[=SDC=] Q81. Holy Vitamin C
Michael Hamm
Areff
> What connects St Athan with oranges?
Rugby.
R H Draney
>
>What connects St Athan with oranges?
Same thing that connects both with aprons: they've had their initial N's taken
away....r
Philip Eden
"Michael Hamm" <msh...@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
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> What connects St Athan with oranges?
RAF St Athan in Glamorgan was one of the main airfields
used to supply the Berlin Air Lift in, when was it, 1949-50?
Fresh fruit, including oranges, were one of the most important
constituents of the supplies.
Philip Eden
Pat Durkin
"Philip Eden" <philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom> wrote in message
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One of my favorite movies, made in 1950, and
"Filmed on location, The Big Lift is a reenactment of the Berlin airlift of
1948. Flexing their postwar muscles, the Russians blockade the Western
sector, refusing to allow the Allies to ship supplies to the starving
Berliners."
Philip Eden
"Michael Hamm" <msh...@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
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There's a pub called the "William and Mary" in
Llantwit Road, St Athan, Glamorgan.
Philip Eden
Adrian Bailey
I like it! But the T.O. answer has already come close to being found.
Adrian
T.O.P.
Rich Ragan
"Michael Hamm" <msh...@math.wustl.edu> wrote in message
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The phonetic alphabet used at St.Athan during the war was likely to have
used "orange" for the letter O.
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/RAF%20phonetic%20alphabet
Rich
Philip Eden
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"Orange" comes from Arabic "naranj" and Persian "narang", and
Sanskrit "naranga", according to my Collins.
"Saint Athan" in Welsh, bizarrely, is "Sain Tathan".
So "orange" and "Athan" each appears to have lost its
initial letter.
Philip Eden
Jitze Couperus
Yes! Bingo! Thank you! Sheepmeister, are you wearing
your napron? Over here!
Jitze
Jeffrey Turner
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 02:04:29 +0100, "Philip Eden"
> <philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom> wrote:
>>>"Philip Eden" <philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom> wrote:
>>>>"Michael Hamm" <msh...@math.wustl.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>What connects St Athan with oranges?
>>>>
>>>>There's a pub called the "William and Mary" in
>>>>Llantwit Road, St Athan, Glamorgan.
>>>
>>>I like it! But the T.O. answer has already come close to being found.
>>>
>>
>>Well, let me piggy-back on RHD's answer.
>>"Orange" comes from Arabic "naranj" and Persian "narang", and
>>Sanskrit "naranga", according to my Collins.
>>
>>"Saint Athan" in Welsh, bizarrely, is "Sain Tathan".
>>
>>So "orange" and "Athan" each appears to have lost its
>>initial letter.
>
> Yes! Bingo! Thank you! Sheepmeister, are you wearing
> your napron? Over here!
Good job of umpiring that one.
--Jeff
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Jitze Couperus
<jtu...@localnet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>So "orange" and "Athan" each appears to have lost its
>>>initial letter.
>>
>> Yes! Bingo! Thank you! Sheepmeister, are you wearing
>> your napron? Over here!
>
>Good job of umpiring that one.
>
Nice! I wasn't aware of that example.
Jitze
Evan Kirshenbaum
Hold it a second. This would seem to imply that the commonality is
that each resulted in a misdivision in English, with "a norange"
becoming "an orange" (as happened with "apron", "adder", and
"umpire"). But "orange" had already lost its "n" before it got near
English. The OED traces it back through Middle French "orenge" to
Italian "arancio". MWCD11 takes it through Anglo-French "orrange",
"araunge" to Old Occitan "auranja". By either route it had already
lost the "n", and it's not obvious that it was via misdivision in
those languages.
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Michael Hamm
> Hold it a second. This would seem to imply that the commonality is
> that each resulted in a misdivision in English, with "a norange"
> becoming "an orange" (as happened with "apron", "adder", and
> "umpire"). But "orange" had already lost its "n" before it got near
> English.
The TO answer is:
# Reanalysis, misdivision: Athan is sometimes Tathan, and oranges are
# elsewhere naranja.
Michael Hamm
AM, Math, Wash. U. St. Louis
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Jerry Friedman
Here is your undivided Cormo, with an eft as a bonus.
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