Cultural lighting?
LFS
people from the cargo ship off the Scilly Isles:
"..it's extremely dark with no sort of cultural lighting at all at that
distance from land."
What could he have meant?
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Laura
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Donna Richoux
> From the BBC web site, comments of the helicopter pilot who rescued
> people from the cargo ship off the Scilly Isles:
>
> "..it's extremely dark with no sort of cultural lighting at all at that
> distance from land."
>
> What could he have meant?
Googling turns up 609 hits, such as:
Significant reflected cultural lighting (such as the illumination caused
by the reflection of a major metropolitan area's lighting reflecting off
a ...
The illumination provided by the cultural lighting of Baghdad and the
outlying areas is behind us.
Extensive cultural lighting (man-made, such as a built-up area of a
city),. Significant reflected cultural lighting (such as the
illumination caused by ...
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Best -- Donna Richoux
Django Cat
> From the BBC web site, comments of the helicopter pilot who rescued
> people from the cargo ship off the Scilly Isles:
>
> "..it's extremely dark with no sort of cultural lighting at all at
> that distance from land."
>
> What could he have meant?
Sounds like helicopter rescue pilot's jargon for lighting produced by
human activity, as opposed to by the Moon, Sun or stars.
Like most jargon, what may sound like piffle to outsiders may well be a
fundamentally important distinction to the people who use it, in this
case maybe a matter of life or death.
DC
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Sara Lorimer
> From the BBC web site, comments of the helicopter pilot who rescued
> people from the cargo ship off the Scilly Isles:
>
> "..it's extremely dark with no sort of cultural lighting at all at that
> distance from land."
>
> What could he have meant?
That he can hear you singing in the wire?
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SML
Joe Fineman
> From the BBC web site, comments of the helicopter pilot who rescued
> people from the cargo ship off the Scilly Isles:
>
> "..it's extremely dark with no sort of cultural lighting at all at
> that distance from land."
>
> What could he have meant?
I suspect a relation to cartographers' jargon, in which "culture"
means fixed objects (buildings, bridges, roads, etc.) of human
origin. (Not in OED, AHD, or McGraw-Hill, tho!) If so, then it would
include lighthouses but exclude ships (not to be found on maps).
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Mark Brader
> "..it's extremely dark with no sort of cultural lighting at all at that
> distance from land."
>
> What could he have meant?
Obviously a non-pejorative term for what astronomers want us to call
"light pollution". I like it!
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Mark Brader "Just because the standard provides a cliff in
Toronto front of you, you are not necessarily required
m...@vex.net to jump off it." -- Norman Diamond
Mike Lyle
> Laura Spira:
>> "..it's extremely dark with no sort of cultural lighting at all at
>> that distance from land."
>>
>> What could he have meant?
>
> Obviously a non-pejorative term for what astronomers want us to call
> "light pollution". I like it!
I dislike it. With an intensity scarcely greater now than before my son
gave me an astromomical telescope for Christmas. The last place I lived,
you could guarantee to see shooting stars if the sky was half
clear --one of said son's friends even had a little personal
"superstition", in that he wouldn't go to bed till he'd seen a meteor,
and was never short of sleep. Light pollution is not only a pain in its
own right, but also a sign of waste; and a sign not only of waste, but
of a contribution to climate change.
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Mike.
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J. J. Lodder
> Laura Spira:
> > "..it's extremely dark with no sort of cultural lighting at all at that
> > distance from land."
> >
> > What could he have meant?
>
> Obviously a non-pejorative term for what astronomers want us to call
> "light pollution". I like it!
What's wrong with 'light pollution'?
The term describes what it is accurately,
Jan
Paul Wolff
this guy, man, flying a helicopter, in the dark, above an uncomfortable
piece of Atlantic Ocean, trying to pick people off a tossing ship, and
he's not exactly going to speak of any helpful passing photon as
'pollution'. On the contrary, he will give it a medal to pin on its
bosom (nearly wrote 'boson ' there), and a cultural merit award.
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Paul
Arcadian Rises
> �From the BBC web site, comments of the helicopter pilot who rescued
Obviously dark ages. A backward country with savage people and very
slow Internet service.
Amethyst Deceiver
la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk says...
> From the BBC web site, comments of the helicopter pilot who rescued
> people from the cargo ship off the Scilly Isles:
>
> "..it's extremely dark with no sort of cultural lighting at all at that
> distance from land."
>
> What could he have meant?
No street or house lights to be seen. Unlike, say, the Isle of Wight,
which is visible for some distance.
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Linz
Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
My accent may vary
Django Cat
> > What's wrong with 'light pollution'?
> > The term describes what it is accurately,
> >
> Light is not 'pollution' to a man who wants light to see by. You
> have this guy, man, flying a helicopter, in the dark, above an
> uncomfortable piece of Atlantic Ocean, trying to pick people off a
> tossing ship, and he's not exactly going to speak of any helpful
> passing photon as 'pollution'. On the contrary, he will give it a
> medal to pin on its bosom (nearly wrote 'boson ' there), and a
> cultural merit award.
> --
Nice.
DC
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Django Cat
> > From the BBC web site, comments of the helicopter pilot who
> > rescued people from the cargo ship off the Scilly Isles:
> >
> > "..it's extremely dark with no sort of cultural lighting at all at
> > that distance from land."
> >
> > What could he have meant?
>
> No street or house lights to be seen. Unlike, say, the Isle of Wight,
> which is visible for some distance.
What, from here?
DC
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Django Cat
>
> > From the BBC web site, comments of the helicopter pilot who rescued
> > people from the cargo ship off the Scilly Isles:
> >
> > "..it's extremely dark with no sort of cultural lighting at all at
> > that distance from land."
> >
> > What could he have meant?
>
> I suspect a relation to cartographers' jargon, in which "culture"
> means fixed objects (buildings, bridges, roads, etc.) of human
> origin. (Not in OED, AHD, or McGraw-Hill, tho!) If so, then it would
> include lighthouses but exclude ships (not to be found on maps).
> --
Ah.
DC
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RickR
Cultural: The result of culture. A creation of civilization.
RickR
RickR
Man" finds a box of food in the wilderness he eats it and is glad. If
the bear eats it, the bear gets sick.
Pollution is an accurate term because the light is not doing it's
intended job. It is also degrading the general environment.
RickR
On Feb 3, 3:05 pm, Paul Wolff <bounc...@two.wolff.co.uk> wrote:
> J. J. Lodder <nos...@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote>Mark Brader <m...@vex.net> wrote:
>
> >> Laura Spira:
> >> > "..it's extremely dark with no sort of cultural lighting at all at that
> >> > distance from land."
>
> >> > What could he have meant?
>
> >> Obviously a non-pejorative term for what astronomers want us to call
> >> "lightpollution". I like it!
>
> >What's wrong with 'lightpollution'?
> >The term describes what it is accurately,
>
> Lightis not 'pollution' to a man who wantslightto see by. You have
Paul Wolff
Amethyst Deceiver
nota...@address.co.uk says...
No, you're not facing the right way.
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
An example of the use of cultural lighting is reported in _The
Times_ (London):
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article3308405.ece
February 5, 2008
Falcons use city lights to find prey
Peregrine falcons have learnt to hunt at night using the
lights of cities to reveal their prey, researchers have
discovered.
Analysis of the remains of the falcons' meals in Bath,
Bristol and Exeter identified a significant proportion of
prey that would mostly have been caught at night. Edward
Drewitt, of Bristol's City Museum, said: "Normally you
associate night hunting just with owls. I suspect this is a
recent phenomena."
Species that had been taken by the falcons included
black-necked grebes and woodcock, which usually move in the
dark.
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Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)