1800s, 1900s, etc.
Jerry T. Lincoln
I expect all will agree that the years from 1800 to 1809 all belong to
the 1800s. But is it acceptable to refer to the years from 1810 to
1899 as the 1800s?
Thank you,
Jerry T
Jim Lawton
Lincoln) wrote:
>
>I expect all will agree that the years from 1800 to 1809 all belong to
>the 1800s. But is it acceptable to refer to the years from 1810 to
>1899 as the 1800s?
Yes, and it's been discussed several times, if you google in Google Groups.
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Jim
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Harvey Van Sickle
>
> I expect all will agree that the years from 1800 to 1809 all
> belong to the 1800s. But is it acceptable to refer to the years
> from 1810 to 1899 as the 1800s?
In my view it's fine as long as the context makes it clear which "00s"
you're talking about. (Aanyone who maintains that the statement
"Electric street lighting was introduced in London in the late 1800s"
is ambiguous -- it could mean "about 1808 or 1809" -- is finding false
ambiguity.)
In fact, I'd say "the 1800s" referring to the 19th century is much,
much more commonly used than as a reference to 1800-1809.
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Peter Romero
> much more commonly used than as a reference to 1800-1809.
I've never heard "the 1800s" refer to 1800-1809. As a matter of fact, I'd
like to ask how one /would/ refer to 1800-1809, and 1810-1819. You have the
1830s, 1820s, but not the "eightteen-teens" or the "eightteen-aughts" or
whatever else. Maybe just "the first decade of the 19th century"?
Harvey Van Sickle
I'm not positive about this, but I think I've called the 1810-1819
period the "eighteen tens" (rather than teens); I know I'd generally
avoid it, though, and for the earlier decade I'd invariably opt for
something like "from 1800 to 1810".
Peter Romero
> period the "eighteen tens" (rather than teens); I know I'd generally
> avoid it, though, and for the earlier decade I'd invariably opt for
> something like "from 1800 to 1810".
On the Weather Channel in the US, I notice they refer to the decades of
Fahrenheit temperatures as the "20s," the "teens," the "single digits," and
the "single digits below zero." Would that there could be some similar
construct for years!
Mark Brader
> > In fact, I'd say "the 1800s" referring to the 19th century is much,
> > much more commonly used than as a reference to 1800-1809.
Agreed. That's how I'd take it if it wasn't in a specific context
alongside the 1810s, 1820s, etc.
Peter Romero:
> I've never heard "the 1800s" refer to 1800-1809. As a matter of fact, I'd
> like to ask how one /would/ refer to 1800-1809, and 1810-1819.
Just like that, usually.
> You have the
> 1830s, 1820s, but not the "eightteen-teens" or the "eightteen-aughts" or
> whatever else.
In informal speech I'd happily say "eighteen-teens" and "eighteen-zeroes",
and expect the listener to figure out the latter.
> Maybe just "the first decade of the 19th century"?
Do that and you'll just bother people who know that that means 1801-1810.
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Jim Lawton
>Harvey Van Sickle:
>> > In fact, I'd say "the 1800s" referring to the 19th century is much,
>> > much more commonly used than as a reference to 1800-1809.
>
>Agreed. That's how I'd take it if it wasn't in a specific context
>alongside the 1810s, 1820s, etc.
>
>Peter Romero:
>> I've never heard "the 1800s" refer to 1800-1809. As a matter of fact, I'd
>> like to ask how one /would/ refer to 1800-1809, and 1810-1819.
>
>Just like that, usually.
>
>> You have the
>> 1830s, 1820s, but not the "eightteen-teens" or the "eightteen-aughts" or
>> whatever else.
>
>In informal speech I'd happily say "eighteen-teens" and "eighteen-zeroes",
>and expect the listener to figure out the latter.
>
>> Maybe just "the first decade of the 19th century"?
>
>Do that and you'll just bother people who know that that means 1801-1810.
I quote Maria Conlon from January 1998! :-
<http://tinyurl.com/8bwx3>
BTW, once we are in the 21st Century, I think the term "1900s" will refer
to all 4-digit years that begin with 19, just as the "1800s" means any
"18--" year to me. (This may be a wrong perception on my part, but it's
what I automatically think when someone says "the 1800s" or, to be more
precise as to speaking, "the eighteen hundreds.")
and Wood Avens from July this year :-
<http://tinyurl.com/8yxuf>
To me, and as I learnt it from an early age, the years from
1900 to 1909 are the nineteen-hundreds, the years from 1910 to 1919
the nineteen-tens, the years from 1920 to 1929 the nineteen-twenties,
and so on. "Nineteen-oughts" doesn't exist in my vocabulary.
I've seen, initially with some confusion, that Leftpondians use
"nineteen-hundreds" to mean the whole century, not just the first
decade of it, and I've occasionally seen the phrase used in this way
here (UK), but only comparatively recently. Subject to correction by
other Brits of roughly my generation, I suspect this is a phrase in
transition, in the UK at least.
--
Jim
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Prai Jei
<1YVXe.1516$QE1....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
The decade 1800-1809.
In the UK the (nearly) corresponding decade of the 20th century is referred
to as "the Edwardian era", where it's understood that Edward VII, who
reigned from 1901 to 1910, is referred to. (The octavo-Edwardian era lasted
just ten months.)
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Jerry T. Lincoln wrote:
> I expect all will agree that the years from 1800 to 1809 all belong to
> the 1800s. But is it acceptable to refer to the years from 1810 to
> 1899 as the 1800s?
Of COURSE! When someone says "1900's", the first thing that anyone
assumes they mean IS the entire century! When discussing the specific
decade, it's usually normal to say "the 1900's decade". Taking it a
step further back, it works the same way: when someone mentions the
"1000's", we take it to mean the WHOLE MILLENNIUM! "1000's decade" and
"1000's century" are two different things.
We are currently in the "2000's"; in another six years, we will be in
the "2000's" (century and millennium), but also in the "2010's"
["tens"???] decade.
Prai Jei
<1YVXe.1516$QE1....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
>> In fact, I'd say "the 1800s" referring to the 19th century is much,
In another group I used the expression "the 2010's" to refer to the period
2010-2019.
Harvey Van Sickle
> Peter Romero (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in
> message
><1YVXe.1516$QE1....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
>
>>> In fact, I'd say "the 1800s" referring to the 19th century is
>>> much, much more commonly used than as a reference to 1800-1809.
>>
>> I've never heard "the 1800s" refer to 1800-1809. As a matter of
>> fact, I'd like to ask how one /would/ refer to 1800-1809, and
>> 1810-1819. You have the 1830s, 1820s, but not the
>> "eightteen-teens" or the "eightteen-aughts" or whatever else.
>> Maybe just "the first decade of the 19th century"?
>
> The decade 1800-1809.
>
> In the UK the (nearly) corresponding decade of the 20th century is
> referred to as "the Edwardian era", where it's understood that
> Edward VII, who reigned from 1901 to 1910, is referred to. (The
> octavo-Edwardian era lasted just ten months.)
This is one of those flexible periods, though -- "Edwardian" covers the
core period of the reign of 1901-10, but doesn't really end until 1914.
(It's like "Regency" -- technically 1811-20, but in social terms
extended to George IV's death in 1830, and even -- stylistically -- to
William IV's reign.)
Harvey Van Sickle
> Peter Romero (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in
> message
><1YVXe.1516$QE1....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
>
>>> In fact, I'd say "the 1800s" referring to the 19th century is
>>> much, much more commonly used than as a reference to 1800-1809.
>>
>> I've never heard "the 1800s" refer to 1800-1809. As a matter of
>> fact, I'd like to ask how one /would/ refer to 1800-1809, and
>> 1810-1819. You have the 1830s, 1820s, but not the
>> "eightteen-teens" or the "eightteen-aughts" or whatever else.
>> Maybe just "the first decade of the 19th century"?
>
> In another group I used the expression "the 2010's" to refer to
> the period 2010-2019.
That works for me.
ray o'hara
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1800s and such suggests to me the entire century.
Donna Richoux
> (It's like "Regency" -- technically 1811-20, but in social terms
> extended to George IV's death in 1830, and even -- stylistically -- to
> William IV's reign.)
I've never noticed the word Regency applied to after the Regency,
myself. Can you remember where you've seen this?
Women's fashion in 1811-1820 was very different from that afterwards.
http://www.regencygarderobe.com/Reproductions/GownsOverview.htm
http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/1824to1830costumesparisiens.htm
The return of waistlines and full skirts, mostly.
Maybe it had something to do with Paris's return to the scene of fashion
dominance, now that the Revolution and Napoleon's wars were over.
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Best -- Donna Richoux
Harvey Van Sickle
> Harvey Van Sickle <harve...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>
>> (It's like "Regency" -- technically 1811-20, but in social terms
>> extended to George IV's death in 1830, and even -- stylistically
>> -- to William IV's reign.)
>
> I've never noticed the word Regency applied to after the Regency,
> myself. Can you remember where you've seen this?
It's widespread in architectural and art history usage.
I have a (fairly obscure, paperback) "Dictionary of Art Terms" which
defines Regency as "An English style which takes its name from the
Prince Regent (afterwards George IV), and covers the period of the
Regency of George III (1811-20) and the reign of George IV (1820-30)".
Similarly, there's a 1940s' book by Donald Pilcher called "The Regency
Style, 1800 to 1830", and a 1991 book by Giles Worsley called
"Architectural Drawings of the Regency Period, 1790-1837".