sentence using all 26 letters only once

Akureyri

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In earlier posts there was some discussion about the word "cwm" , a mountain
climbing term most commonly heard in discussions about Mt. Everest. It reminded
me of the challenge to write one correct and comprehensible English sentence
using each of the 26 letters of the alphabet, but only use each letter once.
Words such as "cwm" and "lynch" and "lynx" are often used in such attempts.
Some people have written sentences that they claim to be winners, but these
sentences take such a stretch on the meanings of some of the words that no one
is really very impressed. The last I heard was that the general consensus was
that it has not been done yet. So Rushtown or one of the Bobbettes or one of
you other people in this newsgroup who think you are so smart (with some
justification) see how well you can do and post it.

Rushtown

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><HTML><PRE>Subject: sentence using all 26 letters only once
>From: akur...@aol.com (Akureyri)
>Date: Sun, Oct 18, 1998 21:40 EDT
>Message-id: <19981018214051...@ng131.aol.com>

"My Name is Bcdfghjklopqrtuvwxz".

Rushtown

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>From: rush...@aol.com (Rushtown)
>Date: Sun, Oct 18, 1998 23:34 EDT
>Message-id: <19981018233414...@ng03.aol.com>

But seriously, "Th lazy dg jumps over he
quick brwn fx."

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In article <19981018234710...@ng03.aol.com>,

Even seriouser: "Jump, dogs - why vex Fritz Blank Q.C."

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Brian J Goggin

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On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:42:15 GMT, pressu...@my-dejanews.com
wrote:

[...]

>Even seriouser: "Jump, dogs - why vex Fritz Blank Q.C."

Professor David Crystal, in *Language Play* (1998) rejects

D V Pike flung J Q Schwartz my box

because it uses proper names and

New job: fix Mr Gluck's hazy TV, PDQ

because it uses abbreviations. He prefers

Veldt jynx grimps waqf zho buck

because, he says, all the words are in the OED:

*veldt* In South Africa, unenclosed country ...
*jynx* A bird, the wryneck
*grimp* To cause to mount
*waqf* In Islamic countries, land given to a religious
institution for charitable purposes ...
*zho* A hybrid bovine animal, bred from a yak bull and a common
cow ...
*buck* The male of several animals ...

He says "This is certainly grammatically and lexically
plausible, though whether, in the real world, it is the case
that a jynx living on the veldt has ever been observed to have
cause to mount (or to cause something --- or someone --- else to
mount) a zho buck in a waqf must be one of life's remaining
empirical questions."

bjg

Simon R. Hughes

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Det sies at akur...@aol.com (Akureyri) sa:

> So Rushtown or one of the Bobbettes or one of
> you other people in this newsgroup who think you are so smart (with some
> justification) see how well you can do and post it.

You forgot the comma between "Bobbettes" and "or".

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Mark Schaefer

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Oct 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/19/98

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In article <36319321...@news.indigo.ie>, b...@wordwrights.ie (Brian J
Goggin) wrote:

Wait a minute! Maybe my newserver has truncated this thread with
unfortunate results, but whatever happened to:

The quick brown fow jumps over the lazy dog.

This sentence has the virtue of using all the letters and note being a
grammatical or conceptual stretch.

-- Mark Schaefer

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and in all things--charity." -- John Wesley

Brian J Goggin

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On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:30:34 -0400,
Mark_S...@REMOVETHIScsgi.com (Mark Schaefer) wrote:

[...]

>} Veldt jynx grimps waqf zho buck

[...]

>Wait a minute! Maybe my newserver has truncated this thread with
>unfortunate results, but whatever happened to:

> The quick brown fow jumps over the lazy dog.

[...]

You may have missed the significance of the header: each of the
26 letters is to be used only once.

bjg

Andrew C Taubman

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Oct 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/20/98

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Mark Schaefer wrote:
>
> Wait a minute! Maybe my newserver has truncated this thread with
> unfortunate results, but whatever happened to:
>
> The quick brown fow jumps over the lazy dog.
>

> This sentence has the virtue of using all the letters and note being a
> grammatical or conceptual stretch.

Did you read the subject? It says "sentence using all 26 letters only
once". Yours uses "w" twice, among others. What is a "fow", BTW?

Akureyri

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Oct 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/20/98

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> The quick brown fow jumps over the lazy dog.

But it uses some letters twice

a1a5...@bc.sympatico.ca

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On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:39:07 GMT, b...@wordwrights.ie (Brian J Goggin)
wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:30:34 -0400,

>Mark_S...@REMOVETHIScsgi.com (Mark Schaefer) wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>} Veldt jynx grimps waqf zho buck
>
>[...]
>

>>Wait a minute! Maybe my newserver has truncated this thread with
>>unfortunate results, but whatever happened to:
>

>> The quick brown fow jumps over the lazy dog.
>

>[...]
>
>You may have missed the significance of the header: each of the
>26 letters is to be used only once.
>
>bjg
>

I took it as absolute proof of the monkeyed Bible theory, coming from
Chrystal.

Mark Schaefer

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Oct 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/20/98

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In article <363ccd36...@news.indigo.ie>, b...@wordwrights.ie (Brian J
Goggin) wrote:

} On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:30:34 -0400,
} Mark_S...@REMOVETHIScsgi.com (Mark Schaefer) wrote:
}
} [...]
}
} >} Veldt jynx grimps waqf zho buck
}
} [...]
}
} >Wait a minute! Maybe my newserver has truncated this thread with
} >unfortunate results, but whatever happened to:
}
} > The quick brown fow jumps over the lazy dog.
}
} [...]
}
} You may have missed the significance of the header: each of the
} 26 letters is to be used only once.

You're right, Brian. I did. I guess I've gotten out of the habit of
believing there's any association between header and thread content.

Brian J Goggin

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On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:41:19 -0400,
Mark_S...@REMOVETHIScsgi.com (Mark Schaefer) wrote:

[...]

>You're right, Brian. I did. I guess I've gotten out of the habit of

>believing there's any association between header and thread content.

Usually the course of wisdom.

bjg

Martin Murray

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Oct 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/21/98

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Brian J Goggin (b...@wordwrights.ie) wrote:
: On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:30:34 -0400,

: Mark_S...@REMOVETHIScsgi.com (Mark Schaefer) wrote:
:
: [...]

:
: >} Veldt jynx grimps waqf zho buck

:
: [...]
:
: >Wait a minute! Maybe my newserver has truncated this thread with
: >unfortunate results, but whatever happened to:
:
: > The quick brown fow jumps over the lazy dog.
:
: [...]
:
: You may have missed the significance of the header: each of the
: 26 letters is to be used only once.

:
: bjg
:

The best I've seen (and I've posted it here before) is

Quartz glyph job vex'd cwm finks.

With vexed spelt properly it's still only 27 letters. Quick brown fox is
well beaten by

Pack my box with five dozen liquor jugs

which is my favourite using "ordinary" words.

Martin Murray

Markus Laker

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Oct 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/21/98

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Andrew C Taubman <ataubman.Remo...@novell.AndThis.com> wrote:

> Mark Schaefer wrote:
> >
> > Wait a minute! Maybe my newserver has truncated this thread with
> > unfortunate results, but whatever happened to:
> >
> > The quick brown fow jumps over the lazy dog.
> >

> > This sentence has the virtue of using all the letters and note being a
> > grammatical or conceptual stretch.
>
> Did you read the subject? It says "sentence using all 26 letters only
> once". Yours uses "w" twice, among others. What is a "fow", BTW?

You're missing the point, Andrew. 'Fow' is a verb meaning 'clean,
cleanse'. 'The quick brown' is the subject and 'jumps' is the object.
'Over the lazy dog' tells us where the action takes place. The sentence
means: all living brown people cleanse hurdles above the lazy dog. I
trust this clears things up.

It's a pity Mark's sentence doesn't contain an 'x'; it's so nearly a
pangram. I wonder where we might squeeze one in.

Markus

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JFK got my VHS, PC and XLR web quiz.

Booyah bitches.

Muhammad Habib

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sentence using all 26 letters only once.

The quick brown fox
Jumps over the lazy dog

Sam Plusnet

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Right... About those three "o"s & two "u"s and...

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musika

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Or even the four "o"s and two "the"s...

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Peter T. Daniels

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Here's a perfect pangram:

Cwm fjord-bank glyphs vext quiz.

http://www.fun-with-words.com/pang_example.html

Kerr-Mudd,John

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There is one on the internest somewhere; but it's quite contrived.

Let's try google, shall we?

"Cwm fjord bank glyphs vext quiz."

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bert

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On Saturday, 26 September 2020 at 20:23:29 UTC+1, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Sep 2020 18:31:01 GMT, mus...@NOSPAMexcite.com> wrote:
> > On 26/09/2020 18:56, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >> On 26-Sep-20 18:42, Muhammad Habib wrote:
> >>> sentence using all 26 letters only once.

> There is one on the internet somewhere; but it's quite contrived.

> "Cwm fjord bank glyphs vext quiz."

An older edition of the Guinness Book of Records offered
"Quartz cwm glyph job vex'd finks"
admitting that the apostrophe made it just a near-miss.

Peter Moylan

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On 27/09/20 05:23, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Sep 2020 18:31:01 GMT, musika <mUs...@NOSPAMexcite.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 26/09/2020 18:56, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 26-Sep-20 18:42, Muhammad Habib wrote:
>>>> sentence using all 26 letters only once.
>>>>
>>>> The quick brown fox Jumps over the lazy dog
>>>>

>>> Right...Â About those three "o"s & two "u"s and...

>>>
>> Or even the four "o"s and two "the"s...
>>
> There is one on the internest somewhere; but it's quite contrived.
>
> Let's try google, shall we?
>
> "Cwm fjord bank glyphs vext quiz."

Which is going to leave the majority of readers puzzled as to what it means.

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Lewis

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In message <7aeb06db-191a-4c8f...@googlegroups.com> Muhammad Habib <armana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> sentence using all 26 letters only once.

What about them?

> The quick brown fox
> Jumps over the lazy dog

That is probably the most famous, but also one of the longest pangrams
out there.

Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow

Considerably shorter, though I think there is one that is one letter
shorter than that and is still a comprehensible English sentence using
only actual English words (no Welsh!). There are some as short as 26,
but they cheat with abbreviations.

Mr Jock, TV quiz PhD, bags few lynx

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Lewis

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One, it uses Welsh. Two, it makes no sense. Three, vext is suspicious as
well.

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full of everybody".'

M Mn

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RH Draney

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A couple of my favorites, for the purpose to exercising fonts and
testing keyboards:

Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz.
Pack my box with five dozen liquor jugs.

Yes, they repeat some or all of the vowels, but it's important to move
your vowels regularly or you can get consonated....

Other well-known test sentences, not necessarily pangramic, but
considered useful in their respective contexts:

Amaranth sasesusos Oronoco initiation secedes Uruguay Philadelphia.
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit.

....r

Kerr-Mudd,John

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 03:42:20 GMT, Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me>
wrote:

> In message <7aeb06db-191a-4c8f...@googlegroups.com>
> Muhammad Habib <armana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> sentence using all 26 letters only once.
>
> What about them?
>
>> The quick brown fox
>> Jumps over the lazy dog
>
> That is probably the most famous, but also one of the longest pangrams
> out there.
>
> Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow
>
> Considerably shorter, though I think there is one that is one letter
> shorter than that and is still a comprehensible English sentence using
> only actual English words (no Welsh!). There are some as short as 26,
> but they cheat with abbreviations.

I think 'cwm' is a perfectly acceptable English geology term.

Cirque
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Cwm (landform))

>
> Mr Jock, TV quiz PhD, bags few lynx
>

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Lewis

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In message <XnsAC4565DD31...@144.76.35.198> Kerr-Mudd,John <nots...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 03:42:20 GMT, Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me>
> wrote:

>> In message <7aeb06db-191a-4c8f...@googlegroups.com>
>> Muhammad Habib <armana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> sentence using all 26 letters only once.
>>
>> What about them?
>>
>>> The quick brown fox
>>> Jumps over the lazy dog
>>
>> That is probably the most famous, but also one of the longest pangrams
>> out there.
>>
>> Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow
>>
>> Considerably shorter, though I think there is one that is one letter
>> shorter than that and is still a comprehensible English sentence using
>> only actual English words (no Welsh!). There are some as short as 26,
>> but they cheat with abbreviations.

> I think 'cwm' is a perfectly acceptable English geology term.

I don't. It is jargon at best and only commonly used, if one can say
commonly, in proper nouns of places in Wales. Is it valid in Scrabble? I
believe it is. Is it taking a foreign word that nearly no one will
recognize as a way to cheat? Yes it is.

My father used to make these up as a hobby, but was never able to come
up with one under 28 letters (or perhaps 29?) that he considered valid;
he would have rejected abbreviations for sure, but I cannot guess what
his opinion of cwm would be.

I do not consider the Scrabble list to have any relationship to anything
outside playing tournament Scrabble.

We still play by the rules we used when I was a child, a pre-chosen
reference dictionary and if challenged you had to provide a definition
of the word that was at least in the right ball park as the word.

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On 2020-09-27 09:00:48 +0000, Kerr-Mudd,John said:

> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 03:42:20 GMT, Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me>
> wrote:
>
>> In message <7aeb06db-191a-4c8f...@googlegroups.com>
>> Muhammad Habib <armana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> sentence using all 26 letters only once.
>>
>> What about them?
>>
>>> The quick brown fox
>>> Jumps over the lazy dog
>>
>> That is probably the most famous, but also one of the longest pangrams
>> out there.
>>
>> Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow
>>
>> Considerably shorter, though I think there is one that is one letter
>> shorter than that and is still a comprehensible English sentence using
>> only actual English words (no Welsh!). There are some as short as 26,
>> but they cheat with abbreviations.
>
> I think 'cwm' is a perfectly acceptable English geology term.

Yes. At least since 1953 it has been a widely understood English word.

>
> Cirque
> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
> (Redirected from Cwm (landform))
>
>>
>> Mr Jock, TV quiz PhD, bags few lynx

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Peter T. Daniels

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When I quoted it in my book -- alongside the Iroha poem ("alphabetical"
order in Japanese) and the sentence that gives the Javanese letter
order, I said, "It even seems to have something to do with writing!"

(Lewis omitted the hyphen, which helps a bit.)

Ken Blake

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Go back to school and retake a class in arithmatic.

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musika

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Go back to school and retake a class in speellinng.

Skitt rules KO!

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UK

Ken Blake

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LOL! No, I should take a course in typing (which I never have had). My
spelling is usually very good, but my typing is terrible. I usually
proofread before sending a message, and I catch most of my typos, but I
sometimes miss them.

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Janet

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In article <7aeb06db-191a-4c8f...@googlegroups.com>,
armana...@gmail.com says...

>
> sentence using all 26 letters only once.
>
> The quick brown fox
> Jumps over the lazy dog

O no no no

Janet

charles

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In article <MPG.39dad0d41...@news.individual.net>,

and the the

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

spains...@gmail.com

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On Monday, October 19, 1998 at 8:00:00 AM UTC+1, Akureyri wrote:
> In earlier posts there was some discussion about the word "cwm" , a mountain
> climbing term most commonly heard in discussions about Mt. Everest. It reminded
> me of the challenge to write one correct and comprehensible English sentence
> using each of the 26 letters of the alphabet, but only use each letter once.
> Words such as "cwm" and "lynch" and "lynx" are often used in such attempts.
> Some people have written sentences that they claim to be winners, but these
> sentences take such a stretch on the meanings of some of the words that no one
> is really very impressed. The last I heard was that the general consensus was
> that it has not been done yet. So Rushtown or one of the Bobbettes or one of
> you other people in this newsgroup who think you are so smart (with some
> justification) see how well you can do and post it.

Cwm is normal in BRE We can cope with dialect.

Sam Plusnet

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On 27-Sep-20 10:18, Lewis wrote:
> In message <XnsAC4565DD31...@144.76.35.198> Kerr-Mudd,John <nots...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 03:42:20 GMT, Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me>
>> wrote:
>
>>> In message <7aeb06db-191a-4c8f...@googlegroups.com>
>>> Muhammad Habib <armana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> sentence using all 26 letters only once.
>>>
>>> What about them?
>>>
>>>> The quick brown fox
>>>> Jumps over the lazy dog
>>>
>>> That is probably the most famous, but also one of the longest pangrams
>>> out there.
>>>
>>> Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow
>>>
>>> Considerably shorter, though I think there is one that is one letter
>>> shorter than that and is still a comprehensible English sentence using
>>> only actual English words (no Welsh!). There are some as short as 26,
>>> but they cheat with abbreviations.
>
>> I think 'cwm' is a perfectly acceptable English geology term.
>
> I don't. It is jargon at best and only commonly used, if one can say
> commonly, in proper nouns of places in Wales. Is it valid in Scrabble? I
> believe it is. Is it taking a foreign word that nearly no one will
> recognize as a way to cheat? Yes it is.
>

Wait! You're objecting to the use of "foreign" words... in English?

--
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“The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that
English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow
words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways
to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.”

Peter Young

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<gin>

Peter.

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RH Draney

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This sentence has thirty-one letters.
"This sentence" has twelve letters.

....r

Peter Duncanson [BrE]

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 20:22:30 +0100, Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:

>On 27-Sep-20 10:18, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <XnsAC4565DD31...@144.76.35.198> Kerr-Mudd,John <nots...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 03:42:20 GMT, Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> In message <7aeb06db-191a-4c8f...@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Muhammad Habib <armana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> sentence using all 26 letters only once.
>>>>
>>>> What about them?
>>>>
>>>>> The quick brown fox
>>>>> Jumps over the lazy dog
>>>>
>>>> That is probably the most famous, but also one of the longest pangrams
>>>> out there.
>>>>
>>>> Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow
>>>>
>>>> Considerably shorter, though I think there is one that is one letter
>>>> shorter than that and is still a comprehensible English sentence using
>>>> only actual English words (no Welsh!). There are some as short as 26,
>>>> but they cheat with abbreviations.
>>
>>> I think 'cwm' is a perfectly acceptable English geology term.
>>
>> I don't. It is jargon at best and only commonly used, if one can say
>> commonly, in proper nouns of places in Wales. Is it valid in Scrabble? I
>> believe it is. Is it taking a foreign word that nearly no one will
>> recognize as a way to cheat? Yes it is.
>>
>
>Wait! You're objecting to the use of "foreign" words... in English?

Neither in Wales nor England is the Western Cwm:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Cwm

The Western Cwm (/ku?m/) is a broad, flat, gently undulating glacial
valley basin terminating at the foot of the Lhotse Face of Mount
Everest. It was named by George Mallory when he saw it in 1921 as
part of the British Reconnaissance Expedition that was the first to
explore the upper sections of Everest, searching for routes for
future summit attempts.

Seen from above by a Google bird with a camera:
https://goo.gl/maps/oxJ6bXNwF8ZJzWeD8

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

musika

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On 27/09/2020 21:46, Peter Young wrote:
> On 27 Sep 2020 musika <mUs...@NOSPAMexcite.com> wrote:
>
>> On 27/09/2020 16:19, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On 9/26/2020 10:42 AM, Muhammad Habib wrote:
>>>> sentence using all 26 letters only once.
>>>>
>>>> The quick brown fox
>>>> Jumps over the lazy dog
>>>
>>>
>>> Go back to school and retake a class in arithmatic.
>>>
>> Go back to school and retake a class in speellinng.
>
>> Skitt rules KO!
>
> <gin>
>

I prefer <bandy>

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Sam Plusnet

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Sep 27, 2020, 8:52:15 PM9/27/20

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Let us eig(rum)ht.

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Peter Moylan

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Sep 27, 2020, 9:36:34 PM9/27/20

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On 27/09/20 13:44, Lewis wrote:
> In message <XnsAC44CF6F5A...@144.76.35.198> Kerr-Mudd,John <nots...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Sep 2020 18:31:01 GMT, musika <mUs...@NOSPAMexcite.com> wrote:
>
>>> On 26/09/2020 18:56, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>> On 26-Sep-20 18:42, Muhammad Habib wrote:
>>>>> sentence using all 26 letters only once.
>>>>>
>>>>> The quick brown fox
>>>>> Jumps over the lazy dog
>>>>>
>>>> Right... About those three "o"s & two "u"s and...
>>>>
>>> Or even the four "o"s and two "the"s...
>>>
>> There is one on the internest somewhere; but it's quite contrived.
>
>> Let's try google, shall we?
>
>> "Cwm fjord bank glyphs vext quiz."
>
> One, it uses Welsh. Two, it makes no sense. Three, vext is suspicious as
> well.

If you're looking at the words' origins, you have

Welsh Norwegian Italian Greek Latin Unknown

Quite a mixture. But 100% European, it seems.

Lewis

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Sep 27, 2020, 10:07:43 PM9/27/20

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In message <WD5cH.3918$52I...@fx36.am4> Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
> On 27-Sep-20 10:18, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <XnsAC4565DD31...@144.76.35.198> Kerr-Mudd,John <nots...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 03:42:20 GMT, Lewis <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> In message <7aeb06db-191a-4c8f...@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Muhammad Habib <armana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> sentence using all 26 letters only once.
>>>>
>>>> What about them?
>>>>
>>>>> The quick brown fox
>>>>> Jumps over the lazy dog
>>>>
>>>> That is probably the most famous, but also one of the longest pangrams
>>>> out there.
>>>>
>>>> Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow
>>>>
>>>> Considerably shorter, though I think there is one that is one letter
>>>> shorter than that and is still a comprehensible English sentence using
>>>> only actual English words (no Welsh!). There are some as short as 26,
>>>> but they cheat with abbreviations.
>>
>>> I think 'cwm' is a perfectly acceptable English geology term.
>>
>> I don't. It is jargon at best and only commonly used, if one can say
>> commonly, in proper nouns of places in Wales. Is it valid in Scrabble? I
>> believe it is. Is it taking a foreign word that nearly no one will
>> recognize as a way to cheat? Yes it is.
>>

> Wait! You're objecting to the use of "foreign" words... in English?

I am objecting to a word I consider primarily foreign in a sentence
attempting to construct a pangram of the English letters.

Perhaps the word is more common in BrE than it is here. I can say I have
never heard it in speech and outside this thread have seen it in print
only a single-digit number of times, and a low single-digit number of
times at that.

"aalii" an "aa" are similar words in that class of borrow for the sake
of jargon. You can find both in LARGE dictionaries, but claimed they are
normal English words is a bit far for my taste.

That said, aalii is more defensible that aa.

I feel much the same about xu. A valid Scrabble word, but given it is a
unit of currency in a foreign language, I don't consider it *really*
English. It's a quick way to win a game of hangman though; and ensure no
one ever plays hangman with you again.

(so, win-win, to my mind).

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Sep 28, 2020, 5:14:58 AM9/28/20

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Is this a portent of a punkass-cade? I'll drink to that!

Kerr-Mudd,John

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Sep 28, 2020, 5:21:35 AM9/28/20

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I was given to understand; (possibly by QI the TV show, so room for
doubt) that 'quiz' was 'invented' by an Irishman to win a bet.
Ah a well-known myth:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiz#Etymology

Peter Moylan

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Sep 28, 2020, 9:22:21 AM9/28/20

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That web page glosses over the fact the noun "quiz" originally referred
to an odd person. (And that, I think, is the meaning intended in the
pangram.) All other noun senses come from the verb, which appeared
almost a century later, and which apparently comes from Latin "qui es?".
Except for one sentence, that Wikipedia page is all about the nouns
derived from the verb.

It's the "odd person" meaning (1782) whose origin appears to be unknown.

CDB

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Sep 28, 2020, 1:05:29 PM9/28/20

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On 9/28/2020 9:22 AM, Peter Moylan wrote:
> Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:

[typing practice]

>> I was given to understand; (possibly by QI the TV show, so room
>> for doubt) that 'quiz' was 'invented' by an Irishman to win a bet.
>> Ah a well-known myth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiz#Etymology

> That web page glosses over the fact the noun "quiz" originally
> referred to an odd person. (And that, I think, is the meaning
> intended in the pangram.) All other noun senses come from the verb,
> which appeared almost a century later, and which apparently comes
> from Latin "qui es?". Except for one sentence, that Wikipedia page is
> all about the nouns derived from the verb.

Perhaps more likely from the interrogative pronoun "quis" ("who?").

Sam Plusnet

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Sep 28, 2020, 1:52:09 PM9/28/20

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Milk? From a a(rum)nt?

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