of stationary
>postures (beloved of fans of Swallows and Amazons).
>Morse was faster but required more skill to read clearly
>so the RN used Semaphore with flags and Morse on the
>Aldis lamp.
>
For the few who might be interested:
I was a spectator at the Coronation Procession of Queen Elizabeth II in
London in 1953.
At intervals along the route were military communications posts.
So as to ensure that the messages got through there were three methods of
communication in use.
The RN used semaphore, the Army used field telephones and someone else used
radio. I can't recall who operated the radios - Army or RAF.
It was rather amusing to watch. There would be long periods of idly lolling
around interspersed with sudden bursts of simultaneous phoning, radioing,
and flag waving.
Technology, of course, has developed since then. On that occasion the only
truly portable items of signalling equipment were the semaphore flags.
--
Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from a.u.e)
Gray Shockley
> re...@ij.net wrote:
>
>> Virtually unknown autographs of the leader of the National Socialist
>> German Workers' Party show that the Hakenkreuz-swastika was used to
>> symbolize intertwined "S" shapes for the Party.
>> http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a4.html Examples are at
>> http://rexcurry.net/swastika-socialism4.gif and they show that the
>> leader of the monstrous Party was aware of the practice, and perhaps
>> the source of the practice. Adolph Hitler's signatures and other
>> evidence show that common symbols under the National Socialist German
>> Workers' Party often used the "S" shape, including the side-by-side
>> use in the "SS" Divison and the overlapping use in the Hakenkreuz. The
>> autographs support the discovery by the historian Rex Curry that the
>> swastika, although an ancient symbol, was used also to represent "S"
>> shapes for "Socialism" and its victory under the horrid National
>> Socialist German Workers' Party. For additional proof see a newly
>> discovered youth's book at http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a3.html
>> posters http://rexcurry.net/socialism-posters/posters2.html and
>> posters at http://rexcurry.net/socialist-propaganda/posters1.html and
>> German medals at http://rexcurry.net/socialism/germany.html and
>> flags and banners at http://rexcurry.net/swastikaflags.html and for
>> a fuller explanation see http://rexcurry.net/swastikanews.html
>>
>> Copyright © 2005 by RexCurry.net Trademark 2005 by RexCurry.net All
>> rights reserved
>>
>> (Oppose socialism and support libertarianism. To learn more see Rex
>> Curry at http://rexcurry.net or contact re...@ij.net or
>> rexa...@hotmail.com or ecu...@interaccess.net ).
>
> Yes, yes! And the Nazi movement was also embraced by Chevrolet, what with
> all those SS models and everything. Even I owned a couple of those. Scary!
>
I had a nextdoor neighbor who (along with his bank) owned
one of those. It's, prolly, not a great surprise to you
that it had a red interior.
Gray Shockley
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President George W C Bush's business professor at Harvard
Business School, Professor Yoshi Tsurumi, recalls our
President as "not just as a terrible student but as
spoiled, loutish and a pathological liar".
re...@ij.net
you gave me the opportunity to point that out and mock you. Thanks.
re...@ij.net
Babs is still sore because I once shamed him into using the actual name
of the monstrous "National Socialist German Workers' Party." He can't
live it down so he follows me around to show that he won't ever use the
actual name of the party ever again, as he proudly waives his re-found
intellectual dishonesty. He is back to covering up for his national
socialists here and abroad and he is even defending Hitler's book "Mein
Kampf" this time. It is scary how much he tries to impress me and
others by following me around. He always says that he does not want
to read my posts, while explaining that this is why he reads all my
posts. Very obsessive.
re...@ij.net
know that he also does not have any intelligent comments. Please don't
feed Pete the troll. Usually its postings appear here and are ignored
and it goes away. Pete, we all realize that like Bob and Skitt and
Mike, I taught you something you did not know. It is funny the way
that so many people here (& Pete) do not realize that they are loudly
announcing that I taught them something that they did not know, even
though they are too ashamed to actually say so, nor to even make a
relevant response. In their bizarre ways they all reveal a relevant
point and they compliment me for educating them. Thanks!
Ray Heindl
> "Bob Cunningham" <exw...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> Sailors could signal with flags using either Semaphore or
> Morse code. Latter is dots and dashes (short and long
> movements of the flag) former is a series of stationary
> postures (beloved of fans of Swallows and Amazons).
Let us not forget the semaphore version of _Wuthering Heights_, a Monty
Python sketch. It also included "Julius Caesar on an Aldis Lamp" and
the Morse code version of "Shootout at the OK Corral", if memory
serves.
> Morse was faster but required more skill to read clearly
> so the RN used Semaphore with flags and Morse on the
> Aldis lamp.
>
>> A straightforward way to make a blinker would be to turn a
>> light bulb on and off, using the switch as a Morse-code key.
>> I've used an ordinary flashlight that way, but light bulbs
>> don't last long if you repeatedly turn them on and off. The
>> blinker inventor left the light on continuously but "keyed"
>> the Morse symbols by closing and opening a shutter in front
>> of the bulb.
I've seen another type that used a reflector lamp, similar to a car
headlight, with a narrow beam. The trigger pivoted the lamp up and
down; in the up position it pointed at the target being sighted on, and
in the down position it pointed into the water. I have no idea where I
saw this, though.
--
Ray Heindl
(remove the Xs to reply)
Mike Lyle
[...]
> I've seen another type that used a reflector lamp, similar to a car
> headlight, with a narrow beam. The trigger pivoted the lamp up and
> down; in the up position it pointed at the target being sighted on,
> and in the down position it pointed into the water. I have no idea
> where I saw this, though.
That's how a heliograph worked. The shutter version would be lighter
to manipulate, and carry no risk of sending out odd reflections.
--
Mike.
Martin Ambuhl
> My groupie lojbab showed up again (with his cohort Topaz, of course).
> Babs is still sore because I once shamed him into using the actual name
> of the monstrous "National Socialist German Workers' Party."
I'm sure that your extensive research should have led you to the
realization that "National Socialist German Workers' Party" was *not*
the "actual name." The actual name is "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche
Arbeiterpartei." Its name is no more prescriptive of its program than
are those of the "Progressive Conservative Party" (Canada) and the
"Partido Revolucionario Institucional" (Mexico).
Ray Heindl
Moving the lamp would also be more likely to break the lamp filament,
by shaking it back and forth. I don't know what the advantage of the
pivoting-lamp design was supposed to be. Maybe just a way to get
around Aldis's patent, if any.
Gray Shockley
You're the newbie, PsychoBoy.
Your obsession with mass murderers is something for which
you need to beg treatment no matter how badly broken is
your brain.
Heel, Rex. Bad boy. Bad, bad RexiePoo.
Neutering you, RexieWack, would have been redundant.
Three strikes, Rexie, No Balls and a "life" - such as it is
- full of errors.
Now, RexBoy, are you going to go into your Reflexive,
Imitative, Sociopathic state and re-arrange words so that
your confession of your inadequacy is displayed to your
betters? If you can't feel free, Rexie, feel cheap.
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
It starts when you're always afraid
It starts when you're always afraid
when you're always afraid
when you're always afraid
you're always afraid
you're always afraid
always afraid
always afraid
afraid
afraid
afraid
afraid
afraid
afraid
Gray Shockley
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©Stephen Stills 1966
Cary Kittrell
> Wow, you really do love Nazis and covering up for them with your absurd
> comments in which you excuse them as equivalent to a car company.
Actually, there's a much more benign explanation.
-- cary
Topaz
"Holocaust revisionism, ie, the examination of the supposed
genociding of Jews in the Third Reich. The generally-accepted version
of this event -- or, more properly, this NON-event -- is what I call
the Orthodox Jewish Version of the Holocaust, or OJV for short, which
holds in its present version that the nazis killed 'six million' Jews
in 'gas chambers'. As it happens, however, there are numerous problems
with the OJV. The following is a list of the major ones.
* The 'evidence' for the OJV consists primarily of the records of the
court proceedings of the Nuremberg trials. As it happens, however,
vengeful Jews were largely in charge of these trials. (According to
Louis Marshalko in his book The World Conquerers, of the 3000 persons
on the trial staff, 2400 were Jews.) Adding to the problem was the
fact that (1) there was no historical precedent for war crimes trials
in which only the vanquished were called to account for their actions;
and (2) these trials violated the fundamental principle of fairness
that no one is to be tried for violating a law that was instituted 'ex
post facto', ie, after the crime was committed.
* 'Confessions' used in the trial were highly dubious, since many were
extracted by torture or or other unethical means, such as threatening
the families of the accused (According to British scholar Vivian Bird,
more than one hundred German defendants had their testicles beaten to
a pulp by 'interrogators'.) Two confessions were particularly
egregious: That of Rudolf Hoss, commandant of Auschwitz, which was
(among other things) written in a language he did not even understand,
and which provided the major basis for the 'six million' figure; and
that of Kurt Gerstein, the dubiousness of which was the subject of a
French doctoral dissertation.
* Many of the atrocities that were seriously alleged at the trials are
now rejected by even establishment historians as false, the most
prominent of which are the stories that Jewish bodies were made into
soap and their skin was made into lampshades. Evidently such stories
were created as war propaganda, just as were similar stories in WW1
about 'Huns' who were 'bayonetting babies'.
* The defendants in the trials had no opportunity to gather evidence
in their defense, and in addition were often given poor food,
subjected to freezing weather without proper clothing, deprived of
sleep, and -- as stated earlier -- often brutally beaten. Furthermore,
those who were condemned to death had their sentences postponed until
they could be carried out on the Jewish High Holy Days in a sort of
'blood libel' celebration.
* The printed trial transcripts often do not match the trial
recordings, and were evidently deliberately changed to cover up
embarrassing facts brought out by defendants in their trials.
* Auschwitz was not a 'death camp', as alleged at the trials, but a
large industrial complex in Poland, and the inmates were forced
laborers. The nazis were desperate for labor, so it would have been
irrational for them to have 'gassed' anyone, and equally irrational
for them to have mistreated inmates or underfed them. In fact, there
was a special court, under SS Judge Konrad Morgen, to try complaints
against camp personnel for abusing inmates. Beyond this, Heinrich
Himmler, who held principal authority over the camps, sent a memo to
all camp commandants stating that inmate deaths must be reduced 'at
all costs' -- hardly something one would expect to find in a 'death
camp'. And while it was alleged at the trials that 4 million Jews were
'gassed' at Auschwitz, the German camp records were not admitted into
evidence, and would probably have vindicated many of the defendants if
they had been. In particular, the Auschwitz death books, which were
released by the Russian government about a decade ago, show that only
about 74,000 people died at Auschwitz in all the years of its
operation, most from typhus, with only about 30,000 of them being
Jews. Furthermore, the crematoria were intended not for the 'killing
of Jews', but rather for the sanitary disposal of the bodies of those
who died from typhus.
* While there were Allied spies in most camps reporting on camp
conditions by radio, none of these spies ever made a report about mass
killings or 'gas chambers'. The idea of 'gas chambers' evidently arose
from the fact that all the clothes of arriving inmates were
disinfected in a kind of gas chamber in which Zyklon B was used to
kill lice which were feared as disease vectors (Lousy Jews?). These
delousing chambers, it should be noted, were far too small for killing
people, particularly in the numbers posited by the OJV. It should also
be noted that Zyklon B, the form of cyanide supposedly used to kill
Jews, was in fact a special form of slow- release cyanide which was
appropriate for de-lousing clothing, but inappropriate for the
instantaneous killing that was supposedly done in the "gas chambers".
(The irony of Germans being accused of killing Jews by an instrument
which they (Germans) used for preserving Jewish lives should not go
unnoticed.) In addition, as revisionists have noted, such killings
would have been impossible on the scale claimed by the OJV because
cyanide is so dangerous that the bodies would have had to lie for
hours before they could be safely removed, even by those wearing
protective clothing and gas masks. Beyond this, cyanide gas is
explosive, so that any little spark, as from the friction of shoes on
the floor, or any flame, as from a cigaret, would have caused any 'gas
chamber' to be transported to the place where it was supposedly
sending Jews.
* Revisionists have proved that the rooms alleged to be 'gas chambers'
could not possibly have served this purpose. The first investigation
of this problem was done not for the Nuremberg trials, but rather many
years later by Fred Leuchter, an American engineer and execution
expert, who took samples from the walls of supposed 'gas chambers' at
several camps and found that there was essentially no cyanide residue
-- an impossibility if the rooms had been used as alleged. (Altho
Leuchter's work was flawed, his conclusions have been confirmed
independently by two other experts, Walter Luftl and Germar Rudolf.)
Other problems posed for the OJV by the alleged 'gas chambers' involve
such things as no air circulatory system for dispersing or ventilating
the gas, no means for heating the Zyklon B discs for proper dispersal,
the fact that the doors of the 'gas chambers' opened from the INSIDE,
and that Allied aerial photographs of Auschwitz during the war showed
no holes in the roof of the supposed 'gas chambers' which would have
allowed the introduction of Zyklon B -- a point made by Holocaust
revisionists in their oft-repeated challenge, "No holes; no
Holocaust!"
* There is no good evidence that nazi references to the 'final
solution to the Jewish question' referred to anything other than
removal of Jews from the area of the Third Reich, the (false)
allegations about the Wansee Conference notwithstanding. In
particular, no 'Hitler order' (or order from anyone else) has ever
been discovered, in spite of the known German propensity for extensive
record-keeping, altho there is an internal memo of a phone
conversation with Hitler signed by Hans Lemmerer of the Ministry of
the Interior showing that Hitler wanted the solution of the Jewish
problem SHELVED until the end of the war. Beyond this, the nazis
actually cooperated with the Zionists under the so-called Transfer
Agreement ("Ha'avara") to train Jews for settlement in Palestine, and
the training camps for Zionists were the only places in nazi Germany
in which the flag of the Zionist state was allowed to fly.
* Jewish population numbers published in standard reference works both
before and after the war do not show a decrease of Jewish numbers, but
rather an INCREASE. These reference works also demonstrate that THERE
WERE NOT EVEN SIX MILLION JEWS IN NAZI-OCCUPIED EUROPE
DURING THE PERIOD.
* The 'six million' is a mystical number derived from Jewish
scripture, and in particular is the number of Jews who are said to be
required to die before Israel can be re-established. This accounts for
why "New York governor Martin Glynn, in a major Albany speech in
October 1919 [that's TWENTY YEARS BEFORE THE START OF
WORLD WAR TWO, for all you who are a tad weak on dates], reported at
length on the 'holocaust [of] six million Jewish men and women' who
were dying due to the 'awful tyranny of war and a bigoted lust for
Jewish blood' during the 'Great War'" (Irena Zdiarska, "Holocaust Is
Undeniable -- But Should Be Debated", Barnes Review Oct 94: 27)). It
also accounts for the fact that, in spite of the formal reduction from
4 to 1.1 million of the number of Jews claimed to have been killed at
Auschwitz (see pix of Auschwitz plaques below), the 'six million'
number has never changed, and thus that in the Orwellian Kabbalistic
mathematics on which it is based, six minus three still equals six.
* The OJV has changed significantly over the years. We have already
mentioned that the 'soap' and 'lampshade' allegations are now rejected
by even establishment historians, altho this does not keep Jews from
continuing to hold burial ceremonies for newly-discovered bars of old
Reich soap (we don't know whether they have also done the same for
lampshades.) Another feature of the original OJV that has now changed
was the allegation that Jews were exterminated at the camps in Germany
as well as Poland -- an allegation which has been abandoned for some
time. Yet another abandoned allegation is that mass killings were
carried out by means of steam, electricity, gas vans (using the
exhaust), and burning in pits; and in fact, the Holocaust received its
name from the latter allegation -- yet another irony of this congeries
of lies.
* The one thing which has done most to convince people that the
allegations of German atrocities are true is the film clips we have
all seen of the liberation of the concentration camps, in which bodies
are shown piled high, and surviving inmates are seen to be little more
than walking skeletons. But in fact these admittedly-shocking films do
not make a case for German atrocities, and in fact actually refute the
notion of "gas chambers": If Germans were gassing Jews by the
millions, as the OJV alleges, then Jews simply would not be around
long enuf to starve, as the "walking skeletons" and emaciated bodies
of the dead obviously were doing. The starvation, it should be noted,
was simply a reflection of the fact that, toward the end of the war,
the German supply lines had broken down, and food was not getting to
the camps. And above all, one should not think that there is anything
unique to Germany about "walking skeletons" in "concentration camps":
Exactly the same thing happened at the Andersonville prison during the
American Civil War, and the nearby photo is a picture of one of those
inmates.
* If there is any one thing which is a clinching argument to the
matter of the OJV, it is the fact that it is illegal to openly express
doubt about this story in most countries of the Western world,
including Germany (of course!), Israel (of course!), Austria (of
course!), Spain, France, Australia, and Canada; and in those few
countries in which it is not illegal, the laws forbidding 'race hate'
are increasingly being interpreted as forbidding such expression. The
point here is that fact does not require the support of legislation --
only falsehood does. And of course it does not take a rocket scientist
to figure who is behind this illegalization; nor does it take a rocket
scientist to figure why cases of 'Holocaust denial' are so vigorously
prosecuted: Jews, and particularly Israel, have profited in numerous
ways and by billions of dollars in playing this scam, including an
unending number of Holocaust movies (more than 400 at last count,
according to scholar Michael Hoffman), Holocaust museums (popping up
everywhere), Holocaust books (Elie 'The Weasel' Wiesel has written
more than 30; The Diary of Anne Frank is a perennial best- seller,
etc, etc, etc), TV dramas (the airing of "Holocaust' in 1970 is when
the scam really took off), 'survivors' by the millions -- all
pensioned by the German government, shakedowns of companies which
supposedly profited from 'slave labor' or were otherwise tinged by
Third- Reich-related activities (eg, IBM, Swiss banks), and of course
the billions in 'reparations', 'foreign aid' and other 'guilt money'
showered on Israel by Germany and the US. It has gotten so bad that
Jewish Professor Norman Finkelstein calls it "The Holocaust Industry"
in
his book by the same name, where he quotes his mother as asking, "If
Hitler killed so many Jews, then where did all the 'survivors' come
from?" No need to explain, then, why there is a saying among Jews that
"There's no business like Shoah (Holocaust) business."
* The only facts that come within even a country mile of supporting
the contention of nazi extermination of Jews are reports of the
shootings on the Eastern front of communist partisans, many of whom
were Jews. The following is what Lawrence Nevers has had to say on the
subject:
continued"
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Jews-HoloRev.html
www.spearhead-uk.com http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
Martin Ambuhl
>
> "Holocaust revisionism, ie, the examination of the supposed
> genociding of Jews in the Third Reich. The generally-accepted version
> of this event -- or, more properly, this NON-event
Oh, my. Another complete idiot ...
[...]
> continued"
You wish.
*PLONK*
re...@ij.net
Bob Cunningham
[...]
> It is amazing how you love Nazis and cover up for them with your absurd
> comments in which you excuse them as equivalent to car companies.
Now if he had mentioned the thousands of steamships that
have plied the world's oceans with names like "SS Queen
Mary" and "SS Vachel Lindsay", that would have been
something else.
Bob Cunningham
<ski...@comcast.net> said:
> Mike Lyle wrote:
> > Skitt wrote:
> >> re...@ij.net wrote:
> >>> Wow, you really do love Nazis and covering up for them with your
> >>> absurd comments in which you excuse them as equivalent to a car
> >>> company.
> >> Naah, I just like yanking the chain of those who are overly obsessive
> >> about some things. You're too easy, though.
> >> You actually took my post seriously, huh? You are worse off than I
> >> thought. It was sarcasm, dude!
> > Skitt, baby, look what your screen name begins with! You didn't use a
> > double-s word like "obsessive" by accident, come on! You think he
> > can't see how many times the letter s appears in "seriously" and
> > "sarcasm"?
> Hey, watch it! You are blowing my cover.
> > Don't mention chains, for God's sake! You know those ones where the
> > links are sort of figure-eight shape? Well, can't you see they're
> > really bloody totalitarian Ss? Not just double, but over and over and
> > over again. The Bellamys did that! And FDR funded it through taxes!
> > See how many esses there are in the Tennessee Valley Authority! FDR's
> > minions didn't hand out all those cheap electric stoves without a
> > good reason. YAWANNAKNOWHY????!!!!!
> Then there's that recent (1996) German spelling reform, relaxing the rules
> on the eszet and promoting more "ss" into the language. If that isn't the
> work of Neo-Nazis, I don't know what is. It's a conspiracy, I tells ya.
> We're doomed. Not even Rexy can save us.
> Above all, don't mention the war.
But if you do, don't mention Russia, with its double-S. And
steer clear of the Russian abbreviation for the Soviet
Union. Transliterated, it's SSSR. Three "S"s in a row:
That's REALLY scary.
R H Draney
>
>But if you do, don't mention Russia, with its double-S. And
>steer clear of the Russian abbreviation for the Soviet
>Union. Transliterated, it's SSSR. Three "S"s in a row:
>That's REALLY scary.
UNtransliterated, of course, it's CCCP, leading to the old gag of asking someone
which C stood for "Communist"....
If consecutive letters are somehow inherently creepy, what of the Arizona Health
Care Cost Containment System, pronounced "access"?...r
re...@ij.net
otherwise asinine in that the "SS Queen Mary" and "SS Vachel Lindsay"
were not used by a group of self-described socialists who used the word
"socialist" in their name, as you have noted in your acclaim for my
discovery wherein you concede that was the case for the National
Socialist German Workers' Party which used the double S letters of the
Hakenkreuz - swastika.
re...@ij.net
your earlier comment is otherwise asinine in that the "SS Queen Mary"
and "SS Vachel Lindsay" were not used by a group of self-described
socialists who used the word "socialist" in their name, as you have
noted in your acclaim for my discovery wherein you concede that was
the case for the National Socialist German Workers' Party which used
doing a tad better in that you are pointing out that the USSR and the
SSSR did refer to self-described socialists who used the word
"socialist" in their name, as you have noted in your acclaim for my
discovery wherein you concede that was the case for the National
Socialist German Workers' Party which used the double S letters of the
of Soviet Socialist Republics was doing do before the National
Socialist German Workers' Party, essentially serving as an example for
similar use of the term socialist in its name.
re...@ij.net
comments that consecutive letters are somehow inherently creepy. As
you note, that is not the topic at all. Bob's comment was especially
asinine regarding the "SS Queen Mary" and "SS Vachel Lindsay" which
were not used by a group of self-described socialists who used the word
wherein he conceded that was the case for the National Socialist
German Workers' Party which used the double S letters of the Hakenkreuz
self-described socialists, not commuists as you informed him.
re...@ij.net
symbolizing "Socialism" for the monstrous National Socialist German
Workers' Party. http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a2a.html Graphic
examples are at http://rexcurry.net/swastika-vw-logo.JPG The German
word for "swastika" is "Hakenkreuz" ("hooked cross" or "armed cross").
Germany in the 1930's often used symbols for letters and words. Common
symbols under the National Socialist German Workers' Party often used
the "S" shape, including the side-by-side use in the "SS" Divison and
the overlapping use in the Hakenkreuz - swastika.
Hitler was aware of the practice, and perhaps the source of the
practice, in that he evolved "Adolf Hitler" into "S Hitler" in his own
signature. http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a4.html It was a manner
of declaring his socialism every time he signed his name and it was
equivalent to signing "Socialist Hitler."
It is part of growing evidence that supports the discovery by the
historian Rex Curry (in the book "Swastika Secrets") that the
Hakenkreuz, although an ancient symbol, was used also to represent "S"
shapes for "Socialism" and its victory under the horrid National
Socialists. For additional proof of the use of the "S" shapes of the
"sieg" runes see a newly discovered youth's book at
http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a3.html and posters
http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1b.html and more posters at
http://rexcurry.net/socialist-propaganda/posters1.html and German
medals at http://rexcurry.net/socialism/germany.html and flags and
banners at http://rexcurry.net/swastikaflags.html and for a fuller
explanation see http://rexcurry.net/swastikanews.html
Born out of sinister intentions, the VW Beetle was propaganda for
German socialists in helping create unity in pre-war Germany. Hitler
imposed socialism in the car market and pushed the project.
In 1930 Ferdinand Porsche set up an automotive design company, the
Porsche Büro. In 1933, Adolf Hitler met with Porsche to discuss the
socialist leader's idea of a volkswagen.
Literally, the word "volkswagen" means "people's car" (cf. "folk's
wagon"). When the early VW versions were introduced, Hitler abruptly
changed the name of the car to KdF Wagen. KdF stood for "Kraft durch
Freude" which meant "Strength through Joy." This upset Porsche, as he
was not a member of Hitler's Nazi-Sozi party, and he didn't support
Hitler's use of socialist propaganda to advertise the car.
Before WW II, when the car was still socialism's "Strength through
Joy" car the logo was surrounded by the gear shaped emblem of the
German Labor Front, a socialist group that built it. The National
Socialist German Workers' Party had begun as the "German Workers'
Party" before adding "National Socialist" to its name.
Sometime after 1945, the car company was re-named Volkswagen by the
British, who also renamed the town at the factory "Wolfsburg", which
was the name of a local castle.
Volkswagen's iconic buttressing of V and W was the creation of an
engineer named Franz Reimspiess. He was also the same man who perfected
the engine for the Beetle in the 1930s.
Nikolai Borg, 86, who now lives in Austria, says he was involved in the
development of the VW logo. The young commercial artist impressed
others when he won the competition for the creation of a logo for the
"Deutsche Jugendherbergswerk" (German youth mountain hostel work?).
Borg says that he was invited to draw the car logo in a request from
high-up: Dr. Ing. Fritz Todt, with the "organization Todt" the general
inspector for roads and a militarily organized building troop which was
used in the entire theater of war. Borg made nine drafts with
different connections of the letters V and W before the final version
was created.
re...@ij.net
Republics illistrates how the National Socialist German Workers' Party
came to use the swastika as intertwined "S" shapes symbolizing
"Socialism" for the monstrous National Socialists in Germany.
http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1c.html More examples are in the book
"Swastika Secrets" at http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.html
The Nazi-Sozi word for "swastika" was "Hakenkreuz" ("hooked cross" or
"armed cross").
Germany in the 1930's often used symbols for letters and words. Common
symbols under the National Socialist German Workers' Party often used
the "S" shape, including the side-by-side use in the "SS" Divison and
the overlapping use in the Hakenkreuz - swastika.
Official use of the swastika by Socialists in Germany was preceded by
the use of the hammer and sickle by socialists in Russia, in 1917. The
hammer & sickle was a symbol of the socialist movement signifying the
alliance of workers and peasants. Placing the tools together
symbolised unity between agricultural and industrial workers. It also
glorified harsh manual labor dictated by the socialists government.
The swastika was a symbol of the socialist movement signifying the
alliance of socialists within the National Socialist German Workers'
Party. In 1919, Adolf Hitler joined the German Workers' Party, a
socialist group. The group sought a new name that would attract
socialists in other groups. Other German socialist groups used terms
like “National” and “Socialist” in their titles, and the German
Workers' Party adopted “National Socialist German Workers’
Party.” http://rexcurry.net/swastika-union.html
The swastika acquired the same meaning as the group's new name. Graphic
art illustrates the symbolism at
http://rexcurry.net/swastikaequation9b.jpg The intertwined letter
“S” shapes represent “Socialists” unified, or "Socialist
Solidarity" and the victory of the National Socialist German Workers'
Party bringing socialists together in one large group.
Eventually, socialists in Germany joined with socialists in Russia as
allies to invade and partition Poland in 1939 under the notorious
Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, that the Socialist Republics never renounced.
Seven million died in Poland. Under the secret protocols of that pact,
Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and the Romanian provinces of Bessarabia and
Northern Bukovina were ceded to Stalin, as was eastern Poland. As a
result of the War, Finland had its Karelian Peninsula torn away by the
Socialist Republics and 10 countries Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia,
Poland, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary and
Yugoslavia suffered under the Socialist Republics for half a century.
In 1917, the hammer and sickle (Russian: серп и молот, "serp
i molot" (serpentine & mallet?) was the symbol of the Russian Soviet
Federated Socialist Republic (RSFSR), the largest and most populous of
the fifteen former republics of the Union of Soviet Socialist
Republics, which became the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in
December 1922. The Russian SFSR became the modern day Russia after the
collapse of the USSR, officially dissolved on December 31, 1991.
Three common abbreviations (USSR, SSSR, CCCP) refer to self-described
socialists who used the word "socialist" in their name, as did the
NSDAP (National Socialist German Workers' Party) which used the double
S letters of the Hakenkreuz - swastika. Russian socialists used
symbolism and the word "socialist" in their group's name, before the
German socialists.
CCCP is actually cyrillic and in Latin letters it would be SSSR and
means: sowjetska sawezna socialisticzka republica (soviet united
socialistic republic).
Untransliterated it was CCCP, and transliterated it was SSSR.
CCCP led to the derisive joke that it signified the "coalition of
collectivist crusaders for the proletariat." It also inspired the old
gag of asking someone which "C" stood for "Communist." Of course, the
abbreviation did not refer to communism, it referred to socialism, as
did the abbreviation and symbol for the National Socialist German
Workers' Party.
Bob LeChevalier
>Thanks for conceding that I am correct. Nevertheless, your comment is
>otherwise asinine in that the "SS Queen Mary" and "SS Vachel Lindsay"
>were not used by a group of self-described socialists
According to you libertarians, anyone who isn't a libertarian is a
socialist. So they undoubtedly qualify, since almost no one is a
libertarian (or would admit to it, at least).
lojbab
--
lojbab loj...@lojban.org
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
Bob LeChevalier
>Nikolai Borg, 86, who now lives in Austria, says he was involved in the
>development of the VW logo. The young commercial artist impressed
>others when he won the competition for the creation of a logo for the
>"Deutsche Jugendherbergswerk" (German youth mountain hostel work?).
>Borg says that he was invited to draw the car logo in a request from
>high-up: Dr. Ing. Fritz Todt, with the "organization Todt" the general
>inspector for roads and a militarily organized building troop which was
>used in the entire theater of war. Borg made nine drafts with
>different connections of the letters V and W before the final version
>was created.
Does he support your claim that he designed the logo for purposes of
socialist symbolism?
Bob LeChevalier
>CCCP is actually cyrillic and in Latin letters it would be SSSR and
>means: sowjetska sawezna socialisticzka republica (soviet united
>socialistic republic).
That isn't Russian (transliterated or otherwise)
The correct form is "Soyuz Sovyetskix Socialisticheskix Respublik" -
"Union of Soviet Socialist Republics". The last three words are in
the genitive plural to convey the "of".
If you are going to propagandize like Topaz and the Nazis, you might
as well be factually correct.
re...@ij.net
the logo for purposes of socialist symbolism as explained in the entire
article. Nikolai Borg, 86, who now lives in Austria, says he was
involved in the development of the VW logo. The young commercial artist
impressed others when he won the competition for the creation of a logo
for the "Deutsche Jugendherbergswerk" (German youth mountain hostel
work?). Borg says that he was invited to draw the car logo in a request
from high-up: Dr. Ing. Fritz Todt, with the "organization Todt" the
general inspector for roads and a militarily organized building troop
which was used in the entire theater of war. Borg made nine drafts
with different connections of the letters V and W before the final
version was created.
And of course you also left out part -
Born out of sinister intentions, the VW Beetle was propaganda for
German socialists in helping create unity in pre-war Germany. Hitler
imposed socialism in the car market and pushed the project.
In 1930 Ferdinand Porsche set up an automotive design company, the
Porsche Büro. In 1933, Adolf Hitler met with Porsche to discuss the
socialist leader's idea of a volkswagen.
Literally, the word "volkswagen" means "people's car" (cf. "folk's
wagon"). When the early VW versions were introduced, Hitler abruptly
changed the name of the car to KdF Wagen. KdF stood for "Kraft durch
Freude" which meant "Strength through Joy." This upset Porsche, as he
was not a member of Hitler's Nazi-Sozi party, and he didn't support
Hitler's use of socialist propaganda to advertise the car.
Before WW II, when the car was still socialism's "Strength through
Joy" car the logo was surrounded by the gear shaped emblem of the
German Labor Front, a socialist group that built it. The National
Socialist German Workers' Party had begun as the "German Workers'
Party" before adding "National Socialist" to its name.
What part of all that did you not understand?
Bob LeChevalier
>Bob, you just quoted the very part that shows that yes he did design
>the logo for purposes of socialist symbolism as explained in the entire
>article.
Nothing in that quote indicates that he SAYS that this was his
purpose.
> Nikolai Borg, 86, who now lives in Austria, says he was
>involved in the development of the VW logo. The young commercial artist
>impressed others when he won the competition for the creation of a logo
>for the "Deutsche Jugendherbergswerk" (German youth mountain hostel
>work?). Borg says that he was invited to draw the car logo in a request
>from high-up: Dr. Ing. Fritz Todt, with the "organization Todt" the
>general inspector for roads and a militarily organized building troop
>which was used in the entire theater of war. Borg made nine drafts
>with different connections of the letters V and W before the final
>version was created.
Not one mention of the words "socialist symbolism" in that paragraph.
>What part of all that did you not understand?
The part that I can't find that states that Borg thinks that he
created a logo for purposes of "socialist symbolism". There is no
doubt as to what YOU think, but what you think is irrelevant nonsense.
You also note that Porsche was unhappy about a different name that
Hitler used besides VW. But Porsche isn't Borg, and no one but you is
quoted as saying that the VW logo is a socialist symbol.
Cary Kittrell
>
> re...@ij.net wrote:
> >Thanks for conceding that I am correct. Nevertheless, your comment is
> >otherwise asinine in that the "SS Queen Mary" and "SS Vachel Lindsay"
> >were not used by a group of self-described socialists
>
> According to you libertarians, anyone who isn't a libertarian is a
> socialist. So they undoubtedly qualify, since almost no one is a
> libertarian (or would admit to it, at least).
The biological equivalent of Libertarianism would be a random
cell, one in the spleen for example, saying "Screw the rest of you!
It's all about me, I don't owe any of you a damn thing, and from
here on out I'm taking whatever I can get."
In the biological system, the term for this is `cancer'.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
{...}
>
> re...@ij.net wrote:
> >CCCP is actually cyrillic and in Latin letters it would be SSSR and
> >means: sowjetska sawezna socialisticzka republica (soviet united
> >socialistic republic).
>
> That isn't Russian (transliterated or otherwise)
> The correct form is "Soyuz Sovyetskix Socialisticheskix Respublik" -
> "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics". The last three words are in
> the genitive plural to convey the "of".
Hey, you beat me to it (and my last Russian was forty years ago)
>
> If you are going to propagandize like Topaz and the Nazis, you might
> as well be factually correct.
Yeppers. And the name of that space station is not "Sawezna".
-- cary
re...@ij.net
what, what is your point?
Thanks again for not disputing anything of any importance.
re...@ij.net
that spelling.
Cary Kittrell
> the software did that. But thanks for not disputing anything beyond
> that spelling.
>
Ah, the software made you do it.
I see, I see...
-- cary
Tony Cooper
Doesn't something of importance have to be written before it is
disputed?
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando FL
re...@ij.net
learned something that you didn't know from all of my posts here. It
is a compliment to me. Thanks.
Born out of sinister intentions, the VW Beetle was propaganda for
German socialists in helping create unity in pre-war Germany. Hitler
imposed socialism in the car market and pushed the project.
In 1930 Ferdinand Porsche set up an automotive design company, the
Porsche Büro. In 1933, Adolf Hitler met with Porsche to discuss the
socialist leader's idea of a volkswagen.
Literally, the word "volkswagen" means "people's car" (cf. "folk's
wagon"). When the early VW versions were introduced, Hitler abruptly
changed the name of the car to KdF Wagen. KdF stood for "Kraft durch
Freude" which meant "Strength through Joy." This upset Porsche, as he
was not a member of Hitler's Nazi-Sozi party, and he didn't support
Hitler's use of socialist propaganda to advertise the car.
Near the end of World War II many men, both young and old, were called
upon to serve in the "People's Army " (Volksturm).
Sometime after 1945, the car company was re-named Volkswagen by the
British, who also renamed the town at the factory "Wolfsburg", which
was the name of a local castle.
Volkswagen's iconic buttressing of V and W was the creation of an
engineer named Franz Reimspiess. He was also the same man who perfected
the engine for the Beetle in the 1930s.
Nikolai Borg, 86, who now lives in Austria, says he was involved in the
development of the VW logo. The young commercial artist impressed
others when he won the competition for the creation of a logo for the
"Deutsche Jugendherbergswerk" (German youth mountain hostel work?).
Borg says that he was invited to draw the car logo in a request from
high-up: Dr. Ing. Fritz Todt, with the "organization Todt" the general
inspector for roads and a militarily organized building troop which was
used in the entire theater of war. Borg made nine drafts with
different connections of the letters V and W before the final version
was created.
Before WW II, when the car was still socialism's "Strength through
Joy" car the logo was surrounded by the gear shaped emblem of the
German Labor Front, a socialist group that built it. The National
Socialist German Workers' Party had begun as the "German Workers'
Party" before adding "National Socialist" to its name.
To control trade unions and the economic workforce, the National
Socialist German Workers' Party (the National Socialistiche Deutsche
Arbeiter Partei - NSDAP) created the German Labor Front (Deutsches
Arbeitsfront - DAF) in 1933. The purpose of the German Labor Front was
to controlensure the political stability of the German labor unions
through a centrally controlled organization led by National Socialists.
The German Labor Front adopted a paramilitary structure similar to
that of the National Socialist German Workers Party. While membership
was called "voluntary," essentially every German worker was required to
be a member. This was particularly true of those workers associated
with prime industries such as cars, transportation, utilities, textile
trades, armament manufacturing, legal services, agriculture and the
like (in other words, just about everything of course). The
organization was divided into two parts including the National
Socialist Factory Organization (Nationalsozialistische
Betriebsorganization-NSBO) and the National Socialist Trade and
Industry Organization (Nationalsozialistische Handels und
Gewerbeorganization-NSHAGO).
Members of the German Labor Front were required to own and wear
uniforms that denoted their status within the structure of the
organization. Following the outbreak of war, members were often
required to serve as factory guards or to volunteer for membership in
associations like the National Air Protection League
(Reichsluftschutzbund) and other Air Protection (Luftschutz) groups.
In this capacity, it was their job to help protect industrial
facilities as well as to coordinate with outside organizations that
helped to ensure the safe operation of factory facilities. Many
members of the German Labor Front also served as official members of
the Factory Police (Werksschutzpolizei-WSP). By 1942, the German Labor
Front also organized independent and locally trained members who
volunteered to operate anti-aircraft flak batteries to protect
individual factories from Allied bombs.
Topaz
England's Guilt
by Joseph Goebbels
It is a major error to assume that England's plutocrats slipped into
the war against their will or even against their intentions. The
opposite is true. The English warmongers wanted the war and used all
the resources at their disposal over the years to bring it about. They
surely were not surprised by the war. English plutocracy had no goal
other than to unleash war against Germany at the right moment, and
this since Germany first began to seek once again to be a world power.
Poland really had little to do with the outbreak of war between the
Reich and England. It was only a means to an end. England did not
support the Polish government out of principle or for humanitarian
reasons. That is clear from the fact that England gave Poland no help
of any kind whatsoever when the war began. Nor did England take any
measures against Russia. The opposite, in fact. The London warring
clique to this day has tried to bring Russia into the campaign of
aggression against Germany.
The encirclement of Germany long before the outbreak of the war was
traditional English policy. From the beginning, England has always
directed its main military might against Germany. It never could
tolerate a strong Reich on the Continent. It justified its policy by
claiming that it wanted to maintain a balance of forces in Europe.
Today there is still another reason. The English warmongers conceal
it. It is crassly egotistic. The English prime minister announced the
day the war began that England's goal was to destroy Hitlerism.
However, he defined Hitlerism in a way other than how the English
plutocracy actually sees it. The English warmongers claim that
National Socialism wants to conquer the world. No nation is secure
against German aggression. An end must be made of the German hunger
for power. The limit came in the conflict with Poland. In reality,
however, there is another reason for England's war with Germany. The
English warmongers cannot seriously claim that Germany wants to
conquer the world, particularly in view of the fact that England
controls nearly two thirds of the world. And Germany since 1933 has
never threatened English interests.
So when Chamberlain says that England wants to destroy Hitlerism in
this war, he is in one sense incorrect. But in another sense, he is
speaking the truth. England does want to destroy Hitlerism. It sees
Hitlerism as the present internal state of the Reich, which is a thorn
in the eye of English plutocracy.
England is a capitalist democracy. Germany is a socialist people's
state. And it is not the case that we think England is the richest
land on earth. There are lords and City men in England who are in fact
the richest men on earth. The broad masses, however, see little of
this wealth. We see in England an army of millions of impoverished,
socially enslaved and oppressed people. Child labor is still a matter
of course there. They have only heard about social welfare programs.
Parliament occasionally discusses social legislation. Nowhere else is
there such terrible and horrifying inequality as in the English slums.
Those with good breeding take no notice of it. Should anyone speak of
it in public, the press, which serves plutocratic democracy, quickly
brands him the worst kind of rascal. They do not hesitate from making
major changes in the Constitution if they are necessary to preserve
capitalist democracy.
Capitalism democracy suffers from every possible modern social
ailment. The Lords and City people can remain the richest people one
earth only because they constantly maintain their wealth by exploiting
their colonies and preserving unbelievable poverty in their own
country.
Germany, on the other hand, has based its domestic policies on new and
modern social principles. That is why it is a danger to English
plutocracy. It is also why English capitalists want to destroy
Hitlerism. They see Hitlerism as all the generous social reforms that
have occurred in Germany since 1933. The English plutocrats rightly
fear that good things are contagious, that they could endanger English
capitalism.
That is why England declared war on Germany. Since it was accustomed
to letting others fight its wars, it looked to the European continent
to find those ready to fight for England's interests. France was ready
to take on this degrading duty, since the same kind of people ruled
France. They too were ready for war out of egotistic reasons. Western
European democracy is really only a Western European plutocracy that
rules the world. It declared war on German socialism because it
endangered their capitalist interests.
A similar drama began in 1914. England had more luck during those four
and a half years than it is having today. Europe's nations had no
chance to see what was happening. The nations of Europe today have no
desire to play the same role they played during the World War. England
and France stand alone. Still, England is trying once again to wage
war without making any personal sacrifice. The goal is to blockade
Germany, to gradually bring it to submit by starvation. That is
longstanding English policy. They used it successfully in the
Napoleonic wars, and also during the World War. It would work now as
well, if the German people had not been educated by National
Socialism. National Socialism is immune to English temptations.
English propaganda lies no longer work in Germany. They have gradually
lost their effectiveness in the rest of the world as well, since
German propaganda today reaches far beyond its borders. This time,
English plutocracy will not succeed in driving a wedge between the
German people and their leadership, though that is their goal.
The German nation today is defending not only its honor and
independence, but also the great social accomplishments it has made
through hard and untiring work since 1933. It is a people's state
built on the foundation of justice and economic good sense. In the
past, England always had the advantage of facing a fragmented Germany.
It is only natural that English plutocracy today seeks to split the
German people and make it ripe for new collapse.
English lying propaganda can no longer name things by their proper
names. It therefore claims that it is not fighting the German people,
only Hitlerism. But we know this old song. In South Africa, England
was not fighting the Boers, only Krugerism. In the World War, England
wanted to destroy Kaiserism, not the German people. But that did not
stop English plutocracy from brutally and relentlessly suppressing the
Boers after that war or the Germans after our defeat.
A child once burned is twice shy. The German people were once victims
of lying English war propaganda. Now it understands the situation. It
has long understood the background of this war. It knows that behind
all English plutocratic capitalism's fine words, its aim is to destroy
Germany's social achievements. We are defending the socialism we have
build in Germany since 1933 with every military, economic and
spiritual means at our disposal. The bald English lies have no impact
on the German people.
English plutocracy is finally being forced to defend itself. In the
past, it always found other nations to fight for it. This time, the
English people must themselves risk their necks for the lords and City
men. They will meet a unified German people of workers, farmers and
soldiers who are prepared to defend their nation with every means at
their disposal.
We did not want war. England inflicted it on us. English plutocracy
forced it on us. England is responsible for the war, and it will have
to pay for it.
The whole world is waking up today. It can no longer be ruled by the
capitalist methods of the 19th Century. The peoples have matured. They
will one day deal a terrible blow to the capitalist plutocrats who are
the cause of their misery.
It is no accident that National Socialism has the historical task of
carrying out this reckoning. Plutocracy is collapsing intellectually,
spiritually, and in the not too distant future, militarily. We are
acting consistently with Nietzsche's words: "Give a shove to what is
falling."
BlackWater
>Yes and it is below. And thanks for letting everyone know that you
>learned something that you didn't know from all of my posts here. It
>is a compliment to me. Thanks.
>
>The Volkswagen logo exposes the swastika as intertwined "S" shapes
>symbolizing "Socialism" for the monstrous National Socialist German
>Workers' Party. http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a2a.html Graphic
>examples are at http://rexcurry.net/swastika-vw-logo.JPG The German
>word for "swastika" is "Hakenkreuz" ("hooked cross" or "armed cross").
So what's next - "Hitler Codes" in 'Mein Kamph' ? Just take
the third letter of every fifth word and divide by the
length of the Furhers moustache and mystic aryan secrets
will be yours for the taking ........ :-)
re...@ij.net
not dispute a word of the topic, just added his own asinine comment
just like Topaz. Thanks to Blackwaters for letting everyone know that
you learned something that you didn't know from all of my posts here.
It is a compliment to me.
Here is something else I can educate you and your twit cohorts about -
The Organisation Todt logo exposes the swastika as intertwined "S"
shapes symbolizing "Socialism" for the monstrous National Socialist
German Workers' Party. Graphic examples are at
http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a2b.html The German word for
"swastika" is "Hakenkreuz" ("hooked cross" or "armed cross").
Germany in the 1930's often used symbols for letters and words. Common
symbols under the National Socialist German Workers' Party often used
the "S" shape, including the side-by-side use in the "SS" Divison and
the overlapping use in the Hakenkreuz - swastika.
Hitler was aware of the practice, and perhaps the source of the
practice, in that he evolved "Adolf Hitler" into "S Hitler" in his own
signature. http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a4.html It was a manner
of declaring his socialism every time he signed his name and it was
equivalent to signing "Socialist Hitler."
It is more evidence that supports the discovery by the historian Rex
Curry (in the book "Swastika Secrets") that the Hakenkreuz, although an
ancient symbol, was used also to represent "S" shapes for "Socialism"
and its victory under the horrid National Socialists. For additional
proof of the use of the "S" shapes of the "sieg" runes see a newly
discovered youth's book, see Hitler's signature, and see posters,
flags, banners, and medals linked at
http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.html
The Organization Todt logo used the same intertwined alphabetic
symbolism with the letters "T" and "O."
The Todt Organization was also involved in similar alphabetic symbolism
for the Volkswagen VW logo, which intertwined the letters "V" and "W."
The VW logo also exposes the swastika as intertwined "S" shapes
symbolizing "Socialism" for the monstrous National Socialist German
Workers' Party. http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a2a.html
Organization Todt performed large-scale construction work under the
National Socialist German Workers' Party. It built roads and was a
militarily organized building troop used in the entire theater of war.
It was named after its founder, the engineer Dr. Fritz Todt
(1891-1942).
Dr. Ing. Fritz Todt invited Nikolai Borg to assist in drawing the VW
car logo. Borg, 86, who now lives in Austria, says he made nine drafts
with different connections of the letters V and W before the final
version was created. The young commercial artist was invited after he
had impressed others when he won the competition for the creation of a
logo for the "Deutsche Jugendherbergswerk" (German youth mountain
hostel work?). Volkswagen's iconic buttressing of V and W is
attributed mainly to the engineer Franz Reimspiess, the same man who
perfected the engine for the Beetle in the 1930s.
Born out of sinister intentions, the VW Beetle was propaganda for
German socialists. Literally, the word "volkswagen" means "people's
car" (cf. "folk's wagon"). When the early VW versions were introduced,
Hitler abruptly changed the name of the car to KdF Wagen. KdF stood for
"Kraft durch Freude" which meant "Strength through Joy." This upset
Ferdinand Porsche of the automotive design company, as he was not a
member of Hitler's Nazi-Sozi party, and he didn't support Hitler's use
of socialist propaganda to advertise the car.
Before WW II, when the car was still socialism's "Strength through
Joy" car the logo was surrounded by the gear shaped emblem of the
German Labor Front, a socialist group that built it. The National
Socialist German Workers' Party had begun as the "German Workers'
Party" before adding "National Socialist" to its name.
Organisation Todt
Organization Todt
Todt Organization
Todt Organisation
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BlackWater
>Blackwater chimed in to help out Topaz. And like Topaz, Blackwater did
>not dispute a word of the topic, just added his own asinine comment
>just like Topaz. Thanks to Blackwaters for letting everyone know that
>you learned something that you didn't know from all of my posts here.
>It is a compliment to me.
I learned that you've got some weird obsession with
swastikas and Volkswagons. You know, I don't *care*
if it's some mutated 'socialism' label or whether
Hitler liked 'S' shapes. Long, long ago - far, far
away. Let it go.
>Copyright =A9 2005 by RexCurry.net All rights reserved
>
re...@ij.net
obvious, even when you know it is true, such as the "VW" lettering on
Volkswagons etc. You know, I don't *care* if you are too ignorant to
know that is was created under the National Socialist German Workers'
Party to promote socialism. They are Long, long out of your price
range - far, far away as they speed past your scooter every day. You
can't keep up, so let it go. But at least now you will have a new
layer of understanding each time one passes you and you see the VW
symbolism.
Gray Shockley
The secret codes are obvious to anyone who has studied the
great secrets of the philosophers and womanizers of the
21st century because they are so overtly painted in the
official portrait of King George43, the Third-Rate.
Gray Shockley
---------------------------------------
President George W C Bush's business professor at
Harvard Business School, Professor Yoshi Tsurumi, recalls
our President as "not just as a terrible student but as
spoiled, loutish and a pathological liar".
BlackWater
SCREW the 'symbolism'. The people who picked the logo are
long since in historys dustbin. Nowdays 'VW' doesn't
symbolize the 'triumph of national socialism' ... just
a auto manufacturer.
And my scooter will whip ANY Volkswagon ...
Gray Shockley
> re...@ij.net wrote:
>> Nikolai Borg, 86, who now lives in Austria, says he was involved in the
>> development of the VW logo. The young commercial artist impressed
>> others when he won the competition for the creation of a logo for the
>> "Deutsche Jugendherbergswerk" (German youth mountain hostel work?).
>> Borg says that he was invited to draw the car logo in a request from
>> high-up: Dr. Ing. Fritz Todt, with the "organization Todt" the general
>> inspector for roads and a militarily organized building troop which was
>> used in the entire theater of war. Borg made nine drafts with
>> different connections of the letters V and W before the final version
>> was created.
>
> Does he support your claim that he designed the logo for purposes of
> socialist symbolism?
>
> lojbab
>
VW = Volkswagen = People's Car
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<http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20050308.html>
Dear Yahoo!:
Did Hitler really invent the Volkswagen?
David
San Francisco, California
Dear David:
Well, not exactly invent, but Adolf Hitler was indeed the
driving force behind the car. In the 1930s, cars cost more
than most people earned in a year. When Hitler became the
chancellor of Germany in 1933, he promoted the idea of a
car affordable enough for the average working person. The
Volkswagen, which means "people's car" in German, was
essentially a political promise to win the public's
goodwill.
Hitler met with automotive designer Ferdinand Porsche in
1933 and charged Porsche with creating the new car. The
chancellor required that the Volkswagen carry two adults
and three children, go up to 60 miles per hour, get at
least 33 miles per gallon, and cost only 1,000 reichsmarks.
Hitler may also have named the car the Beetle.
In 1938, Hitler had the KdF Wagen factory built to produce
the cars designed by Porsche. But by the time the factory
was complete, Hitler had invaded Czechoslovakia and Poland.
The factory was dedicated to building military vehicles,
and the people's car fell by the wayside during World War
II.
After the war, the factory ended up in the British section
of occupied Germany. The British military re-opened the
factory, named it Volkswagen, and finally gave control of
the company to the German government.
After 1948, Volkswagen introduced new models across Europe.
By 1955, over 1 million cars had been built. The VW beetle
started selling in the U.S., and in 1972 the people's car
overtook the Ford Model T to become the most popular car
ever made.
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Bob LeChevalier
>On Mon, 30 May 2005 14:14:29 -0500, Bob LeChevalier wrote
>> re...@ij.net wrote:
>>> Nikolai Borg, 86, who now lives in Austria, says he was involved in the
>>> development of the VW logo. The young commercial artist impressed
>>> others when he won the competition for the creation of a logo for the
>>> "Deutsche Jugendherbergswerk" (German youth mountain hostel work?).
>>> Borg says that he was invited to draw the car logo in a request from
>>> high-up: Dr. Ing. Fritz Todt, with the "organization Todt" the general
>>> inspector for roads and a militarily organized building troop which was
>>> used in the entire theater of war. Borg made nine drafts with
>>> different connections of the letters V and W before the final version
>>> was created.
>>
>> Does he support your claim that he designed the logo for purposes of
>> socialist symbolism?
>
That doesn't support the claim. Indeed it is a case of something lost
in the translation, or at least the failure the recognize that the
possessive "People's" has use other than as an echo of socialist
dialectic.
The German word "Volk" *can* be translated as "people", but it usually
should not. It usually specifically refers to a particular people,
the ancestral Germans who called themselves the Volk. It was a
collective name for all the tribes of the Germans. In any Nazi
ideological context, it thus means "Germanic Aryan" more than
"people".
In another context, that of Germanic philosophy, it referred to a
people (not necessarily Germanic) as a cultural unity. In this usage,
it is more closely translated as "ethnic group", but that is a
colorless translation, since the concept of "Volk" elicited the
primeval distinctive qualities that unified the group.
There is certainly no particular evidence that "VolksWagon" was an
attempt to elicit the political-economic socialism form of "people" as
opposed to these much more culturally-specific and Nazi-relevant
versions of "Volk".
Thus, until/unless Rexy the Wonder Dog produces evidence that Hitler
or Borg MEANT some socialistic sense of "people's" when they use the
word Volk in the name of the car, or the V in the symbol for the car
(what other letter would they use if that was the name Hitler
assigned?), I'll consider his long-winded repetitive site promotional
posting to merely be an echo of Topaz's Nazi posts from the other side
of the ideological fence.
Skitt
I attended Volksschule in Tabarz. There was nothing tribal about it. It
was just an elementary school -- that's all the word means.
--
Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/
Bob LeChevalier
I was pointing out that the word had multiple meanings, and that the
simplistic translation as "People's", especially in order to evoke
socialist diatectical connotations of that word is erroneous.
Clearly in your example "Volksschule" does not mean "People's school"
in the socialist dialectal sense, and in fact probably doesn't mean it
in any sense - unless you can explain why a high school/Gymnasium is
not a "Volksschule", and why a privately run elementary school is:
http://www.vienna-elementary-school.at/
<Was ist die VES?
<Die VES ist eine private Volksschule für Vorschule und die Klassen
< 1–4, die modernste Unterrichtsmethoden einsetzt. Dabei wird die
< Nachfrage nach einer mehrsprachigen Unterrichtsform fuer
< Volksschulkinder durch eine neue, bemerkenswerte Schulform ergaenzt.
So the translation of "Volks" there is "elementary". Is a Volkswagon
an "elementary wagon"?
Skitt
> "Skitt" wrote:
>> I attended Volksschule in Tabarz. There was nothing tribal about
>> it. It was just an elementary school -- that's all the word means.
>
> I was pointing out that the word had multiple meanings, and that the
> simplistic translation as "People's", especially in order to evoke
> socialist diatectical connotations of that word is erroneous.
I was supporting your assertion.
> Clearly in your example "Volksschule" does not mean "People's school"
> in the socialist dialectal sense, and in fact probably doesn't mean it
> in any sense - unless you can explain why a high school/Gymnasium is
> not a "Volksschule",
Oh, that one is easy. In those days (I'm talking 1944), most people (the
general folk) did not get to attend anything higher than Volksschule. Good
grades were harder to come by, and those who did not get them entered the
workforce instead of getting a chance to struggle higher in their education.
> and why a privately run elementary school is:
>
> http://www.vienna-elementary-school.at/
> <Was ist die VES?
> <Die VES ist eine private Volksschule für Vorschule und die Klassen
> < 1-4, die modernste Unterrichtsmethoden einsetzt. Dabei wird die
> < Nachfrage nach einer mehrsprachigen Unterrichtsform fuer
> < Volksschulkinder durch eine neue, bemerkenswerte Schulform ergaenzt.
>
> So the translation of "Volks" there is "elementary". Is a Volkswagon
> an "elementary wagon"?
That's "Volkswagen". Pretty much so. That is what the original was
designed to be. Simple, cheap, and effective. Take the engine out, rebuild
it, and put it back together in one day. I could adjust the valves in five
minutes before starting it up in the morning. As for a direct translation
of the name to "elementary", that really does not apply. Connotations are
applied by spin doctors. "People's" is not a dirty adjective, but it can be
implied to be one.
I didn't really want to be in this thread, so -- I'm outta here.
jmh...@apex.home.loc
And then they can explain why, while attenting German classes
in a Volkshochschule the curicula was explicitly for die Auslander.
jmh
Cary Kittrell
Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> writes
And you are right, of course. "das Volk" has much the same
connotation as "la Raza".
-- cary
re...@ij.net
providing added support. Until and unless Boob the blunder log
produces evidence that Hitler or Borg were something other than members
of National Socialist German Workers' Party and utilizing the
government to create the volkswagen and MEANT something other than
alphabetic symbolism when they use the logo in the name of the car, or
the V&W (for Volkswagen) combined in the symbol for the car (what other
letter would they use if that was the name Hitler assigned?), I'll
echo of Topaz's National Socialist German Workers Party posts from the
other side of the ideological fence that Bob is always covering up for.
And thanks for letting me know that I helped educate you again.
Cary Kittrell
Boiling all this down: Bob wins.
Yes, again.
-- cary
re...@ij.net
again.
Thanks to all (& especially Boob & Cary) for conceding my original post
and providing added support. Until and unless Boob the blunder log
produces evidence that Hitler or Borg were something other than members
of National Socialist German Workers' Party and utilizing the
government to create the volkswagen and MEANT something other than
alphabetic symbolism when they use the logo in the name of the car, or
the V&W (for Volkswagen) combined in the symbol for the car (what other
letter would they use if that was the name Hitler assigned?), just as
they concede was the style with the swastika-Hakenkreuz, then I'll
consider their long-winded repetitive evasive posting to merely be an
echo of Topaz's National Socialist German Workers Party posts from the
other side of the ideological fence that Boob is always covering up
for. And thanks to Cary and Boob for letting me know that I helped
educate you again.
Cary Kittrell
And we thank you in turn for this honest and moving concession.
Usenet could use more like you: posters who freely confess,
graciously and without rancor, when their arguments have been
dismantled. For that reason alone please: do not think that
our having pointed out the various fallacies in this
particular thesis of yours implies that you shouldn't report
back to us with other "breakthroughs" as may occur to you.
The general standard of intellectual integrity on Usenet
is depressingly low; it would be a shame to lose so game
a poster as you over a small setback like this.
-- cary
Bob LeChevalier
He who has to declare victory for himself has lost.
Gray Shockley
> re...@ij.net wrote:
>> Summing this all up: Rex prevails over Boob and cary. Yes, indeed,
>> again.
>
> He who has to declare victory for himself has lost.
>
> lojbab
>
Yeah, well, there's "revisionism" and then there is, on the
other claw, "revisionism".
++ gray
re...@ij.net
Will (1935) and Olympia (1938). The impact of the 1935 film gave many
people the misimpression that the gesture originated with the National
Socialists in Germany. Later, in 1937's Scipione l'Africano,
director Carmine Gallone used the salute as visual tool to turn
Mussolini into a new Scipio. Later still, the "Roman" salute myth was
enlarged in Quo Vadis (1951 Mervyn LeRoy) whose triumph sequence is
modeled on Triumph of the Will, replete with the socialist salute.
re...@ij.net
German Workers' Party show that the Hakenkreuz-swastika was used to
symbolize intertwined "S" shapes for the Party.
http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a4.html Examples are at
http://rexcurry.net/swastika-socialism4.gif and they show that the
leader of the monstrous Party was aware of the practice, and perhaps
the source of the practice. Adolph Hitler's signatures and other
evidence show that common symbols under the National Socialist German
Workers' Party often used the "S" shape, including the side-by-side use
autographs support the discovery by the historian Rex Curry that the
swastika, although an ancient symbol, was used also to represent "S"
shapes for "Socialism" and its victory under the horrid National
Socialist German Workers' Party. For additional proof see a newly
discovered youth's book at http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a3.html
posters http://rexcurry.net/socialism-posters/posters2.html and posters
at http://rexcurry.net/socialist-propaganda/posters1.html and German
medals at http://rexcurry.net/socialism/germany.html and flags and
banners at http://rexcurry.net/swastikaflags.html and for a fuller
explanation see http://rexcurry.net/swastikanews.html
Copyright © 2005 by RexCurry.net Trademark 2005 by RexCurry.net All
rights reserved
(Oppose socialism and support libertarianism. To learn more see Rex
Curry at http://rexcurry.net or contact re...@ij.net or
rexa...@hotmail.com or ecu...@interaccess.net ).
Skitt
Yes, yes! And the Nazi movement was also embraced by Chevrolet, what with
all those SS models and everything. Even I owned a couple of those. Scary!
Mike Lyle
Shit, man! You don't know how bad it _was_! Even Jaguar produced SS
models: those suckers were poised right there, and then this
Churchill character popped up out of the political wilderness and
blew it for them. Just one more year, and the Chevvy-Jag Axis would
have taken over. Biggest miscalculation in automotive history: they
didn't realise how many shares Churchill's mother had in Ford.
--
Mike.
re...@ij.net
comments in which you excuse them as equivalent to a car company. Are
you also a Holocaust denier? Well, thanks for not actually disputing a
word in the original post, as you know you cannot. Did the car company
do the following -
The disgusting film "Triumph of the Will" ranks down with the book
"Mein Kampf" by Adolph Hitler and with "The Communist Manifesto" by
Karl Marx and the little "Red book" by Mao (each also available). Many
people try to single out Hitler as unique, but it is unfortunate that
he was matched or surpassed in monstrosity as a member of the socialist
trio of atrocities (Hitler, Mao, Stalin) that led to the socialist
Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a part): 62 million killed by
the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, 35 million by the Peoples'
Republic of China, 21 million by the National Socialist German Workers'
Party. http://rexcurry.net/socialists.html
The National Socialist German Workers' Party and the Union of Soviet
Socialist Republics started as allies in 1939 to invade Poland in a
pact to divide up Europe. Before, during and after the National
Socialist German Workers' Party, the Union of Soviet Socialist
Republics killed even more people. The Peoples' Republic of China
then followed. Stalin, Mao and Hitler qualify as a true tragedy. The
slaughter was so large that Holocaust Museums would quadruple in size
and scope as Wholecaust Museums.
http://rexcurry.net/wholecaust-museum.html Fight the Holocaust
deniers and the Wholecaust deniers.
The 1934 film was propaganda for the National Socialist German Workers'
Party. In both the film and in the book "Mein Kampf," the word
"socialist" is used constantly throughout to promote the dogma. The
words "fascist" and "Nazi" are never used -not a single time- in
reference to the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
The socialist cliches are so thick they are comic, and it is impossible
to forget (once it is heard) the phrase "Present Shovels!" barked to
the industrial army of adoring "worker-soldiers" each carrying his G.I.
shovel as though it was a gun. The only thing missing at that point of
hilarity is a choreographed dance routine with the ditch-diggers. (Who
could resist mentioning here that Hitler had a family name of
schickelgruber?). The glorious comrades needed their "weapons" to
shovel all the socialist manure piling up in "Triumph." It is
unfortunate that the shovel army was later used to bury the victims of
the incredibly deadly dogma.
"Triumph" contains references to God, and Hitler informs the assembled
masses that he is on a God-given mission and that "the Party will be
like a religious order."
The similarities are terrifying when compared to dogma preached by
Francis Bellamy and Edward Bellamy in the USA from 1888. Francis
Bellamy was a preacher, and both Bellamys were part of the "Society of
Christian Socialists." The Bellamys were self-proclaimed national
socialists who supported the "Nationalist" magazine and the
"Nationalist Educational Association" in the USA three decades before
the Nazis began. The Bellamys idolized the military and openly
advocated "military socialism" to create an "industrial army" to
nationalize the entire economy, including all schools. Francis Bellamy
created the straight-arm salute as part of the original pledge of
allegiance to the USA's flag as discovered by the historian Rex Curry.
http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html It did not come from ancient
Rome. Photos can be viewed via a web search for "original socialist
salute" and at http://rexcurry.net/pledge2.html Francis Bellamy wanted
flags in government schools to promote nationalization and socialism.
It was a philosophy that led to the socialist Wholecaust (of which the
Holocaust was a part) where millions were murdered. That is why the
Bellamys are known as America's Nazis.
"Triumph" shows repetitive use of the infamous straight-arm salute of
the National Socialists. Some scenes appear to show the straight-arm
gesture delivered with a military-style salute to the heart before
extending outward, or after retracting. That also has a prior history
in variations on the pledge of allegiance in the USA.
The film includes soundbites of Bellamyisms from speeches given by
various cohorts. The film tries to show how the German people pledged
their loyalty to the Nazi-Sozis. In keeping with their socialist
dogma, Hitler is praised as an "epitome of altruism" and the speakers
refer to each other as "comrades" who will cause a "revolution of the
people and workers" to end "class struggle" and create
"egalitarianism."
Many people forget that "Nazi" means "National Socialist German
Workers' Party" because the shorthand is overused by media mouthpieces
who never say the actual name of the Party. A good mnemonic device is
that the swastika was used as intermeshed "S" letters for "socialism"
under the National Socialist German Workers' Party, a news-breaking
discovery by the historian Rex Curry.
http://rexcurry.net/swastikanews.html
The film shows repetitive use of the word "victory" which in German is
"sieg" and related to the "S"-shaped "sieg" rune used in their symbols
in the film, including the Hakenkreuz. The book "Mein Kampf" might
contain Hitler's only written comments about the "swastika." It is a
brief section and can be interpreted as Hitler stating that the
Hakenkreuz was used as alphabetic symbolism of overlapping "sig" or
"sieg" runes representing "S" letters for "socialism" or the
"socialist victory."
Although the swastika was an ancient symbol for "good luck" in India,
that is not why it was used by the National Socialist German Workers'
Party. The swastika as a symbol for "socialism" is also shown elsewhere
in many of their posters, flags, banners, books, medals and other
paraphernalia.
Here is another interesting fact: the word "swastika" does not appear
in the film nor in the book (in the German version). Only the term
"Hakenkreuz" (hooked cross) is used. "Swastika" was a bad English
translation of "Hakenkreuz."
The film also shows other symbols that most people have never seen and
never will.
Some educated socialists (socialists who know the origin of the pledge)
laugh at so-called conservatives who support robotic pledging in
government schools, because socialists know that most "conservatives"
in the USA have been duped into supporting socialism and are ignorant
of the pledge's socialist origin. Conservatives don't arise each
morning to gather with neighbors and robotically chant, as they only
"love" the pledge when government's schools lead children in robotic
chanting every morning for twelve years of their lives upon the ring of
a bell, like Pavlov's lapdogs of the state.
The Bellamys advocated a government takeover of education. After the
government took over education, segregation was imposed by law and
became institutionalized by government in its schools and racism was
taught as official policy. During that time children in
government-schools were required by law to salute the flag with the
straight-armed salute in military formation daily on the ring of a
government bell, like Pavlov's lapdogs of the state. It is an
ominous parallel that is covered-up in government schools in the U.S.
and neither the schools nor the media will ever show a historic
photograph of the original pledge of allegiance.
The bizarre practices served as an example for three decades before
they were adopted by the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
As under Nazism, Jehovah's Witnesses and others in the USA were
persecuted for refusing to perform the straight-arm salute and
robotically chant the pledge. They were also expelled from government
schools and had to use the many better alternatives. Two years after
"Triumph," Jesse Owens competed in the 1936 Olympics in Germany, while
his neighbors attended segregated government schools where they saluted
the flag with the Nazi salute.
The shovel brigade in "Triumph" is a reminder of how the National
Socialists built highways as make-work programs and government
boondoggles. It is an ominous parallel that the USA followed the
example.
During that period the federal government in the USA was growing
massively and attempting to nationalize the economy in many ways. The
US Supreme Court struck down much of the copycat legislation as
unconstitutional until justices were pressured by the "switch in time
that socialized nine" under the USA's worst president, the socialist
FDR.
In 1935, the USA's government stepped onto the same path with the
social security scam and its Nazi numbering at the height of Nazi power
in Germany.
Today, some proposed social security reforms would invest social
security taxes in private businesses and provide an avenue for the
government to nationalize all private businesses in addition to
schools. It is a scheme that would impress the Bellamys. It is an
avenue for Bush to nationalize the entire U.S. economy. Conservatives
support the Nazi-like scam because they don't have the ethics nor
intellectual honesty to do the right thing: end government involvement
in education, and end the social security scam, its taxes and its Nazi
numbering.
After WWII ended, the government's schools in the USA continued
segregation and racism, stopping in the 1960's. The USA also continued
its Nazi numbering and its robotic pledge, with no stopping.
Thereafter, the Bellamy legacy caused more police-state racism of
forced busing that destroyed communities and neighborhoods and deepened
hostilities.
Today, the USA numbers babies, and government schools demand the
numbers for enrollment, and the numbers track homes, workplaces,
incomes, finances, and more, for life. School laws still tout the
daily pledge, a bizarre ritual shunned by every other country.
The film's cinematragraphy shows how socialism is pure Hollywood.
Socialism is conceited politician-actors delivering prepared lines and
pretending to create food, clothing, and shelter on film. In the
reality off camera, their socialism destroys food, clothing and shelter
and kills millions.
Overall, the film and the book that preceded it are both terrifying.
re...@ij.net
comments in which you excuse them as equivalent to car companies. Are
you also a Holocaust denier? Well, thanks for not actually disputing a
word in the original post, as you know you cannot. Did the car
Topaz
NUREMBERG
SPEECH OF SEPTEMBER 6, 1938
..National Socialism is not a cult-movement - a movement for worship;
it is exclusively a 'volkic' political doctrine based upon racial
principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and
leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship.
Therefore we have no rooms for worship, but only halls for the people
- no open spaces for worship, but spaces for assemblies and parades.
We have no religious retreats, but arenas for sports and
playing-fields, and the characteristic feature of our places of
assembly is not the mystical gloom of a cathedral, but the brightness
and light of a room or hall which combines beauty with fitness for its
purpose. In these halls no acts of worship are celebrated, they are
exclusively devoted to gatherings of the people of the kind which we
have come to know in the course of our long struggle; to such
gatherings we have become accustomed and we wish to maintain them. We
will not allow mystically-minded occult folk with a passion for
exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement.
Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else - in any
case, something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our
program there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and
straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central
point of this perception and of this profession of belief the
maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by
God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a
divine will - not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship,
but openly before the face of the Lord.
There were times when a half-light was the necessary condition for the
effectiveness of certain teachings: we live in an age when light is
for us the fundamental condition of successful action. It will be a
sorry day when through the stealing in of obscure mystic elements the
Movement or the State itself issues obscure commissions.... It is even
dangerous to issue any commission for a so-called place of worship,
for with the building will arise the necessity for thinking out
so-called religious recreations or religious rites, which have nothing
to do with National Socialism. Our worship is exclusively the
cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural,
therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission
before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us
men: it is to these we pay our respect. Our commandment is the
courageous fulfillment of the duties arising from those laws. But for
religious rites we are not the authorities, but the churches! If
anyone should believe that these tasks of ours are not enough for him,
that they do not correspond with his convictions, then it is for him
to prove that God desires to use him to change things for the better.
In no event can National Socialism or the National Socialist State
give to German art other tasks than those which accord with our view
of the world.
The only sphere in which the Jewish international newspapers still
today think that they can attack the new Reich is the cultural sphere.
Here they attempt, by a constant appeal to the sentimentality -
untroubled by any sort of knowledge - of the world-citizens of
democracy to bewail the downfall of German culture: in other words,
they lament the commercial closing-down of those elements which, as
the heralds and exponents of the November Republic, forced their
cultural characteristics, as unnatural as they were deplorable, upon
the period between the two Empires; and which have now played out
their role for good and all....
Fortunately, however, despite the short time which the National
Socialist leadership has been able to allot to works of culture,
positive facts, here too, speak louder than any negative criticism. We
Germans can today speak with justice of a new awakening of our
cultural life, which finds its confirmation not in mutual compliments
and literary phrases, but rather in positive evidences of cultural
creative force. German architecture, sculpture, painting, drama, and
the rest bring today documentary proof of a creative period in art,
which for richness and impetuosity has rarely been matched in the
course of human history. And although the Jewish-democratic press
magnates in their effrontery even today seek brazenly to turn these
facts upside down, we know that the cultural achievements of Germany
will in a few years have won from the world respect and appreciation
far more unstinted even than that which they now accord to our work in
the material field. The buildings which are arising in the Reich today
will speak a language that endures, a language, above all, more
compelling than the Yiddish gabblings of the democratic, international
judges of our culture. What the fingers of these poor wretches have
penned or are penning the world will - perhaps unfortunately - forget,
as it has forgotten so much else. But the gigantic works of the Third
Reich are a token of its cultural renascence and shall one day belong
to the inalienable cultural heritage of the Western world, just as the
great cultural achievements of this world in the past belong to us
today...
www.spearhead-uk.com http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
Skitt
> Wow, you really do love Nazis and covering up for them with your
> absurd comments in which you excuse them as equivalent to a car
> company.
Naah, I just like yanking the chain of those who are overly obsessive about
some things. You're too easy, though.
You actually took my post seriously, huh? You are worse off than I thought.
It was sarcasm, dude!
Mike Lyle
> re...@ij.net wrote:
>
>> Wow, you really do love Nazis and covering up for them with your
>> absurd comments in which you excuse them as equivalent to a car
>> company.
>
> Naah, I just like yanking the chain of those who are overly
obsessive
> about some things. You're too easy, though.
>
> You actually took my post seriously, huh? You are worse off than I
> thought. It was sarcasm, dude!
Skitt, baby, look what your screen name begins with! You didn't use a
double-s word like "obsessive" by accident, come on! You think he
can't see how many times the letter s appears in "seriously" and
"sarcasm"?
Don't mention chains, for God's sake! You know those ones where the
links are sort of figure-eight shape? Well, can't you see they're
really bloody totalitarian Ss? Not just double, but over and over and
over again. The Bellamys did that! And FDR funded it through taxes!
See how many esses there are in the Tennessee Valley Authority! FDR's
minions didn't hand out all those cheap electric stoves without a
good reason. YAWANNAKNOWHY????!!!!!
--
Mike.
Skitt
>>> Wow, you really do love Nazis and covering up for them with your
>>> absurd comments in which you excuse them as equivalent to a car
>>> company.
>>
>> Naah, I just like yanking the chain of those who are overly obsessive
>> about some things. You're too easy, though.
>>
>> You actually took my post seriously, huh? You are worse off than I
>> thought. It was sarcasm, dude!
>
> Skitt, baby, look what your screen name begins with! You didn't use a
> double-s word like "obsessive" by accident, come on! You think he
> can't see how many times the letter s appears in "seriously" and
> "sarcasm"?
Hey, watch it! You are blowing my cover.
> Don't mention chains, for God's sake! You know those ones where the
> links are sort of figure-eight shape? Well, can't you see they're
> really bloody totalitarian Ss? Not just double, but over and over and
> over again. The Bellamys did that! And FDR funded it through taxes!
> See how many esses there are in the Tennessee Valley Authority! FDR's
> minions didn't hand out all those cheap electric stoves without a
> good reason. YAWANNAKNOWHY????!!!!!
Then there's that recent (1996) German spelling reform, relaxing the rules
on the eszet and promoting more "ss" into the language. If that isn't the
work of Neo-Nazis, I don't know what is. It's a conspiracy, I tells ya.
We're doomed. Not even Rexy can save us.
Above all, don't mention the war.
re...@ij.net
obsessive about some things. You're both too easy, though.
You actually took reacted to my response, huh? You are worse off than
I thought, dudes!
Oh look, a pal of you two just chimed in to help both of you.
Skitt
I see you ran out of things to say. I'm flattered that you took my words
and repeated them to me. Thanks.
Peter T. Daniels
>
> Skitt wrote:
Are you two proud of feeding the troll?
Usually its postings appear here and are ignored and it goes away.
--
Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
Tony Cooper
<gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Mike Lyle wrote:
>>
>> Skitt wrote:
>
>Are you two proud of feeding the troll?
>
>Usually its postings appear here and are ignored and it goes away.
Hasn't worked with you.
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando FL
Bob LeChevalier
>[his usual]
It is amazing how you love Nazis - as evidenced by the fact that you
talk about them incessantly, and invite people to your website so they
can see pictures of Nazis and read your "books" about them, and
dismiss their evil as being of the same nature as Bellamy's salute to
the flag.
>The socialist cliches are so thick they are comic,
Not as comic as your posts. And not as thick as your head.
>and it is impossible
>to forget (once it is heard) the phrase "Present Shovels!" barked to
>the industrial army of adoring "worker-soldiers" each carrying his G.I.
>shovel as though it was a gun.
Your posts are so monotonous, by contrast, that everyone quickly
forgets what you say. I assume that this is part of your plan - to
make Nazism seem INTERESTING as compared to the monotony of
libertarian propaganda.
>(Who
>could resist mentioning here that Hitler had a family name of
>schickelgruber?).
Certainly not Sexy Rexy, or is it Tyrant-saurus Rexy. Maybe you are
trying to Curry favor with the next dictator?
More likely you want to *be* the next dictator. After all, your posts
drone as much as the Nazi speeches that Topaz is always reposting.
> The glorious comrades needed their "weapons" to
>shovel all the socialist manure piling up in "Triumph." It is
>unfortunate that the shovel army was later used to bury the victims of
>the incredibly deadly dogma.
Most of us would rather that the incredibly deadly dogma stay buried,
and spend time remembering the victims, but you keep digging out the
dogma and trying to glamourize it (and your droning succeeds in doing
so, if only by comparison).
>"Triumph" contains references to God, and Hitler informs the assembled
>masses that he is on a God-given mission and that "the Party will be
>like a religious order."
I smell an attack on religion. How Marxist of you.
> the "Nationalist Educational Association"
The what?
>That is why the Bellamys are known as America's Nazis.
But only one person knows them in that way, and that is because his
brains are Curried.
>The film tries to show how the German people pledged
>their loyalty to the Nazi-Sozis.
Did it succeed? If not, it was a lousy film and deserves to be
forgotten. If it did, then it was a tool of evil and deserves to be
buried.
>In keeping with their socialist
>dogma, Hitler is praised as an "epitome of altruism"
The same sort of self-praise that the pseudo-historian Curried Rex
heaps upon himself, in order to try to get people to watch more Nazi
propaganda.
>Some educated socialists (socialists who know the origin of the pledge)
>laugh at so-called conservatives who support robotic pledging in
>government schools,
A lot more people ridicule libertarian propagandists who self-parody
with every post (people can just watch how you respond to this post,
to see the sort of self-parody you engage in).
>as they only
>"love" the pledge when government's schools lead children in robotic
>chanting every morning for twelve years of their lives upon the ring of
>a bell, like Pavlov's lapdogs of the state.
Whereas you love the pledge as a propaganda device to get people to
pay attention to your silly ideas. But luckily we don't have to put
up with your posting every morning for twelve years of our lives, as
if you were Pavlov's lapdog.
They make kill files for that.
>The Bellamys advocated a government takeover of education.
Since compulsory education was already in effect at that time, their
advocacy wasn't worth much.
>After the government took over education, segregation was imposed by law
No. Segregation was imposed first.
>and
>became institutionalized by government in its schools and racism was
>taught as official policy.
In some states it was. Of course then the Federal government that you
like to demonize stepped in and enforced the 14th amendment. Now the
primary bastions of racism are in the private sector.
>During that time children in
>government-schools were required by law to salute the flag with the
>straight-armed salute in military formation daily on the ring of a
>government bell, like Pavlov's lapdogs of the state.
[droning repetition in the manner of a Topaz posting of Nazi
propaganda]
>Conservatives
>support the Nazi-like scam because they don't have the ethics nor
>intellectual honesty
[belly laugh]
Who are YOU to talk about "intellectual honesty"?
>Overall, the film and the book that preceded it are both terrifying.
Not as terrifying as the thought that someone of your ilk could have
graduated from our law schools.
And not nearly as terrifying as the amount of bandwidth that you will
waste in "Your Struggle" to impress someone other than yourself.
R J Valentine
That reminds me, though, apropos of a remark that Evan Kirshenbaum made in
another thread recently about "raspberry" in cockney rhyming slang, of
radio silence in World War II (The Big One). The story I got (maybe it
was in _One Damned Island After Another_; maybe not) was that during a
mission (7th Air Force, as I heard it) where radio silence was in effect,
a raspberry was heard broadcast over a tactical frequency. A while later,
someone came on to ask, "Who dat?" Some time later, someone else
wondered, "Who dat sayin', 'Who dat?'? And so on (you get the idea).
Eventually the squadron commander came on and chewed them up one side and
down the other and threatened court martials (= BrE "courts martial) for
everyone when they got back, only to be greeted by the inevitable "Who
dat?"
But what I was wondering is whether Bob Cunningham ever worked that blinky
thing for ship-to-ship communication during radio silence out on the
ocean. My stepfather told me that one captain he sailed under while he
was going to the Merchant Marine Academy (some sort of work-study deal I
guess) always had the midshipmen run the blinky thing, because they were
good at it. Did they teach the blinky thing at radio school up near
Boston?
Of course I won't trouble Mr. Daniels and the rest with that question.
--
R. J. Valentine <mailto:r...@theWorld.com>
R J Valentine
...
} That reminds me, though, apropos of a remark that Evan Kirshenbaum made in
} another thread recently about "raspberry" in cockney rhyming slang, of
} radio silence in World War II (The Big One). The story I got (maybe it
} was in _One Damned Island After Another_; maybe not) was that during a
} mission (7th Air Force, as I heard it) where radio silence was in effect,
} a raspberry was heard broadcast over a tactical frequency. A while later,
} someone came on to ask, "Who dat?" Some time later, someone else
} wondered, "Who dat sayin', 'Who dat?'? And so on (you get the idea).
} Eventually the squadron commander came on and chewed them up one side and
} down the other and threatened court martials (= BrE "courts martial) for
} everyone when they got back, only to be greeted by the inevitable "Who
} dat?"
Now that I mention it, wasn't there a scene like that in one of the
thirties comedies like _Abbott and Costello Meet the Mummy_ or something?
} But what I was wondering is whether Bob Cunningham ever worked that blinky
} thing for ship-to-ship communication during radio silence out on the
} ocean. My stepfather told me that one captain he sailed under while he
} was going to the Merchant Marine Academy (some sort of work-study deal I
} guess) always had the midshipmen run the blinky thing, because they were
} good at it. Did they teach the blinky thing at radio school up near
} Boston?
...
Jitze Couperus
<r...@TheWorld.com> wrote:
>
>But what I was wondering is whether Bob Cunningham ever worked that blinky
>thing for ship-to-ship communication during radio silence out on the
>ocean.
"That blinky thing". I presume you are referring to that great
invention the Aldis Lamp which replaced wig-wags for short-
distance Naval signalling. See
http://www.faradic.net/~gsraven/fons_images/Page_5/aldis_lamp.JPG
Reminds me of when SS Antelope passed by SS Penelope (there you
have those damned SS's again) in mid-Atlantic and the signalman
flashed the following message
"Greetings from Pennylope to Antellypee".
Jitze
Bob Cunningham
couperus-e...@znet.com (Jitze Couperus) said:
[...]
> [...] that great invention the Aldis Lamp which replaced wig-wags for short-
> distance Naval signalling. See
> http://www.faradic.net/~gsraven/fons_images/Page_5/aldis_lamp.JPG
Interesting. If I ever knew that it was called an Aldis
Lamp, I had completely forgotten. I think we just called it
the "blinker".
It's not quite true that it replaced wig-wags; not on
merchant ships anyway. Later in the war, we had a US Navy
gun crew with a dozen men or so, and one of them was a
"signalman". It was his job to communicate with the
signalmen on other ships in a convoy using a flag in each
hand and a different set of arm positions for each
alphanumeric character. I assume that's what's meant by
"wig-wag".
On one trip, our signalman found that his self-winding watch
had quit working. When he eventually got to a watch-repair
shop, they told him it had stopped because it was wound up
too tight. Self-winding watches worked by moving a weight
in a clever contrivance that wound the watch because of
normal arm movements. The contriver probably never expected
the user's arm movements would be as vigorous and as
frequent as those of a signalman.
So far as I can remember, our blinker was never fired in
anger. I think I was the only one who used it much, and the
only reason I used it was to chat with the radio operators
on other ships who were anchored near us. For example, when
we spent our two months or so in Manila Bay*, our skipper
didn't want to lower a boat to take us ashore, so I used to
get on the blinker and find a ship with a kinder skipper and
ask them to swing by and pick some of our people up when
they went ashore.
A straightforward way to make a blinker would be to turn a
light bulb on and off, using the switch as a Morse-code key.
I've used an ordinary flashlight that way, but light bulbs
don't last long if you repeatedly turn them on and off. The
blinker inventor left the light on continuously but "keyed"
the Morse symbols by closing and opening a shutter in front
of the bulb.
At the URL quoted above, you can see the shutter. It's
sorta like a miniature venetian blind with about five slats.
The black handle projecting at the left side of the picture
is the handle you manipulate to open and close the shutter
to get the Morse code.
Another way ships did line-of-sight signaling was with code
flags. There was an elaborate set of flag designs that
could be combined to convey messages. A ship would string
the flags together in the desired order and hoist them on a
long line for other ships to see. Two-way radios couldn't
be used to communicate in a convoy, because enemy submarines
would have been able to receive the signals to detect our
position.
* About our two months in Manila Bay: We were loaded with
stuff for the invasion of Japan, and when we were
approaching Manila we heard on the radio about Hiroshima.
They didn't need our cargo anymore, so we sat in Manila Bay
waiting for them to decide what to do with us.
> Reminds me of when SS Antelope passed by SS Penelope (there you
> have those damned SS's again) in mid-Atlantic and the signalman
> flashed the following message
> "Greetings from Pennylope to Antellypee".
I was going to say a similar gag could work also with
"calliope" and "antelope", but on looking up "calliope" I
find that ['k&li,Oup] is an accepted pronunciation when it
refers to the musical instrument, but not to the Greek Muse.
> Jitze
Don Phillipson
news:f5rb81tftb5n7jp7n...@4ax.com...
> Interesting. If I ever knew that it was called an Aldis
> Lamp, I had completely forgotten. I think we just called it
> the "blinker".
UK Aldis lamp = US signal lamp
UK ASDIC = US SONAR
UK Radio Location = US RADAR
There are plenty more
> Later in the war, we had a US Navy
> gun crew with a dozen men or so, and one of them was a
> "signalman". It was his job to communicate with the
> signalmen on other ships in a convoy using a flag in each
> hand and a different set of arm positions for each
> alphanumeric character. I assume that's what's meant by
> "wig-wag".
Sailors could signal with flags using either Semaphore or
Morse code. Latter is dots and dashes (short and long
movements of the flag) former is a series of stationary
postures (beloved of fans of Swallows and Amazons).
Morse was faster but required more skill to read clearly
so the RN used Semaphore with flags and Morse on the
Aldis lamp.
> A straightforward way to make a blinker would be to turn a
> light bulb on and off, using the switch as a Morse-code key.
> I've used an ordinary flashlight that way, but light bulbs
> don't last long if you repeatedly turn them on and off. The
> blinker inventor left the light on continuously but "keyed"
> the Morse symbols by closing and opening a shutter in front
> of the bulb.
Its other feature (in British types) was an eyepiece, to
help aim the lamp at the message recipient.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
Ross Howard
wrought:
>Bob Cunningham wrote:
>>
>> ... on looking up "calliope" I
>> find that ['k&li,Oup] is an accepted pronunciation when it
>> refers to the musical instrument, but not to the Greek Muse.
>>
>
>I think that accepted pronunciation is common only to carnies.
I've only ever heard it pronounced once in my life: it was
[k@'laI€,pi] in "Blinded by the Light" by Manfred Mann's Earth Band
(1976).
--
Ross Howard
Francis Bellamy
1. Karl Marx’s anti-Semitism (and his Christian background) inspired Hitler’s anti-Semitism and Hitler’s use of Christian cross symbolism including the SWASTIKA (the Hakenkreuz or “hooked cross”); Iron Cross; Balkenkreuz; Krückenkreuz; and the common Christian cross. The symbols signified commonality with Marx’s opposition to Judaism, and they promoted Christianity as the “alternative” thereto. The Swastika was also used to represent “S” letter shapes for “SOCIALISM” (Marx’s underlying dogma). Marx was a Nazi and Hitler was a Communist. http://rexcurry.net
2. NEW SWASTIKA DISCOVERY: Hitler’s symbol is the reason why Hitler renamed his political party from DAP to NSDAP - "National Socialist German Workers Party" - because he needed the word "Socialist" in his party's name so that Hitler could use swastikas as "S"-letter shaped logos for "SOCIALIST" as the party's emblem. The party's name had to fit in Hitler's socialist branding campaign that used the swastika and many other similar alphabetical symbols, including the “SS” and “SA” and “NSV” and “VW” etc.
3. NEW LENIN’S SWASTIKA REVELATION: Vladimir Lenin’s swastika is exposed herein. The impact of Lenin’s swastikas was reinforced at that time with additional swastikas on ruble money (paper currency). The swastika became a symbol of socialism under Lenin. It’s influence upon Adolf Hitler is explained in this book.
Lenin’s Christian background was similar to Marx’s. Marx’s anti-Semitism (and his religious upbringing) inspired Lenin’s anti-Semitism and the use of the SWASTIKA as Christian cross symbolism after 1917. The swastika symbol signified commonality with Marx’s opposition to Judaism. Judaism was banned by Soviet socialists. Under Lenin, the Russian Orthodox Church remained powerful (then Stalin became tyrant in 1922). The Swastika was also used to represent “S” letter shapes for “SOCIALISM” (Marx’s underlying dogma).
4. Marx, Hitler and their supporters self-identified as “socialists” by the very word in voluminous speeches and writings. The term "Socialist" appears throughout Mein Kampf as a self-description by Hitler. (Marx also used the term “Communist”).
5. Hitler was heavily influenced by Marx. Many socialists in the USA were also shaped by Marx. Two famous American socialists (the cousins Edward Bellamy and Francis Bellamy) were heavily influenced by Marx. The American socialists returned the favor: Francis Bellamy created the “Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag” that produced Nazi salutes and Nazi behavior. The Bellamy cousins were American national socialists.
6. Hitler never called himself a "Nazi." There was no “Nazi Germany.” There was no “Nazi Party.”
7. Hitler never called himself a “Fascist.” Modern socialists use “Nazi” and “Fascist” to hide how Hitler and his comrades self-identified: SOCIALIST.
8. The term “Nazi” isn’t in "Mein Kampf" nor in "Triumph of the Will."
9. The term “Fascist” never appears in Mein Kampf as a self-description by Hitler.
10. The term “swastika” never appears in the original Mein Kampf.
11. There is no evidence that Hitler ever used the word “swastika.”
12. The symbol that Hitler did use was intended to represent “S”-letter shapes for “socialist.”
13. Hitler altered his own signature to show his “S-shapes for socialism” logo branding. No one should stand for nor chant the Pledge of Allegiance because it was the origin of the Nazi salute and Nazi behavior (see the discoveries of the historian Dr. Rex Curry). The early pledge began with a military salute that was then extended outward to point at the flag (thus the stiff-arm gesture came from the pledge and from the military salute). Please spread the word.
Athel Cornish-Bowden
[a lot of irrelevant ranting.]
I see that you're determined to get into as many killfiles as possible.
In one case, at least, you've succeeded.
--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.
occam
> On Monday, June 13, 2005 at 8:26:20 AM UTC-4, re...@ij.net wrote:
>> The straight-arm salute appears in Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph of the
>> Will (1935) and Olympia (1938). The impact of the 1935 film gave many
>> people the misimpression that the gesture originated with the National
>> Socialists in Germany. Later, in 1937's Scipione l'Africano,
>> director Carmine Gallone used the salute as visual tool to turn
>> Mussolini into a new Scipio. Later still, the "Roman" salute myth was
>> enlarged in Quo Vadis (1951 Mervyn LeRoy) whose triumph sequence is
>> modeled on Triumph of the Will, replete with the socialist salute.
> Good blast from the past. Top mind-blowing discoveries of the 21st Century were revealed in the academic work of Professor Rex Curry and explained by the author Ian Tinny in his book: "Hitler Was A Communist".. For example, Many of the following facts (with credit to Dr. Curry) will be news to most readers:
>
couldn't get worse, you unearth this 2005 gem of a post.
As you were. I am sure, in time, Usenet archaeology will become a topic
which will be taught at university.
Peter T. Daniels
> On 2022-09-30 07:53:41 +0000, Francis Bellamy said:
> [a lot of irrelevant ranting.]
> I see that you're determined to get into as many killfiles as possible.
> In one case, at least, you've succeeded.
Well, you do make a habit if encouraging trolls to continue posting.
Sam Plusnet
> On 2022-09-30 07:53:41 +0000, Francis Bellamy said:
>
> [a lot of irrelevant ranting.]
>
> I see that you're determined to get into as many killfiles as possible.
> In one case, at least, you've succeeded.
that.
--
Sam Plusnet
Peter T. Daniels
Why did you even investigate it? Do you examine every anonymous troll
for its posting system?
Peter Moylan
> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 4:03:55 AM UTC-4, Athel
> Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2022-09-30 07:53:41 +0000, Francis Bellamy said:
>
>> [a lot of irrelevant ranting.] I see that you're determined to get
>> into as many killfiles as possible. In one case, at least, you've
>> succeeded.
>
> Still haven't twigged to the name "Francis Bellamy"?
would be likely to recognise.
--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
Athel Cornish-Bowden
> On 30/09/22 23:46, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 4:03:55 AM UTC-4, Athel
>> Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>> On 2022-09-30 07:53:41 +0000, Francis Bellamy said:
>>
>>> [a lot of irrelevant ranting.] I see that you're determined to get
>>> into as many killfiles as possible. In one case, at least, you've
>>> succeeded.
>>
>> Still haven't twigged to the name "Francis Bellamy"?
suggest that I hadn't looked up Francis Bellamy, and I had.
> That promoted me to look up the name. OK, not someone non-Americans
> would be likely to recognise.
--
Kerr-Mudd, John
Athel Cornish-Bowden <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
> On 2022-10-01 04:00:45 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
>
> > On 30/09/22 23:46, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 4:03:55 AM UTC-4, Athel
> >> Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >>> On 2022-09-30 07:53:41 +0000, Francis Bellamy said:
> >>
> >>> [a lot of irrelevant ranting.] I see that you're determined to get
> >>> into as many killfiles as possible. In one case, at least, you've
> >>> succeeded.
> >>
> >> Still haven't twigged to the name "Francis Bellamy"?
>
> What has led to the silly little man's conclusion? I wrote nothing to
> suggest that I hadn't looked up Francis Bellamy, and I had.
> >
> > That promoted me to look up the name. OK, not someone non-Americans
> > would be likely to recognise.
>
>
> --
> Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.
>
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
Peter T. Daniels
he wrote the Pledge of Allegiance _that he hates so much_.
And that, just to forestall JJ, has nothing to do with "Nazi salutes."
Peter T. Daniels
> On 2022-10-01 04:00:45 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
> > On 30/09/22 23:46, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 4:03:55 AM UTC-4, Athel
> >> Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >>> On 2022-09-30 07:53:41 +0000, Francis Bellamy said:
> >>> [a lot of irrelevant ranting.] I see that you're determined to get
> >>> into as many killfiles as possible. In one case, at least, you've
> >>> succeeded.
> >> Still haven't twigged to the name "Francis Bellamy"?
>
> What has led to the silly little man's conclusion? I wrote nothing to
> suggest that I hadn't looked up Francis Bellamy, and I had.
> > That promoted me to look up the name. OK, not someone non-Americans
> > would be likely to recognise.
> --
> Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.
Peter T. Daniels
> On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 09:22:56 +0200
> Athel Cornish-Bowden <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
>
> > On 2022-10-01 04:00:45 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
> >
> > > On 30/09/22 23:46, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > >> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 4:03:55 AM UTC-4, Athel
> > >> Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > >>> On 2022-09-30 07:53:41 +0000, Francis Bellamy said:
> > >>> [a lot of irrelevant ranting.] I see that you're determined to get
> > >>> into as many killfiles as possible. In one case, at least, you've
> > >>> succeeded.
> > >> Still haven't twigged to the name "Francis Bellamy"?
> > What has led to the silly little man's conclusion? I wrote nothing to
> > suggest that I hadn't looked up Francis Bellamy, and I had.
> > >
> He hasn't had a good fight for ages.
that because you're both afraid to read what I _actually_ write
instead of what happens to get quoted.